Shalomptremails (( TO MR BOB PETERS))

[kokomorocks]

i,m one who is lost for words anymore on this site, i can,t understand what really happen, my goodness, i guess greed took over this site, another good site in a bad way, april gold, ays, annies, and so many more, when is this ever gonna stop, i really think ptr needs to be controled by higher ups, because with all the scams that has come and gone how far will theses low lifes go to scam people, it,s getting to the point where people will not do ptr, for the fear of being scammed, i really wanna say to all on this board i have got upset over shalom, i really am very sorry, i let this site over rule my better thought, i really thought they were a winner, because i had got a early cashout, but than bob took this wonderful program and is killing it, bob if you come in here and read this form which i bet you do, we your members who trusted you and shalom want to tell you bob we can,t understand how shalom has went from a profit as you proclaimed even within that last few weeks, to a site thats seems to be so far in debt, bob we as your members most from day one are very lost and hurt by how you could let this happen, we really want the truth, by not answering our emails no more tells us you don,t care about shalom or its members, bob you have no clue how hard people have worked to get shalom up where it was, bob did you know not to long ago shalom was the fasted and most talked about ptr on the web, bob we as your members would like answers to what happened to the ad money you got, since a lot of your members are psp members who has put money into stocks on shalom, bob we also wanna know what were you thinking when you put shalom together with a 777 payout, bob didn,t you see all the other scam sites out there like 80 euros and so many more that never paid, bob you even wrote us in a email and you told us all shalom was not gonna be another scam, well mr peters the way you changed things lately we are really wonder is shalom another SCAM? bob we want answers you owe us that much as much time that we give you we want the truth for once try to be honest can you? bob if you wanna make it in the ptr world you,ve gotta be honest or people will bash you, and if you choose to be another april gold or ays, than don,t go crying when you get bashed, you,ve made your bed now you,ve gotta lay in it........... :(

[koala72]

i,m one who is lost for words anymore on this site, i can,t understand what really happen, my goodness, i guess greed took over this site, another good site in a bad way, april gold, ays, annies, and so many more, when is this ever gonna stop, i really think ptr needs to be controled by higher ups, because with all the scams that has come and gone how far will theses low lifes go to scam people, it,s getting to the point where people will not do ptr, for the fear of being scammed, i really wanna say to all on this board i have got upset over shalom, i really am very sorry, i let this site over rule my better thought, i really thought they were a winner, because i had got a early cashout, but than bob took this wonderful program and is killing it, bob if you come in here and read this form which i bet you do, we your members who trusted you and shalom want to tell you bob we can,t understand how shalom has went from a profit as you proclaimed even within that last few weeks, to a site thats seems to be so far in debt, bob we as your members most from day one are very lost and hurt by how you could let this happen, we really want the truth, by not answering our emails no more tells us you don,t care about shalom or its members, bob you have no clue how hard people have worked to get shalom up where it was, bob did you know not to long ago shalom was the fasted and most talked about ptr on the web, bob we as your members would like answers to what happened to the ad money you got, since a lot of your members are psp members who has put money into stocks on shalom, bob we also wanna know what were you thinking when you put shalom together with a 777 payout, bob didn,t you see all the other scam sites out there like 80 euros and so many more that never paid, bob you even wrote us in a email and you told us all shalom was not gonna be another scam, well mr peters the way you changed things lately we are really wonder is shalom another SCAM? bob we want answers you owe us that much as much time that we give you we want the truth for once try to be honest can you? bob if you wanna make it in the ptr world you,ve gotta be honest or people will bash you, and if you choose to be another april gold or ays, than don,t go crying when you get bashed, you,ve made your bed now you,ve gotta lay in it........... :(
all i can say is better luck in other ptrs

[lil crusader]

Even though Shalom did appear for awhile to be one high payout site that really did pay - even in spite of undersold ads - I think the owner was probably counting on fewer people asking for payout than really did and it's ended up biting him in the rear.

I think Shalom is living proof that any PO who runs a program under the idea that most people will never reach payout is living on borrowed time.

