Read2berich lowers payout to $20

[sore_fingers]

I just joined today. I knew about the boycott, but joined because I got a paid signup bonus from another program to join read2berich. I just got this mail.

We Have Lowered Payout Again To $20
We have had to think about this hard and we have come up with an idea to turn this site into a
fair paying site. But the payout reduce does meen that link values will go down but they will be a
lot fairer. Of course we are not going to carry on the $50 sign-up bonus we will be putting a $2
instead but your $50 will get you advertisement.
The Referral links have gone upto 20-10-5-3-1
Thanx chris


So maybe they will now run a square program.

[Rob]

Hopefully so... and with a payout of $20, I believe these could be taken off the boycott list in the near future.

Rob

[sore_fingers]

I just heard that they had been sold. The new webmaster's name is Chris. Isn't there someone by that name that runs a lot of other PTRs? Since it's a new owner maybe now it will be an honest program for once. Maybe he can fix the bad image this site was getting.

[Enchanted]

And he sends a lot of paid mails + point mails.

Why was it boycotted by the way???

[sore_fingers]

well they used to do the 400 dollar payout+ no referral credit until referrals cashed out which made it impossible to ever cash out, just like cashread does. But now it looks like they are trying to be a good program and clean up their image.

[Enchanted]

Ok thanks for replying.

[Rob]

Are you referring to Chris Houlihan, owner of Marketing Inc (see his GPTBoycott forum!)?

Rob

[Heartless]

Well they aren't off to a very good start as far as I'm concerned. Yesterday I checked my earnings and had $52 and some change and 40 referrals. I decided to change my email address but the change wouldn't take. I went back to my earnings... not a minute later... and my earnings were 0 and referrals 0. I emailed the webmaster to let him know about the glitch. I also told him that I wasn't worried about the $50 previous signup bonus but I did want my $2 and 40 referrals back. Chris (not Houlihan btw) replied back that altho inactives had been deleted there weren't that many. But he couldn't give me my referrals back. He offered me a gold membership and said my earnings would be replaced within 24 hours.

Being a webmaster myself, I know how long it can take to get 40 referrals with a gold membership sometimes. I also know these referrals could have been replaced, maybe not with the same ones of course, but still replaced. I had run paid ads to get these referrals back before I ever had my own PTR's.

I understand that you will lose referrals from time to time, but even he admitted he didn't delete that many. And I don't think you lose 40 in a span of less than a minute.

IMHO it was a bad decision... but that's just me. I resigned from the program.

[kiwinz]

lol this chris guy had a paid to read site before

it was a geocities paidtoread LOL i remember i added him to my msn chriscool or something

[Rob]

Oh God don't remind me... chriscool or whatever he was used to be on my MSN list too.

He ran a geocities PTR, where there was no database, rather he worked out everything manually and recorded all member account balances down by pen and paper.

Wow - professional for a PTR.

Rob

[DAzHiredGun]

Do I detect a note of sarcasm? (lol - chriscool - lol)

[DAzHiredGun]

Uh-oh, check this out. Just received it a few minutes ago.

Ron


Hi there members
i am the new owner of bepaidforemail i am called chriscool (nickname anyway) i own several sites actually 12 to be correct we are going to bring these all together soon to make one big family with great specail offers thanx chriscool
paid email next

[earners]

This guy has just announced that he is selling 2 of his sites because "He cannot manage all of them" No doubt the new owner will start from fresh and everyone will lose referrals and earnings.

Today I see that he has bought a new site Free Money Mail!!!!

Now come on, I think we all know why he is selling these sites - he simply doesn't want to pay people!

Marc

[Enchanted]

Hmmmm, I am a member of most of his programs and I was wondering the same thing.

But Marc, it is necessary for the person who purchases it to start everything anew? It's so unfair.

[DAzHiredGun]

As to Super.BePaidForEmail, this is beginning to have an odor about it.

First, the site launched and was sold in roughly 72 hours.

Next, on 11-28-02, I get an email from "chriscool" - as I previously posted.

On 12-7-02, I received the following:
we are changing servers
we will be back in 2 days or so
thanx

The site never "reappeared."

Now, we find out "through the grapevine" that the ptr is to be sold:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/...530&f=4&t=21085


I seem to recall a number of links in the emails that were sent, following the change of ownership, that were referral links for "chris" - to other programs. I am now beginning to wonder if the transition was a self-serving method of gaining referrals before dumping the program. If and when Super.BePaidForEmail is sold, it will be interesting to see if we still have referrals.

Ron

[earners]

Ron - I think you hit the nail on the head there.

Also in answer to Enchanted - if you were to buy a business in the street would you be able to throw all the debts away after you bought it? Unfortunately not and the same should apply to online businesses, just a pity there are no laws governing online businesses like the ones we take part in.

