Surforhits Not Paying

[toontownjim]

Been trying to get may payment from this site since Nov.2003.She will only say that untill my name is on her so called list I will not be paid.She decide's who makes this list this way
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Payouts are now being done weekly. Our administration staff determines eligibility for payout in a few ways.
1. You must be an active member to be paid.
2. You position on the cash earnings statement generated by our scripts.

We start at the top of the list and work our way down.
This means a more active member will get paid more frequently since they will obviously click more links and earn faster than someone only doing 3 - 5 links a week

Free members may request payout when their account balance reaches $1.00 AND they have a MINIMUM of $.50 in personal earnings.
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If she makes payouts weekly I have been waiting for at least 20 weeks and still not on her payment list.

I have been active I had the $1.00 amount in Nov.2003 today I have over $4.00 That I will not get because of posting this on evey Forum that I know of.This is against her Terms and her Terms change almost every day

This is part of the ClickBuxx sites owned by Evelyn Turner .She is also John Stilwells (aka Viper aka Venomx)buddy,she bought 2 of his sites Cash4Hits and Paidword both of which also owe me money for almost a year now

My suggestion to anyone that belongs to any of her sites is get out because you are wasting your time.
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Here is the sites she has
Clickbuxx
CM4U
1stProfit
SurForHits
Cash Kitty
Fill My Account
Coffee Club Emails
Cash4Hits
Paid World
View2Earn
Kit Cat Cash
Viper Clicks
CashNClicks
Puppy Paid 2 Clicks
Cash Catchers
Public Support Forum
MoneyMouser
Dungeon & Dragon Emails
Bug Cash
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The only site that owes me money longer than her is her good friend Viper,Venomx,John Stilwell that still hasTopDollarEmails

Thanks for reading this Jim

[lil crusader]

After all the bragging and boasting that went on in this forum just a few short days ago, I hope either qcp or Evelyn will take the time to reply to this and give their side of the story so that everyone can form a fair opinion.

[qcp]

toontownjim,
If you knew anything about ET and I,you'd no we have no use for John Stilwell at all!To claim he's ET's good friend is preposterous and shows how little you know.

Q

[freecashspace]

So how does the payment policy work at Surforhits, Q?

Is it true that members that aren't very active, but have earned enough to request payment, may not actually get paid?

Cheers,

Wil

[qcp]

This is where his $4 ($3.50) went:

_________________

Direct cash earnings: 4.20650
Downline cash earnings: 0.00000
Cash account balance after all transactions: 0.70650

Direct point earnings: 8539.01500
Downline point earnings: 0.00000
Point account balance after all transations: 639.01500

Downline Count: 0
Level: 1 (0)
Level: 2 (0)
Level: 3 (0)
Level: 4 (0)
Level: 5 (0)


Account Transactions
Cash
(edit cash transations)
03/20/2004 12:40 Premium Member Bottom Sponsor Ad - 1 Week -1.00000
03/20/2004 12:40 Premium Member Bottom Sponsor Ad - 1 Week -1.00000
03/20/2004 12:40 Premium Member Bottom Sponsor Ad - 1 Week -1.00000
03/20/2004 12:31 research fee -0.50000
Total Cash: 0.70650

Points
(edit point transations)
03/20/2004 12:41 Premium Member Bottom Sponsor Ad - 1 Week -1,000.00000
03/20/2004 12:41 Premium Member Bottom Sponsor Ad - 1 Week -1,000.00000
03/20/2004 12:40 Premium Member Bottom Sponsor Ad - 1 Week -1,000.00000
01/25/2004 14:26 Free Member 5,000 Banner Impressions -5,000.00000
07/17/2003 12:28 Sign-up Bonus 100.00000
Total Points: 639.01500


Partial Screenshot of account...this is what he used his $4 for.

Not a premium member either...1 more violation of rules.

Q

[lil crusader]

But the three $1 redemptions and one 50 cent research fee (whatever that is) are all dated yesterday.....If he had that much money yesterday, then he obviously has been within the payout range for awhile.

Your own FAQ say that you pay members automatically and you even tell them NOT to request payout because it will be taken care of.

Obviously it wasn't.

If he was eligible for payout after achieving $1......why wasn't he paid then?

[qcp]

We also say active members will be paid 1st.$4 in 8 months is not active.We have members making that much in less than 2 months.

Q

[evelynturner]

Wil when you or Pam become a member then I shall feel justified to reply to that.


I do NOT pay cheaters or hacks. It is that simple. I think Q can provide the FULL details.


If that makes me a terrible WM then SO BE IT but the will sell sno cones in the hot place before I pay a member such as TTJ.

I have asked Q to gather the "evidence" and present what he has. Diane was actually the first to catch him - but at that particular time we did not know it was TTJ - not until he redeemed from his own account on the same computer.

When ANYONE says they have favorites - yes in a sense that is correct. Certain members I watch out for. Members who work hard and work honestly. One such member was a victim of TTJ yesterday. The victim was notified when the issue occured and ALL the redemptions for PORN ads TTJ sent from the victim's account were reversed.

TTJ's account has been under suspicion for a while since 99% of what he clicks are "suspicios". Meaning the scripts are NOT flagging for the use of software but the click times indicate it. On that basis alone I WILL not cancel a member I will simply watch them. I cannot say with a shadow of a doubt that he is using software - just that in researching his clicks it APPEARS that he is.



Once Q posts what he has shall we start a poll????


The question should be this:


Review the info posted by Q and decide if that is the type of member YOU would pay????


ET

[evelynturner]

$4 in 8 months is not active.We have members making that much in less than 2 months.





We have members making THAT in 2 weeks or less - so if it took him a year to get that then the activity level speaks for itself.


ET



Typical earnings for SUR or any other main level CFS are average of $8.00 or more per month. Some earn more some earn less. TTJ did not even hit that bracket so it is EASY to see why when using the cash earnings statement generated by the scripts his name never reached the top.

[qcp]

This was his redemption using the $4 he's crying about:

Date: 3/20/2004 12:41:05 -0800
From: "toontownjim" < edit >
Reply-to: edit
To: advertising@surforhits.com
Subject: Redemption Request All headers

username: toontownjim

redemption_id: 250

ad_info: send me my money

auto: yes

type: points

amount: 1000

description: Premium Member Bottom Sponsor Ad - 1 Week

editted to humour lil crusader

[lil crusader]

qcp - please go back and edit your post so that an individual's email address is not posted here without his knowledge/permission

[qcp]

Pam,

That's the mod's job and it gets worse anyway so he should be exposed...I'll give you mine to show I have nothing to hide...like hacking accounts.

qcpembelton@yahoo.com

Q

[freecashspace]

I'll try again.

So how does the payment policy work at Surforhits, Q?

Is it true that members that aren't very active, but have earned enough to request payment, may not actually get paid?

Cheers,

Wil

PS Evelyn, in case you haven't noticed, this isn't your so-called support forum, so we don't need to be members of your programs to ask questions here. This folder is for discussing whether programs should be submitted for boycott or not.

[qcp]

wil,
Actually members cannot request payment since they're done automatically now.So asking when they can request is not a question.

Q

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by qcp
Pam,

That's the mod's job and it gets worse anyway so he should be exposed...I'll give you mine to show I have nothing to hide...like hacking accounts.

qcpembelton@yahoo.com

Q


When you post your own email address, obviously it is with your knowledge and permission.

Posting someone else's is a different story completely.

I reported your post so that a mod can take care of it as soon as one comes online. I'm sure they will all appreciate your coming into their forum and providing a job description for them.

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by qcp
wil,
Actually members cannot request payment since they're done automatically now.So asking when they can request is not a question.

Q


So why have 5 months passed without his being paid?

[qcp]

If ya noticed Pam I did edit it
.

Q

[freecashspace]

Sorry, Q. I'll try again.

So how does the payment policy work at Surforhits, Q?

Is it true that members that have earned more than the minimum required for payment may not actually be paid because they're not as active as other members?

Cheers,

Wil

[qcp]

Both of you,
Lots of reasons:
Inactivity
How long waiting
How much you're owed
How you act(especially in forums other than ours)
How you act to us
Whether you "access" other members accounts

In other words if you do something wrong or unethical(cheating or hacking accounts) you will not be paid.

Case here.Glad yall jumped up in his defense...looks like he was caught,tucked tail and ran.

Q

[evelynturner]

So why have 5 months passed without his being paid?


Because as PREVIOUSLY stated (and Wil this answers YOUR question to) - I run a CASH EARNINGS REPORT when I prepare for payouts. I USE that report - starting at the top and working my way down. How many I payout depends totally on a number of things - who is ACTUALLY qualified (personal earnings, etc) ACTIVITY, and where they are on the list.

SO YES if I run across a member who for example has 10 cents personal earnings - $5.00 in referral earnings NO that member would not qualify for payout on MOST of our sites because their PERSONAL earnings are lacking - which I do POST in the payout folder that their name came up and I reviewed AND they did not get paid and here is why. This way they have time before the next pay round to correct the personal earning issue by clicking more.




Now since that payout folder is contained in a member's only forum - WHY would you have a problem with that?


1. I use the method 99% of site owners do - EXCEPT I do it manually instead of clicking MASS PAY

2. I post who has been paid / who has not & why not in a place I KNOW they will look. Thus giving them the opportunity to be paid the next go round.

If that bugs you then let's see ya slam the other 99% of site owners using the cash earnings statement too :)


ET

[qcp]

I might add that when sites are folding left and right because their personal lives interfere,they can't pay their members,accounts were hacked...the list goes on and on!We still pay our members and buy some of these failed attempts at sites that we can can run and treat members right like their former owners could not do:)

Q

[freecashspace]

Thanks Evelyn. I understand the part about not paying them if they don't have enough personal earnings. Lots of sites do that.

But what I was asking about is whether a member who has earned MORE than the minimum required for payment, including the personal earnings requirement will not be paid if they aren't as active as other members who end up higher on the cash earnings statement.

Also, do any of the "Clickbuxx Family" programs offer targeted advertising?

Cheers,

Wil

[qcp]

Wil,

They will be paid with active members being paid 1st,inactives being paid next in line.How hard is that to understand?

Q

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by qcp
Both of you,
Lots of reasons:
Inactivity
How long waiting
How much you're owed
How you act(especially in forums other than ours)
How you act to us
Whether you "access" other members accounts

In other words if you do something wrong or unethical(cheating or hacking accounts) you will not be paid.

Case here.Glad yall jumped up in his defense...looks like he was caught,tucked tail and ran.

Q


hmmmm...do you think any of those things listed above could be why you hadn't been paid by the program you complained about on gpf earlier this month:

But I've been waiting for payout over 90 days.90 days is NOT within their TOS.Their TOS plainly states 45 days(one month)I guess they're confused about what a month is.Never saw any mention of 90 days.

No responses to any emails, no admin anything from them to their members is inexcusable and deplorable!$10 dollars means means nothing to me.Principle means everything!

qcp
Site Manager
Surforhits.com

Funny how the rules seem to change when it's you waiting to be paid by somebody else.

:)

[freecashspace]

Apparently as hard to understand as my questions.

And I assume they must be hard to understand since they don't seem to get answered.

Now you're saying you pay active members first and then you pay inactives?

Don't most PTRs delete inactives?

Sorry if I'm being difficult here, Q. I think you're probably right and its not that hard to understand. I'm just trying to make sure I get a simple, clear, straight answer that I understand so that I don't jump to the wrong conclusion or misunderstand something.

So IF (and that's always a BIG IF) I understand this correctly, surforhits pays members by generating a cash earnings statement, with the member with the most earnings at the top, and you pay all those eligible for payment, going down the list until....what? You get tired? You run out of funds? You get too busy posting in forums?

