Sampling of PTP pages with pornography to promote

[TexasBriarRose]

Greetings To All!

Heres the report for those who care or even if you don't

March 26 - World TrafficManager - 1 out of 9 email links - removed member name cashhi page has the zango strip.
removed member name payingcash page has different zango sleaze on a page that seems to be shared with removed member name.

March 28 - Again using Orangebizs mailouts for sampling out of 88 pages

removed member name Cashhi page offers us some mud wrestling girls, courtesy of Zango.

removed member name Cashhi also offer us this informative little bit of entertainment.

removed member name Cash-hi.page offers us a chance to peek in on a school girl pajama party and also greets us on the report abuse page with a large version of female scenery.

removed member name Cashhi invites us to the mud party and to view the "Jessica Simpson Jiggly" as well as the usual butts and breasts shots.

removed member name Cashhi reinvites us to that mud fight and shows the b&b strip along the side

removed member name Cashhi has the b&b strip along one side.

removed member name Cashhi shows the b&b strip.

removed member name Cashhi shows the b&b strip along side page.

removed member name Cashi reinvites us to the pajama party.



Are we getting the picture on Cashhi yet?


removed member name cosplaymailsgives us a "hot catfight" on top and the "Jessica Simpson Jiggly" CXP ad on bottom.

removed member nameZGmails has the same three strips along both sides of page and across the top and ZGmails greets us on the report abuse page with more of the same.

removed member name ivymails shows us a SHAKING strip of butts and breasts. Oh and that popup - Are you SURE you want to navigate away from this shot of b&b in your face? Press ok to continue or cancel to stay on this page.

. removed member name xray-cash.com has somewhat new - " Are You Looking For Sex Without Commitment?" Right up top, Folks!

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Here's the good news - Observed ads have apparently been removed from these pages -

March 25 - Return visit to removed member name Donkeymails shows observed Zango ad is gone! Thank You !

March 28 - Rozebizs joins the club today adminptp sends us multiple pages with multiple repeats of Zango on each page AND a greeting of female body parts on the reportabuse page Out of ten pages sent out only one did not have the Zango ads. Admin responded promptly to contact about the issue and is working on removing all he can find. Thank You, Yao!!!!

removed member nameallmymoneyforyou Thank You!

removed member name xraycash Thank You!!

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Something to think about, if you care to -

Real world advertising agencies that are taken seriously have nothing to do with this kind of garbage. They have an image to maintain and that image is how they get the big money clients. The real/big money clients, the ones ptp/ptr would LIKE to have, are not going to seriously consider ptp/ptr for advertising for the simple fact that ptp/ptr image doesn't look at all professional with mostly naked women hanging out all over the place, unless they are wanting to advertise adult book stores and strip clubs.
It could be suggested that it is time that the ptp/ptr advertising community start thinking a bit more more like the real life advertising world if you really want the real/big money clients. If it is a game, hobby or simple amusement, then I guess it doesn't matter what kind of image your site has, although, I have to wonder why those mentioned would even try to appear concerned about scammers.
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Disclaimer: Sex is good in its own place and time. Sex pushed in front of children and people that didn't ask for nor want it is not.
If you choose allow that kind of content on your site pages, please give visible notice so others can also choose for themselves.
Thank You!

[wagdoll]

Can I ask again about the point of the referral IDs being listed, are they being singled out because that's what it sounded like you were saying in your last thread?

Also you seem to have xray cash on both lists. Is that because of the two different pages they have, or is one xrayemails?

BTW cosplay also had 0 iframes on their PTP page last time I looked at it.

[TexasBriarRose]

Yes, Wagdoll, you may ask me anything you like, provided it's done in a pm because I am through debating. You do an awesome job of walking the middle of the road and I do admire your patience with people that want to do nothing but play word games.
Some site owners just throw up their hands and say it's not their problem or whine and say they can't stop it and so do the promoters. Those names are there for ANYONE to see, Wagdoll, along with the sleaze THEY permit to be seen with their names. I am not posting confidential information here. I have screen shots of the pages and I assure you I am NOT smart enough to fake those pages nor DO I HAVE TO. I repeat it is there for all to see. You are smart enough to know that.
Somebody's going to figure it out one way or another and somebody is going to take some RESPONSIBILITY for it and getting it off these pages.
I haven't received any messages from any of the forum admin about my posts and I don't think I will, because it is a valid issue. I am simply the only one brave enough to keep making noise about it.
As I said, anyone with something productive can pm me and I will discuss my views with them. Anyone looking to play word games with me had best leave me alone because I will not play them just to be polite anymore
Have a great weekend all!

