Greenzap warnings

[BBTV]

I would like to issued warnings regarding a spesific payment processor promoted in some of the threads here.

I hope you will trust my judgement regarding this particular new payment processor.

The program in question is called Greenzap.
Although I normally would include a URL to the program I am covering I will not do so in this case.
The reason being is that as soon as the email promoting Greenzap dropped into my mailbox I got a warning message.

I run Trend Micro Pc-cillin Internet Securty 2500 and the warning stated that the email in question was likely to be a "Phishing" email.
Read about Phishing here:
http://starprofits.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26&sid=b2b439ec5b356291e7fd586a0face895

Additionally the website is set up through Go Daddy, the preferred host for scammers..
I can find no registration details for Greenzap other than that they are hosted through Go Daddy, but are working on it.

The website is also unsecure, not hosted on a secure server.
A definite No No for payment processors of any kind.

Don't be tempted by the $25.00 sign up fee, in order to get it you will have to give these people your name, address, telephone number and bank details.

If a complete stranger came up to you in the street and asked you for this information would you give it to him or her?
Of course not, yet people are still willing to give this information to complete strangers on the internet when they are promised cash in return.

There are a stack of emails from program owners in my mailbox promoting this crap.
Will they never learn?
I bet they never read past the line that says "We will give you $25.00 just for signing up".
Why would they give you $25.00?
Remember Golden Rule No 1, if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is!

Regards,
Roald

[Miguel Bahena]

Don't be tempted by the $25.00 sign up fee, in order to get it you will have to give these people your name, address, telephone number and bank details.

1) You do NOT have to give your bank information
2) You do NOT have to give your phone number
3) What can they possibly do with your name and address? Send you lots of junk mail maybe, but that's pretty much it.

Let's compare PayPal and it's future rival. GreenZap.

How Does PayPal Make Money With My Money?

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, there are approx. 100,000 complaints outstanding at PayPal (Are any of these yours?). In many instances disputes can run on for months leaving people frustrated and out of pocket as they are unable to access their accounts. So what happens to the millions of dollars tied up in frozen accounts and disputes? Well, here is a clip from the San Francisco Chronicle that basically sums it up:

U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel of San Jose refused to dismiss a lawsuit that seeks class-action status on behalf of thousands of PayPal customers nationwide. A common allegation is that the company brushes off or stalls customer grievances for months and meanwhile freezes the customer's account and pockets the interest (So that's how they make their money!). No wonder they freeze so many accounts!

How many complaints has GreenZap had so far? None, except yours. Possibly, when it opens, there will be a few complaints. But so far none. Why? Becaue no one is losing anything at all. There's no risk involved. You fill out your info, wait until they open. Then see if they are a scam site or not. And if you decide not to sign up, then find out they aren't a scam. You're screwed. Because you didn't want to sign up. Now, after they prove it's not a scam, although they may or may not, you won't get the $25 bonus for signing up. OR the $5-$30 dollars per referral.

[BBTV]

1) You do NOT have to give your bank information
2) You do NOT have to give your phone number
3) What can they possibly do with your name and address? Send you lots of junk mail maybe, but that's pretty much it.

Nah. So you are here again? Ok let me ask you if you remember "Juice" juiceboosted the faster than broadband people? a friend got sucked into that one 2 weeks before launch and when they should start paying commissions they disapeared into thin air!

And yes, it might be just a way of getting email addresses to sell to spammers, so I would be very very careful before I promotet this if I was you.

Check they are listed at companies house or your local trading registry office, also have they got an address you can visit personally.

Valleyken has added some info you may be interested in, paragraph taken from his post 3rd April 2005 on another site.

"I did a whois lookup, and they seem to have their domain-name registered by: http://DomainsByProxy.com
Like the name suggests, and their frontpage confirms ... this is meant in order to hide your personal information from people that want to find out more about a domain-name."

Makes you think, doesn't it ?!

I never like to promote sites that I'm not sure about, and I think a lot of people ruin their online reputation by promoting sites that they only joined recently themselves and know nothing about it. Admitted, sometimes it's good to join early, but it's best to choose something that at least shows who they are, what they do, and how they are going to do it.