I can kind of understand the idea behind paying those members who are the most active. I can see where it encourages members to be as active as they can. But I wonder, is that necessarily good for advertisers?

If, for example, you offer targeted advertising based on geography and/or interest, wouldn't it be possible for some members to receive fewer ads because they haven't selected particular interests, or live in a less-targeted country?

Don't those members deserve to be paid once they've earned the minimum payout?

Or if you don't send targeted ads (a lot of program don't), then what about those members that don't click ads they know they're not interested in? Should they click those ads anyway, just to make sure they're active enough to get paid?

I understand the desire to reward loyal, active, supportive members, but are you sure this is the best way to go about it?

Cheers,

Wil

[qcp]

Well I wondered what took you so long.

It's been 4 months now and still no payment.Been clicking every link they send, Have emailed them with no response.And I've seen no admin messages of any kind.

See we communicate with our members unlike some of these "sites".That makes us different.

And I don't hack into other people's accounts like the one you and Wil chose to defend here.But they said something bad about us and that's all it took for you to jump in.

Now if you dig a little deeper you can find other things I've said.Need another hour?

Q

[toontownjim]

E/T
Most of this is B.S.
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1. I use the method 99% of site owners do - EXCEPT I do it manually instead of clicking MASS PAY

2. I post who has been paid / who has not & why not in a place I KNOW they will look. Thus giving them the opportunity to be paid the next go round.
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99% of the other site have redeeption buttons and you also had one untill Jan.2004 or late Dec.2003

About my earnings they were 100% earned by me if you sent less point ads and more cash ones then it would not take as long for us to get more in our account.
I had more than 8,000 points in total I redeemed 5,000 in Jan.
But that does'nt seem to be taken into account as to being active.
So E/T quit telling lies about me

toontownjim

[lil crusader]

qcp - you've never answered the straight, very simple question - why had a person who reached the minimum required for cashout way back in November of last year still not been paid as of yesterday?

And here's a new one for you to pretend you don't see - why, when this person tried to talk about this in your forum, was the thread deleted?

[evelynturner]

There are VARIOUS levels of inactivity WIL.


The no clickers who get canned when the inactive report is run.

You have the "I click 1 link per month" clickers - ALSO CONSIDERED inactive.


You have the "I click 1 link every 2 weeks" ALSO considered inactive.


Then you have the PTC only clickers and per terms of the site THEY ARE considered inactive as well.


Terms specifically state were are a PAID EMAIL site so members NOT complying with the emails are INACTIVE by terms of the site.

SO if a member clicks 10,000 PTC links they DO NOT qualify for payout UNTIL such a time as they begin participating in the PAID MAILS as specified by the site.

I am not particular HOW they do it - from their email or from the site inbox it does not matter to me as long as they are participating in the emails.

WIL - BTW - you ARE a pain sometimes! I have REAL work to do tonight STOP pulling me from it to come here - members are waiting on ads to be run, refs to be delivered and new auctions to be posted. Like I said I have REAL work to do.

When you have a REAL question that is NOT addressed in the FAQ, terms or our member support area I will come back.


ET

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by qcp
Now if you dig a little deeper you can find other things I've said.Need another hour?

Q


Cute -- sorry to disappoint but I've got several things going on at the moment and as such, you only have about 1/10 of my attention. Coming back here to reply to you has to wait it's turn on my "to do" list.

[evelynturner]

But Pam I answered it - his account was flagged by one of my assistants for possible use of cheat software.

UNTIL it can be determined whether such software is being used - no earnings will be paid.

As it turned out he caught himself.

So what you are referring to as "earnings" are gains from use of such means. I do not consider use of software legitimate earnings.

If you want to defend a member find an HONEST one and fight for them. Defending a cheater & hacker only shows just how LOW you will go to begin a fuss.

With all the other scandals right now I am quite sure you can find better ways to spend your time than pulling the poor toontownjim garbage.

I have NO PITY on someone who tries to cheat. I have NO pity on someone who accesses another members account as he did.

So if YOU pity him great have a pity party together but leave me out of it.

He cheated / hacked. He got caught. End of story.


ET

[freecashspace]

I still think Q and Evelyn must be related.

They both have that same habit of dodging questions and giving anything but a straight answer. :laugh:

Cheers,

Wil

PS Evelyn if you go back and READ my posts I think you'll see that I addressed my questions to Q, since s/he is the manager of Surforhits. I haven't asked for you to answer any questions for me, so please don't feel obligated to come in here and post if you've got better things to do.

[lil crusader]

Well, I must say that having just read Jim's latest post on GPF he has very effectively shown that just about all the excuses that have been offered up here tonite are totally without merit and I have no doubt that this "hacking" story (don't people ever get tired of that lame excuse?) is totally false.

Good job Jim!

The thread you tried to start in ET's forum may have been deleted in an attempt to keep as few people as possible from seeing it, but your posts here and on GPF will stand where anyone who wants to read them will be allowed to.

[qcp]

I couldn't care less about what you're doing at the moment.I guess you want records of contacts that I had with this hacker?

That he claims never happenned?Or deleted threads.You jumped on the wrong bandwagon here.I deleted his last post(had it deleted)and had him blocked...yes me...not ET.I have no tolerance for scum that would act like he did and hack into someone else's account.You may like that sort of people...no surprise here but I DON"T.

And being a moderator in the forum you speak of,I gladly did it!

Q

[freecashspace]

Originally posted by evelynturner
There are VARIOUS levels of inactivity WIL.

The no clickers who get canned when the inactive report is run.

You have the "I click 1 link per month" clickers - ALSO CONSIDERED inactive.

You have the "I click 1 link every 2 weeks" ALSO considered inactive.

Then you have the PTC only clickers and per terms of the site THEY ARE considered inactive as well.

Terms specifically state were are a PAID EMAIL site so members NOT complying with the emails are INACTIVE by terms of the site.

SO if a member clicks 10,000 PTC links they DO NOT qualify for payout UNTIL such a time as they begin participating in the PAID MAILS as specified by the site.

I am not particular HOW they do it - from their email or from the site inbox it does not matter to me as long as they are participating in the emails.
Isn't it funny how many POs like to start talking about the Terms when it suits them, but they're happy to ignore them when they're the ones breaking them.

Now, I saw in the Terms where it said members would be deleted for inactivity after 30 days. I didn't see the part that said clicking 1 link every two weeks or a month were considered inactive.

And I didn't see where it said clicking PTCs wasn't considered activity, and wouldn't be rewarded unless paid emails were also clicked.

Are you referring to this part?Members may earn by receiving paid-emails and visiting the advertiser websites after they have entered their member ID in the area on the website provided by SurForHits.com. Members may earn by referring new members to the SurForHits.com program.This part doesn't even mention PTCs, so by your logic, I guess members shouldn't be paid for them at all!

Q, can you PLEASE explain to me what ever in the world Evelyn is talking about?

Or are there any other "Clickbuxx Family" program managers around that can answer simple questions?

Cheers,

Wil

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by freecashspace
I can kind of understand the idea behind paying those members who are the most active. I can see where it encourages members to be as active as they can. But I wonder, is that necessarily good for advertisers?

<snip>

Or if you don't send targeted ads (a lot of program don't), then what about those members that don't click ads they know they're not interested in? Should they click those ads anyway, just to make sure they're active enough to get paid?

I understand the desire to reward loyal, active, supportive members, but are you sure this is the best way to go about it?

Cheers,

Wil

This is just a personal observation here that may or may not be valid, but it seems to me that if members feel like they have to click on virtually everything in order to have any hopes of being paid, then that is actually creating a falsely high click-thru rate, which obviously could be used to attract advertisers who, of course, would not know that many of the clicks weren't a result of interest, but merely done from fear of not being judged active enough by the program owner and her site managers.

This forced clicking seems to go against everything PTR is supposed to be about IMO. If a person feels like they must click literally everything, regardless of interest, then in the long run the advertiser who bought 1000 ads expecting to get 900 or so clicks from it is likely to be extremely disappointed (and even angry) if those 900 clicks do not yield a single sign-up, purchase, etc.

I just finished clearing out a site inbox that had 45 emails in it. Of those 45, I clicked on 20 max. Sure - I could have clicked all 45 and made more pennies, but that wouldn't have been fair to the advertiser. The mails were clearly marked so I knew what they were, and I clicked the ones that interested me and no others. The owner of this particular program, just like the owners of all the programs I'm in, don't rank their members by # of clicks made when it comes time to pay. If you've reached payout, you get paid...that's it. And you're only considered inactive if you fail to log in and click anything within a certain period of time - there are no inactive active members in any of these programs.

I probably wouldn't be considered active enough to ever get paid in one of ET's programs, but I tend to think that advertisers would rather have their ads read primarily by people who are really interested in them and not people who just clicked as much as they could, as quickly as possible, so that they would please their program owner.

But that's just my opinion.

[qcp]

Wil,

I can sum this up in 2 words...off topic.

Q

[qcp]

Not forum-bumping but Pam...go check your gpf toontownjim defense league.

Q

[freecashspace]

Originally posted by qcp
Wil,

I can sum this up in 2 words...off topic.

Q Q, I can sum this up in one word...
whathebloodyfrickinhellareyoutalkinbout? :laugh:

As far as I know, the topic of this thread is, essentially, BOYCOTT SURFORHITS!

And as far as I can tell, that's pretty much what we're posting about.

Cheers,

Wil

[toontownjim]

E/T
Here is what I recieved from 2 of those 99% sites you mentioned

USCAUK Joined on Jan12th 2004 It has a 3.00 payout and I have been paid twice for a total of $6.00. Requested on Feb.13th it was in my PayPal account on Mar.2nd.Requested again on Mar.14th and it was in my PayPal account on Mar.16th
Feb.14th 2004 Payment From XYZ Inc.
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Shown below

Feb. 13, 2004 Payment From XYZ Inc. Subject:
Uscauk

Mar. 16, 2004 Payment From XYZ Inc. Subject:
Uscauk
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Here is another site Anyby Joined Jan10th 2003 $5.00 payout
Have been paid 4 times total $20.00
Reduested June 29th 2003 was in my Paypal on June 30th
Jun. 30, 2003 Payment From XYZ Inc.
Subject:
AnyBy payment

Oct.13th 2003 was in my account the same day Oct. 13, 2003 Payment From XYZ Inc. Subject:
Anyby redemption

Dec.12th 2003 was in my account Jan12th Jan. 12, 2004 Payment From XYZ Inc. Subject:
Anyby

March 1st 2004 was in my account Mar.2nd Mar. 2, 2004 Payment From XYZ Inc. Subject:
Anyby
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No hassle what so ever. But Surforhits nothing but a BIG hassle first for $1.00 that I never got Then again for the balance and you advertise Free Member payout $1.00
All I can say is that your site' suck
toontownjim

[qcp]

Well I think it actually started from a hacker saying "Surforhits doesn't pay"

That does not have any thing to do with our terms,rules or if we proviide targeted advertising.Or anything to do with treating our advertisers fairly.It's about Surforhits not paying.And we do pay.That's why we have such loyal members!Sorry you can't stand that but guess what?There's nothing you can do about it!

Get used to it because we'll be here when the fly-by-night con-artists you like are gone.

Get over it!!!

Q

[lil crusader]

But don't forget - this is the "Suggest a Program To Boycott" part of the forum and as such, discussion of all aspects of a program are necessary to come to an overall conclusion about the program.

If the OP posted that he didn't get paid and gave a time period which clearly violates your own TOS, then don't you think some discussion is warranted?