[wagdoll]

I know you don't have to fake anything here, and I know you're not lying because I have seen the same or similar banners around. I know there are other people who share your views and I do respect that you are putting your money where your mouth is on this issue.

I'm sorry you're not willing to discuss this in the open forum. There's a lot of people who probably still don't understand how PTP pages work. IMO those members are no more responsible than any of the other members promoting those pages, it could have been any name on those pages and I don't think anyone should be stigmatised by it just because they were the ones you happened to click on. Everyone promoting those pages affected is promoting the same content, it might not look the same to someone in one country as it looks to someone in another country. The content doesn't change according to the refid on the page and it's not like those members have put those banners on there themselves.

[SAS-Rod]

I does NOT matter who's referral ID is connected to the end of the page. This could apply to ANYONE (and EVERYONE) that promotes the page. This is solely the responsibility of the OWNER of the site.

TexasBriarRose, I fully support your actions when reporting a page about the site. When you connect the username and even single them out (like you have with cashi), sorry, I am out. I won't support those actions.

And ... this IS open for debate (good and bad) because you are posting it in open forum. You can't simply post in threads and then tell others to PM you if they want to debate. Besides, how else are you going to further your cause if you don't publicly get out your message? Debates can be a good thing and may "persuade" others to agree with you. Putting the gesture of "talk to the hand" toward anyone who dares disagree with you without debating will only put off even your strongest supporters.

Please take this into consideration. When others jumped on you last time, did not a few of us come back and take up the support with you and debate even if you didn't want to?

[sandyjones]

I can't believe you would start what probably is a very worthwhile cause against porn in sites, and then muck it up by posting innocent members names. How would you feel if you sent out a link for a site you belong to and someone sent your name as a promoter of porn when you had nothing to do with what shows up on the page. Shame on you!!
And then say you will not debate it or play word games, what do you think you have done with these members names. You are calling witch like they did ages ago when they burned innocents at the stake. And then won't even debate it.. and humbug
I hope the mods will remove the members names as it is totally unfair to them as members. You got a problem with a site take it up with the site, heck take it up with the advertisers who use this stuff on the ads they send to the owners. Remember a naked bottom to you may be porn but to someone else it is nothing more than a naked bottom. It is all in what the mind conceives it as...in some countries showing a womans hair is bad. Maybe you need a better grip on reality. I don't like porn either, but unless I see out right porn, I just click and move on. Maybe it is time you got out of ptr all together. Unless you want to keep your crusade fair and not call out innocent members. Like I said keep your cause worthwhile and don't fling accusations at the members. And for pity sake don't refuse to "debate" it!

[TexasBriarRose]

This is the one time I will attempt to explain my actions. If you don't get it now, you never will.

First off It is not a violation of privacy for me to list member names, They are there for everyone to see along side the PORNOGRAPY they ALLOW to be shown with their names. I am pointing out public information. In the USA it's tied to our right to free speech and it is NOT ILLEGAL.
Do I have to put that in 30 pt type to make Ya'll understand that?! If you can't, then it's not my problem. I WILL file a complaint with Rob if my posts are edited again for that reason.


I put the matter up for debate several weeks ago and anyone can see the kind of responses I got. Where were you then, Sandy Jones, I did NOT see your two cents on that one. When someone has some thing productive to post, I will communicate.

I did not check any options marked adult on any of the programs I belong to. I did not ask to see this trash. Why should I or anyone else that does not want to look at female breasts and butts have to be forced to do so? I am not a lesbian, this trash does not get me off as it does you men.

NO ONE wants to take responsibility for this crap. Program owners either think it's none of their business, whine that they can't do anything or some few actually do something. The site members can't change it? Oh yeah they can.
Change does not happen till someone gets mad or embarrassed enough to make it happen. I guess living in the USA makes me more aware of what can be done when people choose to get together on an issue as well as what will happen if people do not.