[barcoded]

DUDE! You've got like 50 commas but what, 2 periods? :alien: Hurt my eyes

[lil crusader]

DUDE! You've got like 50 commas but what, 2 periods? :alien: Hurt my eyes

The punctuation may have been lousy, but he spoke the truth.

[kokomorocks]

DUDE! You've got like 50 commas but what, 2 periods? :alien: Hurt my eyes


Hey i may not be that good at writting stuff but i did tell the real facts all you did was blast me how childish. :baaa:

[Miguel Bahena]

lol.. this is funny in a way. But I haven't been on Shalom in a while. I just dropped out of any PTR programs..

I still participate in 4daily and 2daily.. but that's about it.

[koala72]

lol.. this is funny in a way. But I haven't been on Shalom in a while. I just dropped out of any PTR programs..

I still participate in 4daily and 2daily.. but that's about it.
ive done the same thing except i hate 2daily

[freebiesite]

Hi Kokomo..

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/search.php?searchid=101305&pp=25&page=2

look at your posts there..laughing at us naysayers when someone got paid a token payment, refusing to listen to reason

want the real answer? NOTHING went "wrong" with the program..it was just wrong from the start....the whole idea is flawed..do the math...it could never work..it was planned to rake in some bucks, then ?

programs like this pay a few people, they get peeps like you and others to praise them...and then they just dont pay....

Bob is laughing all the way to the bank I am sure...sorry to say it but....I told ya so many times and so did many others

[kokomorocks]

Hi Kokomo..

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/search.php?searchid=101305&pp=25&page=2

look at your posts there..laughing at us naysayers when someone got paid a token payment, refusing to listen to reason

want the real answer? NOTHING went "wrong" with the program..it was just wrong from the start....the whole idea is flawed..do the math...it could never work..it was planned to rake in some bucks, then ?

programs like this pay a few people, they get peeps like you and others to praise them...and then they just dont pay....

Bob is laughing all the way to the bank I am sure...sorry to say it but....I told ya so many times and so did many others


I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAY I TOLD YOU SO,best part is i never put one dime into it, you,ve gotta admit i did get to you people with the talk of shalom you all sucked right into it hook line and sinker, the jokes on you all, i never was a member of shalom i just wanted to see how foolish you people really was god it worked lol.thanks for the laughs........... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[lil crusader]

I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAY I TOLD YOU SO,best part is i never put one dime into it, you,ve gotta admit i did get to you people with the talk of shalom you all sucked right into it hook line and sinker, the jokes on you all, i never was a member of shalom i just wanted to see how foolish you people really was god it worked lol.thanks for the laughs........... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

And your point is......?

[freebiesite]

I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAY I TOLD YOU SO,best part is i never put one dime into it, you,ve gotta admit i did get to you people with the talk of shalom you all sucked right into it hook line and sinker, the jokes on you all, i never was a member of shalom i just wanted to see how foolish you people really was god it worked lol.thanks for the laughs........... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Well...that makes zero sense...you never fooled me, first of all I dont join any programs, and if I did, I am a smart woman who would never join a bubble gum piece of junk like shalom..

but....what does this new stance of yours say?? that you would deliberately sucker newbies on a forum into bad programs?? gee..
I dont think they should allow you in the downline builder, and I hope NO one here will join anything with you....to try to get people into a bad program would be cruel

to try to save face by claiming to have done so is just plain silly

really ..there is nothing admirable about your intentions or actions either way...pretty pathetic to act like that...sad..:(

[lil crusader]

And to think I actually complimented this guy for his post of a couple of days ago. Silly me -- I didn't realize he didn't mean a word of it.

Yep - he got me good.....for a minute there I thought he was somebody with some common sense who was trying to help others.

Guess the joke's on me. :cool:

[TonyTheTiger]

Sure looked to good to be true, and like they say, if it looks to good to be true, it usually is.
Now with all the new changes and alot of .7 cent (.007) mails, how the heck is anyone going to live long enough to ever see a $347 early payout. which will only get you $47 anyway, (I'll never figure that one out). That's 4957 clicks on 30 second .007 cent links, geeze.
I can't even think of reaching a $777 payout , not when it would take 111,000 clicks on .007 links.
Time to start lowering the timers and payout for real Bob.

