PayPup and Netbux becomming a Scam?

[BBTV]

It looks like PayPup and Netbux quickly are gaining attention as two awful scams. Covering the background, both programs promise to pay each member 2 cents for searching Google, Yahoo, eBay, MSN and many other sites with searching capabilities. Both were founded in April of 2005, first Netbux.org, followed by Pay-Pup.com. Pay-to-Search (PTS) seemed to be a big splash, with members able to earn thousands of dollars per month.

Unfortunately, it looks like both websites are overhyped scams. First of all, there is no way that any advertiser would pay 2c to Netbux and PayPup for each time a random user searches and receives an advertisement. Ads are not worth $0.02 each. Not to mention that referral commission was/is 100%, so Netbux and PayPup scammers are actually promising to pay $0.04 per search! If you know anything about the advertising business, $40.00 CPM is absurd, and no company would pay that much.

As if that were not horrible enough, Netbux and PayPup are offering to sell unreferred members to those willing to fork out some cash. At first, both sold referrals for $1 per each member. Later, Netbux increased the rate to $3, and PayPup to $2.50. In any circumstance, this is nothing more than a fishy smelling scam. Since referrals can earn $1 PER DAY for the user who purchased them, it makes zero sense for the website owners to sell them at such a low rate! The only possibility is that Netbux and PayPup simply want to earn more free money before they close down their business.

Perhaps they are eager for more money to make up for lost revenue. Both Netbux and PayPup had their Google AdSense accounts terminated, for two separate reasons. Netbux urged members to "CLICK HERE!" which is a clear violation of AdSense for Search policy. PayPup greedily edited its website code so that mesothelioma attorney and lawyer AdSense advertisements would always show up. Anyone with knowledge of the AdSense knows that these pay dollars per click, and forcing them to appear is against the terms of service. On top of that, Netbux was also removed from another advertisement company, Clicksor.

Forced to move on, both sites were required to find new advertisements. Netbux settled for selling 75,000 ad impressions for $29, which equals $0.0003 income per search. This is less than 1% of the 4 cents promised per search! Not even 1%! PayPup went solely with advertisements that only pay when users enter private and personal information, not exactly the most courteous way to earn income through members.

Now attempting to get quick cash by selling unreferred members, Netbux and PayPup earned well over $10,000 through sales of referrals. Ironically, PayPal caught on to the scam, and froze the accounts of both, meaning that they could not send or receive more payments. On they went, scamming again through 2CO.com. Once again, they were recognized for the scammers they are, and removed from that service as well. Finally, they had to settle for accepting payments via Charge.com, a high-risk company which simply put is a credit card transaction processor. Anyone foolish enough to give away money to these two scoundrels after seeing all of this occur certainly does justice to the saying, "A fool and his money are soon parted..."

Furthermore, if it were not apparent enough already, Netbux and PayPup are, in all honesty, the same company (scam). The same person, MidiFox.com hosted both websites, until traffic became too much to contain. One site simply was not enough to reel in users and advertisement agencies, as well.

Both websites say that they will never sell, trade, or give away any personal information. How then, do they justify the fact that anyone can see the email address of each referral he has - including ones which he purchased?! Netbux sneakily removed its forums right as PayPup was being launched, simply a way to stop users from communicating about the obvious relationship. PayPup went down for days at a time during the first week of its existence, causing many members, including referrals who had been "purchased" by someone else, to stop coming back and earning money for the one who had shelled out $1 per member. Netbux was hacked and its security breached. PayPup mysteriously made referral links virtually invalid, as anyone clicking on the "Create" button for a new account would have the referral code wiped away from their browser, a cheap way of getting more "unreferred" members to selfishly sell for more cash, and a clear violation of the statement that referral codes would stick to that potential new member's IP address, even if the browser were closed and the computer shut down!

Netbux and PayPup are most certainly scams. The only ways they could survive more than a few months would be to ban multitudes of members with high earnings, lower their payment rates dramatically, or add tons of new advertisements. If none of those happens, you probably will not see them around after a few months, at least not with the same business plan.

