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freebiesite

10th April 2005, 00:43

I was just directed to a thread ...note the nasty little remark by blue that what is good for the goose is good for the gander...duhh..NO ...my site, and others..are not behind or scams..

but..here we have the most ridiculous statment I ever saw..this is laughable...good God is this Rob's pr person or what??

this person, TishaReina says >>> "Sites aren't put on the Watch or Boycott list because of cheap shots by members. There are verification procedures they go through before taking those steps. If people have ideas on how to make the process better, there is a thread over there where people can post, debate, praise or trash the ideas.

If someone is on the Watch or Boycott list, there IS a good reason for it. Before going off either list, a site owner has to show that the situation has changed, and is maintaining good standing in payouts etc. "<<<

bullcrap...the first 2 complaints on me were so stupid I can NOT even see how rob sent them to me...here is the first...duhh...one...

"Date: 2005-03-29
Comment: The owner made searches an optional preference but has now deleted any account where search was not selected without giving us a chance to change our options. At the same time she bashes other programs for contributing to "click fraud" by sending non-optional search ads."

NOW...Rob could have looked at my site..which lists the member count...member interests..and seen that I have over 1000 members who have NOT chosen the search interest...over 2000 are opted in to search...he could have read my site..that has bout the strictest rules for taking ads...LOL> but NO he did not..
he could have read the "announcement' I put on his own forum..that I was paying off the remaining 40 or so non search COUNTRY members and deleting them..this first complaint is such a joke...Rob himself now admits it :(

soooo....will someone go alert Tisha reina and let her know that her impassioned post was full of it> as far as I can see they check zip around here....
yet...this same forum let a jerk like april slide by without ever boycotting her LOL

Tisha reina's whole "verification process" is full of it

edited to add the link>>>http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=47852

freebiesite

10th April 2005, 00:56

2nd complaint..

I was able to immediately tell ron who it was..shirley sink..who has posted about me on getpaidforum etc...

"Date: 2005-03-19
Comment: I submitted a search ad to this site and while I got hits on th ad itself I got no credit for the search. I clicked the link and discovered the URL in the ad was wrong. I notified the webmaster hoping to get some form of recompense since I know the ad I sent was correct and have screen prints as proof. The webmaster failed to respond and after several more mails and waiting several weeks I finally reversed the charge through Paypal. I finally received a mail from the webmaster informing me that it was MY fault for not verifying that the ad I sent was correct. I sent the exact same ad to several PTRs and this is the only one to have a problem. Since I cut and paste the ad from a text document I know I didn't change the information. Regardless the webmaster is treating me as if I was wrong rather than even consider that she somehow may have made a mistake. The program should be boycotted."

1) her url was www...which my program scrambled..so her url was NOT right..
2) however...I should have known this, I didnt, it was when I was first using my new program....as soon as brent/imad told me of the scramble problem I sent dear shirley a REFUND THRU PAYPAL...AND AN APOLOGY NOTE

however...this liar continued to post about me there...hours after she got her refund...I nicely asked her if she had gotten the refund, and if so to stop posting about me..then she went ahead and sent this total lie to Rob

not that she says ....."I finally reversed the charge through Paypal"...total bs...she got a refund from me..
she lied about the dates...she turned me INTO paypal immediately..but..I did NOT have to give her anything...this is a virtual purchase and paypal would not make me refund her...the nasty notes she sent me, the way she turned me in so fast, I really did not want to ever run any more ads for her, but i try to do the 'right thing'...I gave this miserable person her 2 buck refund on March 18..
notice..that she sent this to Rob on Mar 19..

she can, if she likes, say she does not like advertising with me, she can say I was dumb to not catch her mistake with her own url...but...she sure as hell should not be able to have me on a watch list when I quickly, and freely , and nicely sent her a refund....after she had already posted many lies about me *ie, she said she sent ad on the 1st, she sent it to me on 3rd, I ran on 4th/5th..on a weekedn adn she turned me into paypal on tues
I did not have to give her a refund...but I did
and I proved it. :) want to see the number??
here ya go...
rob got this info on tues...boy is HE slow...Shirley would turn him in...she turned me in this fast...I guess Rob doesnt have to hustle tho, he can just post hi s "list"...