[lil crusader]

Lowering payout is a good suggestion Tony, but unfortunately it's one that only a legit owner of a legit program would consider.

Good old "Bob Peters" (if that's even his real name) has more than proven that he doesn't fall in the legit owner category by lowering only the amounts he'll actually pay anyone, but not the amounts that must first be earned. (It's called stalling for time)

[roklafe]

Lowering payout is a good suggestion Tony, but unfortunately it's one that only a legit owner of a legit program would consider.

Good old "Bob Peters" (if that's even his real name) has more than proven that he doesn't fall in the legit owner category by lowering only the amounts he'll actually pay anyone, but not the amounts that must first be earned. (It's called stalling for time)

That IS his real name: you can check out the contact information on http://rpassociatesuk.com/aboutus.html
AND one of my downline members in the program who also lives in UK actually spoke to him on the phone several times. The name is NOT the point, though. How do any of you know that he is NOT considering lowering payout as we speak?

[Miguel Bahena]

kokomo... you are a TERRIBLE liar.

You know you were a member, don't even start with that BS. You're embarassed that you guy effed so now you're coming up with "haha i tricked you" crap. Seriously, that's 3rd grade stuff.

[kokomorocks]

kokomo... you are a TERRIBLE liar.

You know you were a member, don't even start with that BS. You're embarassed that you guy effed so now you're coming up with "haha i tricked you" crap. Seriously, that's 3rd grade stuff.

OK you guys got me lol. i,m sorry if i lied i,m just showing you how some people take everything i say to the top you gotta love it. yes i am a member but who cares anymore i,m like over shalom i write bob email never a reply even after he took my girlfriends account and took her money to uses as ads when she never cashed out for no ads so tell me here who,s being honest.

[roklafe]

OK you guys got me lol. i,m sorry if i lied i,m just showing you how some people take everything i say to the top you gotta love it. yes i am a member but who cares anymore i,m like over shalom i write bob email never a reply even after he took my girlfriends account and took her money to uses as ads when she never cashed out for no ads so tell me here who,s being honest.

I hope others on this forum will agree with me on the point that somebody who is not honest himself more or less forfeits the right to accuse anybody else of dishonesty. How is anybody to know now that the most recent statements made by kokomorocks are valid and true?

More importantly, I thought this was a discussion about the program and not about who told which lies. Personally, I've been with the program since January 5th and have been paid several times and can prove it to anybody who wants to see the proof. I agree, however, that the recent developments are ominous and that they were in some sense very predictable, yet, having put a lot of stake into the shares myself, I'm willing to give it another chance to work out and simply see what happens by the end of June.

[TypeGenie]

I've been a member for several months, but ever since the 70cent mails changed into 7cent shared mails (meaning 1cent advertisements) I've stopped clicking them. I guess I'm gonna use the $80 that I already earned to promote something. I'll never reach the 777 or 3something payout anyway.

[diamondeyes]

Wait a minute.........you have a girlfriend?

[roklafe]

For the record: I was wrong defending this program. If anybody here even considers joining it, please read this thread on another forum first.

http://www.gptforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=13410&st=135

[lil crusader]

Since the site seems to be gone (as many of us knew was inevitable), it looks like anyone else joining is a moot point now.

Thank God we've got one less doubletalking scammer around to prey on others' gullibility.

[roklafe]

Since the site seems to be gone (as many of us knew was inevitable), it looks like anyone else joining is a moot point now.

Thank God we've got one less doubletalking scammer around to prey on others' gullibility.
Yes, ShalomPTReMail is gone, but the same person owns other sites listed
http://www.rpassociatesuk.com/
He is also presumably a Christian minister which was in my reason for believing his words until now and which makes the whole story even more unethical.

[kokomorocks]

Yes, ShalomPTReMail is gone, but the same person owns other sites listed
http://www.rpassociatesuk.com/
He is also presumably a Christian minister which was in my reason for believing his words until now and which makes the whole story even more unethical.