[freecashspace]

Originally posted by qcp
Well I think it actually started from a hacker saying "Surforhits doesn't pay"

That does not have any thing to do with our terms,rules or if we proviide targeted advertising.Or anything to do with treating our advertisers fairly.It's about Surforhits not paying.And we do pay.That's why we have such loyal members!Sorry you can't stand that but guess what?There's nothing you can do about it!

Get used to it because we'll be here when the fly-by-night con-artists you like are gone.

Get over it!!!

Q Take a look, Q -- Evilyn is the one that started talking about the Terms. But I think the Terms are definitely something that needs to be looked at when deciding if a program should be boycotted or not. And one of the questions we have to ask is, is Surforhits paying members according to its Terms? To be honest, I find it hard to make any sense of Surforhits Terms, which is why I've been asking questions. But its so HARD to get any straight answers out of the Clickbuxx Family.

But you're right, the OP did start the thread to say Surforhits didn't pay. You say you do pay, but I still haven't worked it all out, what with the confusion between inactive inactives and active inactives and all.

Do you really want to start another thread to address each separate issue, or can't we just include them all in this one?

I know you have lots of loyal members, Q. I've never said you didn't. Seems like ALL programs have loyal members, no matter how bad they are. Jay had (has?) loyal members. Fred Srock had loyal members. Noey had loyal members. April Gold has loyal members. Carole @ Mec-co-op has loyal members. Annie had loyal members.

I wonder which "fly-by-night con-artists" you think it is that I like. Maybe you could give me some examples?

Cheers,

Wil

[lil crusader]

I'm interested in that too. After all, you don't want to give our cult a bad rep by liking the wrong people now do you Wil? :p

[evelynturner]

Hmmmm the LAST time one of my sites made the fron page here lets see.........


membership JUMPED by 1000 members and is STEADILY growing by an AVERAGE of 5 members per day. Some days more some days less but still the same GROWING by leaps & bounds with members.


hmmmmm...... that site was chosen as a recipient of the Golden Web Awards



So it is slightly possible that the front page effect you hoped for is not being achieved. Members must be using reverse psychology when it comes to those sites on the front page since they have been around WELL over a year for most of them well over 2 years. They have a SOLID member base and continue to grow.

AND I HAVE BEEN PAID BY NEARLY EVERY ONE OF THEM!!!!!!

Gee suppose my sarcasm is showing?

Cash4Hits was listed based on 99% of what the previous owner done. AND from a shoot load of people who were never even members as stated by their own admission. So how fair is the selection - when the deciding parties ARE ptr owners - how fair can it be??????

List competition on the boycott list so they look bad. OOPS did not work with cash4hits, maybe it will work JUST AS WELL WITH SUR!!!!


HEY I just thought of something! If it theoritically worked the same way for every site I would have for Christmas what I been working for!!!! 10,000 members in EACH SITE!!!!!


Besides Pam I think Sur is ALL READY listed in that particular folder you done so yurself around September or so. Well not you personally - but I think you recall it.

Food for thought........ front page here..... exploded membership........ hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



ET

[freecashspace]

Absolutely not, Lil!

I could never bring myself or any of my mindless followers to have anything to do with "fly-by-night con-artists". In fact I find the very notion of using the term "artist" in association with some of these small-time swindlers to be offensive.

Any two-bit jive turkey can throw together one of these "fly-by-night" scams together, and I don't like them, don't join them, and don't support them.

But I have yet to see anybody in this business that even comes close to being a true con-artist. Plenty of petty criminals and poor dumb innocents (and plenty of good, decent POs too of course!), but no professional grifters with the talent, intelligence, patience and skill to pull off a long con.

Cheers,

Wil

[qcp]

OK...we're changing our terms.When you have this many sites you you have to.We change to make our sites better...maybe that's why we're here when others are long gone!

We will always change our sites to make them better.Good business move.Our members come first,not pleasing forum junkies like you.

Q

[freecashspace]

If your members come first, but you only pay them if you happen to feel like it, where do advertisers fit in?

Cheers,

Wil

[qcp]

We pay active,honest members...that's no secret.We give advertisers what they pay for.Yes our members are like family to us.Advertisers are business.Sorry these are alien concepts to you.You know,out of over 1100 members in Surforhits,I know at least 5-600 of them by name.Jim was one of those.We obviously had a falling out.But I can say something about him now and my wife knows who I'm talking about.Same goes for several hundred other members of my site.That makes us different from the auto-pilot,fly-by-nights I mentioned earlier.

Q

[toontownjim]

E/T
All this over $4.00 I hate to think of how many lies you would tell over $50.00.
This has nothing to do with all this B.S. about Terms Your terms are changed by the minute.
The fact is you stole my hard earned money and every time I inquired about it all I got from you And your staff was "YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE LIST TO GET PAID"This so called list and automitic payments was not even on the Terms Page the last time I was able to Login a read it.
That hacking thing blew me away I don't even no how to Host an add banner or what a gif"or jpg" are.
I can't even type,This is all being done with 2 fingers and this is 1 more than I could use when I got this computer

The simple fact of this is that you outright stole my earnings and are trying to weasel out by all this B.S.about Hacking sending Porn useing wrong redemtion buttions(This was done on purpose to make you mad) I would say Mission Accomplished.
I could have unsubscribed but that would not taken up as much of your time as this has.
You where asways complaining like this Send me the right banner ads use the right redemption button because I don't have time to e-mail you so your ad will be lost and you won't get the cash or points back in your account.
You seem to have alot of time for all the B.S. about me in the past 24hrs.
I am retired so I have all kinds of time to keep this up if you want
or you could send me my money like you should have done months ago.

Viper did not rile me as much as you have and he owes me $9.26 for the 2 sites you bought from him about 8 months ago and for the one he still operates he owes me $6.60 He did not go ranting and raveing abut HACKING TERMS PORN ETC.

Anyway "have a nice day"

toontownjim

[evelynturner]

I don't even no how to Host an add banner or what a gif"or jpg" are.
I can't even type,This is all being done with 2 fingers and this is 1 more than I could use when I got this computer



Self Admitted NON READER!

I sent out STEP by STEP instructions on MORE than one occastion ALL of which had a PAID link not 1 inch from the end of the step by step.


And you are calling q & myself the scam?


You ADMIT not reading the paid mails. (Which technically is a terms violation since you are paid to read them)

You ADMIT in open forum that YOU scam advertisers and do not care as long as you can hash sling because YOU did NOT get the $4 you TRIED to scam our site out of.


Like I said earlier:


You cheated - you got busted and now you are pissed about it.


Why not try joining SLAPAHO I am quite sure they have room for someone like you!!


ET

[lil crusader]

You ADMIT not reading the paid mails. (Which technically is a terms violation since you are paid to read them)

Do your terms require reading every email received? And how does stating that he doesn't know how to submit a banner or understand about jpg and gif in any way mean he did not read an email you may have sent on that topic?

Were your directions so crystal clear that absolutely anyone who read them could immediately understand every single thing there is to know about graphics? (If so, I wish you'd post those directions somewhere because there are many of us who constantly have to ask each other for help or advice when something doesn't work the way it should. If you are that skillful at explaining things, you should be teaching and enlightening others with that skill.)


You ADMIT in open forum that YOU scam advertisers and do not care as long as you can hash sling because YOU did NOT get the $4 you TRIED to scam our site out of.

Huh? Which "advertiser" did he scam and how is expecting to be paid money earned in any way attempting to scam you? The man should have paid months ago! And since when is redeeming considered scamming? It was HIS money that YOU owed him! He did the work and was entitled to be paid for it, just like any other member - no ifs, ands or buts about it.

There is just no other explanation for this Evelyn -- you are in the wrong and no amount of mudslinging by you or qcp is going to change that fact, nor is it going to impress anyone else and make them come running to join your programs. If you want to fantasize that this suggestion for boycott thread is going to actually increase your membership numbers, go right ahead -- everyone needs a little fantasy now and then.

Just don't expect the rest of us to buy into it --- The truth is far too obvious to be overlooked.

[toontownjim]

E/T What does all this B.S. Have to do with you not paying me-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't even no how to Host an add banner or what a gif"or jpg" are.
I can't even type,This is all being done with 2 fingers and this is 1 more than I could use when I got this computer

Self Admitted NON READER!

You ADMIT not reading the paid mails. (Which technically is a terms violation since you are paid to read them)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nowhere did I say that I could not read your mails How did I get over 8,000 points @ approx 5 points per click Thats 20 clicks for 100 points 200 per 1,000 So to get over 8,000 thats more than 1600 clicks in about 8 months that I have been a member.
As for cash links most of what you send are less than 1 cent so it takes alot to get 4.00 when I don't have a down line and you try to say that I am not an active member.
GIVE ME A BREAK.
What it comes down to is that you are stealing money from me.
NOT ME FROM YOU

just asking for my Cash seems to be against your EVER CHANGING TERMS THAT ARE NOT IN YOUR SITE TERMS PAGE

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Like I said earlier:

You cheated - you got busted and now you are pissed about it.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

JUST EXPLAIN THE ABOVE qUOTE FROM YOU

When and how did I cheat you?????????

YOU ARE THE CHEAT just like Martha

How does it fell to steal from an old man

( Now I supose your are going to say that Im senile)But that has nothing to do with the fact you have been refusing to pay me since Dec.2003 even though I had what was required for redemption and all the clicks where done by me.

qcp I was active an honest but that did not get me my money either.

Have a nice day Hope you are not losing sleep each night thinking up all this B.S. you have come up with every day.

toontownjim

[lil crusader]

The alleged "victim" in this dastardly hacking plot has posted on GPF in the Surforhits thread in the Complaints folder.

He is saying he was not hacked at all. Gee....I wonder why one of ET's managers went on at such length about how he had been contacted and was currently at work correcting any problems that might have resulted.

He said he wasn't even online at that time he was allegedly correcting the problem and regretted that he hadn't been because he could have ended all the speculation right then.

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm

By the way qcp -- he wants the link you posted on GPF from his ad edited out as it is a direct link and you posted it without his knowledge or permission. While you're at it, you might also want to get rid of all of Jim's email info that you posted repeatedly in that same post...you know the one you said proved everything.

If a mod sees it first, they'll get it, but just in case you are online first, I hope you'll do the right thing and make those edits.

There is so much more I'd love to say here, but I'll be good. I think everybody's smart enough to figure out what really happened here all by themselves anyway.

[lexie]

Originally posted by lil crusader
There is so much more I'd love to say here, but I'll be good.

LOL! Yeah ,wait for the "spin" Pam .

Oh and btw if this is an example of how non "fly-by-night"--ers operate , then may all those others proggies (where I'm treated well and paid ) con me a little more .

[lil crusader]

Amen to that Lexie!

[toontownjim]

E/T
You took my money,locked me out of Surforhits and ClickBuxx Forum. Then you send me more e-mails part of it is pasted below

From "surforhits.com" <NO-REPLY@surforhits.com>
Sent Monday, March 22, 2004 10:43 pm
To
Cc
Bcc
Subject More Paid Ads!!!

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Get 200% if you win

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http://www.surforhits.com/scripts/runner.php?EA=200403230426464099
_----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Do you honestly think I am going to keep on reading And clicking links after what you have done .Give me a break.
I supose this is also a Terms violation

toontowjim

Sleep Tight

[Jaikula]

Oh qcp and ET caught in a lie, yep a BIG one this time.

Did they think EVERY Cash Crusader WM was born yesterday. Yep, they must have done, specially with those phoney and ill placed headers.

