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rejs
18th August 2002, 17:17
After waiting over 3 months to see if they would finally pay those of us who had earned $30, or more, we finally got told last week that:
1- the new policy is now $100 minimum
2- Payments will start again in October. BUT: it will be based on using 50% of their revenue for payments and will be on a prorata basis. So, if they can only pay 10% to all members, you'll get $10 of your $100. So far they have not answered me regarding whether you now have to get to $100 again before being eligible for another payment. If that is the case, it would take another 2 months for a person who has no referrals.

Yes, that's right, a member with no referrals will have to work their program for 20 months before being eligible for payment, and then you have no guarantee you'll ever get it.

I have had a heated discussion with them over the past 4 days.
Keep in mind that until April 2002 their policy was you could get paid about 30 days after reaching $30. I had $41, my wife and stepdaughter also had over $30.............In my first email, I let them know that I was not going to sit still and stand for it, and that I was prepared to file Attorney General complaints along with complaints to any agency that wanted to field it. Their reply was that as I now did not accept their membership terms, they would cancel my account within 48 hours unless I stated otherwise.
They have tried many times to get me to concede that they have the right to change their terms whenever they want, and they even threw it in my face that I was a free member.
I also pointed out to them that their own site's front page states "Earn Cash for every quiz every time". As that infers getting paid when you have conformed to their rules, they effectively have engaged in deceptive advertising.
Now, by the third day into this, they added to their main page you get after logging in a very long paragraph related to my complaints. Here is a good portion of it:

IPTL cannot and will not tolerate members who want to continue to be an active IPTL member while at the same time deliberately seeking to undermine IPTL by spreading caustic information designed to discourage others from joining or participating in IPTL.....a blatant unwillingness to accept and abide by IPTL's terms, actions and policies, or an assertive attempt to undermine IPTL will only result in automatic membership cancellation.....we are rather referring to such things as pro-active spreading of defamatory remarks on the web which indicate that IPTL is being less than honest and upright in its dealings with its members.

The bottom line is they claim to have a staff - I am sure they are getting paid. They are also planning a massive advertising campaign. It's not very funny that they decided they could not pay any of their members.


I plan to do everything I can to fight them, but I cannot do it alone. Please be free to leave URLs for sites that will help in this cause and inform others that IPTL cannot be trusted. It is also necessary to get the word spread by as many means as possible.

Please remember, they allow any age to join. Can you imagine how many children and teens have had to come to terms with this action......not to mention the lesson about trust they have just been taught.

Hector316
18th August 2002, 17:53
I understand your concerns regarding this company.

All online rewards programs can change their terms of service at any time based on financial or any other circumstances.

Its always outlined in their 'Terms of Agreement'. Sometimes its in very fine print and other times its in bold letters.

I've been member of IPTL since June 21, 2000 and had wait 1 year for the program to start.

I only got paid once by Paypal which was when they started the program.

First 3 months of the start of the program was wonderful and after that it went downhill.

All they are now going to do is cancel your account and they have done this before to many other members just because they either disagreed with them or made a suggestion they didn't like.

They had more than 1 year to recruit advertisers and members so this sudden change is obviously unacceptable for myself and many other members.

I'm just going to wait until October and see if any other changes are made so I can make my final decision on when to resign my membership with them.

rejs
18th August 2002, 18:17
I know virtually all online companies have that statement - that they can change their terms witjhout notice.

So tell me, how would anyone like it if their employer changed their terms regarding their employment.

While I hate the idea, it's time to get legislation to make all internet companies live up their word. Of course, that will never happen as long as the majority are willing to accept being taken in.

ppe1952
18th August 2002, 19:43
If you are a free member with no referrals nd play to the 4500 point level each month it will take you 2 years to get to $100. that is way too long!!!!!!! at this point i only play when i think about it and i have found that their questions do not reset when you have finished all the questions in a catagory as promised. so some day you will have no questions

micama
19th August 2002, 03:36
ppe1952 concerning the reset of questions

You have to finish all questions in the row you are doing for example if you are doing beginner once you have done all the categories in that column it does indeed reset. I know as I do the hard categories and they do reset :)

As for the negative opinions of others regarding this program I do not agree.