But is he really gone????????


http://www.shalomptremail.com/pages/index.php?refid=

[roklafe]

But is he really gone????????
The PO I assume is alive and well, as for the ShalomPTReMail site, I certainly hope so. And even if it temporarily resurfaces, are you really planning on sticking around just to hear more promises from a person who now has an established record of breaking them?

[lil crusader]

I've seen messages like that before --- The sites never ever came back.

[freebiesite]

http://www.rpassociatesuk.com/

ugh....I really detest the phoney "christian" stuff all over the site, what a jerk....all his safelists, and other sites...

this guy is really a new low..maybe the "bible" stuff was there to lure in even more unsuspecting folks??

very sad...but really a lot of people don't listen..or dont want to listen..until it is too late...:( sad deal

[roklafe]

Could somebody please explain to me how he could have benefited from paying tens of thousands of $$$ at first? I'm confused - what would have been the purpose to set it up like that???!!!

http://www.rpassociatesuk.com/

ugh....I really detest the phoney "christian" stuff all over the site, what a jerk....all his safelists, and other sites...

this guy is really a new low..maybe the "bible" stuff was there to lure in even more unsuspecting folks??

very sad...but really a lot of people don't listen..or dont want to listen..until it is too late...:( sad deal

[koala72]

http://www.rpassociatesuk.com/

ugh....I really detest the phoney "christian" stuff all over the site, what a jerk....all his safelists, and other sites...

this guy is really a new low..maybe the "bible" stuff was there to lure in even more unsuspecting folks??

very sad...but really a lot of people don't listen..or dont want to listen..until it is too late...:( sad deal
lol that website is very very very sad

[lil crusader]

Could somebody please explain to me how he could have benefited from paying tens of thousands of $$$ at first? I'm confused - what would have been the purpose to set it up like that???!!!

First of all, nobody knows for sure exactly how much he paid out. Some of the worst junk sites claim to have paid out millions - and we all know that isn't true. The total paid out number can be manipulated AND it usually also includes every single redemption for ads ever made, along with actual cash paid. I have no doubt he paid out something in the beginning...after all, what better way was there for him to gain your trust (before he gained your money).

Second of all, whatever he may have paid out in the early days is far surpassed by what he took in from members for ad sales and all of those various other little "perks" he offered - none of which were free and all of which were money in his pocket.

Honest WMs don't suddenly claim to be cash poor, give excuses why they can't make payments any longer, and then disappear. This guy knew just what to do to get thousands to believe in him (and send him money). He's the lowest of the low.

[roklafe]

First of all, nobody knows for sure exactly how much he paid out. Some of the worst junk sites claim to have paid out millions - and we all know that isn't true. The total paid out number can be manipulated AND it usually also includes every single redemption for ads ever made, along with actual cash paid. I have no doubt he paid out something in the beginning...after all, what better way was there for him to gain your trust (before he gained your money).

Second of all, whatever he may have paid out in the early days is far surpassed by what he took in from members for ad sales and all of those various other little "perks" he offered - none of which were free and all of which were money in his pocket.

Honest WMs don't suddenly claim to be cash poor, give excuses why they can't make payments any longer, and then disappear. This guy knew just what to do to get thousands to believe in him (and send him money). He's the lowest of the low. Thank you for clarifying. I must admit this Christian minister story was what got me personally - I assumed that he was intentionally running a charity of some type to share the profits from other sites to the benefit of the PTR members (that was on the days when I thought it was intentional, most of the time I assumed it was just a mismanagement mistake). The PO is not to be blamed for my assumptions since he never actually said that (although, he did not deny it either), so I suppose I could be at this point called a complete idiot for making such assumptions, re-investing all of my own cashouts back into the program and heavily promoting it...
This would be a good illustration to the "Bar the imagination, and you will see the reality" advice - it's amazing how many rationalizations one can come up with in order to believe in best in people.

[lil crusader]

That's what made him better than most -- he did seem very genuine and I can see why it was easy for people to believe he was the real deal. That's why I think he's even lower than the people who open up such obvious junk sites. This guy didn't give you any reason NOT to trust him. If I hadn't been around for a few years and become kind of jaded (although I prefer to call it cautiously skeptical) I probably would have believed in him too.