I am a parent
I am the mother of two females. Garbage like this has been proven to be damaging to the female self image and they encourage stereotypes. I want my daughters and every other female alive to be able to be happy with themselves, no matter what their looks and understand that their bodies are not all there is to them, as some males are encouraged to think.

I am a grandmother
I do not want my grandson or any child exposed to that crap period.

And again I will state -
Sex in it's own place in time is good. Sex pushed in front of children and people that neither want nor asked for it is not.

[TexasBriarRose]

A debate is an objective, informed discussion intended to persuade. I did attempt to open a debate. It went no where and I was accused of making threats on top of it.

I will grant that I am not as objective as I could be, but, if one will read all that I am writing, I am also trying to be fair.
I am attempting to inform people of a valid issue. I am posting facts, not allegations, insinuations or personal attacks. There is nothing to read between the lines because I am implying nothing.
What I am getting in response, for the most part is middle of the road political correctness and deliberate misunderstanding, probably because I am not timidly tiptoing around the issue and asking permission to post something that is already all over the internet. Yes, I am being obnoxious about it, I freely admit it. The only way to get something changed is to get in peoples face about it and that's a sad fact about the world today. If you do notagree, that is your right. Just because the way I am going about it is not the way you would does not mean that I am wrong.

Privacy? Give Me A Break!! On many of these pages, the members name is right beside the breasts and butts shots.
Does anyone bother to look and see what exactly it is that being shown right beside their names? I sure would. The privacy objection is irrelevant in this issue to anyone of average intelligence.

Now, if anyone has a better idea to fix this situation, I am open. If you are going to willfully misunderstand my words because you do not like the way I am going about this, then you are nothing but part of the problem.

For anyone that cares to read open mindedly, I am also posting the names of people/sites that are getting rid of the sleaze. I spent several hours using the report abuse links on every page I found with the garbage on it. Two
program owners got back to me and their names have been posted as trying to fix the problem.

Thus ends TexasBriarroses part in this "debate". You can be part of the problem or you can be part of the solution. it is totally up to you.

[sophieca]

Originally Posted by TexasBriarRose

Privacy? Give Me A Break!! On many of these pages, the members name is right beside the breasts and butts shots.
Does anyone bother to look and see what exactly it is that being shown right beside their names? I sure would. The privacy objection is irrelevant in this issue to anyone of average intelligence.

Hi,

Sorry for snipping your post but we tried to explain to you here and at GPF that what you see next to the members name might be different of what the member himself sees because of geographical targetting or because the banners rotate and you might see one they don't see.

It is the owner of the site who puts the banner there, not the member, he has no control over it and posting the name of the members blaming them when they might even not be aware of the problem is not right.

If members see here that a site has porn on their PTP, they might choose to not advertise that PTP but not everyone reads every forum and therefore people might be promoting it in total good faith.

Sophie

[Merlin2307]

TexasBriarRose,I support your effort in this cause but I feel your abrasive tone is only turning people against you than for you. If Sophieca is correct then your problem is not with the people doing the page promoting,it is with the PO's who decide to run the stuff. You also need to be aware that different people have different views about this stuff and I am not talking about guys getting off on this stuff,I took some offense to that remark. There are some people who can look at a naked body and see art while another sees porn. I made the only suggestion that I see would make everyone happy being that it be classified as mature stuff and each member being given the choice of viewing something like this. IMO if I were to advertise this stuff I would rather have 1000 people looking at it and paying attention and buying what I was promoting than 5000 looking at it just for the pennies and letting a time run out and not pay attention to it.Your point can be gotten across without the 30 point type,multiple threads or anything like that. Yes,porn in PTP is becoming a major problem,but if we don't work together to solve the problem,your shouting goes on deaf ears. As always....JMO....Merlin

[pietro]

Originally Posted by TexasBriarRose

This is the one time I will attempt to explain my actions. If you don't get it now, you never will.

First off It is not a violation of privacy for me to list member names, They are there for everyone to see along side the PORNOGRAPY they ALLOW to be shown with their names. I am pointing out public information. In the USA it's tied to our right to free speech and it is NOT ILLEGAL.
Do I have to put that in 30 pt type to make Ya'll understand that?! If you can't, then it's not my problem. I WILL file a complaint with Rob if my posts are edited again for that reason.

