Boycott Beehive.com

[jaydilla]

I'msure the admins here have been monitoring the heated debate about beehivemail.com . This is the deal, it was my first PTR site i signed up for and i checked the i cheat box. Not knowing what would happen. Then on payout when i finally hit the dollat she dletes my account for the checked box. Now i feel she should have deleted the account before i reach payout. Secondly I suggest going to this post http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?p=52596&posted=1#post52596

She is required by the E-sign legislation Bill Clinton signed to "informing the consumer of (I) any right or option
of the consumer to have the record provided or made
available on paper or in nonelectronic form, and (II) the
right of the consumer to withdraw the consent to have the
record provided or made available in an electronic form and
of any conditions, consequences (which may include
termination of the parties' relationship)," and one more quote of the law
she is also required to "the consumer has affirmatively consented to such use
and has not withdrawn such consent;
(B) the consumer, prior to consenting, is provided with a
CLEAR and CONSPICUOUS statement--

The point is no where in here terms does she state what would happen by clickg the cheat boxes, which is what this means the
right of the consumer to withdraw the consent to have the
record provided or made available in an electronic form and
of any conditions, consequences (which may include
termination of the parties' relationship. By clicking the i cheat box that was going to alter the contractual relationship of the 2 parties, so she is required to disclose that in her terms. I feel she is not in compliance with the E-sign legislation and as you can see has caused problems, I suggest adding her to the boycott list until she has her terms/privacy page updated to the E-sign compliance. Thanks.

[BrokenVolt]

Come on, why would you tick the "I Cheat" box? Secondly its only a dollar, not $1000.

Just move on, and there is no heated discussion about Beehivemail, everyone seems to love it...except for the ones who tick "I cheat" or actually cheat.

[torsverre]

Forget it! You checked a box saying "I cheat". Doesn't get any more obvious than that. Well maybe if it was the one that says "Delete my account" or "I don't understand english". What did you THINK those boxes was for? Oh, maybe you didn't read them? Oh yeah, that's right. YOU CHECKED THREE OF THEM :p Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole concept of a "Paid To Read" service based on the fact that you READ? You deserved the deletion. The funny thing is, if you had approached this nicely and sent her a friendly mail saying you were sorry and never noticed that box, she would probably have let you go with a warning (btw, you didn't even manage to spell the url correctly in the title)

[Reallybarb]

I don't see any debate heated or otherwise. I see someone who has a problem taking responsibly for thier own actions and who feels insulting others is normal acceptable behavior. I also see a forum whose Mods aren't around or aren't playing attention.

[jaydilla]

Forget it! You checked a box saying "I cheat". Doesn't get any more obvious than that. Well maybe if it was the one that says "Delete my account" or "I don't understand english". What did you THINK those boxes was for? Oh, maybe you didn't read them? Oh yeah, that's right. YOU CHECKED THREE OF THEM :p Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole concept of a "Paid To Read" service based on the fact that you READ? You deserved the deletion. The funny thing is, if you had approached this nicely and sent her a friendly mail saying you were sorry and never noticed that box, she would probably have let you go with a warning (btw, you didn't even manage to spell the url correctly in the title)

Well if thats the case and your so stuck on what the hell the boxes mean tell me what her condtions are for aterminated account. She has it spelled out in her terms page, but she doesnt even follow that. She says if she closes your account you will still be paid, so wheres it end? answer that question, because you can't, she no excuse for it.....even if your right about the boxes
explain to me how you can justify her with holding the earnings when she clearly states that if she closes your account you will still be paid. I'm sure you are just like the rest of the obvious byass people in this forum and won't reply back to that question, why because you cant find asmart azz reply to it thats why. You people just ignore it. So ok if i concead i was wrong by checking the boxes and deserve my account to deleted ....go look at the bottom of her terms page, she says she still pays you. So let me get some of you know it alls distorted opinion on that. I wont because you cant dispute it! So shut up already cause you all are just talking out your asses. If I ran a PTR site I would think about certifying my site as a ethical site. You notice not 1 PTR website here is a certifed etrust website, I wonder why, because these websites can't even meet the basic ethical guidlines to be etrust certified. you can visit the http://www.icharter.org/certification/ic9700/ they list basic core ethics of websites. If your so righteous why dont you apply to be certifed? One i know you don't have to be but just to prove your point to me why not. Do you really think you use the core values. heres a quote from their Good reputation section
http://www.icharter.org/articles/importance_of_a_good_reputation.html
"If you have made a mistake, admit it and let everyone know what you've done to stop it happening again. Give that little bit more than your competitors and your reputation will be the best. And then go on working to keep it there."