Did you REALLY think that anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence qcp would BELIEVE that BS you placed up on GPF, here, I'll refresh your memory with the link to the thread there:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=152946&st=0

qcp's post is about halfway down, I'll place screenshots, yes, screenshots just incase he decides to do a backtrack to cover his tracks by editting his post there.

http://www.adreaders.com/images/toon2.gif
http://www.adreaders.com/images/toon1.gif

I do believe that is your post there is it not qcp. Rather interesting that the headers in the top image are broken and incomplete. Is that because YOU or someone else editted them to fit their needs. I think so. You see when emails are sent they get stamped by that ID, BUT, it is NOT unique. Notice how in the second email it gets stamped into the Message-ID as well, that's the REAL ID. But also notice the timestamps which they tried to copy.

In the paidworld.com header:

Delivery-date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:37:02 -0800
Received: from nobody by hosting.clickbuxx.com with local (Exim 4.24)
id 1B4pQj-0006Wu-LB
for redemptions@paidworld.com; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:59:01 -0800
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 3:28 AM


Rather interesting that the Delivery date is BEFORE the send timestamp from the redemption page. Then there is the sent timestamp. Good try, but no cigar for you qcp and ET.


If you look at the second picture above, it shows the REAL header which they just tried to copy across to make the OP look like a fraud. When infact they are the frauds.

Just to show you that the ID changes in the headers of email when sent, these three here were done through the contact page, anyone on a CC site can do it and look at them, and they will see exactly the same thing. Oh, and one of these was sent by someone else.

Return-path: <>
Envelope-to: @adreaders.com
Delivery-date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:34:08 -0500
Received: from nobody by server12.go-mama-hosting.com with local (Exim 4.20)
id 1B5l6c-0006po-5T
for @adreaders.com; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:34:06 -0500
To: @adreaders.com
Subject:
From:
Reply-To:
X-Mailer: Cash Crusader
X-Priority: 3
Message-Id: <E1B5l6c-0006po-5T@server12.go-mama-hosting.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:34:06 -0500

Return-path: <>
Envelope-to: @adreaders.com
Delivery-date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:34:30 -0500
Received: from nobody by server12.go-mama-hosting.com with local (Exim 4.20)
id 1B5l6y-0006rX-Is
for @adreaders.com; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:34:28 -0500
To: @adreaders.com
Subject:
From:
Reply-To:
X-Mailer: Cash Crusader
X-Priority: 3
Message-Id: <E1B5l6y-0006rX-Is@server12.go-mama-hosting.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:34:28 -0500

Return-path: <>
Envelope-to: @adreaders.com
Delivery-date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:40:03 -0500
Received: from nobody by server12.go-mama-hosting.com with local (Exim 4.20)
id 1B5lCM-0007L8-Db
for @adreaders.com; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:40:02 -0500
To: @adreaders.com
Subject:
From:
Reply-To:
X-Mailer: Cash Crusader
X-Priority: 3
Message-Id: <E1B5lCM-0007L8-Db@server12.go-mama-hosting.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:40:02 -0500

[toontownjim]

Here is another site that that is into your 99% arguement.

PirateEmails.I joined Nov.25th2003.With again no downline I reached the $4.00 Payout today Mar.23rd 2004. 4 months.
They do not send any Point mail and all links are 1 cent
Now that is alot better than any of yours and the don't hassle there members.

Have a nice day Jim

[toontownjim]

E.T.,Q.

WHERE DID YOU GO?This will not be over untill I get my $4.00.So don't try to hide.

Here is another site that treats there members like they should be.
GainMail I joined on Feb 16th 2004.All links 1 cent.Payout @$3.00;
Reached that on March 4th thats only 17 days.Payment was in my PayPal account same day
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mar. 4, 2004 Payment From jia qian zheng Completed Details $3.00 USD
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Today March 25th I have $2.21.40 and the .0040cents is from my tiny downline of 2 This took 21 days.These are not easy clicks because it is all Searches
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You have directly earned: $ 5.1600
You have earned from your Downline: $ 0.0040
Your account balance after all transactions: $ 2.2140
You have directly earned: 0 Points
You have earned from your Downline: 0 Points
Total available points after all transactions: 0 Points

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gold Member
Bonus Referrals
0
Downline Count
Level: 1 (2)suestg *julietrs *
Level: 2 (0)
Level: 3 (0)
Level: 4 (0)
Level: 5 (0)

* members you referred
Total: 2
Account Transactions
Cash Credits
Referral Bonus (pudster666) $0.0500
Total Cash Credits: $ 0.0500
Cash Debits
Cash out! $3.0000
Total Cash Debits: $ 3.0000
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That is another example off how to treat your members.

If you did you probably could of had 3,000 members @Surforhits instead of only 1,100,and you will likely piss alot of them when they want thier money.

Waiting to hear from you
Jim

[Jaikula]

Unfortuantly Jim they have been caught up in a lie and they are probably trying to say things posted here are utter BS.

I dont think they will be back though, unless it's to make up some other story. Unfortuantly they are NOT to be believed, either of them. qcp already broke GPF rules by posting those headers on GPF knowing full well that they were false and misleading.

Though it would be interesting to know what other tales ET and qcp can come up with.

[toontownjim]

Jaikula

She has lost this battle but the fight is not over for me at least.
This is one time that they didn't get to many on her side.
I posted about how I was treated on aprox.25 Forums and the feedback was more than 95% on my side.
I even got invited to join Yahoo's Forum( I did and posted the true side of what E.T & Q tried to do)

To all of you that stood up me me and what is right

THANK YOU VERY,VERY MUCH.

Jim

[evelynturner]

ET - FYI has been WORKING which is more than I can say for some of you.

FYI I done quite a few payouts over the last few days, redesigned 5 sites, gained a few new host customers and a few other things. It is not like I wish to spend my entire waking moments playing on the playground with a bunch of immature children.


Now because I do have work to do and I am GUILTY of only scanning this thread - I will address the areas I noticed.

1. TTJ - you DID get caught cheating I have the proof. If you will review the site terms you will see that in your communication with me via our forum and PM you violated those terms BEFORE your account was locked. That is the sole reason it was locked since Q did not yet have permission to cancel your account.

2. The header was copied to notepad then recopied to an email body. I MAY have not copied all of it who knows as I was pulled away from other work to provide this information.

If you want to praise poor TTJ then so be it. We do NOT support cheaters PERIOD if you have an issue with that then find someone else to take it up with. TTJ is like the rest of the "junkies" addicted to forum fusses and only out to find one. Well too bad ET has work to do and member redemptions to process.

BTW - TTJ the ONLY other person who EVER used that kind of language with me via email was Tim Johnson. Funny that your ip & his IP are quite similar.

I am looking into this matter farther. I am awaiting an email from the ISP right now concerning it.

ET

[funkymotha]

Et, so far as I can see TTJ's language is very mild considering the circumstances and I beleive you swore first in this thread which probably made his finger/tongue slip. TimJohnson's language would make a football team manager's toes curl immaterial of whether they have 'similar' IP's.

Funny that when someone male shows you up for what you are, ole Tim's name pops into your posts.

Mr TTJ you're welcome to join one of my programs I would love an active member like you and guess what? you dont need to promote, thats MY job :)

[qcp]

Jim,

I locked your account before any hacking issues ever came up for what you posted in approximately 25 forums.The hacking came up later.So I had no reason to alter,fabricate anything about that.We did not take your $4.You redeemed $3 for advertising.You chose to waste it on taunts instead of ads.A 50 cent research fee for digging through paypal and account records on your behalf(could've been more).70 cents left in your account that you forfeited when you violated our terms.

So I guess what you used your earnings for were worth it to you or you wouldn't have done it.The funny thing is I tried to pay you myself when you 1st contacted me about it.ET said no.Thank God she's more experienced then I was.


To the forum vampire:

I'm sure if I had violated gpf rules that I would have been censored,suspended,banned or at the very least warned.Get a job at gpf and you can speak for them.

Q

[toontownjim]

q
Just getting up seems to violate Your Terms most of them you make up on the spur of the moment.
The following came after going through proper channels trying to get paid and was refused saying that I was not on the list and likely would never be on it.That was your story evertime I inquired about it for 3 months It also took 2 months to get the $1.00 that you took off but never sent it to my PayPal account.That was your error so why did you take $.0.50 for that?

Here's the following
You redeemed $3 for advertising.You chose to waste it on taunts instead of ads.A 50 cent research fee for digging through paypal and account records on your behalf(could've been more).70 cents left in your account that you forfeited when you violated our terms.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I WAS REFUSED PAYMENT SEVERAL TIME'S OVER A FIVE MONTH PERIOD.THIS WAS LONG BEFORE I VIOLATED ANY OF YOUR TERMS LISTED ON YOUR SITE OR THE ONE'S YOU MAKE UP FOR ANY GIVEN SITUATION.
SO QUITE COMING BACK SAYING I WAS NOT PAID BECAUSE I VIOLATED TERMS AND WAS A CHEAT.
WHAT PART OF DO YOU NOT UNERSTAND/
YOU VIOLATED YOUR OWN TERMS WHEN YOU DID NOT EVEN SEND THE $1.00.THAT IS THE PAYOUT FOR FREE MEMBERS AND THAT IS WHAT YOU DID NOT DO.
AT THAT TIME I ALSO HAD OVER 5,000 POINT'S SO SAYING I WAS NOT ACTIVE IS B.S.

Have a nice day

I'll Be Back-Jim

[Jaikula]

Originally posted by qcp
Jim,

I locked your account before any hacking issues ever came up for what you posted in approximately 25 forums.The hacking came up later.So I had no reason to alter,fabricate anything about that.We did not take your $4.You redeemed $3 for advertising.You chose to waste it on taunts instead of ads.A 50 cent research fee for digging through paypal and account records on your behalf(could've been more).70 cents left in your account that you forfeited when you violated our terms.

So I guess what you used your earnings for were worth it to you or you wouldn't have done it.The funny thing is I tried to pay you myself when you 1st contacted me about it.ET said no.Thank God she's more experienced then I was.


To the forum vampire:

I'm sure if I had violated gpf rules that I would have been censored,suspended,banned or at the very least warned.Get a job at gpf and you can speak for them.

Q

You posted ET's LIES. Yes LIES and fabrication. Even Lachlanm said the headers were incorrect. Even by ET's admission they were copied to notepad. I dont believe the lie about the copying of the header being impatial due to the inconsistancies. Those headers were DELIBERATELY fabricated and just because you havent been reprimanded for it doesnt mean you wont be. As to me getting a job on there, dont need to, I sit in the background and do work from there helping cash the true scammers like yourself ET and yourself.

Also, I do believe that Tim6Johnson lives in the MN USA, NOT Canada. Please dont say otherwise because I have proof that would contradict your story.


As to you looking into the matter ET, oh please why dont you pull the wool over the eyes of those 'loyal' members you have in your sites. Those that believe all the honey coated words you like to say.

[qcp]

Forum vampire:

If I were to alter headers it would have been done in a way that would look just like real ones with no mistakes.As Pam pointed out,copy and paste is not hard to do.

Unlike some people,I don't lie about anything.I also bend over backwards to help my members.I treat scum like you with just as much effort.Maybe you should step out of the background and lodge a complaint with gpf?Feel free to if they would listen to YOUR lies!

Q

[lexie]

Originally posted by qcp
Forum vampire:

If I were to alter headers it would have been done in a way that would look just like real ones with no mistakes.As Pam pointed out,copy and paste is not hard to do.

Unlike some people,I don't lie about anything.I also bend over backwards to help my members.I treat scum like you with just as much effort.Maybe you should step out of the background and lodge a complaint with gpf?Feel free to if they would listen to YOUR lies!

