Mamacita-emails.com Paid me 5 Times and what!!!!

[MARCUZ]

Woo hoo Awsome Wm Everyone Shows what these hagger heads knows come get Adminstrators ha ha ha ha

[hjohnson]

Dude your English SUCKS! Congrats on getting paid 5 times though.

[lil crusader]

You've gotten $250 from a website that undersells ads terribly and has a debt of over $18,000 from sign-up bonuses alone?

I'm having a hard time believing that one.

[MARCUZ]

Hey lil Crusader dont be hatin!!!!!! :p :p :p :p

[lil crusader]

I said that I found it hard to believe you've been paid $250 (5 times) by this site....what does that have to do with "hatin' " ???

(Your comment makes about as much sense as Teddy Long does.....zippo.)

[lil crusader]

Hmmm, the TOS say that only one payout request will be honored every 30 days which means that in order to have been paid 5 times, this PTR would need to be over 5 months old since it would take 150 days to make payout 5 times.

Mamacita's opened in mid-February which makes it only about 135 days old.

5 payouts at this point in time are impossible per Angie's terms.

[MARCUZ]

Yeah it may say that she pays within a week or request. So i dont be waiting 30 days.

[lil crusader]

I'm not talking about how quickly you get paid - I'm talking about how often.

The TOS very clearly state that only 1 payout request will be honored every 30 days.....translated - you can only get paid once a month.

The program is not old enough for you to have already made payout and requested and received it 5 times!

If you have, you are in violation of the program's TOS for requesting payout too often and the WM is in violation of her own TOS for giving it to you.

I don't believe you.

[MARCUZ]

I will get info how long, shes been here, because the I joined this program in mid janaury. She didnt have many mails as now. But I think your jealous. cause your payouts are like 3 bucks ha ha ha ha ha

[MARCUZ]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, your so funny

[lil crusader]

I will get info how long, shes been here, because the I joined this program in mid janaury. She didnt have many mails as now. But I think your jealous. cause your payouts are like 3 bucks ha ha ha ha ha

Yep, that's it Marcuz - I'm so jealous of you I can hardly stand it.

Even if you joined in mid-January (which I don't think you did) that's still not logically enough time to reach 5 payouts of $50 each.

Guess I'll just drop a note to Angie and ask her about this. I'm a member too and if violations of TOS are going on, I want to know about it.

[Tmarie99]

It's possible, but HIGHLY unlikely. If he joined mid-January, he could have requested payout mid-Feb, March, April, May, June... That's five months, HOWEVER, I find it hard to believe that anyone can earn 50 bucks five months running.

[MARCUZ]

yes its possibel when you have over 100 in ur downnline thats very active, you guys are so jelous that I almost made 250 bucks. Just cvause you guys dont have a downline. I thought u guys didnt support unstainable programs.

[MARCUZ]

Talk about tos but isnt her site already against tos when people get paid less than a month you said? Your dumb if you think that way, cause if you knew anything about people said, then you wouldnt be saying that, Know what your going to be bashing every post i make. Im going to say I got a random payout in another program, casue your not a member of it. Clear channels is now dealing with Howard Stern. For the first time Tmarie. howard stern was nerver part of Clear Channels.

[MARCUZ]

I guess your so successful you have all the time in the world to bashing people. Do you know math, it's immpossible for the first month yes, but whne u have large downline, 5o bucks its considered what one pay out right, So when I have 100 bucks, I asve it then I redeem it, isnt that two payouts together. I redeemed only three times, but my 55 dollar payout i must have to wait. Yes so if you want to be accurte lil crusader. My fifth payemnt I havent recieved but im so positive, that I think i got paid 3 times. This is my thrid redemtption, give me time soon I will give u a snaphot of my account, I dont know how to do it yet. But Ill find a way so I can show you my downline!!!!!!!! So you all can feel so stupid!!!!!!

[Tmarie99]

yes its possibel when you have over 100 in ur downnline thats very active, you guys are so jelous that I almost made 250 bucks. Just cvause you guys dont have a downline. I thought u guys didnt support unstainable programs.

ALMOST???? You either reached payout 5 times and made 250 or you didn't.
You just caught yourself in your own lie.
Man! You are one big, fat lying dog, aren't you?
You said you've been paid 5 times, then you say "almost 250", THEN you say, <<I think i got paid 3 times. This is my thrid redemtption,>>

I wouldn't believe you if your tongue came notarized. You've lied three different times IN THIS THREAD.

[MARCUZ]

Ill give ya my snap shot, so ya can slober over my money, ha ha ha.

Your I got paid three times in total of 250 bucks meaining that 5 payouts. 50 dollar pay outs. in three months. 100 each redemption!!!!

[Tmarie99]

What kind of loser "slober"s over 250 bucks?
My KIDS are making 3 times that this summer, each, in a study at one of the universities here. My 6 yr old is making 750 bucks in 28 days, my 10 yr old is too.
250 bucks, in FIVE months??? LOL My husband made that yesterday.

[MARCUZ]

Your problem is you dont see the bright side of things, thats why Wm tell me to stay aqway from this forum. Thats what they noticed about you guys, Im here too help other people to get with good programs with honest Wm, and also advertisers. I dont care if your kids made more than that. Good for them. Im sure they make more than you, and you depend on ur husband to pay the bills, is that why your here alot. I hope not. Cause it seems like ou wont have a future in ptr. Yeah and you can say there no future in ptr, thats fine, but please this is a thread for what I had written, your gettting to every thread, and bashing me. Im going to have to report you to Lexie. People here assume, Im not a cheater, Lier, and hagger head. I do have people on my side to back me up, but I dont need them. I know my own facts. From now on, I will be ignoring your posts , and others who dont have a positive feed back towards my threads, I didnt even get a congrats, you guys are not so humble. I congrat alot of people, I dont make assumptions. This world must live on that, Just like George bush did, He assumed a lie. Take care you all, please dont post here no more Tmarie and other negative people. Thank you. If you do bash me again then I will report you.

