My full list of autosurf scams

[TheEasyMoney]

Here is it. A big list of scams, updated regulary.
If I missed something, please let me know.

[freespirit]

add ultra surf to the list!

Thanks for the list, I will keep an eye out for them

[govind]

4xsurf.
It is quite amusing that some irate member has HACKED this site!

[cupcake]

It's also quite amusing that you include scams in the autosurfing world.... aren't they all?

Cupcake

[irbobo]

"Aren't they all?"

no. No they aren't.
don't believe me? I use http://autohitsnow.com's autosurf, and it works. I trust the visits I get from their surfbar because it pops up verification once in awhile, gives me signups, and has surfbonuses you can click on (in fact you make more from those then surfing ; ) ) But as to quality... I don't think you can match clicksurfs... they're just that much better.

But not all autosurfs are a bad thing. I'm debating this issue in throwing one on my own traffic exchange http://givehits.com. If I do make an autosurf, it's gotta have a lot of autocheat technology built into it.. else its not gonna work, and no one will trust it.

[4dailyDotCom]

See my thread here:
http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11488

[TheEasyMoney]

Originally Posted by cupcake

It's also quite amusing that you include scams in the autosurfing world.... aren't they all?

Cupcake

Interesting question, I'd say...
Well, it depends on how you define scam, if the program is paying, it is not a scam, right? But if you think there is a program which is 100% risk-free, then there is no, of course. No program can run forever, but there are some which still pay and some which not - they are scams!

Thanks for all your advices I'll look on the suggested programs and consider adding them to the list too.

[cupcake]

Originally Posted by TheEasyMoney

Interesting question, I'd say...
Well, it depends on how you define scam, if the program is paying, it is not a scam, right?

Not really. Some ponzis have paid people for years; they're still illegal. I would consider them pretty big scams, ESPECIALLY given that people are investing lots of money into them. And you know what they say. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Cupcake

scam
n. A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
v. To deprive of by deceit.

Does anyone honestly think that x% daily is not fraudulent? Does anyone think that it's not depriving anyone of money, and that it's not deceitful?

[Partyman]

Originally Posted by Josh

scam
n. A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
v. To deprive of by deceit.

Does anyone honestly think that x% daily is not fraudulent? Does anyone think that it's not depriving anyone of money, and that it's not deceitful?

Some are some aren't! The secret is knowing which ones are which.
The entertainment is a big attraction to a lot of punters. A lot safer and a lot more fun than putting money in a slot machine or on a horse. You just have to know how to play the game.

Please supply links to prove your theory that all autosurfs are illegal swindles. Links to convictions or pending charges would do just fine.

Originally Posted by Partyman

Some are some aren't! The secret is knowing which ones are which.
The entertainment is a big attraction to a lot of punters. A lot safer and a lot more fun than putting money in a slot machine or on a horse. You just have to know how to play the game.

Please supply links to prove your theory that all autosurfs are illegal swindles. Links to convictions or pending charges would do just fine.

You are taking my words and twisting them around so far that it isn't even funny. Then again, I did start my morning off with a good chuckle. When did I say my supposed "all autosurfs are illegal swindles" theory?

What I remember saying is this:

Does anyone honestly think that x% daily is not fraudulent? Does anyone think that it's not depriving anyone of money, and that it's not deceitful?

Do you have any answer to the questions, or do you just want to dodge them by shifting the burden? Do you think something that yields 365% ROI in a year is sustainable? How about something that gives 200% ROI in 50 days?

Don't tell me that they invest in Forex, because you're not going to see returns of that magnitude in Forex. You'll lose nearly as often as you gain, maybe ending up with a few % profit in a month.

Don't tell me that they run businesses on the side. If a legal business could yield those returns, I'd be starting one of my own today!

As for the illegal part, I don't see how there are going to be any pending charges when 99% of these are not based in the US. They are illegal based on how they are run. Oddly enough, the very same attributes also make them scams. Go figure!

AnI posted a good link:

http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.htm

Take a moment to read it. By their very nature, these autosurfs which promise x%, whether it be hourly, daily, monthly, yearly, or over any duration, are Ponzi schemes. There is no denying this fact.