Q

Please adhere to the rules . Name calling and personal attacks such as calling someone a forum vampire and scum are not allowed . If anyone needs to refresh their memory on the rules , I can direct folks to the links .

I will be bringing this post to the attention of administrators .

[qcp]

lexie,

When I called someone "forum vampire" it was a play on the name:jaikula...dracula.Sorry if that went over some people's heads.As far as the word scum...is that worse than being called a fraud,liar?You're a mod ....Act like one.Don't wait for admin...do what's right.And ask yourself this:did Q say something worse than what was said to him?

I'll take this as a warning.Awaiting a reply.

Q

[lexie]

Originally posted by qcp
lexie,

When I called someone "forum vampire" it was a play on the name:jaikula...dracula.Sorry if that went over some people's heads.As far as the word scum...is that worse than being called a fraud,liar?You're a mod ....Act like one.Don't wait for admin...do what's right.And ask yourself this:did Q say something worse than what was said to him?

I'll take this as a warning.Awaiting a reply.

Q

There's a big difference in commenting on the facts of posts and business dealings of wm's than there is in making a disparaging slur against a person .

Ooh yes and please do consider the post a warning .

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by evelynturner
BTW - TTJ the ONLY other person who EVER used that kind of language with me via email was Tim Johnson. Funny that your ip & his IP are quite similar.

I am looking into this matter farther. I am awaiting an email from the ISP right now concerning it.

ET


"Quite similar"???? The first 2 numbers match -- that's it.

The first 2 numbers of your IP match many of Yahoo's IP #s....does that mean you are secretly Yahoo?

:hehe:

[qcp]

Okay,

jaikula....I'm sorry I called you names.LMAO

Happy lexie?

Q

[lexie]

Very good of you Q .

And Yes .... about 90% of the time :c)

[CATWOMANSURF]

Well at Surforhits there is now no minimum payout or maybe it is $1.00, whatever, I just redeemed for an ad and so I can't say whether they pay or not. I can say that qcp is doing a real good job and I am indeed happy to see that qcp is sticking up for his own site that HE is indeed managing and doing a very good job. The new design I do really like of Surforhits and it seems now Evelyn can be a designer of sites wow now she can make money that way too.

All I can say is I missed out on the last topic of conversation here when Evelyn was saying how her sites did not have much of a debt and that subject was quite interesting, it took me about four long hours to read and study and re-read it early this morning. Well I just wish I did get paid for reading what I read in the forums from these webmasters not just reading those emails that we are required to read. The newsletters yes we have to read them. We have to read and we have to follow directions and we have to click on at least one email link per month. Oh no did I tell Lil something I wasn't supposed to? Evelyn is so paranoid she was blaming me thinking that I was giving Lil some sort of secrets well no you can now see, Evelyn, that Lil said that I was not. Evelyn is the one with the problem not the rest of the world with being paranoid I mean.

And so now Evelyn what you are going to college and preparing a thesis or paper and using this forum as a subject? Well even I don't believe that.

All this standing up for you that I have done for months now, and I have advertised the Clickbuxx sites for a whole year now, and what thanks do I get? Just that she is using me, Lil, and Pouncer and this forum as a subject in her thesis? How ridiculous and how ungreatful Evelyn.


Tina
:\ :hehe:

[freecashspace]

Tina, do you mean that you don't believe that we're all just part of Evelyn's psychology experiment???

Of course I think the big question is....does Evelyn believe it? :laugh:

Cheers,

Wil

[toontownjim]

CATWOMANSURF
The no minumum payout is for upgraded members Free Members
it is $1.00.But there is no Redemption Button anymore and she decides when and if Free Members get on her payment list.
That is why all this began her saying I was not active enough to get on the list even though I had 4 times the amount needed to cash out.
What she is doing is useing the money she gets from Free Member clicks to Pay upgraded members.
They told me in response from them asking why they had not paid me even the $1.00 I requested Dec.1st 2003 that her active members will get paid serveral times before I would make the so called Payment list that is not even mentioned in the writen Terms .The last time before I was locked out the Terms said Free Members will be paid when they have $1.00 and I do not remember what % had to be by the member.All my earning over $4.00 plus over 8,000 points was by me over an 8th mounth period that I was a member was by me alone I have no downline at her site.That is over 20,000 clicks but she still insists that I was not an active member.Go Figure

Toontownjim

[MARCUZ]

Can anyone tell me is surf for hits a reead company because if it is then i know one that pays

[qcp]

toontownjim,

I'm sorry if your school didn't teach math.Being the nice guy I am,I'll give you a lesson.

$4 in earnings
Our lowest paid cash ads are 1/4 cent.So clicking 1600 ads would get you to $4 assuming you avoided all the higher-paying ads.

8,000 points

Our lowest point ads are 25 points.Assuming you avoided the higher-paying ads,320 clicks would get you 8,000 points.

1600+320=1920

Far from the "over 20,000 clicks" you claim to have made.

One more lie to add to your resume Jim.
Or maybe you have a problem with math.

So sorry but I'm trying to help.

Q

[freecashspace]

Hey what happened with the hacking story?

Did we all just decide to forget about it when the person whose account was allegedly hacked said it wasn't?

Cheers,

Wil

[qcp]

Wil,

Still looking into that.Doesn't change the fact that I deleted his account for terms violations before the hacking thing became an issue.

Q

[toontownjim]

No Q. My problem is spelling and that I am unable to Login in to get the right info. I could have sworn point e-mails where only 5 but if they are 25 so what I was still clicking as may links as you sent maybe I let some searches go because I have lots of site's were search e-mails are I cent not a few measly points.A person can only take so many search's a day so why not do it were you get paid.
Please send me proof that you put up the 5,000 banner's that I redeemed 5,000 point's for.Also tell me what sites banner I sent.
Your cash mails where mostly 1/4 cent and scarce at that.
also in than 8 month period (Sign up date was July 17th 2003)
I was away for a least 6 weeks so in essence its only 6 and 1/2 months that I reached 8,000 points a lot of clicks for somebody that was not active don't you think.

The so called Terms viaolations and lie about hacking was at the same time.One of your first posting on the 20th or 21st stated this along with the Porn lie


Site's that have 1 cent search's

UsCaUK 10 links per day 3.00 payout in 30 days and pay promptly
GainMail several links per day somtimes 15 or more pays promptly
PirateMails also several per day also pays right away

You still can not get it into your head the viaolations came after trying to get paid what was owed to me since Dec.1st 2003 and was refused time after time.
Surforhits vialated there Terms because it clear'ly stated in your Terms Free members will be paid when they reach payout of $1.00.That is what was written in plain English.
Show me that it was done.Can't can you Read this last paragragh over a few times maybe it might stick for awhile.


Till next time Jim

[freecashspace]

Well Q, don't you think it would've been better if you hadn't publically accused him of hacking if you're still "looking into" it?

Cheers,

Wil

[qcp]

Once again Jim,you're sadly mistaken.Maybe confusing us with one of your "good" sites.

We don't send point links under 25 points.We don't send cash links under 1/4 cent.Every mail I send has at least 1 cent and points.Send me your banner info and when it was.Just when you redeemed it and I'll look it up.

Q

[lexie]

Originally posted by freecashspace
Tina, do you mean that you don't believe that we're all just part of Evelyn's psychology experiment???

Of course I think the big question is....does Evelyn believe it? :laugh:

Cheers,

Wil

ROFLOLPMP!!!

[qcp]

Wil,

I'm not "still looking into it".I stopped looking and posted the accusation when I had the info.I'm looking again now after the alleged victim said it didn't happen.That's what good webmasters do.I guess this shows that ET and I will stop at nothing to stop people who do wrong.If Jim is innocent then I apologize,if not then?????

Also shows that we communicate with people and don't hide like so many "webmasters"

And we keep people like you busy:)

Q

[freecashspace]

Originally posted by qcp
Wil,

Still looking into that.

Q Originally posted by qcp
Wil,

I'm not "still looking into it".

QHUH???

Are you sure you're not related to Evelyn??? :hehe:

Cheers,

Wil

[CATWOMANSURF]

Heah Evelyn,

Could you then make sure that I get some of the royalties off your thesis for your college? I sure can use some cash right now. If you're using anything that I have written in this forum or any other forum as part of your grade and part of your education in college that may go one day towards you being a counselor or something, heah friend, can I have part of the commission from what you earn by teaching you all I know?

And heah, since you sent me over to that forum subject although it was already closed by the time I got there sucks that would have been so much fun talking to you and qcp about how well your sites are doing that they don't have much debt (yes that may be true), well you did send me a note on messenger and well I didn't get it in time, good thing, I didn't need that emotional anguish. Anyways, how about paying me some random payments for all those hours I spent today on this forum reading and I am a reader and I get paid for reading?? Say I probably read for six hours or so. So how much do I get paid an hour for reading and for typing in this forum? And ya know, I type over 90 WPM and so my goodness, you'd owe me quite a bit for my time alone.

Well I'm going to do some auto surfing on some new sites that I found over at a friend's auto surf. Who knows maybe I'll get paid some real money over there.

Tina:hehe:

[freecashspace]

Wow, sure got quiet in this thread.

Hmmmm...maybe everybody's busy over at The Scam Report! :hehe:

[CATWOMANSURF]

Just wanted to thank QCP for getting out my ad redemption that I placed on Surforhits that was real fast service and I do appreciate the way he is managing the site. I know it is not very easy for him.

Yeah Evelyn so are you going to include me and Lil and Will and Pouncer all in the term paper or is it a thesis for college, well if you say anything at all about our little group or our forum activity, or how we say you are paranoid, or that Lil is stalking you, or that we can't be controlled, well I want to make very certain that you do know that we want our commission payment in full or else you'll have to make up another thesis. Let's see now Will, how much do you think we should charge her? If she turns into a counselor or a psychiatrist or something gee she'd surely get a huge salary. And she surely wouldn't have learned it all from college either. She needed some dummies to practice on or some guinea pigs and I guess you used us heah Evelyn? Well I hope all of you had a nice weekend and yes gee this forum got quiet.
I had a lot of referrals in my downline over on that site but some of them left I wonder why.
:baaa:

[lil crusader]

The forum didn't quiet -- it's been very active as a matter of fact. It's just this thread has slowed down because what else is there to say that hasn't already been said?

IMO enough attention has been given to ET -- there are a lot more important issues to discuss.

[qcp]

Not quiet anymore.

Wil, you know what I meant although I admire your editting abilities...too bad you waste them.No,Evelyn and I are not related but thanks for the compliment anyway:)

Pam,
More important issues to deal with?Get real.ET is your most important issue.These forums are proof.Need help?

Q

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by qcp
Pam,
More important issues to deal with?Get real.ET is your most important issue.These forums are proof.Need help?

Q


Help with what? Sorry, but I don't understand the question.

And if you and/or Evelyn want to go on believing she is my "most important issue," then go right ahead - I'm not wasting time arguing over such a silly comment.

[qcp]

Sorry...just proved it again.

Q

[lil crusader]

ok qcp - whatever you say; I told you I'm not arguing over this and I meant it. Think what you want -- it matters not to me.

[CATWOMANSURF]

Heah you three, guess I gotta come in here today and see what happened on my favorite soap opera (I mean Forums) yesterday when I was busy auto surfing and manual surfing. WOW I think I made 20 cents on one of those surfs and gosh sakes Get Paid to Surf WOW! And then this other new site I tried another Get Paid To Surf WOW I think the minimum to get paid is something like 10 thousand dollars or I mean some totally ridiculous amount.

1. Clickbuxx et al sites DO indeed pay. Evelyn has already proved that point. Although I have not been paid personally, I have read testimonials of people that Evelyn DID indeed pay.