There are too many people selling their sites only for the new owner to delete membership (often they manage to lose their database which is bull!) and start again.

It surprises me when this happens and people then jump straight in and re-join the offending program. If only more would complain and get the offenders boycotted by name and not program.

Marc

[Poncer]

Ron, It looks like Chriscool is up to his old tricks again. Lots of complaints for most of his sites now. I posted two links in the Suggest section about the complaints.

[serenemom]

Originally posted on the GetPaidForum.

Here are some facts for you:

Fact 1.

Chris Shelley has posted and admitted to owning these 7 sites. (Posted on Get Paid Forum Here) here. (http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=23118))

All e-gold account numbers listed can be found on the corresponding advertising pages.

1. Earnwithchris.com - E-gold account No. 535329 - registered to "chris34"

2. read2berich.com - E-gold account No. 535329 - registered to "chris34"

3. megapaidmail.com has no valid payment method listed. On his advertising section is the following information: "Payments may be sent directly through ? to advertising@??"

4. superpaidemails.com is brand new and I am unable to reach the site at this time.

5. freeads4ever.com - E-gold account No. 414074 - registered to "Driss Kaitouni's account"

6. freemoneymail.com does not have e-gold listed as a payment method.

7. searchcash.co.uk does not have e-gold listed as a payment method.

(the owner of the e-gold account can be found by making a spend to the e-gold no. and pressing the preview button. The spend does not have to be completed.)

Fact 2.

The owner of FreeAds lists E-Gold account No. 414074 as their e-gold account to pay for advertising. This account is owned by Chris Shelley (See # 5 above).

Fact No.3 :

Emailsforcash - E-gold account No. 525362 is registered to "Chris's e-gold account"

Read4Cash - E-gold account No. 525362 is registered to "Chris's e-gold account"

These 2 sites are owned by Chris Shelley as proven in fact #4.

Emailsforcash owns and runs searchcash.co.uk as previously stated in this thread. Searchcash.co.uk is owned by Chris Shelley as stated in his own post.


Fact4.

I received an information e-mail from one of Chris Shelley's programs stating that he was selling PaidCashMail.com which he sold on December 11th. See the following e-bay auction link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=1924233032 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11763&item=1924233032)
Notice the sellers name : Read4Cash

Read4Cash is the owner of Read4Cash.com and also uses this ebay id for sales of it's advertising. Current auctions listed are found here on ebay. (http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=read4cash&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25)

And because read4cash.com and emailsforcash.com have the same e-gold id then it is safe to assume that read4cash (Chris Shelley's ebay account) owns both sites and reading4cash.com (which is found listed in seller's other auctions).

A paid email that was sent for read2earn.net is signed at the bottom EmailsForCash. Which indicates that both sites are owned by the same person.

Because it has been proven above that Chris Shelley owns emailsforcash we know that he also owns read4cash, reading4cash and read2earn.net.


Therefore the owners of e-gold account No. 525362 (Chris's e-gold account), e-gold No. 535329 (chris34) and e-gold account No. 414074 (Driss Kaitouni's account) are Chris Shelley.

Other alias's know to be used by Chris Shelley are: chriscool (found in his signatures on paid e-mails sent from his sites) and chris35 on this forum.

Chris stated earlier in this thread that he had just sold his sites GPS Paidmail and Super GPS Paidmail. Here is the ebay auction. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11762&item=3100042828)

Take a note of the sellers name savhlady. Which is an account that is on loan to chris shelley by savhlady in response to a plea for ebay access by chris on November 7th sent using the email id webmaster@earnwithchris.com.

Savhlady may be unaware that he already had ebay access under the id of Read4Cash, registered member since: Sunday, May 12, 2002.


In conclusion we know that Chris Shelley owns all of the above listed sites, has at least 3 e-gold accounts and has access to at least 2 ebay ids.

While Chris claims to be honest "my aim is to pay everyone not to scam people", he is not being totally upfront in listing the sites that he owns.

If you look at the profile of a typical scammer he/she tends to hide behind multiple names (alias's) please remember that there are always exceptions.

[Poncer]

I also found Reading4Cash e-gold account to pay for advertisement as 525362. My account at Reading4Cash mysteriously diappeared like last August, but was put back when I wrote the webmaster in this case Chris. After that, my password for some of my programs including here has been changed to the old password.

[KensLuv22]

Email from Fred Sroc.

Taken from GP Forum:

ClickityCash Newsletters
Subject: ClickityCash - INTRUDER ALERT!!!
Date: 03/17/2002 12:39:41
Folks, we have an intruder.



Christopher Shelley has *somehow* overtaken two accounts of ClickMasters in the past two days, changed their names and contact info, passwords and started to use their accounts.