Transaction Details

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Refund (ID #86382958X5638124F)
In reference to:1JN23531YY035123P

Original Transaction

Date Type Status Details Amount
Mar. 3, 2005 Payment From Shirley Sink Refunded Details $2.10 USD

Related Transactions
Date Type Status Details Amount
Mar. 18, 2005 Refund To Shirley Sink Completed ... -$2.10 USD

Total Amount:
-$2.10 USD
Fee Amount:
$0.36 USD
Net Amount:
-$1.74 USD

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Date:
Mar. 18, 2005
Time:
13:05:15 PST
Status:
Completed

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Note:
Dear Shirley..

I did set up the ad right, exactly as you submitted the url.."www"

apparently the script scrambles it when no "http" is used...

I am sorry for the trouble
Thanks...Cheri

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

freebiesite

10th April 2005, 01:14

"Date: 2005-03-17
Comment: I was deleted even though active for making a post on the forum concerning click fraud. No response to questioning mails and from what I'm told the post was deleted as well. The owner of this program never gave me a chance."

"Date: 2005-03-14
Comment: I asked a stupid question on her forum I guess. Not only was the post delete, so was account on forum and in program. I just ask why she no send my add after two week."

"Date: 2005-03-10
Comment: My account was deleted the day after I posted in another forum in support of a program that the owner of beehive seems to have a vendetta against. I was suspended as I was clicking links so it wasn't for inactivity or for doing anything that I was knowingly aware was wrong. I get no response from the owner when I try to contact her and my forum account has been terminated as well."

Wow....now...fancy the fact I do not delete people for forum posts..but..get this..I CAN NOT DELETE ANY POSTS AT THAT FORUM..lol lol lol

I AM ONLY A MEMBER ON THE FORUM

MANY PEOPLE know I am a technical moron...
I bought the site from brent...
LOL> brent gave me password long ago...I lost it..he lost it....
I can not admin that...LOL

MY name on the forum is cheriwebmaster
I AM A MEMBER..NOT AN ADMIN

http://www.beehivemail.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=127&sid=d10683b87baf293c4ac277e965390057

I can not even remove spam posts or anything else...

i ABSOLUTELY hate spam..but it gets there and I cant remove it..
I cant remove anything...that is why I hate my own forum..and why I just recently bought a NEW forum..where the members will not have to register, and I have lots of other cool things planned.
but that is on hold..I am keeping this forum..as it is PERFECT PROOF THE ABOVE THREE COMPLAINTS ARE FROM LIARS...lol lol

now...I have asked Rob..over and over...to send me what is the 'proof" of these so called "former members"...since they are not awaiting payout ,why shouldn't I know.

I have also asked rob..what is HIS proof?? did these members show him copy of the supposted posts I "removed"?? Or a screenshot of their accounts?? or even an email that I sent them??

the emails where they supposedly "questioned" me about click fraud?? surely they have a copy of that...I have copies of everything..
and I have PROOF...PROOF POSITIVE THAT FORUM HAS NOT BEEN ADMIN BY ME....
anyone with half a brain can go there..see..."cheriwebmaster" is a Member account...cheriwebmaster cant remove posts..even if she wants to..

how funny these liars picked something that is sooo easy for me to prove

now....lets see ....is Tisha Reina right/? Or does give rob wayyyy too much credit...JMO I think rob does a crap job on checking if what he did with my "complaints" is his usual standard...

I wonder..does Rob email these "complainers" and ask for details..when ..where...what....what was user name...do they have copy of letter sent to me..or copy of the "forum post" ....we all know I could NOT delete it LOL

i FEEL THIS IS PROOF ENOUGH

1) first complaint total lie
2) proof that shirley lied

3) I cant delete from forum
4)I cant delete from forum
5) I cant delete from forum

I demand to be removed from that watch list...do the complainers 3/4/5 have any proof you have seen Rob?? how much did YOU check? YOU sure did not check about the "she got rid of all the non searchers"...

however..IF we go back in the ays thread..to posts where Linder etc..are yapping about 'click fraud" and Linder is calling my program piss poor. and linder is yapping along..then ...do we see a pattern?? hmmm...funny that the word "click fraud" is used there..funny that all of these have the same wording, the same 'problem" and focus on my forum...
funny that Linder mentions the forum in that ays thread LOL

and funny that I have asked and demanded that Rob show me proof or get their "proof"...I will happily have a "court" IN a chat room here...I dont care..but I will clear my name.

and please..somebody tell Trisha reina ...nice fairy tale..but NO dice..they dont check anythign around here

bellestraker

10th April 2005, 01:52

It gets a little sad and a LOT tiring to see so many posts "advertising your site"
You never miss an opportunity to make mention of the fact that YOU HAVE THE MONEY to do whatever you want. That you have enough to hire lawyers. That you have enough to pay off anyone and get them out of your hair when they do anything you dislike.( unlike that Linder guy)

Does that make you RIGHT.
Money and paying your bills is a good ( even great) thing but it isnt EVERYTHING.