2. Clickbuxx et al does redeem for ads or banners as I KNOW that as FACT as I have done so.

3. Clickbuxx et al has terrific low cost advertising on eBay that I KNOW as FACT as I have done so.

4. Clickbuxx et al Terms are so confusing and ridiculous I wonder what kind of lawyer or accountant dreamed those up. Sorry but the rules are really tough ones. Not ones I like nor do I agree with them.

Now that's some of my opinions from what I know okay you members and fans of Evelyns or supporters or non supporters. I have known Evelyn now for a full year is that long enough?? The good and the bad let's say okay.

The next issue and more of the subject back to this topic here the matter of discussion on whether Surforhits pays. What I am now concerned with is QCP - Why did you delete that person? A TERMS VIOLATION?? What did he do? The person that requested to get paid $4 right and then it was taking months and he did NOT get paid, and so he redeemed for a banner impression and well I suppose he chose a gold member or a premium member redemption as that is quite typical over there am I right? And what happened then did it get thrown in the recycle bin of the computer? And again only guessing here, I bet that banner the member (and it does not matter who the member is as this could have happened to ANY of Evelyn's members) probably did not pass the inspection of QCP and/or Evelyn right?? So where did it go?? In the recycle bin of the computer and then later deleted?? Okay so then the $4 was spent on a redemption for a banner impression that was not placed? Or was it placed QCP? I think you need to check your records as I now what to know whether it was placed and in what form okay thank you good night.

Tina

:(

[funkymotha]

CATWOMANSURF I believe only SOME people are paid at those sites. Others are deleted on a whim.

I'm going to do an ET here .. 'I HAVE PROOF' :p actually I dont have proof she pays but I DO have proof she deletes people on a whim.

So back to the topic do thay pay? Like I said I am sure 'SOME' people will get paid by them.

I just feel sorry for the people who think they will get paid and end up like ttj and myself.

[qcp]

Tina,

I deleted that members account for violating our TOS...specifically the damaging intent clause that has never been changed.He says we owe him $4.You say he didn't get his banner run?LMAO

He redeemed his earnings for ads...this is what he redeemed for:

ad_info: send me my money

auto: yes

type: points

amount: 1000

description: Premium Member Bottom Sponsor Ad - 1 Week

No banner...no ad.

Questions?

Q

[freecashspace]

Can anybody keep up with this fairy tale?

How many different reasons have been given for not paying this person their earnings?

I seem to remember things about inactivity, hacking, and now "damaging intent".

How nutty!

Cheers,

Wil

[CATWOMANSURF]

QCP: Ok first I must say that I know you are only going to do and say what Evelyn will give you permission to do or say. And I know you are indeed doing a very good job so I am not against you personally alright, and I still do like all of Evelyn's sites. Sometimes even I get notes from others saying why are you still even in Evelyn's sites? And why do you even still try to be friends with her? And why are you still even in her forum? LOL!

QCP/Evelyn, what is Damaging Intent? And what does it mean? The Terms of Service (TOS) in case someone doesn't know what TOS means, it even took me awhile to figure that one out are so very confusing and changing and a sign of inconsistency. Good grief it is hard for even me to keep up with the Newsletters and I DO indeed read them and since I am in several sites of the Clickbuxx clan, well I get to read them many times. I just re-read a recent major long very long and lengthy Newsletter with all kinds of gripes and issues and terms and changes. How confusing it must be for someone a bit older to figure out. And/or scary for people that are hesitant to email for an explanation and o wonder they just drop out or don't want to click they go inactive.

OH YEAH login quick April 1st is coming and that is a DELETION day so hurry this is no April Fools Day joke either. Well she doesn't say that, but it is like a threat or something like you better do this and you better do that and you better not do this and you better not do this or you could be CANCELED (in other words deleted or banned).

QCP/Evelyn, wouldn't it have been a much more professional way to treat this person that had requested to be PAID his $4 (I think that is the sum that is the sum I had heard it was) as in the above note if it came from him using a Premium button to ASK to be PAID just to email him and put him on the payment list and if the member was entitled to payment and requested it, then what you do is PAY HIM (or Her). Ya don't say oh gosh sakes I have to pay my favorites first or I have to pay the search people first, or I have to pay the upgraded members or the more active members first you're gonna have to wait as I have more important people to pay. Nope! You pay all of them that deserve to be paid. Or don't you have the money or the patience to pay the people?

So now QCP/Evelyn, what was the Damaging Intent that he made? What did he do, send a rude email? What did he do, type something rude in the forum? Well if that was the case, then the member gets THREE Warnings via PM message from someone before they are banned from the forum (this I know is a FACT). That's just banning from the forum. Why delete a member that is active? That is really WRONG!!! Instead of paying people you just DELETE THEM?? I am shaking my head here and I guess I had better go re-read your updated Terms and FAQ in your site for about the 50th time to make sure I am not doing anything incorrect here.

Have a good day and try to pay a few more members RANDOM PAYMENTS how about that?? RANDOM PAYMENTS?? That's what I like!! Site managers that PAY ME!! THAT would be much much better wouldn't it be?

Tina
:laugh:

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by freecashspace
Can anybody keep up with this fairy tale?

How many different reasons have been given for not paying this person their earnings?

I seem to remember things about inactivity, hacking, and now "damaging intent".

How nutty!

Cheers,

Wil


Don't forget the porn links that he supposedly sent out in the ads that never existed!

When all else fails - throw in the "porn" factor. :hehe:

[lil crusader]

Tina: Actually the concept of "damaging intent" is quite simple. In essence, in this case at least, anything that is not in 100% agreement with either ET or one of the annointed "clan leaders" is considered to be damaging intent and even daring to think something that falls into this category is grounds for denial of payment of any money due on the basis of not being worthy.

In situations in which money is not actually owed yet, "damaging intent" either by thought or deed, is punishable by immediate banishment from the kingdom of THE CLAN because that sort of undesirable is not needed or wanted for fear they may brainwash the others into actually thinking for themselves!

In summary, damaging intent = daring to disagree in the land where the law of "It's MY way or the highway" is the only one recognized and "clan leaders" are the only people of any true importance.

[qcp]

So I post and it's deleted....thanks lexie...yet you dont ban me.

Why...scared or something?

Q

[CATWOMANSURF]

Lil,

Thanks for some definition of damaging intent. Yeah I heard something about the porno note but I sure did not see any such email so it wasn't sent out to the members. The person obviously could NOT figure out perhaps how to ask for payment, or their request was being ignored or denied. Or maybe they could not access the member support forum who knows. In any case, these terms and rules are getting more and more confusing as the time goes on.

Well at least Evelyn does indeed own her sites and her domain names and she at least does indeed own her scripts and she has her own hosting and everything is going smoothly that way. Evelyn has learned how to delegate tasks to people and she even now asks people to assist, which before she was not doing, and so she has come along way indeed in the year I have known her. :baaa:

[qcp]

Tina,

If lexie allows this post...read

I deleted toontownjim's account for violating long-standing terms about damaging intent.Posting in several forums saying do not join this site and if you're a member quit is damaging intent.Plain and simple.

If you are so obsessed with putting us down,leave our sites and run to your little non-paying ones....that'll get you lots of friends here...lol

Q

[lexie]

Originally posted by qcp
So I post and it's deleted....thanks lexie...yet you dont ban me.

Why...scared or something?

Q

I didn't delete whatever you're talking about . There is no notation of your post being deleted by another staff member either . And no one is afraid to ban you or anyone else . We prefer not to ban anyone .

[qcp]

An entire post about 2 hours ago never appeared here...that's what I was talking about.

Q

[CATWOMANSURF]

QCP:

OK so thank you for your answer as to why you had to delete that person as he was telling people not to join or to quit well I guess Evelyn sure had to stop that kind of illegal activity.

Yeah I wonder what happened to your post, maybe it disappeared into Cyber Space, maybe a virus got into it or maybe a spy got into it. LOL

I still think you shouldn't have deleted him, but worked it out, and that man definitely deserved to get paid after all it must have taken months and many more months to do all that clicking and then once he asked to get paid, he broke the rules and was deleted.

Well I suppose you managers will all be busy on April 1st deleting people. Have a nice night and looks like you have had a long day today answering all of these posts.

Tina

[lexie]

Originally posted by qcp
An entire post about 2 hours ago never appeared here...that's what I was talking about.

Q

Alright . But since I didn't see the post you're are speaking of , and no staff has mentioned moving or deleting it , I am completely clueless as to where it has gone or if it even existed .

[qcp]

Tina,

Sorry you chose to side with a loser on this, clear and blatent violation of our TOS are not acceptable. Sorry Surforhits does not owe him $4.00. He redeemed his earnings for ads. There was no banner and no ad. This was his ad/banner.

Date: 3/20/2004 12:41:05 -0800
From: "toontownjim" <edited>
Reply-to: <edited>
To: advertising@surforhits.com
Subject: Redemption Request All headers

username: toontownjim

redemption_id: 250

ad_info: send me my money

auto: yes

type: points

amount: 1000

description: Premium Member Bottom Sponsor Ad - 1 Week


My point is made if this post is not deleted.

Q

MOD note-- please do not post personal e-mail addresses w/o the owners permission

[CATWOMANSURF]

QCP, just so you know ok I read your above and I did see what you had copied and saved from your records good thing you had the records as proof yes. So in other words you are saying that the person chose the wrong ad redemption as he wasn't a premium member and he didn't put an ad in the box and he didn't put a banner impression or a PTC in any box, he was just asking you to send him a payment and so his $4.00 he redeemed for an ad that never was placed as he never filled out the ad information okay now this does make a bit more sense. So did you write to him and ask this person/member to try again and re-submit an ad redemption that they were qualified for? Or just figure you'd just keep this person's $4 and keep the advertiser's money too?

Oh what about throwing a Going Away Party for the inactive members you have that are getting deleted soon? Maybe use some of that $4 for the soda and cake from the clicking they earned but never redeemed for?

Tina;)

[lil crusader]

My point is made if this post is not deleted.

Q


What a hypocrite.....you go ballistic because you think a post of yours has been deleted, yet think nothing of deleting Jim's post from your forum when he tried to tell other members how you had cheated him.

But I guess that's different.....right?

[funkymotha]

ahhh right damaging intent.. after NOT being paid for 4 months was it? dont blame him really, how long has a person to wait?

Can you show us the links to these forum threads where it says the damaging intent?

Also the only evidence you show here about the advertising requested is this ad_info: send me my money .. dont see no illegal content links there

[DAzHiredGun]

Originally posted by qcp
So I post and it's deleted....thanks lexie...yet you dont ban me.

Why...scared or something?

Q


IF there was a post deleted, I suspect either: you deleted it, or the page did not load after the post was submitted. Personally, I had rather believe the latter of the two.

We keep track of edited/deleted posts in the mod folder; and, there is no mention of your post having been deleted. As a rule, we, as moderators, do not delete posts unless the post is: (a) a duplicate; (b) entirely obscene; or, (c) solely a personal attack.

At this site, we welcome expression of free speech and differences of opinions ... even those that differ from our own, asking only that such expression conforms to forum rules.

Resubmit your post, if you'd like ... it will stand, as written, if it conforms to forum rules. If there are problems, send me a PM.


Ron

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by qcp
Tina,

Sorry you chose to side with a loser on this, clear and blatent violation of our TOS are not acceptable. Sorry Surforhits does not owe him $4.00. He redeemed his earnings for ads. There was no banner and no ad. This was his ad/banner.