I'm not saying that gambling gives any better rewards. Your justification there is that wealth makes health, or in other words, illegal actions are justified because they return more money than legal actions do. Also, when you're gambling, whether you win or lose, only the funds that you put in and the those that others have lost before are on the line. It is not a requirement that more people lose after you before you are paid what you have won. Although the casinos do claim that you can win a lot of money, they don't say "You're guaranteed to make x%...but...oh! Have you read the terms that say our guarantee is null and void if not enough people play the slots after you do?" Regardless, I'm not saying that gambling is so wonderful, but that just goes to show how completely immoral and unregulated autosurf-for-cash-Ponzis are when they are worse than gambling is!

[TheEasyMoney]

I'd say the true answer goes like this:

1. Ponzi scheme (for those who don't know) - payouts are paid from new members investments, the money never invested anywhere and since no real investment can provide X% daily, most of the autosurfs are ponzis, but I said "most", not all of them. Those who are - scams, according to the above defenition.
2. Think of someone running a PONZI scheme, he want to get maximum investments, so he need to pay the first members and then (usually 3-4 month, but it depends on the "X") he have to close the "scheme" when he doesn't earn anymore.
3. According to the above, if you see a new program, which looks good ( no premade scripts, customer support, whois protection, good servers, and so on) you may invest with a very little degree of risk, knowing the program will be run at least for few more months.
4. Legal? - how can a ponzi scheme be legal? Of course not (in most of the developed countries at least, I wouldn't bet on the Pitcairn Islands LOL)
5. There are some exceptions:
TGT is backed by the PIN network and thefore it's not a ponzi,
dadndavesautosurf is not a ponzi,
Now as for HYIPs:
Feeder Fund - 100% NOT a ponzi scam, but a serious long term pool fund
As for the rest, I'm not sure.
6. Running a ponzi scheme is just too easy now, people are ready to give their last money when someone offers them 10% daily, a week after program closes and the admin earned 10-20 thousands. Wanna try? I could have done it easily by myself too, but my conscience doesn't allow me So I'm here to warn you instead.
7. And finaly what should you do to earn? I can tell you just to go to my site and read there, but I'll do a little more:
If you are planning to invest now - invest in 12daily immediately. I'm pretty sure they'll last for at least a month from now.
If you are seeking a long term invetment with a big money involved (at least few thousands) Invest in Feeder Fund and TGT

that's all for now, but I guess I've already told you too much

[cupcake]

Nah, I'd say the TRUE answer goes like this:

Autosurf investment sites, including the one in your sig, are ponzis. They take money from new investors to give to old ones. They are in an endless, illegal cycle until they fall down.

And THATS why they're illegal.

Cupcake

[TheEasyMoney]

Originally Posted by cupcake

Nah, I'd say the TRUE answer goes like this:

Autosurf investment sites, including the one in your sig, are ponzis. They take money from new investors to give to old ones. They are in an endless, illegal cycle until they fall down.

And THATS why they're illegal.

Cupcake

Most of it is true, but do you expect to get so high returns with legal programs? When you are investing in any of these programs (if you do at all) you know how it works, so it's your right to chose and the fact is that you CAN make money with it - that's the point!

In two words my point is that while the program pays it's not a scam.

P.S.: the program in my sig is ponzi too, but it's the best one currently

[cupcake]

Originally Posted by TheEasyMoney

Most of it is true, but do you expect to get so high returns with legal programs? When you are investing in any of these programs (if you do at all) you know how it works, so it's your right to chose and the fact is that you CAN make money with it - that's the point!

In two words my point is that while the program pays it's not a scam.

P.S.: the program in my sig is ponzi too, but it's the best one currently

First of all.. I don't care if something gives you an incredible return, if it's a ponzi I'm staying away. I don't want to participate in something illegal, I don't want to financially contribute to and promote a program which will run off with all of the latest member's money. Please remember that everyone in these programs is not as savvy as you, some could just have been seduced by the marketing, though it was legit and invested more than they can afford to. I have spoken with some of these members in other places and it's kind of sad how people have invested their children's college money, their savings, their retirement. But as long as you get paid, other people's kids can forego college.. right? Yippee for you if you invest what you can afford to lose, but there's a reason that many governments have made ponzis illegal: they're unsustainable in every aspect of the word.

Second, didn't you just say that the programs in your sig weren't ponzis?

Cupcake