This kind of thing happens to all of us -- just recently a lot of us who are "veterans" were totally caught off-guard when a WM most people thought the world of suddenly up and disappeared on us. This was someone I had once trusted and supported completely and I never ever thought she'd end up pulling a runner -- but she did.

Don't kick yourself too much for this -- just use it as a learning experience. :)

[roklafe]

That's what made him better than most -- he did seem very genuine and I can see why it was easy for people to believe he was the real deal. That's why I think he's even lower than the people who open up such obvious junk sites. This guy didn't give you any reason NOT to trust him. If I hadn't been around for a few years and become kind of jaded (although I prefer to call it cautiously skeptical) I probably would have believed in him too.

This kind of thing happens to all of us -- just recently a lot of us who are "veterans" were totally caught off-guard when a WM most people thought the world of suddenly up and disappeared on us. This was someone I had once trusted and supported completely and I never ever thought she'd end up pulling a runner -- but she did.

Don't kick yourself too much for this -- just use it as a learning experience. :) It takes a master scam artist to create such an elaborate and calculated illusion. One of the 'perks' for shareholders inside the program was a e-book 'David Blaine's Mega Magic: The Secrets of David Blaine Revealed'. I guess the honest and pious WM was trying to tell something to members already then ... or just having a good laugh at our expense.
I now read enough threads on GPF to know whom you are talking about. GPTR industry is well overdue for a set of common standards of conduct and clearly outlined rights for the members.

[TonyTheTiger]

Looks as if Mr he wants us to believe his name is Bob Peters must agree with every bad thing everyone has to say, because I don't see him defending his actions in any forum. Unfortunately he will probabbly think up another great name, like MR. PETER BOBS, while sitting on the porcelin bus and open up another site and try to sucker more people.

[Josh]

Looks as if Mr he wants us to believe his name is Bob Peters must agree with every bad thing everyone has to say, because I don't see him defending his actions in any forum. Unfortunately he will probabbly think up another great name, like MR. PETER BOBS, while sitting on the porcelin bus and open up another site and try to sucker more people.

He'll most likely be able to fool a soul or two, unless he haphazardly selects the name of Chad French. :laugh:

[TonyTheTiger]

Still no sign of " he wants everyone to think his name is BOB PETERS". Looks like he sank his TITANIC and took everyone's money and went on a world cruise.

[nessax]

This arrived yesterday. (Apologies if it has already been posted - I couldn't see it). I very sceptically signed up a while ago just to see what was going on with this program, so this is not really a surprise.

"FORCED TO CLOSE"

Hi Everyone

As you know, ShalomPTReMail.com has been offline for a while as I have been trying to work out how to keep it going. My deliberations have been delayed because of personal problems which I am sure you are not interested in.

Sadly, the only conclusion I have reached about ShalomPTReMail.com is to close it immediately. I realise that this is going to raise accusations of all kinds but I have no other option.

For the past seven months I have worked very long hours every day and invested a great deal of my own money - in fact I have run up very large debts which I have little hope of repaying.

I accept that I made mistakes and I underestimated the initial response and from day one struggled to handle the huge demands that came with it.

I also accept that I seriously underestimated how much cheating, credit card fraud, money laundering and hacking would affect the viability of the business. I have worked online for over 5 years and until now had never experienced so much cheating and fraud. This has resulted in very large losses that have become uncontrollable.

On top of these problems, the revised payment plan announced recently was received extremely negatively. The endless stream of abusive emails, although unpleasant, did not concern me too much because I have come to expect this type of thing on the internet where people can say and do things anonymously and without the need to justify themselves.

The real disappointment was the withdrawal of support from advertisers, who seeing the declining membership and hearing rumours and false accusations about me and the program, simply stopped advertising. With no advertising income there is no possible way I can continue without increasing debt which is already far too high.

This was the final 'straw' that broke ShalomPTReMail.com.

Thank you to those who have offered support and encouragement, it is good to know that there are some good people in the world.