[Tmarie99]

I don't "depend" on anyone. That would mean that I am not doing anything. I am a stay at home mother. As for bashing, I'm not the one who made the pervert remark, for which you never apologized.
I'm also not the one who changes my story several times in one thread.
Read your own last post, you bring whatever you get upon yourself.

[MARCUZ]

Like I said I will make you a Snap shot. So you can feel so small, after you seeit. you just feel threatened. thats why you bash. your all afraid of this young american of hispanic roots kicking your buttocks in income. Dont be scared, just smile. Too all americans, ignore the ignonorant :baaa:

[Tmarie99]

This Hispanic lady is not EVEN concerned about whether you will make more money than her.
You said you'd been paid five times. You lied. Why would I feel small about that? You're the one who lied.

Ignore the ignorant is a very good suggestion.... I think I'll start by ignoring you, since you have proven, more than once, that you are, indeed, very ignorant of how corporate America works. :music: :music: :music: :music: :music: :music:

[MARCUZ]

Blah Blah blah, You dont know how to read. I will report you fro calling me a liar. If you want more proof that other got paid more than me, then Im grand to show it you. So please stop with you accusations. I got paid 5 times meaning I have total of 5 payouts, but you guys are taking it the wrong way, I requested 3 times of total of 255,09 cents, that 5 payouts, Payout = 50 bucks a piece. Thats my interpretation

[MARCUZ]

oh yeah if your a member than you would know gottgob
he make over 350 a month from mamcita-emails.com but Igues you dont belive that one too, I gotta see if your going to post anything about this. her percentages are high thats why is high, but I cant wait to post my snap shot. I will find a wya to show the Gpt My snap shot so you can shut up. Im going to be laughing my butt off!!!!!

[Tmarie99]

When did I say you are lying about being paid? I SAID you lied about how many times. You either have five redemptions or three. You changed your story, what would you call me if I changed my story like that?
When did I say I was a member?

[MARCUZ]

I I said i had 5 payouts. that dosent mean I requested it. But yes I been paid the total of 5 pay outs. Are u attacking less because your afraid to see the snap shot of my account!1 I could get paid 5 payouts within one month. How I redeem it in total

[MARCUZ]

Cause it seems ya didnt know what i meant

[lil crusader]

yes its possibel when you have over 100 in ur downnline thats very active, you guys are so jelous that I almost made 250 bucks. Just cvause you guys dont have a downline. I thought u guys didnt support unstainable programs.

I personally do not support unsustainable programs in any way....I do, however, join one or two on occasion just to have an insider's view of what is going on in them. I never promote programs that I feel are unsustainable and couldn't care less about having a downline.

You do realize, I hope, that on the grand scale of things in the PTR world, a downline of 100 is pretty small. And anyone who brags about how much their downline earns for them is definitely not someone I would ever be jealous of.....Why would I be jealous of somebody who is content to let others do the work while he/she reaps the benefit?

Sorry - I don't do it that way.....I like to earn my own money -- not rely on others to earn it for me.

[MARCUZ]

If you knew that I have to be as active as my downline to make revenues from them, didnt you know that, I have to 85 percent active. And other thing thing the reaon why they have referral levels is so that they can bring in much more viewers. So why not help it. If not then the programs dosent survive. Like you guys said these programs nned more viewers, and those less than 1 cent link websites dont have that. What are you going to advertise searches, and make them fall down also. Ya just free loaders. In order to help the ptr world must bring in more viewers. One thing bad about this, there needs to be a sysytem or big advertisers wont advertise at all. The funny thing I rather Get money for viewing ads because then at least i get discounted on a product. If Gillete advertise for me to save, Ill go do it. So you have no idea woman. what your are talking about, ou can do better advertisng here, because you can print stuff if u have a printer. ha ha ha

[lil crusader]

You don't have to be 85% as active as your downline if your personal earnings requirement is $10 out of $50.

And here's a newsflash....referral percentages are only a requirement if you have a "what's in it for me?" attitude about promoting a program.

[Tmarie99]

If you knew that I have to be as active as my downline to make revenues from them, didnt you know that, I have to 85 percent active. And other thing thing the reaon why they have referral levels is so that they can bring in much more viewers. So why not help it. If not then the programs dosent survive. Like you guys said these programs nned more viewers, and those less than 1 cent link websites dont have that. What are you going to advertise searches, and make them fall down also. Ya just free loaders. In order to help the ptr world must bring in more viewers. One thing bad about this, there needs to be a sysytem or big advertisers wont advertise at all. The funny thing I rather Get money for viewing ads because then at least i get discounted on a product. If Gillete advertise for me to save, Ill go do it. So you have no idea woman. what your are talking about, ou can do better advertisng here, because you can print stuff if u have a printer. ha ha ha
I'm not even a member and I know more about the program than YOU do.

<<When can I request payment?
You may request payment after you have earned the minimum payout of $50 with at least $10 in personal earnings.>>
FYI, Simple 4th grad math, 10 is one fifth, TWENTY percent of 50.
You're the one who has no idea, boy.

[MARCUZ]

Let me tell you something all business even putside businesses have people who promote, thats the point of business growing. I use to work for viniyl and signs shop, and I use to promote for them, and i get percentages in the people I bring. So again please stop it already. Of couse theres A whats in to for me. Especially if a person brings a bach of people, why not that helps the business grow.