[jaydilla]

Come on, why would you tick the "I Cheat" box? Secondly its only a dollar, not $1000.

Just move on, and there is no heated discussion about Beehivemail, everyone seems to love it...except for the ones who tick "I cheat" or actually cheat.

By clicking the i cheat box means that you are intersted in receiving emails from her from advertisers that want to advertise for that interest. You still havent shown how clicking the interst box i cheat is cheating. why is it cheating by clicking that interest? It really makes me laugh how obviously how ignorant you people are. If she doesnt define what cheating is in her terms than it isnt cheating. None of you know it alls even ansered this.......if she does not define what the cheat box is in her terms page what is stopping her from changing her mind and deciding tomorrow that the i search box is the new cheat box. You get what im saying, You all still run around this other fact......the webmaster is legally bound to a contract that she stipulates in her terms/conditions page. Thats the legal document on her website. So other pages on her site are not whats the contract, the boxes are not in her terms page, or even a mention of them anywhere on here website. But of course that whole point you guys ignore too.....you people amaze me at your flat out ignorance. You advocates can't even quote a part of the law i showed you. Your blatantly obvious byass one-sided replies are proof. Just curious did any of you know it alls even read it? I doubt it, You need a higher comprehension level than a 3rd grader to understand it, and as you all have shown....with your comments that are baseless, factually incorrect ....yeah dont bother reading that, cause you all have shown by ignoring it you cant grasp and comprehend anything that doesnt have a 1/4c link in it.....LOL

[torsverre]

Where on EARTH did you get the impression that she would pay cheaters?! That's beyond ANY reasoning!
I just read through the TOS again, and found NOTHING of the sort. What she DOES say though, is this:
We reserve the right to make sure that a member is a real person, and is fluent in English, before making payments..this may be done thru an email, a msn/aim message "conversation" and/or participation in a valid signup. (Not applicable to members from USA/Canada/UK/AU/NZ)
ADDED 3/30/05..We reserve the right to hold off payments while checking for cheats for a period of up to an additional 78 hours on paypal and additional week on egold/mb
Now that doesn't mean that after the period is over, you will get payed even if you were cheating :p
Maybe what you're thinking about is this part:
ADDED 3/30/05 IF you are unhappy here, let me know, I will pay you and you can go...IF I am unhappy with you here, the same applies. I am NOT going to participate in debates with people who have broken my rules, I am going to delete them.
But that really doesn't speak in your favour either :) You didn't tell her you were unhappy before AFTER you were deleted. And when you were, I seriously doubt (from how you're posting in this forum) that you took it nicely.
Now please refrain from your personal attacks and/or leave this forum! You are totally out of line.

[jaydilla]

Where on EARTH did you get the impression that she would pay cheaters?! That's beyond ANY reasoning!
I just read through the TOS again, and found NOTHING of the sort. What she DOES say though, is this:
We reserve the right to make sure that a member is a real person, and is fluent in English, before making payments..this may be done thru an email, a msn/aim message "conversation" and/or participation in a valid signup. (Not applicable to members from USA/Canada/UK/AU/NZ)
ADDED 3/30/05..We reserve the right to hold off payments while checking for cheats for a period of up to an additional 78 hours on paypal and additional week on egold/mb
Now that doesn't mean that after the period is over, you will get payed even if you were cheating :p
Maybe what you're thinking about is this part:
ADDED 3/30/05 IF you are unhappy here, let me know, I will pay you and you can go...IF I am unhappy with you here, the same applies. I am NOT going to participate in debates with people who have broken my rules, I am going to delete them.
But that really doesn't speak in your favour either :) You didn't tell her you were unhappy before AFTER you were deleted. And when you were, I seriously doubt (from how you're posting in this forum) that you took it nicely.
Now please refrain from your personal attacks and/or leave this forum! You are totally out of line.