You also steadily bring up your technical ineptness. Funny how you suddenly decided to let everyone know that your techical knowledge is nil.
During your bash Linder days you have gone into detail about everything he did in running/setting up his site and yet you never mentioned that you had no knowledge of techical things.
It seems that when it came to him...you knew everything about everything.

It seems to me that your only claim to being a great w/m is simply that you HAVE money.

I was actually agreeing with you about being unfairly targeted for complaints and how easy it is to "get someone" with bogus complaints.

Then along comes the usual freebie who seems to feel she should be the only one able to target or bash a site ( with absolutely NO proof) simply basing it on the fact that Linder has used the term click fraud. ( along with thousands of others - including myself)
Do a search. I am sure you will be swamped with replies.

You question why gptb is unable to verify anything.
Possibly because there are so many fools who complain about anything and anyone but also because - those who whine the loudest about it being unfair to make complaints with no proof - are often the most blatant abusers.

You feel that you should be given the opportunity to question everything and to be contacted and have things verified...Yet you continue to make any statement about others that happens to cross your mind.

Then you fall back on...Linder is way behind in payment.
Does that mean its ok to change the rules in regard to him. Its ok to post lies or insinuations about him.
How many times have you STRONGLY implied that it is him who made the complaints because he uses the words "click fraud"

Are complaints or posts against you the only ones which deserve checking.

You constantly say ays is the worst program and yet it is the one you always compare yourself to.
As I said earlier.
If your site is so good why would you not compare it to one you consider the best.( think maybe you will come up lacking??)

Belle

Quote freebie

I demand to be removed from that watch list...do the complainers 3/4/5 have any proof you have seen Rob?? how much did YOU check? YOU sure did not check about the "she got rid of all the non searchers"...

however..IF we go back in the ays thread..to posts where Linder etc..are yapping about 'click fraud" and Linder is calling my program piss poor. and linder is yapping along..then ...do we see a pattern?? hmmm...funny that the word "click fraud" is used there..funny that all of these have the same wording, the same 'problem" and focus on my forum...
funny that Linder mentions the forum in that ays thread LOL

and funny that I have asked and demanded that Rob show me proof or get their "proof"...I will happily have a "court" IN a chat room here...I dont care..but I will clear my name.

and please..somebody tell Trisha reina ...nice fairy tale..but NO dice..they dont check anythign around here[/QUOTE]

freebiesite

10th April 2005, 02:01

bellestraker

10th April 2005, 02:14

But belle...here is the difference....I can prove these are wrong and very unfair...

this is just absurd...

I would think there is plenty of proof elsewhere that other sites owe people money...I would hope rob demands some sort of screenshot or something??

I dont know what you new problem is....you seem to think that a site being well financed is bad?? would you prefer I sit with a 'donate to cheri" button and poor mouth and make people wait to be paid??

and I think that IF you are a member, as u say you are....you KNOW that I do not ask, beg, whine etc for donations or demand searches or yap at the members to buy ads, support site etc....do I??

I dont..and u know it...

these lies are ridiculous...stop trying to twist the subject
the subject is...lies against cheri...that were not verified or checked by this site...and the fact that Rob is not being nearly as responsive or responsible as he should be :(

You are doing the same thing again.
I have never said you plead,beg or demand anyone do anything. Nor have I said the complaints look legit.

What I see happening again is your wanting fair treatment but giving none to anyone else.

You keep saying the complaints against you are bogus ( and from what I see - it is hard to believe they qualify to put anyone on a watch list) BUT.
You say it is unfair that someone can say things about you which are untrue or at least certainly unproven and then you jump in saying/strongly implying that these complaints come from Linder.

I do not even really believe that you think they do and it seems more of your being unable to write a post without accusing Linder of everything that happens - anywhere and to anyone.

I did not say you did anything or that Linder is not behind in payment. I just dont see how you can demand verification and then make wild accusations.

Every time you are called for any of this you reply by saying something silly like.
" are you saying Belle that Linder is not behind" etc. which has nil to do with the post.

It would be nice if this experience of being targeted would make you a little more aware of how it feels and a bit more willing to attempt to make sure that what YOU write is true.