[MARCUZ]

She told me 75 percent active as my downline sorry thought it was 85 percent but its 75 percent she told me. So uh duh !!!!!!!!

[Tmarie99]

She told me 75 percent active as my downline sorry thought it was 85 percent but its 75 percent she told me. So uh duh !!!!!!!!

Then she BETTER change her FAQ answer. Because she say in the FAQs she says, <<You may request payment after you have earned the minimum payout of $50 with at least $10 in personal earnings.>>

10 is NOT 75% of 50 either. Again, BASIC 4th grade math, 75% of 50 is 37.5, NOT 10. Now, You really need to learn basic math before "duh" comments to any of us, esp. me, since I was a MATHEMATICS Major in college.

[MARCUZ]

i found in there also 75 percent look hardef

[MARCUZ]

every one knows you have to be 76 percnet active to collect revenues from others

[Rob]

Ill give ya my snap shot, so ya can slober over my money, ha ha ha.

Your I got paid three times in total of 250 bucks meaining that 5 payouts. 50 dollar pay outs. in three months. 100 each redemption!!!!


Wanna share some with me, MARCUZ? :laugh:

Seriously though, MARCUZ and TMarie99, it's clear that you have differences of opinion, and that's fine and healthy... but please don't resort to name-calling and personal attacks, they're needless and don't help your point.

I'm not blaming either one of you for starting or continuing the trend, I'd just like to ask you informally to cool things down a bit :)

Thank you for your co-operation,
Rob

[MARCUZ]

whats your pay pal account? Thank you Rob, im trying to let every one they can make money on this site. you know what Rob you have gpt investigators, you should hire them for the GPT investigating team lol

[Tmarie99]

See, Rob? How can anyone be polite to him? He's too stupid to understand that the SITE OWNER says that you only have to have $10 of the $50 pay out, THEN turns around and makes snide remarks like this... <<you know what Rob you have gpt investigators, you should hire them for the GPT investigating team lol>>

He is rude to EVERYONE. He has called EVERYONE who has ever disagreed with him stupid or dumb or "haggerhead". I will not show respect for anyone who does that. He doesn't deserve it.

[MARCUZ]

Trying to be nice but you want to make everyone turn against me, thats fine do what you please. Thought I was the one to do the whining like you said. Hey Rob it was just a joke. Hey I was helping you Tmarie, so you can have other things to keep you busy since your a house wife. Dont make me go back there again. please

[MARCUZ]

Im not saying im humble but Rob seems to be humble cause i got into somethings with him, and he let it go, that shows hes on a better level than all of us, and if you cant admit that ur also havent been nice, than I feel sorry for you ladies, but Rob is the better man here

[Tmarie99]

Trying to be nice but you want to make everyone turn against me, thats fine do what you please. Thought I was the one to do the whining like you said. Hey Rob it was just a joke. Hey I was helping you Tmarie, so you can have other things to keep you busy since your a house wife. Dont make me go back there again. please

You'd BEST stay away from my life, sonny. I will tear you apart, I don't care what anyone else has to say about what I have to say, I promise you, you will see one wicked side of me.

[MARCUZ]

you cant barley touch my heart. What makes you think you can tear me apart. You dont wanna mess with me in person. I grew up in the ghetto dont go making threats, i already told you dont go there, and ur still doing it. You dont want me to diss you.

[Tmarie99]

you cant barley touch my heart. What makes you think you can tear me apart. You dont wanna mess with me in person. I grew up in the ghetto dont go making threats, i already told you dont go there, and ur still doing it. You dont want me to diss you.
You have ALREADY repeatedly dissed me.
I'm sure your mother taught you respect, and I'm sure she wouldn't be happy to see how you talk to your elders. Stop and think, "Would I say this to my mom" before saying something derogatory.

[MARCUZ]

There both funny! i cant stop laughing. Ya must have nothing else to think about. ha ha ha ha ha :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Do any of you ladies have a instant message so we can debate this faster, this really taking to long, im about to have another heart problem. Im gonna pray tonight that god Brings you both peace. Your not bad people, i forgive both of yous, and I hope you forgive me. I pray for both of yous tongiht. Peace Marcus

[Tmarie99]

Yes, I have an instant messenger, but I don't trust you. I won't forgive you either until you apologize for the disrespect you have shown EVERYONE in here. Esp. Lil Crusader, I know her better than anyone else in here and she has always been the best person I've ever met.
I never forgive anyone who refuses to apologize.

[MARCUZ]

Great I forgive you any way bye

[Tmarie99]

When no offense has been committed it's easy to forgive.

[MARCUZ]

ill quote for every one to see, that you told me to shut up and shut up for me just giving my opinions, then Ill show when you called me a flake. You was the one that lit the match, so your the one to end it. Ill quote the tgime and days,and if you can prove that i was the first then i will apologize but if you cant then. Then Ill take my forgivness back. And you apologize.

you commited an offence unless you forgot.

[Tmarie99]

Shall I quote the pervert remark you made? When did I make any ugly sexual innuendoes with YOUR name in here? How about all the names you have called EVERYONE who disagreed?
I don't want anything from you, little man, you have nothing. If you did, you wouldn't feel the need to talk so much about it.

[MARCUZ]

yes you can do that, but the point is dont start something that you cant finish. And for one thing did you ever hear of the sanfransisco 49 ers, thats what I meant. If you belive my english is so bad, how come you wont belive that. lol Go ahead but post the time, it does matter what I said, it matters who said what first. Who ever pulls the trigger has the right to shoot back. according to the police law. the right to defence. If this was to go to court i will win. Its the same thing with declaring war. Al queda attacked now all there people are paying for it. i know a wrong and another wrong dosent make a righht. I should have stood up in a higher level than you. Thats my fault I learn from it. I should have ignore your immature remarks.