I'm willing to agree that it might not be a violation of privacy to some. However it IS a direct violation of the forum rule #2 found here

2. Comments meant to incite, embarrass or ridicule another member, including personal attacks;

Since some of the member names you posted ARE members of this forum I edited your post and will continue to edit the member names in any future posts you may make.

I would also suggest you NOT put your words in 30pt type as I will edit that as well.

If you wish to complain to Rob please do so. I'll be more than happy to provide him with my side of the story as well.

Pietro
Moderator

[pietro]

I would also like to add to this that if you truly consider these ads to be pornography your best option would be to report the site that BUILDS the ads (not the one that DISPLAYS them OR the member who has created a page with the ad on it) to the proper federal agency.

As has been stated pornography is in the eyes of the beholder so why not let the official agencies deal with it? There is very little those of us here can do to stop the ads and, short of embarrassing the member who has the service on their page, your actions won't stop them either. Most people have proven that money is a far more persuasive motivator than the concerns of others so it's highly unlikely most of the people who have these links on their pages are going to give up their a) right to choose what they decide to put on a page and b) the money they make for that link to satisfy any of us or to prevent the embarrassment you might bring them on one forum in the WWW.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here but the actions you have taken and the refusal to even consider that others have a right to an opinion other than yours is not helping your cause.

You believe because you didn't get 100% agreement with your "debate" topic means it "It went no where", I submit to you that it was your own choice of words and the display of those words that prevented a debate from happening.

Many people feel that the large font you choose to use does not get the point across, rather it seems to be trying to shout down the opposition. That is not what a "debate" is about.

As the father of several and the grandfather of many and soon to be great grandfather of at least one, I don't care to have those ads on my computer screen either. However, I choose to go about showing my displeasure in a more organized and logical manner. I report the ads to the owner of the site with the request that they handle the problem if possible. If not, well I guess my need for money doesn't outweigh my need to allow others their freedom of choice.

Pietro
member and human being

[wagdoll]

Originally Posted by TexasBriarRose

First off It is not a violation of privacy for me to list member names, They are there for everyone to see along side the PORNOGRAPY they ALLOW to be shown with their names. I am pointing out public information. In the USA it's tied to our right to free speech and it is NOT ILLEGAL.
Do I have to put that in 30 pt type to make Ya'll understand that?! If you can't, then it's not my problem. I WILL file a complaint with Rob if my posts are edited again for that reason.

NO ONE wants to take responsibility for this crap. Program owners either think it's none of their business, whine that they can't do anything or some few actually do something. The site members can't change it? Oh yeah they can.
Change does not happen till someone gets mad or embarrassed enough to make it happen.
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Instead of a debate on the images, your insistence to humiliate these tiny minority of members who are promoting affected PTP pages has taken over.

You are saying these individuals are allowing pornography alongside their names. At this point you are becoming offensive. They are just a handful of the members promoting these pages, they have no more control over the content than any other members of those sites. Like all the other members they have a choice of whether or not to promote the pages, many of those names have probably not been seeing the same content as you were and I don't think from a legal standpoint any of the ads currently on the popular PTP pages are actually pornography. I would say the most problematic ads are of an adult nature but more via what they are calling suggestiveness than outright, blatant pornography. For a number of people that is semantics, which is why I care about how they feel rather than playing semantics with it. I don't feel these are "family friendly" images, suitable for pre-watershed viewing. But when you come out making potentially libellous comments, I think you should take that into consideration.

When you click a PTP page, the same content is rotating on ALL member's pages. They don't have a say on it. It's not that member A's PTP page is affected, it's all of them affected, no matter what the name. So it might not be a privacy violation but it doesn't seem right to try to single out these few members when there are hundreds of others out there promoting too, possibly not knowing about these ads, and possibly not caring.

A few months ago, maybe longer, there was a rash of almost pornographic pages, absolute sexually provocative nudity - not meant for artful purposes, and regardless of whether it was, a gynacological lesson is not needed without an opt in. It took a few weeks to a month to get rid of it, and I don't think one member's name was posted, no accusations that it was the members' faults were posted. But it was still removed.