There will always be some jerk willing to lie about a site to make his point seem more valid but the reason for the ays nonsense goes much deeper.

Belle

lil crusader

10th April 2005, 02:40

Cheri: While I have no doubt that you run your site very well and can understand why you wouldn't like to see complaints made against it, the reality is - your site is being treated exactly the same as any other. Not long ago when you were advocating adding AYS to the boycott list (quite correctly), you didn't have a concern about verifying facts or providing proof that the complaints were valid....in fact, at that time you complained that the process was taking too long.

I agree that there are several sites on the Watch List that probably shouldn't be there -- and yours is one of them. But this Forum has to have a way of doing things that applies to ALL programs at ALL times. It can't do things one way for one program, then change all the rules when it comes to another.

If GPTB were to suddenly start catering to certain POs and disregarding complaints filed against certain programs just because, then all it's credibility would go out the window. What was fair for Linder/AYS has to also be fair for you/Beehive -- otherwise, there's no point in this forum even existing.

Take a deep breath and try to look at the big picture. And think about what you honestly would have said if Linder demanded the same things you are.

I'm not comparing your program to AYS in any way, shape or form. All I'm trying to do is point out that if you expect complaints to be proven, verified, etc. when they involve you....then you have to give that same right to any other PO as well....without question, comment, or criticism.

freebiesite

10th April 2005, 10:43

Take a deep breath..???

These complaints are bogus///can other sites show proof they "paid' members who claim to be not paid..I really doubt it

as for "carefully" checking complaints..look at the date.the last one recieved 3/29 and on his silly list on the 1st? this is crap

he could HAVE LOOKED AT MY SITE>.AND SEEN I DONT FORCE SEARCHES>..

this is bull**** and you know it..

LIl...you really dissapoint me...once again

my point here is that there are NO forum posts to back this up...no complaints on my program that are unanswered...

there is nothing fair and balanced about you

Rob

10th April 2005, 11:28

Please see my recent post in this thread: http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?p=47905#post47905

If only you'd calm down and make an attempt to spell correctly, your reputation would be so much better... and this whole affair would have been over so much earlier.

Rob

lil crusader

10th April 2005, 13:47

there is nothing fair and balanced about you

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but for the life of me I can't figure what is unfair or unbalanced about wanting the same rules to apply to EVERYONE.

BBTV

10th April 2005, 14:24

Come on folks....

Anybody can become angry—that is easy; but to be angry with the right person, and to the right degree, and for the right purpose, and in the right way—that is not within everybody’s power and is not easy!

freebiesite

10th April 2005, 15:59

wow..you just do NOT get it do you??? any of you

I was unfairly accused...I knew this...but not given guidelines, or anything or anyway to clear myself quickly

I do think this site should send email to the wm of a program before they list them....hear both sides

in some cases it is cut and dry....the program is obviously behind..in other cases?? there should be some proof required by the complainers or the wm should be able to show proof before it is listed

and....again...I feel this half hearted bs of 'i took you off' and telling ME how to act stinks...
I really think Rob should be man enough to make a full apology, to make a thread stating that the complaints were found to be lacking

this is totally unfair...can I go out and put up a site saying "xyz nail salon give fungus"..NO proof no nothign...."zys restaurant gave people food poisoning"

By the time sites "get here' there are usually tons of complaints on them..and people willing to give real proof....screenshots of accounts etc...
I have asked..but still do NOT know..what sort of proof do the complainers submit/? I am sure that IF ays has actually paid people..and is not behind..that they would also be removed..that would be fair and balanced..

I do know one thing..IF I am wrong, i am woman enough to admit it..and i make it right....give a refund, run an extra ad, give some banner impressions or something...put a cash bonus in a member account....

I would hope that some here are big enough to do that..I would also appreciate the clarification of the post about my "advertising practices"..that sounded really bad...it was in regard to the fact that when one refunds in paypal the ONLY way to do it with premier % taken out...Rob has admitted this to me when I told him that..but I still see no retraction

Rob is holding a lot of power here..that can be used well..or used poorly

I think this site should rethink its procedures, get more helpers/volunteers....
get some clear cut guidelines....and yes, maybe have a policy of telling a wm before doing something like this...
with clear cut guidelines...xyz days behind in payments....or criterea that shows a site is a scam...ie, $1 emails and have to recruit 1000 people to ever get paid....or whatever..more sites that are really harmful could be listed...and NO little group of petty lying vindictive jealous people could do what was done to me

and...let's take a minute here...while you all continue to bash me...let's think about the snot rags who lied about me??
where are their heads at? why did they do this?? why would they try to MAKE OTHER PEOPLE THINK THAT MY PROGRAM WAS ONE TO AVOID??