[Tmarie99]

You didn't SAY "49" and you didn't apologize for what you claim was an error.
IF it had been an honest mistake you should have apologized. But it wasn't. You made that pervert remark in the same manner you make ALL your diserespectful remarks to everyone in here.
If you were a real man you would have said you were sorry that's not what you meant and you would have edited the post. But you never did, proving exactly what I've been thinking of you all along, and showing everyone the kind of "person" you are.

[MARCUZ]

Who called who first? Tell me who called who first?

Answer that!

[Tmarie99]

I called you first, NEVER denied it. I won't apologize because YOU got filthy.
You showed extreme disrespect to everyone LONG before I said you are a flake.
YOU crawled down into the gutter with the "69" remark. You showed you're not a REAL man, or even a grown up. A real man would apologize for the remark and a grown up would never have said it in the first place.

[MARCUZ]

To tell me too "shut up, shut up" and call me a flake is nasty for me, its disrespectful, If you didnt like getting disrespected, why did you go and do it? The one who has to apologize is you, YOu said b4 you in ur other posts that you didnt offend me! So now your changing your lies and you have no one here to save you.

[Tmarie99]

I have never lied. You've done enough of that for the entire membership of this site.
YOU got slimey and showed what a perv you are, not me. You're the one scrambling to cya. LOL

[MARCUZ]

here let me quote your lies for everyone too see

[MARCUZ]

When no offense has been committed it's easy to forgive.
There you stated that you didnt state that, well here it is! lol back!

[Tmarie99]

When did I say I didn't?
Never said I didn't call you a flake. I said I didn't do anything wrong. Calling you a flake was a direct reaction to the idiotic and utterly disrespectful comments you made to many people. It wasn't wrong. Everything that anyone has said in here pales in comparison to the pervert remark you made.

[MARCUZ]

That i said anything bad to any one!

[MARCUZ]

She didnt admit it first, And itold her I forgive her, and except for being humble and saying i forgive you back, And she couldnt prove anything, she retired the debate. I guess Persistence over comes resistance, She was the one who stated that Why am I running, Ijust wanted to leave this alone, im not running. She told me to shut up for honest opinions, and called me a flake, I didnt even disrespect her. The point here is people dont start something and not fininsh it. Tmarie99 finished it. Without an apology. It dosnet bother me, But it bothers me that she couldnt forgive back. she didnt say sorry, And i forgave her, but she wrote me that she didnt commit any offence. I quoted. what she didnt admit. Now shes retiring. Im glad you found you way out Tmarie, and God bless you. I hope the same goes for others. Again I got paid total of 25 0 bucks every one.
Im getting a snap shot soon ok!!!!

[lil crusader]

Being a member, I obviously know how many emails are available and what their values are.......wow, there must have been a huge drop in the number being sent out - I've gotten a grand total of 4 or 5 PAID mails in 3 days and they've all been exactly the same kind of thing seen in every other PTR - what happened to all the "different" kinds of ads that you said this program regularly sends out?

Everything else has just been nonpaid emails asking members to buy ads, upgrade their memberships or buy raffle tickets (in other words - put money into the program).

I don't care how big of a downline you have or how active they are - if the last few days are any indication, this program doesn't send nearly enough mail for anybody to have possibly accumulated $250 in such a short time.

And if a WM has to send out 7 nonpaid "please put some money back into this site" emails in 2 days, that's not an indicator of a program that is doing very well.

[MARCUZ]

you just must have joined yeah, that program sucks lil crusder you really wont make any money there

[lil crusader]

I haven't been sent any search ads, but I'm not complaining about that at all. I guess her searches are all targetted (bravo for that!)

So now are you saying you didn't make $250 after all? LOL, you need to either keep track of what you say better or hire a secretary....you contradict yourself constantly.

[MARCUZ]

yeah i rather stay humble, then to be investigated by an old crabbie woman

[MARCUZ]

Where u live in central perk, where the heck is that? I hope your not talking about Central park. I thought you lived in Indy

[lil crusader]

Where u live in central perk, where the heck is that? I hope your not talking about Central park. I thought you lived in Indy

No, I'm not talking about Central Park.....unlike you I do know how to spell. I said Central Perk and I meant Central Perk.

[MARCUZ]

You must of had a bad life, to be so yak yak.

[lil crusader]

Yak yak?

Dare I ask what that means, lol.

[MARCUZ]

Yeah it means to be a chatter box.

[darkcloud]

You've gotten $250 from a website that undersells ads terribly and has a debt of over $18,000 from sign-up bonuses alone?

I'm having a hard time believing that one.

Well I have been paid twice for a total of about $90.00 and both times were in well under the 30 days. I was just kind of wondering how you know so much about the site debt of this PTR? Do you have a way to get in and look at the books that nobody knows about or are you just working the numbers that you know about?

[mamacita]

I am sorry if I am not welcome here but I was told by a member that someone here reported me for NOT PAYING!

First! I do pay my members and they have all been within 30 days just like my terms say!

Mamacita Emails has been online since Feb. 17, 2004.

I send those nonpaying advertising promos for members only, no I am not begging for money for the site because I don't have to. Also you forgot to say that the other nonpaid emails are Referral Contest Updates, Raffles and so on. My site grows rapidly and I want to be sure that the new members are aware of what is going on within the site.

I think it is pretty pathetic that someone would sign up just to see what my site debt is like. You also have no idea how much in Redemptions, Revenue from my Searches and other revenue. Don't bash when you have no idea what is going on. hehe

I really don't care if any of you like me or any of my sites but yes it offends me when I hear that you are gossiping about sites not paying when they do!