[softwareguy]

Wow, thats a long post.
Yes, I agree. They won't last for long... Well, I heard that they paid a few members to lure more members in? Cannot confirm that...
I won't trust them anyways. :P

[lil crusader]

That post is actually a reprint of a website written by another member of this forum. It looks like a sentence or two may have been removed, though, so you can read it in its entirety here: http://www.netbuxscam.com/

[koala72]

lol becoming? when they lost adsense and google they were always going to be scams ;)

[BBTV]

That post is actually a reprint of a website written by another member of this forum. It looks like a sentence or two may have been removed, though, so you can read it in its entirety here: http://www.netbuxscam.com/

Sorry for that.
I normaly put link to the source in my post http://www.paypupscam.com/ and http://www.netbuxscam.com/ Think it must have been too early in the morning here. To tired to remember. But No sentence is removed as far as I know.

Edited....Found one line that I took out. "Feel free to check back shortly." coz I didn't intend to write more about ii. Was enough when GreenZap was the topic. :)

[Miguel Bahena]

Still going strong it seems. Although Pay-Pup is down, AGAIN

[lil crusader]

Still going strong it seems. Although Pay-Pup is down, AGAIN

Oh really? Have you checked on Netbux lately? It's been pretty much down since June 1st with only sporadic returns that last a couple of minutes, the owner hasn't bothered to offer a word of explanation as to what the problem is, there are still many people who were supposed to be paid weeks ago that have not been, and finally, the information that was promised on June 1 has never been provided.

But other than that, Netbux is doing great. :p

[Miguel Bahena]

It's goin' strong (it seems) as in it's still paying it's members. Although, I tried logging in with my account earlier, and the verification image never shows up. EVER.

[lil crusader]

It's goin' strong (it seems) as in it's still paying it's members. Although, I tried logging in with my account earlier, and the verification image never shows up. EVER.

Read my lips miguel...unless something drastic has changed during the day today, Netbux is NOT paying! Countless people never got their checks that were supposed to be in the mail weeks ago....then were supposed to be sent to them via Overnight mail, well over a week ago.

A handful of people out of 69 eligible for payout last month got paid via their Stormpay accts....that's all.

[Miguel Bahena]

lol.. "read your lips"...

Anyway, I said they pay. Never said that everyone got paid. Although I understand you 100%.

[lil crusader]

Netbux is now a moot point as it is officially dead and gone.

For a few hours earlier today, going to the site showed you the emptied out files that had once made up that program. Now, as usually happens, you just get the error message "this page cannot be displayed."

The owner's other website kyrotek.com, which once had consisted of nothing but an ad for Netbux, has now been changed to reflect his newest con game. Netbux is no longer mentioned there.

[mantova]

Wa Woo ! Long sentence.........

I quite agree with you.

Please More , anyone reply here !

[tacomaster]

Someone got this message from stormpay regarding netbux:


10 Jun 2005 10:51 Hello Netbux Investors:

On behalf of StormPay, Inc., I wish to bring you up to date on our efforts to communicate with Mr. Chad French in regard to his recent transaction with you. We have directed multiple e-mail and telephone communications to Mr. French in order to ascertain the specific facts and circumstances as to why his website is no longer available and why he has failed and refused to communicate with us and you regarding the pending claim you have asserted against him. Obviously, without any recent or direct communication with Mr. French it is impossible to determine what his future intent is in regard to following through with the commitments he has made to you.

Your request to be reimbursed has been forwarded to our Risk Management team for review. If fraudulent activity is found Mr. French will be sanctioned and suspended from transacting any further business through StormPay. Unfortunately, at this time there are no funds available within Mr. French’s StormPay account to pay out to you on your claim. He has long since withdrawn the funds that were being held in his StormPay account.