Bob Peters

[TonyTheTiger]

Hello Bob,
I really don't think you did a good thing closing up shop about 3 weeks ago, without saying a word to your members, especially to your " SHAREHOLDERS" . SHAREHOLDERS have voting rights and we should have voted on the future of the program. If anything you should have let us know of your plans ahead of time, because alot of people lost money I would think buying " SHARES" and ads up to the day you decided to pull the plug. We had faith in you and supported you by buying ads and SHARES in your program, and this is what we got in return. Many of us including myself, worked your site feverishly to try to reach payout, and now we have nothing to show for our time. PTR goes 2 ways, members have to trust a program enough to sign up for it, and the webmaster has to show trust in to his members by following through on the scope and vision of the program. We trusted you by sending you money, I imagine it was alot of money, especially when you factor in the shares you sold. this money should have been used wisely to pay out the members, but instead greed might have taken over.

[0dofl]

Hello Bob,
I really don't think you did a good thing closing up shop about 3 weeks ago, without saying a word to your members, especially to your " SHAREHOLDERS" . SHAREHOLDERS have voting rights and we should have voted on the future of the program. If anything you should have let us know of your plans ahead of time, because alot of people lost money I would think buying " SHARES" and ads up to the day you decided to pull the plug. We had faith in you and supported you by buying ads and SHARES in your program, and this is what we got in return. Many of us including myself, worked your site feverishly to try to reach payout, and now we have nothing to show for our time. PTR goes 2 ways, members have to trust a program enough to sign up for it, and the webmaster has to show trust in to his members by following through on the scope and vision of the program. We trusted you by sending you money, I imagine it was alot of money, especially when you factor in the shares you sold. this money should have been used wisely to pay out the members, but instead greed might have taken over.Tony, I already reported this to PayPal. You may want to do the same, if you used PayPal, or to report to the payment processor that you used for purchasing. If you made the purchase within the last 30 days via PayPal, you might be able to receive a refund. Unfortunately, according to PayPal rules, the disputes for the trasanctions older that 30 days are not eligible for refund (as it was in my case where it was automatically flagged with deferred status), but if you enclose a note explaining the situation, it may urge PayPal to take a closer look at his account. If you used StormPay, I belive the refund policy is 45 days. I'm not sure if e-Gold offers such options, but it will be still useful if former 'shareholders' reported this to payment processors. Former 'shareholders' from UK may have a better luck in small claim courts, so if you are from UK, you may want to try this option in addition to reporting to a payment processor.

[Miguel Bahena]

OMG, would you people shut up?

Seriously, he had to close it down because it couldn't afford it. Would you rather him go into debt for the sake of everyone else? Seriously, just shut up about it. Would you keep a store open if you couldn't afford to pay for it? I think not.

"ZOMG HE HAD 2 SHT DOWN BCUZ HE CANT PAY!! SKAM SKAM SKAM FBI FBI SKAM PAYPAL BBQ"

[freebiesite]

OMG, would you people shut up?

Seriously, he had to close it down because it couldn't afford it. Would you rather him go into debt for the sake of everyone else? Seriously, just shut up about it. Would you keep a store open if you couldn't afford to pay for it? I think not.

"ZOMG HE HAD 2 SHT DOWN BCUZ HE CANT PAY!! SKAM SKAM SKAM FBI FBI SKAM PAYPAL BBQ"

Whaaaaaa....whaaaaaaa

what sort of idiot opens a "store" they "can't afford to pay" blah blah ??

whaaaaa....maybe YOU enjoy wasting time and money..others don't :)

seriously....think about it :)

[AnI4AnI]

Well Cheri, look on the bright side....if the bunch of us should ever decide to get together and think up some really cool, new way to rob people of their time and money, at least we can rest assured there will be an abundance of willing participants. The best thing about it is that the more crooked and bizarre we present ourselves, or our scheme, the more loyal our followers will be.

I think we should get started right away, just to fill the void.

Heck, we could have money pouring in while we let our faithful servants take the heat, then all we have to do is dump everything in a few months, move on and let the dust settle.

I hear there's dirt-cheap real estate at GPF where we'll be able to plug our little scam....then sit back and watch the soaps while the dollars roll in.