Well, Everyone have a great day!!

Angie

[AloraLyric]

I was just kind of wondering how you know so much about the site debt of this PTR?
*wild guess as to how she knows* ;)

$ 3.00 Sign-up Bonus X Total members: 6,945 = $20835
$20835 = debt from sign-up bonuses alone


I am sorry if I am not welcome here but I was told by a member that someone here reported me for NOT PAYING!
Everyone is welcome here (unless they have been banned). :)

[darkcloud]

*wild guess as to how she knows* ;)

$ 3.00 Sign-up Bonus X Total members: 6,945 = $20835
$20835 = debt from sign-up bonuses alone

That's all fine and dandy but site debt is not site debt if it's been paid already. I know that my $3.00 sign up bonus has been paid several times over and if mine has been paid I'm sure others have too so that sort of wears down that figure doesn't it? So again I ask where her figures come from?

[lexie]

Everyone is welcome here (unless they have been banned). :)

Ditto to that! And hello mamacita.

[AloraLyric]

That's all fine and dandy but site debt is not site debt if it's been paid already. I know that my $3.00 sign up bonus has been paid several times over and if mine has been paid I'm sure others have too so that sort of wears down that figure doesn't it? So again I ask where her figures come from?
Well, I'm glad yours has been paid. With over 6,000 members, I highly doubt that everyone's signup bonus has been, though.
You are correct - paying wears down that figure. However, the email prices don't cover the cost, therefore, adds even more.
For example - taken directly from the advertising page: 3 Cent Solo Email to 500 Members $3.50

3 cents X 500 members = $15
That's a $11.50 loss PER ad sold. Not including referral percentages and assuming that's guaranteed clicks.

[darkcloud]

Well, I'm glad yours has been paid. With over 6,000 members, I highly doubt that everyone's signup bonus has been, though.
You are correct - paying wears down that figure. However, the email prices don't cover the cost, therefore, adds even more.
For example - taken directly from the advertising page: 3 Cent Solo Email to 500 Members $3.50

3 cents X 500 members = $15
That's a $11.50 loss PER ad sold. Not including referral percentages and assuming that's guaranteed clicks.

That has nothing to do with what was said. The comment was about site debt because of the referral bonus. I wanted to know where the figures come from? (notice that is a present and not past term)

Too many off the wall comments get made that hurt peoples reputation with no consequences at all. Angie runs good sites! She does everything she can to make everybody happy! Nobody has lost money! Everybody has gotten paid within the terms! Why not give her a break? Why stir up garbage when there is no garbage to stir? Go pick on some of the sites that deserve to be picked on.

[Tmarie99]

Darkcloud, the point is that people need to know these things before getting involved. It's just not smart to sign up to a program that looks doomed before it even gets going really well. I, being new to ptr and ignorant of lots of things, appreciate that there are people who will take the time to do the math and show numbers. It saves me a lot of time when deciding who to sign up with.

[AloraLyric]

That has nothing to do with what was said. The comment was about site debt because of the referral bonus. I wanted to know where the figures come from? (notice that is a present and not past term)
I answered that question.
The comments weren't "off the wall".
I never said the site was bad.
And I'm not "picking on" anyone - just pointing out some facts.

[darkcloud]

Darkcloud, the point is that people need to know these things before getting involved. It's just not smart to sign up to a program that looks doomed before it even gets going really well. I, being new to ptr and ignorant of lots of things, appreciate that there are people who will take the time to do the math and show numbers. It saves me a lot of time when deciding who to sign up with.

I agree with you but you need to know the truths and not the off the wall comments made by people that don't know. lil crusader said she had site debt of $18000.00 i believe it was from signup bonuses. That's not true. When she pays people that goes down. That is an untrue statement and does not give you a good guide to go by. It just tells you what someone else "thinks".

I have been paid twice on Mamacita and that's not even including Diva, or Chico and soon to be Mami. These are facts and not just thoughts. There is no need to put out a fire until a fire exists.

I have belonged to these so called sustainable sites and I have clicked and clicked and clicked and made about $3.00 in the time that I have made $50.00 on one of Angies sites and they both paid. Now with a sustainable site you would click for almost 17 months to make $50.00. Now you can do the math.

Think about it.

[Tmarie99]

I agree with you but you need to know the truths and not the off the wall comments made by people that don't know. lil crusader said she had site debt of $18000.00 i believe it was from signup bonuses. That's not true. When she pays people that goes down. That is an untrue statement and does not give you a good guide to go by. It just tells you what someone else "thinks".

I have been paid twice on Mamacita and that's not even including Diva, or Chico and soon to be Mami. These are facts and not just thoughts. There is no need to put out a fire until a fire exists.

I have belonged to these so called sustainable sites and I have clicked and clicked and clicked and made about $3.00 in the time that I have made $50.00 on one of Angies sites and they both paid. Now with a sustainable site you would click for almost 17 months to make $50.00. Now you can do the math.

Think about it.

At least the sites were around for 17 months.... Think about it.
How many people can say the same thing you can? Has every person been paid? Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that anyone who starts out 20+ grand in the hole is running something I want to put my time into.

[darkcloud]

At least the sites were around for 17 months.... Think about it.
How many people can say the same thing you can? Has every person been paid? Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that anyone who starts out 20+ grand in the hole is running something I want to put my time into.

That's fine you don't have to. Nobody is asking you to do anything that you don't want to do. But that doesn't give anybody the right to bad mouth a site with false numbers.

Now if the site went down and nobody got paid then that's a different story. Do what you have to do. But so far, as far as I know, everybody is getting paid.