Lets try to find the 'gold' among the scams, frauds, & down right illegal spam arriving daily.
I have been researching quite a lot of these lately, & one ot the latest doing the rounds at is called surf junky. On the surface it looks like a good opportunity. Get paid to surf...
However, it seems that for some reason, this is a total scam, they don't ask you to pay anything to earn, though an upgrade is mentioned. However they do try to get you to sign up lots of people to surf.

Now a few of my online friends have gone out & really promoted this program, some have got 20-30 sign ups & aquired a lot of $'s in their accounts, but.... Their accounts suddenly are empty & their sign-ups have vanished.

You did not mention another important isue here called 'phising emails' .

Now then tell me, What good is a referral credit to a company that is not yet open for business?
Where is the $25 being held for you?
When/how will you be paid the credit?
Who is this company being started by?
What kind of privacy/protection do they offer members?
Why does a company that is going to be involved with transferring money, Not require a phone number for it's members?
Whats the Catch?

Not much more information on the pre-registration site...
There is still no contact name, telephone, or address on the site.
There is no privacy policy.

Oh, but wait...

Their whois info does have contact info now....BUT the address given is a rented mail box in the PostalAnnex store (which is conveniently located inside Ralphs Grocery Store in La Jolla)

Aah, but the phone number on my first whois search on Greenzap's was the same as that for Muzumah.com,CardGlobal.com, Jet99.com (the SSL certificate on the Greenzap server is also for jet99.com which greenzap shared a server with) ...

Also interesting reading, a search of the BBB by the whois phone number shows very interesting BBB reports for CardGlobal and Muzumah (which both shared a phone number with greenzap) ( ...the BBB report contains a little discussion on MLM and Pyramid Schemes.

...VERY interesting reading: Do you know anything about those sites?
If you do and still are a GREENZAP friend, then that should give the rest of us a blinking RED light. If you do not know about those sites, then I'm more than willing to educate you.

Damon Westmoreland (owner of Muzumah.com, BestOf.com and partial owner
of Jet99.com) is buried in debt resulting from his illegal scamming in
the Tele-Card and Caruba scams. As reported in Offshore Alert, a
newsletter on international white-collar financial fraud published by
www.kycnews.com, Damon Westmoreland has incurred over $1 MILLION in
tax liens and civil judgments. Public records show no less than 11
judgments again Mr. Westmoreland, one alone $692,207.00 (File
#980411328, San Diego County). This indicates that King Pyramid
himself walked away with plenty of $ while his victims got nothing in
return.

An article about Damon Westmoreland's ThePayLine.com scam (Jet99 Part
I) from another highly credible source, Infoworld:
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/o...livingston.html

Another link to Damon Westmoreland's former SCAM (Jet99's big
brother):
http://www.report-scams.cc/payline.htm

Known Addresses for DAMON E. WESTMORELAND, age 32:

101 State Pl, Escondido, CA 92029
1135 Vulcan Pl , Escondido, CA 92027
2426 Shadyridge Ave , Escondido, CA 92029
3410 Del Lago Blvd , Escondido, CA 92029
3525 Del Mar Heights Rd., #213, San Diego, CA 92130
5086 Playa Portofino Cmno , San Diego, CA 92124
6586 Ambrosia Dr , San Diego, CA 92124
8039 Caminito De Pizza , San Diego, CA 92108
PO Box 420404 , San Diego, CA 92142
PO Box 86332, San Diego, CA 92138

Known Phone Numbers:

Cell: 858-335-7325
Business: 858-453-6188
Business: 858-509-1623

Known Email Addresses:

damon@jet99.com
damon@imortgageco.com
damon@cardglobal.com

Fact, as stated on the Jet99.com conference call: Damon Westmoreland,
CEO of http://www.mazumah.com/ is also an owner of
http://www.Jet99.com. Only under pressure did he admit to this
connection. Mazumah.com was previously represented as an independent
legitimate funding service. The fine print indicates that Mazumah.com
simply acts as a "trustee" of your money, as they are not a licensed
financial management service or depository institution. Because
mazumah.com facilitates its payment through private labeled ATM/
check-cards, they demand that you supply your SSN and date of birth,
plus of course your street address. This enables the Jet99.com
pyramid/Ponzi scam to victimize you in an identity theft scheme after
they take your initial $119. Do you want Damon Westmoreland to have
your sensitive information?