BBTV

10th April 2005, 16:13

wow..you just do NOT get it do you??? any of you

Hey don't include me.........I didn't even quote you.....

:\ See......You do bite!

freebiesite

10th April 2005, 16:21

Hey don't include me.........I didn't even quote you.....

:\ See......You do bite!

ROFLOL>> well maybe I will start barking too haha...:)

give peeps something more to yap about :)

:baaa: :baaa: :baaa:

lil crusader

10th April 2005, 18:41

Who "bashed" you? I always thought bashing was insulting or personally attacking somebody. I didn't realize simply having a slightly different opinion also fell into the "bash" category.

freecashspace

10th April 2005, 19:30

You'd think there would be 5 or more people making complaints about the unprofessional behaviour we've seen in this and other similar threads.

Or maybe 5 complaints about the deletion of members from non-search-approved countries.

Or maybe complaints about how on the front page it says members are paid within 78 hours of request, but then in the fine print in the TOS, it says that payments through E-Gold and MoneyBookers could take up to 15 days. And then in yet another statement it says that payments may actually be delayed an additional 78 hours for PayPal and up to another week for E-Gold and MoneyBookers!

Or they might complain about the hypocrisy involved in refusing to run ads for programs on one list while complaining about being included on another list.

Cheers,

Wil

freebiesite

10th April 2005, 19:47

you would think that paying people from non search countries..the 40 or so left...before deleting them would count for something right/?

I know of various programs that simply deleted various countries ..and did NOT pay them..maybe we can make a list and report them ok??

and fyi..until this week I had the link to this site on my ad page along with the scam site...I took it down when I was placed on the list due to bogus crap

as for the tos?? Yes, 78 hours for paypal...often sooner....and I have always had that for egold and moneybookers..generally I only pay them 1x per week...

maybe I should put the terms differently...any suggestions/?

I want to leave myself some leaway in case something would go "wrong' or some emergency come up or whatever..yet my goal is to pay, and that is what I do

I have never fallen behind in payments since last sept....
the slowest was when I had to payout the ones I was deleting and clear the site of cheats in a big way, having been hit with a new bot...and I still paid in 4 days...

and..while you are at it..lets also look at the fact that over $13,000 has been paid out all but 600 of that has been paid since last sept by me :)

you want to nit pick.fine...proof is in the pudding..

Oh....so behavior in a thread like this is cause to warn people against a program that pays? How should one act when unfairly accused, when there are NO guidelines, when very little feedback from site that is accusing you, no way to "prove" this stuff??

If what you say is right, maybe i should go look at other tos and see what they say...and revamp mine based on theirs??

I guess I could make "we will pay when we get it" LOL...or whatever??

But seriously...
...if I need to "change' the tos , cool...lets hear some suggestions

got any ideas...any constructive ideas?? what would be good for the tos??

Do you ever say anything constructive or positive??? just curious :)

freecashspace

10th April 2005, 20:13

you would think that paying people from non search countries..the 40 or so left...before deleting them would count for something right/?
Yeah, I think it does count for something. In fact, I think it counts for a LOT. If you'd just deleted them without paying the money they earned, I'd say your program should be on the Boycott List ASAP.

Still, I think its a perfectly reasonable to complain about being deleted from a program because of what country you live in. Especially since according to this post (http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47412&postcount=35), you didn't necessarily pay them all their earnings.

and fyi..until this week I had the link to this site on my ad page along with the scam site...I took it down when I was placed on the list due to bogus crap
Ah, so you refused to accept advertising for any site on both lists, but you didn't really know anything about how programs were added to the lists? Clever. Oh, and since you won't refund an advertisers money if they try to run an ad for anything on the Junk List, you might want to fix the link from your advertising page -- it's broken.

Oh....so behavior in a thread like this is cause to warn people against a program that pays? How should one act when unfairly accused, when there are NO guidelines, when very little feedback from site that is accusing you, no way to "prove" this stuff??
Yes, I think the way you've behaved in these and many other threads could be considered a valid reason to complain. I can understand that nobody likes to be accused, falsely or otherwise, of wrongdoing and that you need to defend yourself and your program. Name-calling and tantrums doesn't really qualify as a professional way to go about it.