[lexie]

I agree with you but you need to know the truths and not the off the wall comments made by people that don't know. lil crusader said she had site debt of $18000.00 i believe it was from signup bonuses. That's not true. When she pays people that goes down. That is an untrue statement and does not give you a good guide to go by. It just tells you what someone else "thinks".

I have been paid twice on Mamacita and that's not even including Diva, or Chico and soon to be Mami. These are facts and not just thoughts. There is no need to put out a fire until a fire exists.

I have belonged to these so called sustainable sites and I have clicked and clicked and clicked and made about $3.00 in the time that I have made $50.00 on one of Angies sites and they both paid. Now with a sustainable site you would click for almost 17 months to make $50.00. Now you can do the math.

Think about it.

Even if some have cashed out and collected the $3 bonus, if there are 6000+ members and 200 have gotten paid, the bonus part of the debt only is reduced by a mere $900. Double that and say 400 have gotten paid in the last 5 months and the bonus part of the debt only is reduced by $1200. Being very generous and lets say payouts have been made to 1000 individual members (to ONLY focus on the bonus monies) in the last 5 months. The bonus part of the debt only is reduced by $3000 . And doesn't at all focus on any other earnings by all active members.

Even before pondering the above ,I didn't think lil's or Alora's statements were off the wall. They're simply reasonable calculations.

[lexie]

I've just had a look at the site and if I am very generous and assume that all payouts on the site were each individual members and all collected cash redemptions, then less than 400 individual members were paid the bonus -- thus far.

$16,203.51 paid out.

Still being generous, figure each reached the $50 payout -- cash money!

$16203.51 divided by an even $50 (to remain generous to the site) payout = 324.07 members x the $3 bonus = $972.21 reduction in the bonus debt ONLY.

I think it's very far to say that this $16,203.51 is not a reflection of reduced bonus monies alone, eh?

Yall feel free to check me and factor in anything you deem fair.

[darkcloud]

I've just had a look at the site and if I am very generous and assume that all payouts on the site were each individual members and all collected cash redemptions, then less than 400 individual members were paid the bonus -- thus far.

$16,203.51 paid out.

Still being generous, figure each reached the $50 payout -- cash money!

$16203.51 divided by an even $50 (to remain generous to the site) payout = 324.07 members x the $3 bonus = $972.21 reduction in the bonus debt ONLY.

I think it's very far to say that this $16,203.51 is not a reflection of reduced bonus monies alone, eh?

Yall feel free to check me and factor in anything you deem fair.

Have you factored in the percentage of the people that have and are going to redeem their $3.00 bonus for advertising that requires no payment at all? Have you factored in any percentages of how many people are going to remain active and collect any money at all? If you're gonna be fair then be fair.

You don't have the numbers so you can't make the assumptions!!

[lexie]

Have you factored in the percentage of the people that have and are going to redeem their $3.00 bonus for advertising that requires no payment at all? Have you factored in any percentages of how many people are going to remain active and collect any money at all? If you're gonna be fair then be fair.

You don't have the numbers so you can't make the assumptions!!

Sure I can , since I'm not basing the figures on nothing. YES, I DO have at least some of the numbers (member count, min payout and $$'s paid out) and did everything in the SITES favor.

Now, if 1 or 6000 members redeemed the bonus for cash ads, then the monies have just been just been redistributed and no site debt would have been reduced.

[lil crusader]

I am sorry if I am not welcome here but I was told by a member that someone here reported me for NOT PAYING!

First! I do pay my members and they have all been within 30 days just like my terms say!

Mamacita Emails has been online since Feb. 17, 2004.

I send those nonpaying advertising promos for members only, no I am not begging for money for the site because I don't have to. Also you forgot to say that the other nonpaid emails are Referral Contest Updates, Raffles and so on. My site grows rapidly and I want to be sure that the new members are aware of what is going on within the site.

I think it is pretty pathetic that someone would sign up just to see what my site debt is like. You also have no idea how much in Redemptions, Revenue from my Searches and other revenue. Don't bash when you have no idea what is going on. hehe

I really don't care if any of you like me or any of my sites but yes it offends me when I hear that you are gossiping about sites not paying when they do!

Well, Everyone have a great day!!

Angie

I don't think anyone ever accused you of not paying. I know I personally told a now-banned member of this forum (who keeps coming back cause he's so clever) that I did not believe he had been paid 5 times since February for a total of $250.

I was basically accusing him of lying about how much he's made in such a short time -- that's not the same thing as saying you don't pay anyone.

You were obviously given the wrong information and I'm pretty sure it was by the same person who can't tell the same story from one hour to the next.

And of course you're welcome to post here.....why wouldn't you be? I hope you'll stay and post more often.

[lil crusader]

darkcloud: It's just basic math that applies to any program that offers any sort of sign-up bonus:

# members x sign-up bonus = automatic debt before a single ad is clicked.

This is not picking on any program -- it's something that is true for all PTRs that offer a bonus of any amount and it's why I'm so against sign-up bonuses.

Also, the "total paid out" figure on just about every PTR in existence does not only reflect actual cash that has been paid -- every time a member makes a redemption for an ad, the amount they redeemed for is added to that total. That's how some of the junk programs like Dream Star Mail can have such a huge "total paid out" amount -- the reality is that only a mere fraction of that amount is actually cash.

I'm not picking on anyone and neither is Alora.....we're just stating a fact about the PTR industry.

[Robynsthe1]

[QUOTE=mamacita]I am sorry if I am not welcome here but I was told by a member that someone here reported me for NOT PAYING!

First! I do pay my members and they have all been within 30 days just like my terms say!

Mamacita Emails has been online since Feb. 17, 2004.