If any funds are recovered from Mr. French, your StormPay account will be reimbursed. Rest assured that we are doing everything within our powers to recover these funds including contacting the authorities if necessary.
We regret these circumstances but urge you not to allow this situation to deter you in your future on-line transacting. We strive to make StormPay the safest and securest on-line payment processing system available. If we are successful in recovering funds we will make direct contact with you.

As with programs of this type, as the buyer you must carefully consider the statements and representations of the merchant before investing. You must determine what is a promise or guarantee as opposed to what is an anticipated result given a certain set of variable facts and circumstances. You must determine how reasonable and likely those anticipated results are before you determine to spend your money.

With all that being said, we truly regret these circumstances and will keep you advised on developments as they occur. Of course, we still hold out hope that Mr. French will soon get his site back up and running and make good on the promises and representations he has made. For these reasons we will have to close your claim at this time.


Quite amazing that people still trust them....

[lil crusader]

Fortunately I think only a handful still do.

It's too bad there isn't more information on that note you posted. While it does look legit, without knowing who "someone" is and the noticeable lack of any sort of signature by a Stormpay representative, tend to make me question whether it's real. There is also a very noticeable grammatical error within that note - not the sort of thing you see in true business correspondence.

Don't misunderstand me, I wouldn't trust Chad French any farther than I could throw him, but I still am not convinced that note really was sent to anyone by Stormpay.

[tacomaster]

http://www.gptresources.com/showthread.php?t=7238
http://www.gptresources.com/showthread.php?t=7237

[lil crusader]

ty tacomaster......I haven't looked in on that forum for a couple of days and hadn't seen these threads.

It is pretty sad that a few people are still trying to make excuses for him, isn't it? I wonder what it will take to make them understand that Netbux is gone gone gone and so is Chad French.

[marg35]

When I go into netbux it says "Netbux is currently down for major construction. If you're new to Netbux, be sure to bookmark this page and come back". Come to your own conclusions. :\

[lil crusader]

There isn't any major construction going on. Netbux is over and done with and its owner has completely disappeared (after first changing his phone number apparently).

Before that message showed up all that was left of Netbux were emptied out files. There really aren't any conclusions that need to be drawn -- it's obvious that the site is gone and it's not coming back.

[bustacap]

Netbux scamed you dont get scamed again

Chad P French and Tiffany L French

Chad P French owns all rights over the netbux scripts, that are used by netbux, search-pay, pay-pup, pay-pup2, ibux,
and moneyjet

addresses

first - Route 3 Box 1550 Lake Butler FL 32054
second - 770 Sw Symphony Loop Lake City FL 32025
third - 8644 140th place Rd SE Summerfield FL 34491
newest - 4101 Seminole Ave N Tampa FL

phone numbers

386-496-9693
386-867-0711
386-266-7056
386-755-9155
352-307-7781

domains owned by Chad P French Officially
usellco.com
acflb.org
kyrotek.com
netbux.org
xull.org
kinx.org
searchoodles.com

domains that dont admit there owned by Chad P French (NO WHOIS INFO MEANS THEY WILL SCAM YOU TOO) SAME SCRIPT = SAME GUY


search-pay.com
moneyjet.net
pay-pup.com
pay-pup2.com
ibux.net
Lapiter.com

and finally email addresses to contact him at
chad@acflb.org
request@usellco.com
support@usellco.com
contact@kyrotek.com
admin@netbux.org

There are more find them yourself

and Dont get scamed again by him

Chad saying no more netbux
http://www.gptresources.com/showthread.php?t=7525

[marg35]

I just went into Netbux and it is now Searchoodles but there is nothing there if people want to sign up. Who would anyhow? I knew Netbux wouldn't last since there was really no way to make money. I'll stick to the ones that pay me. :)

[lil crusader]

bustacap: Some of the information you posted is incorrect. If you're going to "expose" someone, it's usually a good idea to verify things first.

You are incorrect in stating that Chad French owns ibux.....he does not.