In addition, he has hacked into other accounts and attempted to transfer RealCash to other accounts he has set up - I`ve deleted 4 of them so far.



I continue to work to figure out how he is getting into the accounts - but no luck so far - I can`t even hack my own system!!



The ###### is so bold, that after transferring $24.95 to one of his accounts, he complained because I wouldn`t upgrade him - AND - after taking over account **edited for privacy**`s account) and complained that he had surfed 245 sites without earning RealCash!



So here`s what I`d like you all to do:



Send Christopher an email - he has used two email addresses consistently in his foraging:



shelleysoftware@aol.com

chrisshelley456@hotmail.com



Let him know just what we think of him.





Here are the websites he`s tried to promote:



http://www.linktothenet.bravepages.com

http://geocities.com/emailbucksmillenium

http://geocities.com/websites4bucks

http://www.CashRead.com/cgi-bin/page.cgi?r...oftware@aol.com



Perhaps several thousand emails to the webmasters of these pages would prove effective in making his life miserable as well.



If any of you have information on this person, I`d appreciate hearing from you.





Fred Srock

Founder, ClickityCash.Com

[DAzHiredGun]

Originally posted by earners
Ron - I think you hit the nail on the head there.

Also in answer to Enchanted - if you were to buy a business in the street would you be able to throw all the debts away after you bought it? Unfortunately not and the same should apply to online businesses, just a pity there are no laws governing online businesses like the ones we take part in.

There are too many people selling their sites only for the new owner to delete membership (often they manage to lose their database which is bull!) and start again.

It surprises me when this happens and people then jump straight in and re-join the offending program. If only more would complain and get the offenders boycotted by name and not program.

Marc

A couple of points.

First, there shouldn't have been much outstanding, debtwise, since there were only a handful of e-mails ever sent out by Super.BePaidForEmail. The new owner, whoever he/she is, should be able to cover that easily - I would think. Still, no word from the new owner. I'm beginning to wonder if this person bought it for resale purposes.

Second, the idea of boycotting an individual, by name rather than by program, is not normally what we do; however, there are always exceptions to every rule - it seems. Where I can see a problem with boycotting by name is the possibility the person has one honest program and several dishonest programs. Should we boycott them all, then we are essentially making false allegations about the one honest program; hence, we, in a sense, become dishonest in our actions - regardless of our intentions. The likelyhood of this situation ever arising is remote - though possible. I, for one, do not want to compromise the integrity of GPTBoycott.

Just my opinion, folks.


Ron

[Kyu]

Originally posted by DAzHiredGun
Where I can see a problem with boycotting by name is the possibility the person has one honest program and several dishonest programs. Should we boycott them all, then we are essentially making false allegations about the one honest program; hence, we, in a sense, become dishonest in our actions - regardless of our intentions.

How honest is a program however, even if they are doing everything they say they would, when a majority of the members to the program were gained, in likelyhood through the owner promoting through his dishonest sites?

Further more, when there is a possibility that the one honest program might only be staying afloat for the time being by the funds stolen from countless members of various dishonest sites which the owner holds.

= Kyu =

Devils Advocate.

[Poncer]

Chriscool gave this program to Tony. So, I think we need answers who owns what now, so everything will be cleared up.

[cyberrat]

what is the word on this site anyone know who ownes it for sure yet and what is going to happen with it???

[CyberEarth]

I doubt this guy has the computers skills necessary to "hack" a site. I believe he is buying GPT sites, harvesting the user databases (where the passwords are stored), and using them on different sites. I think he's also using these newly acquired sites to send out free e-mails to their user databases to join other programs under his referral scheme. He then re-sells the GPT site after a few days or after clearing out the user database. Things that happened on Fred Sroc's site shouldn't have happened. Also, action can (and should) be taken against ChrisCool as he identifies himself. Contact his ISP, and his webhosts after he buys a site. Inform them of the activities that he is doing against members, and they should be able to shut him down. Unfortunately, you might not see a dime of your membership account, but you can at least stop him from reselling the site (to himself under a different alias, I assume).

These actions can be easily prevented! Simply use a different password on every GPT site. I do, simply because you never know who you're typing you're password to. Most sites use password encryption in their databases, but some do not. Take special care when dealing with high volume cash sites, like PayPal, Egold, Ebay, and high volume GPT sites like 1Helluva. Be sure to use a different password on these. I prefer to combine letter/number sequences. Remember, if you care enough about a program to invest money/time into it, spend 30 seconds and change your password to something unique!

[Poncer]

Chriscool somehow became the new owner of Reading4Cash from Chris Keer. All his sites, and Chris Keer's sites are hosted on Chris K's server. I have to say this as well. BePaidForEmail and Super.BePaidForEmail is also hosted on on the same server. Yes, I am halping Tony on Super. :(