Cheers,

Wil

freebiesite

10th April 2005, 20:38

Edited>> I went and fixed the link......thanks
when I removed the link to this site I messed up the html but now it is working fine :)

as for refunds?? I reject the ad and I offer them same price ad

...so far that has not been a problem...I simply let them know I wont run ads for a program on the list..some of that is regulated by paypal too..they dont allow randomizers etc..better safe than sorry

yes, in my letter I said >> " I paid down to the last penny in paypal....to every deleted member....I paid down to 50 cents in egold and moneybookers...and I offered them a chance to email me for one month if they can be paid on paypal or maybe run a banner for them..."

now...the ones with a few cents in their accounts in egold..I will send their egold if they complain.....have YOU ever tried to sit and send egold/? most boring thing in the world that is why I love masspay <grin>
so far I still "have" their accounts in the program....not "purged" yet

so far the 2 upgraded members are staying...fyi...I did not get the money for their upgrades, these were sold before I took over the program in late august 2004.....tho I have honored all former upgrades all along.......I just chatted with one today...we are going to see how it goes

I have only one left to figure out...a guy who did have a good downline, but is in negative accounts, and is not upgraded.....what would YOU suggest??

what would YOU suggest for the upgraded ones too?? I am not sure that they will earn much from their downlines...right now they are hidden in the program....and are recieving general mails to all

one reason I did stop decide to get rid of the few remaining ones was
I could no longer find ads for them...how could they hit the 25% activity level to earn from a downline???

the rest ( I think about 7 people) have NOT answered, or emailed me..tho I offered to run banners for them...or...whatever..

IF they really wanted it, I could sent them the 20 cents or 30 cents or whatever in egold??

However..maybe they didnt even understand the mail?? Maybe...just maybe..the ones that did not respond were in violation of a cardinal rule of my program>>>> KNOW ENGLISH????

As for the way I behave....I find this ridiculous
FYI....I actually am very nice to my members. <grin>

I am not sure that one should be all sweet and cutsie poo when being unjustly accused

I think I have every right to be livid....this has been really really unfair
I did everything I could think of to get a response to get information as to HOW to fight this...what was the problem etc...there is NO easy way to fight these complaints here..no guidelines..

maybe that is one good thing that could come out of this...rules that meant something....mlev was working on that...a database sort of thing...
maybe that is the way..

kezree

10th April 2005, 20:40

All I am seeing is a WM behaving badly:

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8503&page=2&pp=40 (Rant and rave 1)

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8744 (Rant and Rave 2)

Your problem has been solved you proggy is off the watch....granted you should probably not been put on the watch list...yet you continue with the nastiness. I mean really calling people "snotrags" wow now thats very professional....and what does it acheive??? Nothing apart from maybe feeling a little better on your part. As far as I, and obviously others, can see the minute someone has an opinion different to yours you are being "bashed"

You really do need to take a step back and take a really deep breath and calm down. By all means try to get the methods used changed but stop flying off the handle all the time, stop being so aprupt and stop with the name calling. The only thing you are acheiving is to look like a child stamping it's feet because they can't get what they want when they want...

koala72

10th April 2005, 20:55

freecashspace

10th April 2005, 21:31

as for refunds?? I reject the ad and I offer them same price ad

...so far that has not been a problem...I simply let them know I wont run ads for a program on the list..some of that is regulated by paypal too..they dont allow randomizers etc..better safe than sorry
Yes, I understand potential danger of upsetting PayPal. My point was that you've been perfectly happy to reject ads based on these lists, yet apparently you didn't really know much about how they work. I wonder how many honest programs you've unfairly punished by refusing to run ads for them?

now...the ones with a few cents in their accounts in egold..I will send their egold if they complain.....have YOU ever tried to sit and send egold/? most boring thing in the world that is why I love masspay <grin>I've never sent more than around a dozen E-Gold payments in a single sitting. Not the most exciting thing, but not exactly on par with watching paint dry. I don't really see what that has to do with anything, though. The members earned the money, so why not pay it to them?

I have only one left to figure out...a guy who did have a good downline, but is in negative accounts, and is not upgraded.....what would YOU suggest??

what would YOU suggest for the upgraded ones too?? I am not sure that they will earn much from their downlines...
What would I suggest? I'd suggest not deleting members because of where they live. I think paying them is a good idea if they're not likely to earn the minimum required any time soon because you don't have any advertisers that want to send them any ads, but why delete them? You didn't delete other members who don't get many ads, did you?

