Complaints

[rattler015]

If I am looking to the ads I have placed, and the reactions I got, I will have to proclaim, that I have done NOTHING wrong!
Yet several people say I am Whining and try to place me in a wrong site of view, whilst they know I am right.
Thank you so very much in giving me your support, but why don't we try to get things together and ban those evil site owners that only want to TAKE our money without giving back anything?I thought this page was meant to oppose all those that try to earn something over the backs of honest people, without returning anything, but with regrets I have to say, they will let all go all go on, without doing anything!
Thank you so much, GPTboycott, in NOT doing what YOU PROMISE!
So what is worse, sites that say more then they offer, or sites that say that they are opposing and do otherwise then they promise?

[lil crusader]

I directed the following post to you, rattler, in the other thread you started with this same title elsewhere on this forum. For whatever reason you seem to have not read it, or if you did, you chose to not reply. I'm going to assume you just overlooked it by mistake and to help rectify that, I'm reposting it here in hopes you'll read it and pay attention to what it says. You've only been a member here for one month and it's apparent that you have a lot to learn. The following is a good place to start that learning.
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Rattler: If your motive is truly to expose fraudulent sites, then that is commendable. However, you are alienating virtually this entire forum with your "I know more than you do" attitude and overall arrogant and rude behavior.

That is NOT the way to get people to pay attention to you - at least not on this forum!

You're a pretty new member here and while that in itself is not a bad thing (we all were new at some point) what IS bad is the way you've just stormed in here and expected everyone to pay attention to no one but yourself and have even taken it upon yourself to try to tell others which threads they may and may not post in.

A lot of us have been around for a long time and trust me, we don't appreciate anyone trying to take over, especially not a newbie who doesn't know us and who we don't know. We're all equals here and no one monopolizes our conversations - ever!

Now you seem to be particularly upset that there hasn't been more of a response to your attempts to "expose" bad programs - and by that I'm assuming you mean the ones you listed in another thread on this forum. Let me explain to you why that is...

Basically, most of the programs you listed were "exposed" long ago and few of us were ever members; those who were have left them. Some of them are actually on the brink of closure, if they haven't already closed down. So in essence, your "fraud" announcements were old news. Now I realize that you might not know this because of your newness. That's why I highly recommend that you go back and read some older posts made before you joined....You'll be amazed at how much info there is on both good and bad programs.

Now here is another piece of advice that I sincerely hope you will take: Before joining ANY program, do some research on it! You can do a search thru posts here on this forum, or search the General Discussion and Complaints folders on GPF -- everyone has had bad experiences with programs and more than likely, you'll be able to read about them between here and GPF, thus keeping yourself from experiencing the same thing.

There have been a lot of great posts made on both forums about what to look for in a PTR and I sincerely hope you have been reading them and paying attention to what they say. Too many people, especially newbies to PTR, fall for the high links (wow! 20 cent emails! HOTHOTHOT) type garbage that is out there and they don't see those high payouts ($100+) as bad things...All they can think of is how rich PTR is going to make them.

WRONG! If you're in PTR to get rich, you've made a grave error rattler, because it just ain't gonna happen. And if you really believe ANY program owner is going to pay you $150 or $200 just for clicking on emails, then you've obviously got a LOT to learn about what PTR is and more importantly, what PTR isn't!

That list of PTRs you posted is a good sign that you've made some pretty bad choices when it comes to signing up for programs and I certainly hope you've learned from those bad choices and don't repeat them. It's not likely you'll find many of those junk programs on the boycott list here, though, simply because it's pretty much common knowledge that the programs are worthless and there is already an unspoken boycott in place against them. There isn't any need to take the time to formally list the programs that so obviously will never pay their members.

How about if you start asking questions, or seeking out advice from others instead of so arrogantly acting as if yours is the only opinion that matters? I think you'll find people are a lot more willing to listen to you if you show that you're also willing to listen to them.

This is a great forum and we learn from each other every single day -- there is no reason why you can't learn with us. And when the situation calls for it, we fight back against problems in the PTR industry -- there is no reason why you can't fight back with us.

The only requirement is that you have to leave your attitude at the door, because I think you've already seen that it has no place here - we're just regular people who sometimes make mistakes and sometimes do things right......But none of us is better than anyone else.

So what do you think?

[rattler015]

I am so glad you told me what I have been doing wrong, yet you
forgot to mention, I did NOT have had the messages you send before!

You may blame me for anything, but not for not reading the posts made earlier, as I NEVER got them!