Date: 3/20/2004 12:41:05 -0800
From: "toontownjim" <edited>
Reply-to: <edited>
To: advertising@surforhits.com
Subject: Redemption Request All headers

username: toontownjim

redemption_id: 250

ad_info: send me my money

auto: yes

type: points <-----

amount: 1000 <-----

description: Premium Member Bottom Sponsor Ad - 1 Week


My point is made if this post is not deleted.

Q

MOD note-- please do not post personal e-mail addresses w/o the owners permission


Oh, Q, Q, Q....you have made no point whatsoever with this post. There is no mention in this ad redemption of $4.00....It says it is a redemption for an ad using 1000 points - no mention of money anywhere. To aid you in seeing this, I have added arrows in RED that point to the lines of relevance.

[qcp]

Pam.

That was 1 of 6 redemptions,some for points some for cash.1 more:
username: toontownjim

redemption_id: 249

ad_info: send me my money>

auto: yes

type: cash

amount: 1

description: Premium Member Bottom Sponsor Ad - 1 Week

I didn't think it was necessary to clutter the forum by posting all of them.

Q

P.S.

There were no illegal links, that was not an issue.There were no links at all.He obviously didn't want an ad ran.Maybe just wanted to donate to the site to make up for that "damaging intent" in the post he started this thread with:)

[lil crusader]

Hmmmm, no illegal links you say?

Sooooooo -- are you conceding that the references to "porn links" in his "ads" that were made on GPF were, in fact, lies?

(Of course this was before the story was changed and it was decided that Jim was a hacker, a story that has already been revealed to be false as well.)

You certainly are having a cleansing day aren't you Q? Good for you - ethics wise, that is. It's probably not going to do much for your position as a "clan manager" though. Between this revelation and the one you made on GPF about Surf For Hits' financial status, it's probably safe to assume that this is a fairly accurate depiction of ET right about now: http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/pissed.gif

Props to you, though, for exposing not 1 but 2 separate fabrications today! Doesn't it feel good to tell the truth? http://pages.prodigy.net/indianahawkeye/newpage06/5.gif

[funkymotha]

HUH?

I thought you said he was deleted for sending porn links to be submitted ...


Who sent me here to the twiglet zone?????

[Jaikula]

Originally posted by funkymotha
Who sent me here to the twiglet zone?????

You mean the qcp zone dont you.

[qcp]

Well I will repeat myself again for the benefit of some "people" who are slow.

I locked Jim's account for terms violations.Hacking and porn link issues arose AFTER I locked his account and banned him from our forum.I never said I locked his account for hacking or porn.

The only lies here Pam are yours.

Q

[Jaikula]

Originally posted by qcp
Well I will repeat myself again for the benefit of some "people" who are slow.

I locked Jim's account for terms violations.Hacking and porn link issues arose AFTER I locked his account and banned him from our forum.I never said I locked his account for hacking or porn.

The only lies here Pam are yours.

Q

The lies are yours qcp, or is it quantry as your Paypal affiliate link says, we have already proven your fraud with those headers. There was no hacking what so ever, there were no porn links what so ever. Yet you continue to say otherwise.
You and ET have even insinuated on this very forum that he was Tim Johnson, who was ment to have been stalking ET.

[qcp]

jaikula,

Learn to read before you argue with me.Jim's account was not locked because of hacking or porn links.How many times must I say this?Can you read and understand English?If not,let me know what language you do understand and I'll translate.

Q

[Jaikula]

ROFL :hehe: :hehe:

Anyone notice the lie , let's go back shall we. Let's quote ET back on This page here... (http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4619&perpage=15&pagenumber=3)

evelynturner on 03-22-2004 10:36
He cheated / hacked. He got caught. End of story.

quantry's post on the SAME page:

qcp on 03-22-2004 10:56
I have no tolerance for scum that would act like he did and hack into someone else's account.


You even admitted in your post on GPF quantry that he hacked, remember the post where you FALSIFIED headers knowingly. Or was that ET that falsified them when she copied them to notepad and you just posted them for her?

Headers can be seen in my post here (http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4619&perpage=15&pagenumber=4) or they can be seen on GPF here, also notice at the bottom how quantry himself says about the hacking. (http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=152946&st=0)

Then quantry you post here on this page (http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4619&perpage=15&pagenumber=5), and I quote:

qcp on 03-25-2004 03:35
I locked your account before any hacking issues ever came up for what you posted in approximately 25 forums.The hacking came up later.So I had no reason to alter,fabricate anything about that.

I sorry, you did fabricate quantry, both ET and yourself, that evidence is seen in my screenshots. But hang on, that quote above also contradicts your earlier statement of:

There's a little ID there assigned to individual computers by a server.Match the numbers.2 accounts accessed by toontownjim's computer.He hacked,accessed another person's account when he got mad at us.


Originally posted by qcp
jaikula,

Learn to read before you argue with me.Jim's account was not locked because of hacking or porn links.How many times must I say this?Can you read and understand English?If not,let me know what language you do understand and I'll translate.

Q

Now you say it was no locked because of hacking or porn links, YET as seen by quotes above from posts within this thread, which contradict themselves all over the place along with the falsifying of headers, it had everything to do with the hacking and porn links. ET's post about him using cheatware and hacking was the post.


Oh, and quantry, good luck with winning the battle against stealing the Intellectual Property of another like you think you can do.

[qcp]

Jaikula,

How ridiculous can you be?You say the post was about hacking and porn?Get real!Jim started the post in both forums and not about that.He started the posts as little bad-mouthing of Surforhits,etc.Thus damaging intent...therefore I locked his account.Hacking and porn link issues came up later.If you knew anything about what we're talking about you'd know this.I bet you do know but just want to confuse the issue.

Funny Jim is silent but you cry and whine and make accusations you can't back up.I feel for you but I can't reach ya cause you're afraid to reveal your real identity like ET,myself and any other legit webmasters do.

Q

[freecashspace]

Ok, now I'm totally convinced! Maybe you're not even aware of it yourself, Q, but you and Evilyn MUST be related!

Do you have family from the State of Kentucky? Oh wait, I get it....you must both be related through family from the State of Denial!!!

:p

Cheers,

Wil

[Jaikula]

Originally posted by qcp
Jaikula,

How ridiculous can you be?You say the post was about hacking and porn?Get real!Jim started the post in both forums and not about that.He started the posts as little bad-mouthing of Surforhits,etc.Thus damaging intent...therefore I locked his account.Hacking and porn link issues came up later.If you knew anything about what we're talking about you'd know this.I bet you do know but just want to confuse the issue.

Funny Jim is silent but you cry and whine and make accusations you can't back up.I feel for you but I can't reach ya cause you're afraid to reveal your real identity like ET,myself and any other legit webmasters do.

Q

My accusations are backed up, unlike your lies and such you post on both this forum and GPF. Just like the lies you screenshotted on GPF earlier with threads which are NO longer around. Do you see any threads with vulgar language like YOU claim. I dont.

I know also I wouldnt want to be part of a scamming site run by two fraudsters who wouldnt know evidence if it was placed in front of them. Scammers and fraudsters who like to claim other people's intellectual property as their own.

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by qcp
Jaikula,

How ridiculous can you be?You say the post was about hacking and porn?Get real!Jim started the post in both forums and not about that.He started the posts as little bad-mouthing of Surforhits,etc.Thus damaging intent...therefore I locked his account.Hacking and porn link issues came up later.If you knew anything about what we're talking about you'd know this.I bet you do know but just want to confuse the issue.

Funny Jim is silent but you cry and whine and make accusations you can't back up.I feel for you but I can't reach ya cause you're afraid to reveal your real identity like ET,myself and any other legit webmasters do.

Q

Let's see....a member is owed money, you refused to pay, he dared to say something about it in ET's forum so you locked his account and deleted his post before too many people had a chance to see the truth, the member then posted in forums where he knew he would not be censored so that the truth would be known anyway and as a result, in a desperate effort to try to discredit him, the very first reply made by a member of THE CLAN used the phrases:

Maybe you are upset because Q BUSTED you for hacking another members account????

SO I suppose that makes Sur a bad site since NO ONE WANTS TO PAY A CHEATER or a HACKER!

We also do not appreciate the PORN links you sent.

In this case toontownjim needs to be exposed for what he is - a member account hijacker! The member whose accounts he accessed today has been notified and has taken the proper steps to correct the problem. That member was NOT penalized one penny even though toontownjim had COMPLETELY depleted his earnings with redemptions for PORN ads. The victim account was fully restored after he saw the account and what was done.

Diane

And of course, to finish off the summary, it was first revealed that there had never been a hacking and just today you yourself revealed that there never were any porn links either.

So, Q -- did I miss anything?

Now then, why didn't you pay this member when he reached payout? It couldn't possibly have anything to do with your revelation, also from today, about your program's obvious financial difficulties --- could it?

[qcp]

Jaikula,

I attempted to contact gpf mods about that to no avail.It was put on our site and someone from gpf immediately removed it.I have my differences with gpf but as one professional to another I will alert them about things like that.

You insist on this intellectual property issue.OK I'll pacify you:Feel free to use our scripts here.Stay far away from anything intellectual...unknown territory for you.Furthermore,that's between Rob,Ron,Evelyn and I.You don't have a dog in this fight.

Q

[freecashspace]

Originally posted by qcp
Furthermore,that's between Rob,Ron,Evelyn and I.You don't have a dog in this fight.

Q Hang on a minute, Q...which dog is yours? If Evilyn owns The Scam Report, then how does it concern you? You can't be on the board, since you manage a program, so what's it got to do with you?

I know over at GPF you have to get involved since Evilyn isn't allowed to post over there (well, not using the turner28 ID anyway), but last time I checked she hadn't been banned here, so there's no need for you to speak for her, isn there?

Seems to me the whole copyright issue would be between the owners of this website and the owner of the other. No dog for you, Q.

Cheers,

Wil

[qcp]

Wil,

I'm a paid employee of Evelyn's as a site manager but I'm much more than that. Think you would have figured that out by now.We work together on every site we own and everything we do.

You Wil don't have a dog in this fight.Question me though?Ask Evelyn Turner.She'll tell you that my word is the same as hers.Now when Rob gives you that authority,you'll have a dog in this fight.Until then????????????


Cheers,
Q

[freecashspace]

Originally posted by qcp
Wil,

I'm a paid employee of Evelyn's as a site manager but I'm much more than that. Think you would have figured that out by now.We work together on every site we own and everything we do.

You Wil don't have a dog in this fight.Question me though?Ask Evelyn Turner.She'll tell you that my word is the same as hers.Now when Rob gives you that authority,you'll have a dog in this fight.Until then????????????

Cheers,
Q

"We work together on every site we own"???

What sites do you own, Q?

As you've said, Q, you're a manager. A paid employee. And not paid very well from what I can tell. I'd ask for a raise if I were you.

Cheers,

Wil

[Jaikula]

Originally posted by qcp
Jaikula,

I attempted to contact gpf mods about that to no avail.It was put on our site and someone from gpf immediately removed it.I have my differences with gpf but as one professional to another I will alert them about things like that.

You insist on this intellectual property issue.OK I'll pacify you:Feel free to use our scripts here.Stay far away from anything intellectual...unknown territory for you.Furthermore,that's between Rob,Ron,Evelyn and I.You don't have a dog in this fight.

Q


:hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

I'm sorry quantry, but the matter of fact is that I am willing to site evidence against ET and yourself in this matter. I am also willing to sign an affidavit which states that you have infact stolen intellectual property. And yes an affidavit signed by myself and an Australian judge does hold up in other countries if the standing judge or such authoritive figure allows it as evidence.

Quantry I already know that you have NOT read anything on the WIPO website, if you had you would know that which has been talked about on GPF to be quite true. You infact twist the truth around to suit your needs.