However..maybe they didnt even understand the mail?? Maybe...just maybe..the ones that did not respond were in violation of a cardinal rule of my program>>>> KNOW ENGLISH?
Sure, maybe so. I guess since that's the only possible explanation, you don't have to feel bad about deleting them and taking their earnings.

Cheers,

Wil

freebiesite

10th April 2005, 21:50

Actually I have never had to reject an ad for anything on the boycott list or really even on the scam list....maybe more people have good sense??

No one ever sent an ad for them

what I do reject are "randomizers", "investments", a casino

the other day I had a difficult former member sent me a targeted ad for about 2 bucks...and in it she promised to pay $10....in 45 days...to signup for a program under her.....45 days?? Ouch....I actually just went ahead and refunded her ad....I dont need people asking me in 45 days "where is my money "...I can not guarantee she would pay them $10....way too risky>>>LOL

so I think the guidelines are good...as for this site? I was NOT linked to the watch list but to their boycott list so...I think that is different??

~~~~~~~~~~~~ your statement that I somehow took a lot of money from people is sooo wrong...I have NOT allowed new signups from "non search countries" since last sept....for a long while things went along..and non search members got paid...and then....once i had the ad manager...the ads for them got even worse..it soon became "easy" to exclude them.

in fact, with a 14 day activity requirement I found myself running an ad for "roboform" or an ad to "vote for beehive" just to give them something to click on...since I do not belong to any other programs I had nothing to send them..no ads for 14 days I could have just deleted them for inactivity..and that was really the next step..that would have been easy on me :)

~~~~~~~~~~~ The few who were not paid have 30 days to dispute it...one who was paid, and who was running a ptsup ad with me asked for a refund on that and got it....I am also in touch with another guy while I figure out what to do with his account...people who can and do speak english are welcome to contact me via my msn name....I am open for chatting...

soo....those who could not understand the mail or dont speak english really did NOT "earn" anything did they?? they should have been outta there anyhow.....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~ One thing I do think would be good are some general "guidelines" for programs..what is good, bad...what is fair for all??

I think that until you would ever sit there and go thru the truly mindnumbing boredom of deleting those members who click an invisable link from a "log" you dont know what that is like...I once did 400 of them...until I could barely see LOL...really hard..

I try to figure what is "fair" and right...one thing I loosened up on was the silly interests...I suspend them...IF they ask, in english ..to be reinstated, or say sorry or give an excuse I let them back...and warn them to be careful in future..at least I know they do speak english...the ones who do NOT email me or ask are the ones I just leave suspended and then delete...

One thing I wont "loosen up" on is people with duplicate accounts...and people who use bots..and people who send fraud funds etc to try to buy an ad....I think one has to use common sense and some judgement...and just try to be fair

maybe rational dialogue about that would be productive

freecashspace

10th April 2005, 22:09

in fact, with a 14 day activity requirement I found myself running an ad for "roboform" or an ad to "vote for beehive" just to give them something to click on...since I do not belong to any other programs I had nothing to send them..no ads for 14 days I could have just deleted them for inactivity..and that was really the next step..that would have been easy on me :)
That's another aspect of activity requirements that I've never really understood. It seems that with a lot of programs, if members aren't interested in searches, they're not likely to get many emails. If I choose "Automotive" and "Crafts" as my interests, should I be deleted and lose all my earnings just because no advertisers have targeted my particular interests for a couple of weeks?

I think your idea of sending them something is better than just deleting them out of hand.

Cheers,

Wil

freecashspace

10th April 2005, 22:35

your statement that I somehow took a lot of money from people is sooo wrong...
I never stated that you "somehow took a lot of money from people."

I think taking a little bit of money from people is wrong, too.

Cheers,

Wil

freebiesite

10th April 2005, 22:48

I never stated that you "somehow took a lot of money from people."

I think taking a little bit of money from people is wrong, too.