By the way, if anybody sees this guy coming:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~uhadms/images/damon3.jpg/
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~uhadms/images/damon3.jpg/

RUN THE OTHER WAY!!!!!! It's Damon Westmoreland, and he's out to
rip you off!

Now a final word to you. Everyone who have som insight in this business do know that most of the postings on the internet concerning GreenZap, are the verbatim pdfs of the new GreenZap affiliates hoping to reap the referal awards. I did find one site that recommended GreenZap to anyone who 'hates' PayPal. But if we can't trust PayPal now that we know who they are, how can we pretend to trust someone when NONE of the websites, spams, blogs, etc. identify just WHO THEY ARE. Who are they? What is there experience? Who are the banks they claim are supporting them?

I'm just asking....

Now I don’t know about you, but I would expect the company that intends to be a serious rival to Paypal to be a little more imaginitive than what we have found out so far.
The telephone number given at the time of registration of the domain was the same number listed on the BBB as the contact number for Damon Westmoreland.
Anybody remember Caruba? Jet99? Telecard Network? Card Global? Mazumah? Best Of?

When this information started appearing on the forums around, the details were changed yet again.
( I should point out here that all the facts above have been documented)

You still think I am troll-like and a little disturbed in the head?

Go to any search engine and type in greenzap scam and read what others are saying before asking questions regarding my judgement on GreenZap.

[Miguel Bahena]

I agree with you. If a company hides their personal info, then it probably is a scam. Also, I used an e-mail address that I don't even use anymore. So spam isn't much of a problem for me. But just try it out, use a fake e-mail if you want. But when it comes around, we can really find out.

[BBTV]

I agree with you. If a company hides their personal info, then it probably is a scam. Also, I used an e-mail address that I don't even use anymore. So spam isn't much of a problem for me. But just try it out, use a fake e-mail if you want. But when it comes around, we can really find out.

Ok. Then we do agree from time to time. :)

[koala72]

Let's compare PayPal and it's future rival. GreenZap.


i dont think u can compare greenzap to paypal yet.

[koala72]

How many complaints has GreenZap had so far? None, except yours. Possibly, when it opens, there will be a few complaints. But so far none. Why? Becaue no one is losing anything at all. There's no risk involved. You fill out your info, wait until they open. Then see if they are a scam site or not. And if you decide not to sign up, then find out they aren't a scam. You're screwed. Because you didn't want to sign up. Now, after they prove it's not a scam, although they may or may not, you won't get the $25 bonus for signing up. OR the $5-$30 dollars per referral.
i agree (lol for once with this guy :p ) i dont think you can start complaining yet and why wouldnt u signup you have nothing to lose! and if it turns out good theres $25! and home address if ur so worried why not enter a fake one?

[BBTV]

i agree (lol for once with this guy :p ) i dont think you can start complaining yet and why wouldnt u signup you have nothing to lose! and if it turns out good theres $25! and home address if ur so worried why not enter a fake one?


Hmmm.....tell me....did I complain?

Don't misunderstand me, anyone who want to join, do so, but I don't. No problem for me to start a site, and promisse you 1000 USD to join. So lets say that 10 000 000 join GreenZap before start. That is 10 000 000x25. That is USD 250,000.000

Now people with that amount of cash, who are they?
Damon Westmoreland (owner of Muzumah.com, BestOf.com and partial owner
of Jet99.com)?

Be my guest, join.

[koala72]

Hmmm.....tell me....did I complain?

Don't misunderstand me, anyone who want to join, do so, but I don't. No problem for me to start a site, and promisse you 1000 USD to join. So lets say that 10 000 000 join GreenZap before start. That is 10 000 000x25. That is USD 250,000.000

Now people with that amount of cash, who are they?
Damon Westmoreland (owner of Muzumah.com, BestOf.com and partial owner
of Jet99.com)?

Be my guest, join.
wasnt on the net when paypal first opened but they did offer a $10 signup bonus and there the biggest and the best on the net

[BBTV]

wasnt on the net when paypal first opened but they did offer a $10 signup bonus and there the biggest and the best on the net

I can agree about one thing, they cant scam you if they give you 25$ just to sign up, but are they going to pay it? What about your referal? Are they realy going to pay you for them? Or are you the one who pay?