I have a friend who's next-door-neighbor's nephew used to know a guy who's father once needed a trial lawyer for some minor mishap so I'll find out if he can draw up the papers. If you could locate someone who has a personal Paypal account so we don't get charged fees and we can let them worry about taxes, that would be great and maybe Wil or Monio could look into getting some kind of referral structure we can later do away with, just to entice people to promote it in the beginning. Am hoping YIA will write up the Terms of Service.

:)

What do ya think?

[Miguel Bahena]

I don't think you understand the fact that he PAID people. Okay? Let me put this as clear as I can..

HE DID NOT ROB ANYONE.

HE PAID PEOPLE WHO EARNED THE PAYOUT MINIMUM.

Chances are you still won't get it because everyone's IQ seems to be below that of an average toddler.

[AnI4AnI]

Do you know anything about Ponzi schemes, Miguel? Ponzis pay people, too. That's how they get them to promote it....you could find out a lot about how they work by yourself, though.

Also, many of the worst scammers in PTR paid people, too. They just forgot to pay the rest of the people.







"Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain

[0dofl]

http://www.rpassociatesuk.com/

ugh....I really detest the phoney "christian" stuff all over the site, what a jerk....all his safelists, and other sites...

this guy is really a new low..maybe the "bible" stuff was there to lure in even more unsuspecting folks??

very sad...but really a lot of people don't listen..or dont want to listen..until it is too late...:( sad dealActually, I don't think it's all that phoney, he might have just messed up very badly with the plans. I remember checking sometime before, and sure enough, there is a lay minister named Bob Peters listed in that area. If anybody wants to find out more or file a complaint or whatever, here is the link to the site (there is even a picture of a real person somewhere on the site).

http://www.sonningparish.org.uk/contacts.htm

LOL I'm really leaving this time around, way too much time online can put everything into black and white. I'd rather read the new Harry Potter book and put everything into proper perspective. Cheers all.

[Miguel Bahena]

Do you know anything about Ponzi schemes, Miguel? Ponzis pay people, too. That's how they get them to promote it....you could find out a lot about how they work by yourself, though.

Also, many of the worst scammers in PTR paid people, too. They just forgot to pay the rest of the people.







"Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain

A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that involves paying returns to investors out of the money raised from subsequent investors, rather than from profits generated by any real business. A Ponzi scheme offers high short-term returns in order to entice new investors, whose money is needed to fund payouts to earlier investors, and to lure its victims into ever-bigger risks.

We don't know that it was a scam. We DO know that he didn't have enough money to pay everyone. That's not his fault.







"Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain

[0dofl]

We don't know that it was a scam. We DO know that he didn't have enough money to pay everyone. That's not his fault. Let's suppose it was not set up to fail intentionally - I'm actually at this point inclined to think it was not. Don't you think that 182 people he took payments ranging from $10 to $12.5 for Best Buyer upgrades to receive more e-mails from the program deserve to at least receive refunds for their money? What about over 150 people who bought shares? What about people who bought gold upgrades close to closing time and never received the advertising benefits for these upgrades? Leaving fault or no fault issue aside, along with his inability to compensate the time expediture to the thousands of people involved, isn't it his responsibility to at least return the money to the people he took it from upon closing?

[kokomorocks]

Here,s a nice picture of the theft of our money

MR BOB PETERS TAKE A LOOK.


http://www.sonningparish.org.uk/council.htm

[AnI4AnI]

isn't it his responsibility to at least return the money to the people he took it from upon closing?

He could stay open and not pay, like Linder and Annies and a thousand others...or he could close and not pay, like Aprils and Mikes and thousand others. It isn't about closing or staying open, it's about accountability. If they owe, they should pay. If they can't, they should file for bankrupcy and close the site to new sign-ups. Period.