Cheers,

Wil

and again...their accounts are sitting dormant in my database...so far no one has emailed to ask for money....
do we need to use babelfish or ??

~~~~~~~~~~

as for activity...??

the fact is that with the ad manager advertisers could see there were 11 people in china, 12 in russia,5 in india, 1 in vietnam..

they could easily check the other countries...or...I even had them write to me....in the memo space on the ad form..."I'll buy the ad to all, just leave out xyzzz countries"....

the ad manager..."dynamic pricing" was sort of a double edged sword really

I think it has many advantages..but it can work the other way also
in the case of a site with such a small number of non search country members.....7 months of letting no new ones join...I started to get many more ads for other programs that restrict country membership..

and no ads for the other members

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ and please...until YOU sit and delete over 400 cheat bot users, please do NOT tell me that "cheats come from everywhere"...sorry that is just not true...the fact is that many of these people probably dont know that we think they are cheating..they just think they are doing what we 'want'...making clicks..that is what the jerks who recruit them make them think

unlike a lot of people I actually talk to guys in china who speak english..and i have learned a lot...various smart jerks set up sites, forums..and distribute the cheatware...they get these people under them in lots of programs....they even will help write a letter to the wm...they help them learn how to fill out the forms to join..anyone who is a wm can attest to the "funny" addresses the chinese members put in ..

fact is ..many of them do NOT understand a word of english. or even our alphabet....they dont think it is 'wrong"...they just think they are doing what the forum guy told them....put in the software, give the clicks..get the money....:(

freecashspace

10th April 2005, 23:17

and again...their accounts are sitting dormant in my database...so far no one has emailed to ask for money....
do we need to use babelfish or ??
I'd be surprised if any email and ask for the money. A lot of PTR members seem to take being ripped off by POs as "par for the course."

as for activity...??

the fact is that with the ad manager advertisers could see there were 11 people in china, 12 in russia,5 in india, 1 in vietnam..

they could easily check the other countries...or...I even had them write to me....in the memo space on the ad form..."I'll buy the ad to all, just leave out xyzzz countries"....

the ad manager..."dynamic pricing" was sort of a double edged sword really
Yeah, I understand how the ad manager could impact some members. More and more, I don't like advertising through programs that don't have it. Too much hassle. And when I buy an ad, I often stop and ask myself if its worth targeting a country with 1 or 2 or 6 members. Sometimes I don't, but other times I think "Well, that 1 member might be a buyer!" and add it to the list.

I just never understood why a member who chooses "Automotive" and "Craft" as her interests and may only get 1 ad every 3 months would be deleted for inactivity. If she reads that ad and clicks that link, it seems to me she's 100% active.

and please...until YOU sit and delete over 400 cheat bot users, please do NOT tell me that "cheats come from everywhere"...sorry that is just not true...
No, I'm sure you're right, Cheri. Nobody from a search-approved country cheats, and all the cheaters come from non-search-approved countries. I've always been particularly suspicious of members from non-search-approved countries such as Gibraltar, Greenland, Ireland, Monaco, and Vatican City.

Cheers,

Wil

bellestraker

11th April 2005, 00:41

[QUOTE=freebiesite]
the ad manager..."dynamic pricing" was sort of a double edged sword really

I think it has many advantages..but it can work the other way also
in the case of a site with such a small number of non search country members.....7 months of letting no new ones join...I started to get many more ads for other programs that restrict country membership..
and no ads for the other members
:([/QUOTE

I am really glad you got the watch list issue resolved. Hopefully the more careful and fairer way of alerting w/m's and allowing them to challenge complaints will apply to all ( and will help to stop the bogus complaints )

I seem to be misunderstanding something else you are saying though.

You were upset before about people saying you deleted members from non search countries or for not searching( and you felt it was ok because you paid them off)

Yet in your quote above you say that you have stopped them from signing up for the past 7 months.

No matter what the wording may be...Is it not fair to say that your site is geared almost exclusively to searches and if members are not searchers...they will not be able to reach payout (unless they do the ptsu.)so they are therefore deleted ( If they are already members)

The last time I asked you said that you have lots of ptsu's but that was not what I had asked.

According to the news on msnbc it would seem that searching will soon go the way of the dinosaur.

Even though I think searching numerous times per day is ripping off advertisers I will find no joy in what closing it down will do to many sites.

Hopefully there will be other ads to take their place.

ftr. I do admire the way you run your site as well as your efforts to be fair to members and obviously no one can fault you for being pissed about the bogus complaints.

And I do hope that you are able to replace the search ads as well as learn a bit of "There but for the grace of God - go I"

From a reply to me yest. - I do not think that having money is a bad thing ( NO WAY lol)but I do think that those who have money are very fortunate.
( whether it is inherited or earned) and I do not like to see anyone feel that they are above others simply because they can "afford " to be.

With the end of searches a few sites who have been paying regularily may find themselves in trouble.
Does that mean they suddenly becoming scam w/m's?

Of course not...As I said before. Having no money does not make you dishonest - anymore than having it makes you honest.

Have a good one

Belle