What about Damon Westmoreland?
Think few people love him....hehehe :laugh:

[Miguel Bahena]

Nah. I don't like him. Based on what others have said about past businesses. I've never heard of Jet99 or JuiceBooster. As a matter of fact, I've never heard of Damon Westmoreland or whatever his name is, until I read this thread. Anyway, I'm not promoting this site. I've only signed up. If I get the $25 then that's all well and good. If not, oh well. I wasted a good 2 minutes of my time filling out a form.

[guillermo]

Sorry to say but you can't withdraw the $25...you can only use it to purchase product.

To use Greenzap, you will have to connect your checking account to theirs.

You'll get referal fees $5 when you have wired $100 directly from your checking account to their bank checking account and you'll only get this referal fees when the person you recruited also wired his/her $100 to Greenzap's checking account.

This is the paramid scam engineered by Damon Westmoreland and Sonkin will never tell you that.

Greenzap=funny money

What is so sad is that these promoters will never include the information above in their promotional material?

Where is the honest?

[BBTV]

Sorry to say but you can't withdraw the $25...you can only use it to purchase product.

To use Greenzap, you will have to connect your checking account to theirs.

You'll get referal fees $5 when you have wired $100 directly from your checking account to their bank checking account and you'll only get this referal fees when the person you recruited also wired his/her $100 to Greenzap's checking account.

This is the paramid scam engineered by Damon Westmoreland and Sonkin will never tell you that.

Greenzap=funny money

What is so sad is that these promoters will never include the information above in their promotional material?

Where is the honest?

Thanks....
Forgot to mention that...

[BBTV]

Sad to say it, but have a feeling that PPL who promote sites that are on several black lists, in some way are connected to those sites. Maybe even WM?

[Miguel Bahena]

Wait, what?

When was all of this mentioned?

[BBTV]

I can now say that it finally is revealed that Greenzap is owned by an individual by the name of Linda Murphy — Damon Westmoreland’s right hand person. She is involved with almost all of Damon’s many scamming sites. But we all know that it’s Damon who is pulling all the strings and is a true owner of Greenscam.

http://arcc.co.san-diego.ca.us/services/fbn/SearchDetail.ASP?filing_number=2005008722

Linda Murphy connected to Greenzap,Card Global, Mazumah Inc also known as Mazumah International.
Ms Myo Walsh, connected to Mazumah
Jeff Rogers, connected to most everything D.W. has been involved in.
Michael Hawes, connected to Card Global.
Ms Erica D’Angelo, connected to Card Global.
Nick Hetcher, primary promoter of Greenzap.
Michael Bernstein, connected to Greenzap
Alex or Alexander Sonkin, connected to Greenzap
Sarah Menke, connected to Greenzap

Damon and his scamming thugs are back to do more scamming.

Of course, you’ll never like this information from Jason, Nick, Romy, Sonkin, or Berstein.

Of course, these people will never disclose above information in their press-releases or promotional material.

All they do is mispleading people with the zappy postings. Isn’t this a crime?

Now we truly know it’s Damon who owns Greenscam and he is hiding behind Linda Murphy.

BDW.
guillermo have given the same information before me in the following thread:
http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8906&page=4&pp=15

[aa33030]

The Layout Even Looks Like A Scam

[Miguel Bahena]

That may have been the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

[aa33030]

Most new sites popping up with pretty colorful layouts are scam sites
Notice Paypal has just a basic white & blue layout

[Miguel Bahena]

Looking on the GreenZap site I see three colors.

White
Blue
Green...

[Jarvis]

Something nobody has mentioned yet:

Take a look at this line from their privacy policy.

GreenZap may disclose consumer information to companies affiliated with GreenZap and to companies or other parties not affiliated with GreenZap.

Emphasis added, of course. But in layman's terms, this privacy policy means that GreenZap may give your personal information to whoever they **** well please. Even if this was completely legit, I still wouldn't sign up.

[Miguel Bahena]

Still don't care. We'll find out pretty soon now though. I used an old e-mail address that I don't even use anymore so they can spam it all they want.