As to you being employed by Evelyn Turner, I find that hard to believe without documented proof from the tax department within the US.

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by qcp
Ask Evelyn Turner.She'll tell you that my word is the same as hers.


Cheers,
Q

Interesting -- so does this mean that when you admitted that the only way you had to pay a few Surf for Hits members was out of your own pay, it was really the same as ET letting us know that she's not nearly as well off as she pretends to be? Considering how much she has bragged in here about her financial stability and lack of site debt, I guess it's understandable that she'd rather let you be the one to make that admission.

I'm sure this is information that you've shared directly with your members, right? After all, if no payments can be made until you, yourself, are paid, I would think everyone affected should be made aware of the current situation via an email or post in your private forum if for no other reason than to protect you from being in violation of your own Terms of Service for your program.

So tell me - have any of the benefactors of your generosity followed the orders you issued to them? In case you're unsure as to what I mean, this will refresh your memory:

sorry just partials but getting payments done.
Go tell everybody Surforhits DOES PAY.

[CATWOMANSURF]

Ok that member that did NOT get his banner impression placed, he can send me a PM or Lil can with the banner image info and the banner url info that he had sent to QCP and I will ck to see if it was a working banner when/if it was placed at Surforhits and I will ck to see if it works on my own host server and if it is working, I will let him know. If it is not working, I will let him know and will try to remedy the situation that my friend's site goofed him up on. :D

[freecashspace]

What's this?

Q is reduced to paying members partial payments with his wages from Evilyn?

I thought all the Clickbuxx Family programs were doing great?

Sounds like there's some serious financial problems there.

Uh-oh!

Ah well, if its true they certainly aren't the only ones.

Cheers,

Wil

[qcp]

Wil and Pam,

I was not reduced to anything.I chose to take a little of my own money and pay a few of my members.Why? because I'm not "strapped for cash" and I thought my members would appreciate it.When you become a member of Surforhits,you will have every right to complain about being paid.In the meantime,You and your words are no more than a game that you can't win....and ask your sidekick Pam where I "admitted" to anything!

Now run,seek guidance and get back to me.

Q

[CATWOMANSURF]

QCP:

Describe YOUR meaning of Damaging Intent.

QCP, it is real nice of you to offer to pay people out of your own pockets but that is not necessary.

I am honored to still be a member of the Clickbuxx clickers. I am glad to be an advertiser for the sites and glad to have known all of you.

What is Intellectual Property ??

Tina
:(

[qcp]

Tina,

Ask your mentors what moves to make next.You no longer have accounts at any Clickbuxx sites.You chose this for yourself.

Q

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by qcp
and ask your sidekick Pam where I "admitted" to anything!

Q

Ask and you shall receive Q......here are your own words, posted yesterday on GPF in the thread Rob started. Are you saying that the $22 in partial payments you made yesterday from your own pay to 5 of your members was done out of the goodness of your heart? If the money was truly available to pay these members, why did they have to settle for a partial payment with your own money instead of a full payment with Surforhits' money?

metlink,

I suppose I'm one of those "lackeys" Wil referred to.I've been accused of being paid to post here for ET.That's bull.I'm paid to manage a website.And of what I was paid last night,all but 70 odd cents was used to pay Surforhits members.So does anyone really believe I do this for 70 cents?

Q

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by qcp
Tina,

Ask your mentors what moves to make next.You no longer have accounts at any Clickbuxx sites.You chose this for yourself.

Q

Just when I think you can't possibly sink any lower, you go and do something like this and prove me wrong.

So Q......do you feel like a real big shot now?

[lexie]

Sorry , I must interupt again . Even if it seems to apply most of the time , I would appreciate it if ET not be refered to as Evilyn . I come to the aide of others who protest when their names are twisted into some sort of disparaging term , so what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and I request that these puns discontinue .

[freecashspace]

Sorry, Lexie! :\

Must be some kinda Freudian typo. I'll double-check my posts from now on, and I'll go back and edit my old posts just as soon as I get a round tuit. :)

Cheers,

Wil

[Koutafides]

Originally posted by lil crusader
Just when I think you can't possibly sink any lower, you go and do something like this and prove me wrong.

So Q......do you feel like a real big shot now?

No one, and I mean no one, could be as low and trashy as you, that gutter is all yours.

[lexie]

Originally posted by Koutafides
No one, and I mean no one, could be as low and trashy as you, that gutter is all yours.

Koutafides ,

You are in violation of rule 2 .

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/sho...p;threadid=3246

2. Comments meant to incite, embarrass or ridicule another member, including personal attacks;

Any further such attacks will result in ......'the immediate termination of said member's "rights" on this site.'

If you wish to remain a member of this site, we welcome you and ask that you treat others as you would be treated, with respect and courtesy.


__________________
lexie
Jer. 29:11
http://www.rewardsdivine.com
Help !! The toaster is holding my bagel hostage !http://rewardsdivine.com/pages/addicts.html

[lil crusader]

Originally posted by Koutafides
No one, and I mean no one, could be as low and trashy as you, that gutter is all yours.

Hi Kota - it's nice to see you too. :)

[funkymotha]

Thats so sad ... sorry that it happened to you Tina, they did the same to me when I told the GPF members that they were being ripped off by ET.

A program must be in dire straits when resorting fear tactics to keep members!

Q trust me when I say .. you will be next. ET isnt fussy and when you no longer are of service to her ie being her scapegoat, she will make up some story to delete you like you are doing to the members of the program you manage. Whats GOES around COMES around.

Dont say I didnt warn you.

BTW I am still waiting for the explanation of how you know me?

[qcp]

Originally posted by funkymotha
Thats so sad ... sorry that it happened to you Tina, they did the same to me when I told the GPF members that they were being ripped off by ET.

A program must be in dire straits when resorting fear tactics to keep members!

Q trust me when I say .. you will be next. ET isnt fussy and when you no longer are of service to her ie being her scapegoat, she will make up some story to delete you like you are doing to the members of the program you manage. Whats GOES around COMES around.

Dont say I didnt warn you.

BTW I am still waiting for the explanation of how you know me?


I've tolerated Tina badmouthing myself and ET for too long.Because occassionally she defends us.And she's Evelyn's friend and I thought we were becoming friends.

When she decided to defend toontownjim over some alleged banner ad that never existed,I still took no action.But when she decided to personally start a fight with me last night,I took action.

With no regrets!Maybe she wanted brownie points with Pam?Maybe she wanted to test how far I could be pushed?Maybe she doubted what I could or would do?She found out....lol

BTW...I only know you from what ET has told me.Satisfied?


P.S.Thanks for letting me know I'm on ET's hit list.Can I roll on floor laughing my derriere off now?

Q

[lil crusader]

Well Q, you really screwed up -- you see, Tina couldn't care less what I think, BUT.....she has defended YOU at every possible opportunity. No matter how I tried to change her mind she always insisted you were a really great person and that I was the wrong one.

Now she knows the truth, but it was a pretty rotten way to have to learn it.

I repeat my question from last nite.....do you feel like a big shot now?

Here's a new one: Are we all supposed to be properly impressed at your "power"?

If so....guess what? We aren't.

[qcp]

Originally posted by lil crusader
Well Q, you really screwed up -- you see, Tina couldn't care less what I think, BUT.....she has defended YOU at every possible opportunity. No matter how I tried to change her mind she always insisted you were a really great person and that I was the wrong one.

Now she knows the truth, but it was a pretty rotten way to have to learn it.

I repeat my question from last nite.....do you feel like a big shot now?

Here's a new one: Are we all supposed to be properly impressed at your "power"?

If so....guess what? We aren't.


Do I feel like a bigshot?No!


I've spent all day doubting myself and wondering if what I did was right.The result is I'm convinced that I was 100% correct.I could care less about power.I acted as a good webmaster should have.

Quantry Cabel Pembelton(aka Q)

saving Wil some research time...see how nice I am:)

[lil crusader]

Did you get a promotion Q? Last I heard you were a program manager.......not a webmaster.

[qcp]

Pam,

Get real.You put out so much effort to keep up with what we do.Yet you didn't know I am a webmaster?

Yes I am and have been for a few months.No promotion here.

Q

[funkymotha]

ahh so your prejudice then Q.

You know nothing about me other than what ET has said about me yet she knows nothing about me either. The only contact ET and I have had is a few emails where I requested to know what happened to my account ( all contact is noted on GPF so you can check it out) and the thread (on GPF) where I exposed her for ripping off her members. So your prejudgement was so bad that you couldnt say what you thought about me because of swear filters? :\

BTW you wont be laughing off your derriere when it does happen to you, believe me, its just a matter of time (how do I know this? its happened to all her defenders but they all think they are so special to her, it wont happen to them but it did!).

Also a 'good webmaster' wouldnt delete anyone for their beliefs or opinions or indeed if they dont agree with you in ONE particular instance, its called constructive criticism.

[lil crusader]

Q - In your own mind you may consider yourself to be a 'webmaster' but your behavior and attitude towards others proves otherwise.

You're a little fish in a big pond who has let a little power go to your head, nothing more.

You're not a true webmaster now, let alone a good one, and it doesn't seem likely you will ever be one. The ability to delete an account does NOT make a person a webmaster!

Besides, I'm hearing rumors that you didn't actually delete any accounts at all. Good webmasters DO NOT lie. Didn't you know that?

BTW...your favorite song wouldn't happen to be "My Way" would it?

:)

[qcp]

And the rumours fly...why am I shocked?

I don't take pride in deleting accounts.I hate doing it!I've got people clicking cheat links left and right that I haven't deleted.Why?Because I hate deleting members.I try to avoid it.

You say I'm not a webmaster and never will be.Get used to me...I run one of the best PTR sites on the net and there's absolutely nothing you can do to change that.

Cheers,

Q

[funkymotha]

It seems your site is down Q

[qcp]

No Surforhits is up and running fine:)

Hosted by Turner Services with no downtime like the wannabes provide.

Q

[lil crusader]

hmmm, I didn't realize that the "best PTR sites" had WMs who had to pay their members partial payments out of their own pockets and then order them to go tell others that they had been paid.

Silly me - I am obviously confused. :)

[qcp]

Order is such a harsh word.My post here minus member names and amounts:

sorry just partials but getting payments done.
Go tell everybody Surforhits DOES PAY.

That was ordering people?I don't think so and I doubt anyone else does either.

Q

[freecashspace]

Hey, is anybody besides me waiting for the day Evelyn makes yet another change to her TOS and requires members to go post at all the "Evil Forums" whenever they get paid?

Maybe she'll even decide that people who post more "I GOT PAID!" messages will move higher up "the list" and get paid before those who only post once or twice.

But I guess they wouldn't be allowed to mention that they only got paid a PARTIAL payment out of Q's Clickbuxx Family paycheck.

But anyway, back to the topic. Did we ever get to the bottom of the hacker situation? Has Q ever offered any evidence to prove the guy was a hacker, or any sort of apology if it turned out he wasn't?

Seems only fair that there'd be some kind of public apology if a public accusation ended up being false, doesn't it?

Cheers,

Wil

[qcp]

Wil,

We are at the bottom of that hacking accusation.I just made a public apology in GPF.

Happy?

Q

[freecashspace]

Way to go, Q.

Maybe you'd like to make one here too?

And maybe Evelyn would also like to make a public apology?

Cheers,

Wil

Originally posted by qcp
Wil,

We are at the bottom of that hacking accusation.I just made a public apology in GPF.

Happy?

Q

[qcp]

If Jim comes here and asks me for an apology,I will give it.I won't run around pacifying you though.Unless you want me to come to freecashspace.com?Do you have a forum there anyway?Or is that just a "dummy" site?

Q