Okay, I may have made some mistakes, fact is that the wm's I mentioned are as guilty as they can be
and anyway you react will not make them honest!!!!!

So go ahead in telling me I am wrong without declaring these sites faulty, because if you keep on staying on this, you will only proove that you are promoting sites that do not deserve this!

Thank you so much for your reaction, are you getting paid by these sites?

[Tmarie99]

:stupid:

[lil crusader]

Rattler:

1. What do you mean when you say you didn't "get" other posts? This is a forum -- all of the posts are here for everyone 24/7/365. All you have to do is look for them!

2. I did not say you were WRONG -- I said you were giving us old news -- we already knew those sites were faulty long ago and you would have too if you'd done some research first.

3. Try really reading posts rattler -- and I mean really reading them! You're obviously not paying a lot of attention to what is said to you. If you were, you wouldn't react the way you do.

[StashuJ]

Lil Crusader, you made some admirable points but I am convinced that some people can't be educated because they just won't listen. I must have missed the post with the rattler's list of programs but I'm sure they are doozies.

Problem is, there are some programs that pay out at a dollar that aren't going to pay, either, but I'd rather waste my time over a dollar than a hundred before I find out the hard way.

There are a couple people who do have what I consider to be high payouts (and I consider anything over ten bucks too high) that actually do pay. Unfortunately, from what I've seen, those who start at $30 raise their payout to $50 when people start getting close, then $75, etc. By the time the members wake up and start complaining, the people who pulled the scam have taken the money and run.

I am not sure what Rattler thinks anyone can DO without a whole lot of proof. Face it. you have to FIND the criminals in order to prosecute them and that isn't always easy.

Speaking of criminals, anyone ever hear what happened to Gypsy Dad? That was the biggest PTR scam I ever got taken in by.

Some of the others have conned me out of more actual money but they are still there. I suppose it could be said that if I put in a few more hundred I could make the original hundred back but I'd still be in the red. Not that it makes me feel any better to have been conned but legally, they are right and I am wrong because I flat refuse to use some of the underhanded marketing schemes. If I hate it myself (like pop-ups, spam, pop unders and those annoying little ads that always slither right on top of whatever I'm trying to read) I definitely won't be doing it to someone else.

[Tmarie99]

Gypsydad..... Now there's a name I haven't seen in awhile.

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by StashuJ
I am not sure what Rattler thinks anyone can DO without a whole lot of proof. Face it. you have to FIND the criminals in order to prosecute them and that isn't always easy.

Speaking of criminals, anyone ever hear what happened to Gypsy Dad? That was the biggest PTR scam I ever got taken in by.




To the best of my knowledge, good old GD is still hiding under a rock somewhere. There was a major attempt to try to get law enforcement involved to try to get him, but believe it or not, despite the mega-thousands of dollars he scammed out of people, no one considered the total amount of money to be enough to be worth pursuing and so no law enforcement agency would do anything.

I haven't heard anything about him in quite awhile, but it appears he got away with it completely and that stinks IMO.

That whole situation created a reality check, tho -- If nothing could be done about a guy like him legally, then there's no way in the world the much smaller scale cons and scammers will ever be touched either. If memory serves me correctly, I believe the FBI gave a figure of something like $500,000 or more needing to be involved before they would show any interest -- AND they wanted solid, verifiable proof of that amount of money being lost upfront.......it was a total waste of time.

[StashuJ]

Well, ain't that just ducky?

I hate to hear he got away with it.

The guy is a true scam artist. He ran a paying site long enough to hook a bunch of us. He sounded so sincere! I was flabbergasted over that whole scenrio. Fortunately, all he took from me was time because he paid me the money I put back into his fraudulent scheme.

Live and learn. And I guess that one sticks in my mind because it was one of the most professional con jobs I ever got swindled by. And I have to thank God he was a theif and not a pedophile because dollars lost are a lot less distressing than a child.

But GD was definitely a reality check for me. That caused me to keep my eyes wide open and not trust anyone else until they have proved themselves many times over. It also made me see that these programs aren't infallible and I am a little more forgiving of those who cut and run owing me half a dollar just because they didn't know what they were doing than those who flaunt their ability to con people and keep on doing it under different program names.

One time there was a program that cropped up and the messages sounded just like GD's messages so I wasn't sorry to see it disappear. I honestly figured it was him.

[lil crusader]

One time there was a program that cropped up and the messages sounded just like GD's messages so I wasn't sorry to see it disappear. I honestly figured it was him.


You may have been right...I imagine people like him who get away with something like that once can't resist the urge to try it again.