[0dofl]

He could stay open and not pay, like Linder and Annies and a thousand others...or he could close and not pay, like Aprils and Mikes and thousand others. It isn't about closing or staying open, it's about accountability. If they owe, they should pay. If they can't, they should file for bankrupcy and close the site to new sign-ups. Period.I said at least. This site is already closed for bankrupcy, isn't it? Miguel was saying it wasn't the WMs fault - fine, I'm also not big of distrubuting blame, although it's ridiculous to blame the cheaters for WM not cleaning his own database from the start - but it was the WM's responsibility to at least return money he took from members for upgrades and shares upon closing the site: after all, it's not that large an amount of money overall, even if the site is bankrupt. Anyhow, I posted the additional contact info I found some time earlier on the net, if people want to do something about getting refunds, they can use it. I doubt something can be done beyond getting the refunds, but if people want to try, good luck with that.

[koala72]

We don't know that it was a scam. We DO know that he didn't have enough money to pay everyone. That's not his fault

yeah it actually is his fault

[Tmarie99]

So why doesn't anyone report him to his boss... The vicar? I know if I'd been ripped off I'd report him. But then I report any major infractions of policy, customer service, or the law.
Actions speak louder than words.

[Miguel Bahena]

Let's suppose it was not set up to fail intentionally - I'm actually at this point inclined to think it was not. Don't you think that 182 people he took payments ranging from $10 to $12.5 for Best Buyer upgrades to receive more e-mails from the program deserve to at least receive refunds for their money? What about over 150 people who bought shares? What about people who bought gold upgrades close to closing time and never received the advertising benefits for these upgrades? Leaving fault or no fault issue aside, along with his inability to compensate the time expediture to the thousands of people involved, isn't it his responsibility to at least return the money to the people he took it from upon closing?

On that I agree, but the rest? Bollocks.

[0dofl]

On that I agree, but the rest? Bollocks.Well, he is not refunding anything to anyone, is he? And, as far as I know, he is not responding to former members when they ask for these refunds, even if to say that he can't afford to make these refunds - at least, I heard from a couple of them saying just that. So it does say something about the person, don't you think?

[0dofl]

So why doesn't anyone report him to his boss... The vicar? I know if I'd been ripped off I'd report him. But then I report any major infractions of policy, customer service, or the law.
Actions speak louder than words.I think a couple of people are doing just that already or so I heard.

[TonyTheTiger]

This site has been closed almost 2 months now. We got scammed. It's time to move on. Everyone has alot to say now, but it doesn't mean a thing anymore, all it is doing is making this guy a big celebrity in here seeing his name in print everyday. The site's dead, we lost our money, this thread should also be dead instead of going on and on everyday.

:baaa: :baaa: :baaa:

[0dofl]

This site has been closed almost 2 months now. We got scammed. It's time to move on. Everyone has alot to say now, but it doesn't mean a thing anymore, all it is doing is making this guy a big celebrity in here seeing his name in print everyday. The site's dead, we lost our money, this thread should also be dead instead of going on and on everyday.

:baaa: :baaa: :baaa: I was only replying to your post, Tony, just in case you wanted more contact info :music: Besides, the same person, as was previously mentioned, owns other sites listed on http://www.rpassociatesuk.com and also holds a license for http://www.autohits.dk, so this information might at the very least be useful to the current members of his other sites.

[Tmarie99]

This site has been closed almost 2 months now. We got scammed. It's time to move on. Everyone has alot to say now, but it doesn't mean a thing anymore, all it is doing is making this guy a big celebrity in here seeing his name in print everyday. The site's dead, we lost our money, this thread should also be dead instead of going on and on everyday.

:baaa: :baaa: :baaa:
And it's JUST this attitude that lets ripoff pos get away with their scams. "The site is closed end of story"... No, it shouldn't just be dropped, he should be held accountable.

[0dofl]

And it's JUST this attitude that lets ripoff pos get away with their scams. "The site is closed end of story"... No, it shouldn't just be dropped, he should be held accountable. Well, short of doing a fundraiser for former WM, I'm not sure what the vicar would be able to do practically about hundreds of thousands in earnings. On the other hand, I don't see how it would hurt anything for people to try and report their bad experiences with the site to him either.

On a slightly different note, if this particular site was an intentional ripoff, why would the PO post contact information all over the place? I don't understand the approach, it would make more sense to do it anonymously.