I send those nonpaying advertising promos for members only, no I am not begging for money for the site because I don't have to. Also you forgot to say that the other nonpaid emails are Referral Contest Updates, Raffles and so on. My site grows rapidly and I want to be sure that the new members are aware of what is going on within the site.

This is Robynsthe1. I want to tell you something about Mamacita emails, and her other 3 sites. There is NO ONE... and I repeat, NO ONE, who is more honest, cheerful and responsive as Angie. I have seen it all... there are "cold <edited>" out there... I have been a member on some of their sites. :baaa:

There have been those who have folded without a word and took their members dreams and cash with them.

Angie is NEITHER of those. I have been paid $30 once, I have $30 in process of payout, and I would have been paid another $30 next month, but I chose to sink the money into advertising instead.

I don't know who this Marcuz is, but he needs to learn two things: 1) How to gather his facts properly and 2) how to spell.

It bothers me that ANYONE can come in and write trash. There is a law against that. It's called libel, and it's a crime.

[Tmarie99]

Ummm, there has been no libel. Marcuz was singing the praises, the rest are questioning the veracity of his claims. 5 payouts, 250 dollars in barely 5 months.
No one was buying it. Then it was 3 payouts...
There has been no libel, Questioning is perfectly within our rights. Look at the numbers as they've been presented, and then tell us how they are libelous. Libel would be known lies, that's not what went on here.

[Robynsthe1]

TMarie99... or whoever you are... my name is Robyn... THESE are the FACTS... the rest of what all of you say is conjecture.

1) Angie DOES pay her members
2) The site(s) are NOT going under... no matter how much you all, with your bitter sarcasm and doubts seem to want it to
3) Angie is CONSTANTLY exploring new avenues for revenue... and NOT just for HER pocket... but to help her members

How do I know this? Because I am a friend of hers as well as a member... and I don't make friends lightly, nor do I suffer fools gladly.

Now why don't all of you start acting like human beings and talk trash about certain sites that DESERVE it... I could name a site or two whose name begins with "A" and disappeared without a word and without paying...

If this is a TRUE forum, you should be talking about regulating ptr sites so they can't rip the hearts out of poor folks who are only trying to work at bringing some pennies into their homes.

Or you could talk about how to form a real governing body for ptr sites that would stop offenses against members, acting like little autocrats (if you don't know the word it means "tyrant" or "despot" or "dictator").

How about that... instead of uninformed gossip, hmmm?

[Tmarie99]

Who's talking trash? EXACTLY where do you SEE trash?????
What, no one is allowed to ask questions because it's your friend's site? Wrong.
IT's NOT uninformed gossip. It's people who KNOW ptr who are looking at the claims and the outrageous sign up bonuses and ASKING GOOD QUESTIONS.

Trust me, sweetheart, the friends of the wm coming in and getting their panties in a knot and screaming "trash talk" and "libel" DO NOT HELP THE SITE LOOK ANY BETTER. As a matter of fact, EVERY time someone makes rude remarks instead of sensible answers it makes me wonder why this site has SUCH a hard time with questions. What does it have to hide that make y'all so eager to scream and throw such hissy fits over QUESTIONS?

[Robynsthe1]

Ya know TMarie99 (99 what? year born? lol) You have ultimately decided to avoid the very real questions I DID raise... like how come there are ptr sites out there that DO completely hide what they are doing? Angie does not... and although you would like to term my protests against your UNINFORMED and I mean just that, UNINFORMED, comments... okay okay... questions ;) ... you obviously have nothing better to do than pick on a site where there is an honest, responsive webmistress.

I wouldn't care if she wasn't my friend... she still would be defended by me as the webmistress of an honest site... I have to stand in line for my payouts just like anyone else... your "questions" as you like to put it, are nothing but thinly veiled jabs at what you THINK might be unsustainability, when there are many sites out there who have webmistresses that are autocratic, uncaring and downright criminal in their actions towards their members... they TRULY are out for number 1.

So, instead of focusing on them, you go after one of the few who really cares about her members. That makes YOU and YOUR statements... okay okay "questions" :\ a bit suspect... and I would bet I'm not the only one to think so... just the only one ready to stand up.

And by the way... "don't let it smack ya where the good lord crack'd ya" is so old its... well... fossilized.

[lexie]

Ya know TMarie99 (99 what? year born? lol) You have ultimately decided to avoid the very real questions I DID raise... like how come there are ptr sites out there that DO completely hide what they are doing? Angie does not... and although you would like to term my protests against your UNINFORMED and I mean just that, UNINFORMED, comments... okay okay... questions ;) ... you obviously have nothing better to do than pick on a site where there is an honest, responsive webmistress.

I wouldn't care if she wasn't my friend... she still would be defended by me as the webmistress of an honest site... I have to stand in line for my payouts just like anyone else... your "questions" as you like to put it, are nothing but thinly veiled jabs at what you THINK might be unsustainability, when there are many sites out there who have webmistresses that are autocratic, uncaring and downright criminal in their actions towards their members... they TRULY are out for number 1.

So, instead of focusing on them, you go after one of the few who really cares about her members. That makes YOU and YOUR statements... okay okay "questions" :\ a bit suspect... and I would bet I'm not the only one to think so... just the only one ready to stand up.

And by the way... "don't let it hit you where the good lord split you" is so old its... well... fossilized.


Robyn ,

Take your owe advice and act like a decent human being. Leave you personal insults at the door.

BTW, an FYI. Attention for boycotting will not be brought to any program unless persons w/ a complaint come forward. We are not GPT police. We are an information medium and most definatly here to discuss whatever issues concern incentive earners. You a completely welcome to start a topic on GPT reform , governing or the likes if you please. However, that is not Tmaire99's responsibility unless she so chooses.