I will continue to do the quizes and support the site :)

I have been paid once and have every intention of being paid again.

IPTL could have easily just closed the site but they have always been up front with any problems they may have.

Of course the 4500 max points is a bit limiting but if you become a gold member like myself you can easily earn a few dollars.

I give this program a thumbs up :)

rejs
20th August 2002, 23:00
I just received the official word from IPTL -

The trigger for any payment in any month is a current balance of $100, so your illustration would be correct. If a partial payment took the balance under $100, then it would have to rebuild to $100 to be eligible for another payment in a subsequent month. You see, since members can spend some or all of their cash balances at anytime online, we will not be tracking why a balance is what it is. We will only look to see if a cash payment is desired, and if the current balance is $100 or more.


For anyone who wishes to file a complaint, go to :

www.ifccfbi.gov

Based on their business model (IE - how they intend to make a profit), your chances of ever getting paid in full are slim.

It must be nice to be an online company. How many people in the real world would keep working for someone who pulled this type of stunt?????

rejs
20th August 2002, 23:03
Only a moron would put up with being teated this way.

lnauroth
21st August 2002, 01:16
Like Hector316 I did IPTL when it was new and fun and had a lot of potential. No more. You can go to any posting board and read the complaints of people not getting paid and being ignored or treated rudely by the owners.

Work a program for 2 years to MAYBE get paid A PERCENTAGE of what you earned??? I don't think so. Yes, all programs have incorporated the legalese that allows them to change the rules. The good programs tell their members before they do it and give them options.

To the person who suggested gold membership - I'm very glad it works for you. Personally, if I spend money to upgrade it is with a program that has a proven track record of paying their members and treating them fairly (even the members who disagree with them). IMHO there are much better programs out there than IPTL

rejs
21st August 2002, 09:01
I would love to have the URLs for the other message boards.
We need to get complaints filed by as many people as possible if we ever stand a chance of getting paid as we should have.

Kindly email them to me at rejs98@yahoo.com

toxox
22nd August 2002, 09:49
They admit quite frankly that they do have financial problems and problems to survive. They ask their users to help them think of a solution.

This program would be worthwhile even if they didn't pay at all. I would rather have them lift the 1 question every 2 minutes limit that really hurts the normal us of the site.

StashuJ
24th August 2002, 00:53
IPTL is a classic example of someone who jumped in with both feet without testing the waters. They allowed way too many members from the get go--which made the server so slow that people got disgusted. Then they sunk a whole bunch of money into a new server and compounded their own financial problems. People got tired of hearing the excuses month after month and now their roles are filled with disgusted people like me just waiting to get paid. So they jacked up the payout rate to a hundred bucks, as if they can pay a hundred when they couldn't pay 25, then 30.
But I learned a valuable lesson from them--don't push your friends to join stuff unless it has proven itself and don't believe in the money until you see it.

Angie
3rd September 2002, 15:31
So is IPTL coming on the boycottlist now?

StashuJ
3rd September 2002, 15:40
I don't know if I would jump up and tell people to boycott IPTL but they haven't paid anyone as promised and even though I enjoy the trivia games and play once in awhile when I have nothing important to do, I don't promote IPTL because I was really embarassed when I got people to join, we all spent money to keep it alive, and they still haven't paid anyone I know a dime.

Too bad, too, because I think their intentions were good.

toxox
3rd September 2002, 16:00
In my humble opinion the best thing they could do is rename IPTL to CTL (click to learn) or something like that and forget the whole paying idea. They would still be a very good website.

But even as a paying site they don't deserve to be boycotted. They admit they can't pay everyone in time, but they also try to do as much as they can, and to be as honest about as possible. Paying the ones taht earned most (currently over $100) first, and only as much as they can. Yes, that is bending the rules a bit but they are not even reducing the amount that you are entitled to get. Not even lowering what they think is a fair price for a correct answer. I agree that as a pure get paid program they aren't worth much, and they could be listed under bad programs here but not under boycotts.

And yes they did pay a number of people while they still had money. That is the main reason they have problems now.

Finally, you can spend your earnings on advertisements if you want to do that. Since they do have loads of players that might in fact be a good idea.