I never said she has to pay a cheater. Read the the whole point of this discussion. Why did you quote this part of her terms We reserve the right to make sure that a member is a real person, and is fluent in English, before making payments..this may be done thru an email, a msn/aim message "conversation" and/or participation in a valid signup. (Not applicable to members from USA/Canada/UK/AU/NZ)

Because i live in the united states and it clearly says Not applicable to members from USA/Canada/UK/AU/NZ) So that whole part of her terms does not apply to me.

Now your other point We reserve the right to hold off payments while checking for cheats for a period of up to an additional 78 hours on paypal and additional week on egold/mb. How does this relate to the issue. Not one of you have answered this question. The terms page is the legal contract between me and cheri. Now I followed every rule on that page, anything stated outside of that terms page doesnt apply to our contract. So if you follow every rule on her terms page, WHICH IS THE BINDING CONTRACT, i am bound by and her as well, how did i cheat? I held up to my part of our contract and i have yet to see any of you show me a term on her page that i broke. Therefore she is the one who broke the contract. You people are just slow, its the only explination for you people.

And to finalize your last weak defense the ADDED 3/30/05 IF you are unhappy here, let me know, I will pay you and you can go...IF I am unhappy with you here, the same applies. I am NOT going to participate in debates with people who have broken my rules, I am going to delete them.
But that really doesn't speak in your favour either You didn't tell her you were unhappy before AFTER you were deleted.

Omg how slow can you be. She clearly states if she is unhappy woth ypu account canceled and you will be payed. HELLO!!!!! She canceled my account because she thought i was cheating.....i think that falls within her not being happy with me. DUHHH.....LOL Yeah I'm arrogant as hell, because I love sitting here and making a fool out everyone of you guys who tries to legitimize her obvious half-witted, second rate website. I can see as a whole the whole PTR community is totally lacking any type of knowledge of internet commerce, or even the basic ethics governing the internet. Now I'll wait for the next persons ill attempt to save the thief cheri.

And what now you want me to leave now, because i have a different view than you, heaven forbid that this forum fosters individualistic opinions....kinda reminds me of a goverment....oh yeah the.... nazis.
And for everyone who thinks i just called him a nazi read before you reply i said that that statement reminds me of the nazi menality.

[torsverre]

Eh.. fine.. if you're too thick to see that CHEATING doesn't fall under the category "unhappy with", I give up. I've had enough of your personal attacks now anyway, so this will be my final post until you've been removed from this forum. And I honestly hope nobody here has had family or friends involved with the real nazis, 'cause statements like that are so TOTALLY off the mark.

[Reallybarb]

I know your a newbie but how many times do you have to have your nose rubbed in your own excrement? She doesn't pay cheaters, clicking, I Cheat, Delete me, Donate my money=cheating. It doesn't take a rocket scentist to figure out that you aren't paying attention/reading and not paying attention/reading is cheating and will get you deleted in the GetPaidToRead community.

I am not a Beehive member I don't know Cheri aside from her public posts and if she was doing something different then just about every other program out there someone here would say so.

Don Quinte had nothing on you but Don Quinte had a point you don't and aside from pointing out that this forum is - Mods all you have done is annoy and insult members who have tried to explain your mistakes to you. You goofed up and stalking and defaming a PO isn't going to get you anything but disdain which you rightfully deserve.

[jaydilla]

I know your a newbie but how many times do you have to have your nose rubbed in your own excrement? She doesn't pay cheaters, clicking, I Cheat, Delete me, Donate my money=cheating.