Thanks,

Staff

[Meroveus]

I'm currently in queue for payout with Mamacita. Will let you know within 30 days if I get paid or not. :)

Darkcloud, in calculating the likelihood of a site paying out, we look at the figures we have and make educated guesses. I think - hope - everyone knows there are no guarantees. There are sites that appear sustainable that fold, and sites that seem unsustainable that don't. But as a general rule, sites that sell ads at an apparent loss are a lot more likely to go under. At least, in my review of sites I've seen go down, this seems to be a pattern. But yes, it's always possible the webmaster has other ways of offsetting the loss. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I can't join every site, so this is part of how some of us pick and choose.

If a webmaster wants to come into a thread where we're talking about "unsustainable numbers", they are welcome to do so. They can give us any reassurances they want, or simply address specific comments, or they may even choose to explain how they offset the apparent losses with other aspects of the site. I'm not suggesting they owe anyone such an explanation, but some have chosen to do so.

Angie, I think you were given a worse impression of what's been said about your site than is actually the case. But I commend you on defending yourself respectfully and without attacking anyone. Please feel free to comment more in this thread, or any other.

Mero

[Tmarie99]

Ya know TMarie99 (99 what? year born? lol) You have ultimately decided to avoid the very real questions I DID raise... like how come there are ptr sites out there that DO completely hide what they are doing? Angie does not... and although you would like to term my protests against your UNINFORMED and I mean just that, UNINFORMED, comments... okay okay... questions ;) ... you obviously have nothing better to do than pick on a site where there is an honest, responsive webmistress.

I wouldn't care if she wasn't my friend... she still would be defended by me as the webmistress of an honest site... I have to stand in line for my payouts just like anyone else... your "questions" as you like to put it, are nothing but thinly veiled jabs at what you THINK might be unsustainability, when there are many sites out there who have webmistresses that are autocratic, uncaring and downright criminal in their actions towards their members... they TRULY are out for number 1.

So, instead of focusing on them, you go after one of the few who really cares about her members. That makes YOU and YOUR statements... okay okay "questions" :\ a bit suspect... and I would bet I'm not the only one to think so... just the only one ready to stand up.

And by the way... "don't let it smack ya where the good lord crack'd ya" is so old its... well... fossilized.


Blah blah blah... No one is supposed to question anything that you believe in, yeah, we get it. Now, take your childishness back to her because tantrums and hissy fits WON'T make me respect you OR the site.
With tantrum throwing babies defending her she better be good because you are not helping.

[Robynsthe1]

Blah blah blah... No one is supposed to question anything that you believe in, yeah, we get it. Now, take your childishness back to her because tantrums and hissy fits WON'T make me respect you OR the site.
With tantrum throwing babies defending her she better be good because you are not helping.


Well well well... okay... sniff sniff, sob sob... I will crawl away with my tail between my legs... yeah, right... again you just ignored a perfectly good suggestion... you bore me.

And lexie, I have something for you as well... you completely missed my point... I DEFINITELY don't think that this little forum would be the institution that IS needed to keep some of these autocratic, despotic and thieving webmistresses/masters from running rough-shod over some poor folks who are trying to make a penny to bring into their homes.
MY suggestion is... instead of whining and complaining about who is sustainable and who is not, why not help to organize a REAL ptr governing body, that would help people... someplace they can turn to... a registry of site owners that would aid in keeping the opportunists out of the ptr business and saving the little guy the heartache and wasted time of working at something only to have it be taken away... do you get my drift now?

There is no responsibility anywhere in this ptr world... why do you think trade unions came into being? To maintain the rights of workers... well, I think someone should organize online for ptrs... and I think sooner rather than later. Then we would ALL be too busy to say... geeeee... is Mamacita going down the tubes? We would be out there, stopping websites who are committing highway robbery... and I don't see ANY of you talking about them.

[Good Charlotte]

Well Said Robyn, I agree. I been in PTR for Two years, and I totally agree :cool: Ignore them. Love Mamacita-emails.com its the best. :D

[lexie]

Well well well... okay... sniff sniff, sob sob... I will crawl away with my tail between my legs... yeah, right... again you just ignored a perfectly good suggestion... you bore me.

And lexie, I have something for you as well... you completely missed my point... I DEFINITELY don't think that this little forum would be the institution that IS needed to keep some of these autocratic, despotic and thieving webmistresses/masters from running rough-shod over some poor folks who are trying to make a penny to bring into their homes.
MY suggestion is... instead of whining and complaining about who is sustainable and who is not, why not help to organize a REAL ptr governing body, that would help people... someplace they can turn to... a registry of site owners that would aid in keeping the opportunists out of the ptr business and saving the little guy the heartache and wasted time of working at something only to have it be taken away... do you get my drift now?

There is no responsibility anywhere in this ptr world... why do you think trade unions came into being? To maintain the rights of workers... well, I think someone should organize online for ptrs... and I think sooner rather than later. Then we would ALL be too busy to say... geeeee... is Mamacita going down the tubes? We would be out there, stopping websites who are committing highway robbery... and I don't see ANY of you talking about them.


No , I believe it is you that have missed the point. Feel free to start a thread on how to govern all, even those "autocratic, despotic and thieving webmistresses/masters ....." if you please. That brain storming may lead to something. If you're not willing to take on that mantle, then please don't complaint we aren't doing what you think we should be doing.

But if members wish to continue to discuss unsustainablity, since that is one of the many concerns of incentive earners , they are and shall remain very welcome to do so.

Get my drift now?

[AloraLyric]

The original poster has requested this thread to be closed.
It's off-topic and not exactly nice in here, anyway.