The owner of ibux is a very active member of this forum and a friend of mine. Trust me -- IT IS NOT CHAD FRENCH.

Please edit your post accordingly or I'll ask a mod to do it for you. This forum isn't in the practice of spreading false information.

(Note: This may not be the only inaccurate information posted by bustacap. Chad French is a royal creep, there's no doubt about it, but that doesn't mean he is behind every single program/website listed in bustacap's post.)

[marg35]

Does ibux pay? and who owns it? and how do they make their income to pay people?

[lil crusader]

Does ibux pay? and who owns it? and how do they make their income to pay people?

Just sent you a PM. :)

[Josh]

Netbux scamed you dont get scamed again

Chad P French and Tiffany L French

Chad P French owns all rights over the netbux scripts, that are used by netbux, search-pay, pay-pup, pay-pup2, ibux,
and moneyjet

I would like to take a moment to explain the technical (not program-wise) differences between Netbux and ibux. I won't speak for any other WM of a site listed in your post, because I don't want to misrepresent their stances.

Netbux was launched on April 7th. I'm not sure who wrote the script for Chad's site, perhaps he even did it himself. My script, on the other hand, was written completely separately, without having any access to his. Now, I can do a little bit of scripting, but I would never know where to begin with writing something like this from scratch. I hired a nice man from Belgium, named Dave, through the website ScriptLance.com. Eventually, quite a few other sites got their hands on a copy of the same script (some by underhanded means), but I was actually the one who saw the progress being made daily as Dave did the coding. I wanted to have a clear view of how it was being put together, and a say in certain aspects of the script, since there were some distinct ways in which I wanted my program to differ from Netbux.

I leave my personal information out of the WHOIS for a good reason: there are far too many goons hiding out on the Internet, as we are well aware. If anyone would like to host a site that brings in tens of thousands of people per day and still wishes to keep his information viewable to all, then he certainly earns my mark of "knows-no-fear!" Although you run a website to the best of your ability, and with all justice, there will always be some people who find a reason to hold a grudge. On top of that, you also have the trolls who are simply out to bother you for no reason whatsoever.

Thank you for your time. If you have any further questions on the issue, I am here to answer them. :)

[doblece]

Post Deleted.

Reason: this was a link to the same post Josh already made above, in another forum. His post wasn't here when I made mine, but now that he did, the link is irrelevant. :)

[lil crusader]

I leave my personal information out of the WHOIS for a good reason: there are far too many goons hiding out on the Internet, as we are well aware. If anyone would like to host a site that brings in tens of thousands of people per day and still wishes to keep his information viewable to all, then he certainly earns my mark of "knows-no-fear!" Although you run a website to the best of your ability, and with all justice, there will always be some people who find a reason to hold a grudge. On top of that, you also have the trolls who are simply out to bother you for no reason whatsoever.

The (fill in appropriate descriptive term of your choice here) who are plastering Chad French's information all over the internet are living proof that it's not such a bad idea to NOT include your personal information in whois.

Chad is about as low as low can be, but even he doesn't deserve that kind of potentially dangerous treatment.

I think as long as a program owner goes uses the proper methods to protect himself/herself without resorting to intentionally providing false information, then there is nothing at all wrong with it.

[Kane]

Both Netbux and Pappup are scams. Recommend adding them to the boycotting list.

Further discussions here:

http://www.gptresources.com/

[Mikemar]

How about ibux and search-pay as well?

[marg35]

Netbux is gone so why would you boycott it? Ibux isn't a search site and no one ever got paid for searches. Now, you just earn ibux (points) and play the lottery with them to win 25 cents. You just view sites to earn ibux and put 10 ibux in the lottery draw. You may win, you may not. Not too profitable really. After my Paypal fee, I wouldn't have anything left. You are just doing a lot of looking at other people's sites for free. This just happened as of last night. Right now there are only two banners to look at. :\

[Miguel Bahena]

LMAO

"This account is suspended"

That's got to be the funniest thing ever.