Why does checking those boxes constitute cheating when she is implying to the member that its a interest. Show me you can't show me a statement anywhere on her website that says clicking those boxes constitutes cheating. You can't who says its its cheating cheri? HELLO!!!!! If its not disclosed to a person that cheking a box is cheating than how the hell do they know their cheating and not marking ainterest which is what her website implies those boxes are. Like I said before those cheat boxes are not even in her terms page or refernced in her terms page. Are you thickheaded. The contract a webmaster/member is bound by are the terms of her website. Show the **** term that says that marking a i cheat box is considered cheating and not a interest, secondly the boxes are not in the terms, so they cna't affect the contract. Rub my nose in what your obvious ignorance to contractual law. And yet another proven byass reply, why because again he didnt address the other complaint about her not paying me, when its clearly stated in her terms that she still would pay me even upon a account termination. I love how you supports of beehivemail, have not even researched the law or even made a comment on it, 1. probably because you guys don't understand it, or 2. you do understand but just dont want to admit she is wrong as well as anyone who has supported her view. READ THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!! SORRY TO SAY BUT YOU KNOW FEDERAL LAW DOES SUPERCEDE CHERIS RULE ABOUT CHEAT BOXES THAN SHE DOESNT EVEN MENTION ON HER WEBSITE. WAKE UP!!!! IF DOESNT MENTION ANYWHERE ON HERE WEBSITE THAT MARKING THAT INTEREST IS CHEATING, THAT IT HAS TO BE TAKEN AT THE FACE VALUE IT WAS SHOWN AS A INTEREST. I know you all just hate me dont yah, because you cant prove a point.

[Reallybarb]

I don't hate you, I felt sorry for you for about a minute, you fixed that with your foul mouth and lousy temperment and I am quickly coming to the point where I couldn't care less about you, as a person or as a member of the GPTR community. I knew better then wasting my time on you darn me for bothering with you, 20 minutes I'll never get back, **** what a waste but I am done now.

[lil crusader]

This person may have only been a member of this forum for a couple of months, but I seriously doubt that he's a newbie -- not with that ID!

[jaydilla]

This person may have only been a member of this forum for a couple of months, but I seriously doubt that he's a newbie -- not with that ID!

are you referring to me?

[Reallybarb]

This person may have only been a member of this forum for a couple of months, but I seriously doubt that he's a newbie -- not with that ID!


Ok I'll waste 1 more minute, Lil you got a point.

[lil crusader]

are you referring to me?

Yes I am referring to you.

[jaydilla]

Yes I am referring to you.

I dont undestand what you mean by my profile ...you lost me. This incident happened like 2 months ago....rough estimate.....and she was the first ptr site i have eveg signed up with. Are you talking about my signature?

[lil crusader]

I dont undestand what you mean by my profile ...you lost me. This incident happened like 2 months ago....rough estimate.....and she was the first ptr site i have eveg signed up with. Are you talking about my signature?

No, I'm talking about your user ID "jaydilla" - a variation of the ID used by one of the most infamous people ever to be involved in PTR.

Just as your deliberate checking of all cheat interests seems to have been a deliberate mockery of attempts to weed out cheaters in a program, your use of that name seems to be a mockery of all those who were hurt by Jaydillar.

[jaydilla]

No, I'm talking about your user ID "jaydilla" - a variation of the ID used by one of the most infamous people ever to be involved in PTR.

Just as your deliberate checking of all cheat interests seems to have been a deliberate mockery of attempts to weed out cheaters in a program, your use of that name seems to be a mockery of all those who were hurt by Jaydillar.

I seriously dont know who this jaydillar is. And I dont know he ripped people off. And i have started using this nickname on my webtv 10 years ago. So I am not mocking any person who was screwed over by a guy with a similar nickname. My yahoo nicks jaydilla_cu I always use this nick. It in no way has any refernce to anyone anywhere.

Also i didnt deliberately click any cheat interests, I clicked the boxes labeled interests, the are not labeled cheat interest, they are labeld interests