If you want others who feel the same way to join your voice, I would suggest you try to avoid humiliating them and blaming them for something out of their control if they don't even know about it. All anyone was asking was for you to not concentrate on the membernames but on the issue.

[wagdoll]

Now, if anyone has a better idea to fix this situation, I am open.

A total fix I don't have. Some constructive suggestions? Maybe we can come up with some ideas...

How about a thread in the forums you belong to where members can add their name, voluntarily, to a type of petition. The member could simply post or use a poll button to say how they feel and that the images bother them and how that affects how they view PTP pages (or other pages with the images on). You could ask people if they try to avoid clicking the pages where they find the banners most. You could ask them if they are adblocking or noscripting the images out so they can click the link without the offence - if they are mass blocking they will probably be blocking other banners and affecting the sites' bottom lines.

You could ask people if they think about this issue before signing up to a site to promote the PTP, if they do or would avoid promoting that PTP, at least at a site where the members aren't opting in knowing these type of banners will come up. You could ask members if they are avoiding ticking the PTP interest on sites they receive emails from - that affects sites if they accept ads and then fewer members want to click on them.

How about thoughts for POs. One 3rd party company, apparently if you write to them and ask for removal of "suggestive" ads that can help. I think one company has an adult filter, but the suggestive ads still come through that filter. You could ask POs to see if they can find a setting in their 3rd party accounts that will give them more control of the ads, maybe an approval or deny section? You could ask POs if they want to be notified if you see any of these ads on their pages, especially helpful if they are not in the USA or other countries where the ads are primarily targeted to.

POs also could think about how this situation has come about and if there is anything they can do about it from their side. Are they treating the 3rd party banners with respect, are they trying to present them well, are they trying to get quality traffic or just quantity of IPs? Maybe it is true that when you start creating banner farm pages with only intent to grab the IP as the banners load and no intention to convert that you wind up with the bottom of the barrel ads. Can that be changed, do some sites want to change that? What can they do to change it? What can POs do to get revenue and control and maybe a little more member interest instead of disgust from PTP pages?

If you could help one PO who wants to change, if you could help members have more choice, even if you couldn't get a total fix wouldn't that be something?

[spiffysky]

Originally Posted by wagdoll

POs also could think about how this situation has come about and if there is anything they can do about it from their side. Are they treating the 3rd party banners with respect, are they trying to present them well, are they trying to get quality traffic or just quantity of IPs? Maybe it is true that when you start creating banner farm pages with only intent to grab the IP as the banners load and no intention to convert that you wind up with the bottom of the barrel ads. Can that be changed, do some sites want to change that? What can they do to change it? What can POs do to get revenue and control and maybe a little more member interest instead of disgust from PTP pages?

If you could help one PO who wants to change, if you could help members have more choice, even if you couldn't get a total fix wouldn't that be something?

Hope you don't mind me chopping up your post, but i need to comment on this part.. Its not always from the program owners side.. As you know i own earnbymails.com and in the passed months i have cleaned up the site and even tried to put on the ptp page something different that someone might be interested in.. I have had 1 banner on there for over 2 months and not one click! So then i added a different one thought ok the audience didn't like that ad.. Same i have tried over 50 different banners and products and free stuff that no other ptp page or site has had.. And i haven't even received one click! Yes its trial and error but honestly how many people actually look at the ptp pages? I know i do and i actually click a link or two if it is something different.. But how many people actually take notice if it doesn't have the op's opinion of porn? The sites that have been mentioned got your attention did they not? Might not be for the right reasons but they got your attention..
So what i am saying is instead of working hard at looking at the negative side why aren't people clicking on different banners that they see on a ptp page that might interest them? because they don't care... the only time anyone cares is if it is *so called* porn..
This industry is going down the crap hole because po's and members don't work together to help each other and that is the problem if a member doesn't get paid for it then they won't do it..
I am not saying you wagdoll you have gave me some suggestions in the passed and i have used them at my sites and i thank you for that.. But what about all the other members here have they actually made the effort to support and give ideas, suggestions to clean programs?
Feel free to give constructive criticism