The Future Of GPTBoycott

[Rob]

YOU decide!

What do YOU, the audience, want to see more of at GPTBoycott?
What do you want to see less of?

What do you want us to do better?
What do you think could be added to improve the GPTBoycott site?

This is YOUR site, so we want to hear YOUR opinions!

The future of GPTBoycott is in your hands... all feasible ideas WILL be considered!

Rob, GPTBoycott.Com :cool:

[chris34]

Bring back seal of approval

And get rid of sites with approval that dont deserve it :)

[Rob]

The reinstation of the GPTBoycott Seal Of Approval is under firm consideration among the GPTBoycott Staff.

If you wish to lodge a complaint against one of the winners of the Seal Of Approval, then please feel free to start a thread within the relevant area, and draw my attention to it via Private Message.

Rob

[rattler015]

Why don't you pay more attention at remarks of your addressees?

[rattler015]

I sent you several messages about disbehavure of Webmasters/Webmistresses, yet you NEVER replied!
So how about missmanagements?
Are you above the law?

[DAzHiredGun]

Originally posted by rattler015
I sent you several messages about disbehavure of Webmasters/Webmistresses, yet you NEVER replied!
So how about missmanagements?
Are you above the law?

Above the law? No. My career, of 32 years, has been the interpretation, application and enforcement of law ... primarily violent felony crimes against persons.

There are five members of this staff. If one fails to answer your question(s), in a timely manner ... try another staff member.

As to behavior habits, ethics, honesty or moral character of certain program owners, we do not contact the POs to voice someone else's complaint. Instead, we provide the forums for you to discuss these "traits" ... offer opinions and receive the opinions of others.


Ron

[rattler015]

Well, if you do need three weeks to react, you are too late anyhow!
I like to be answered in a timely matter,yes, but those intervals are too big!
If you take care of a forum this big, you are supposed to read and react to questions as soon as possible, NOT wait weeks to react.

[Tmarie99]

Originally posted by rattler015
Well, if you do need three weeks to react, you are too late anyhow!
I like to be answered in a timely matter,yes, but those intervals are too big!
If you take care of a forum this big, you are supposed to read and react to questions as soon as possible, NOT wait weeks to react.

Ummm, ever heard of that little thing called THE REAL WORLD and the Responsibilities that come with it???
If you have problems THAT large, hun, you need legal counsel NOT some gripe forum. No offense to Ron and all the others in management here, but come on, dude, you don't honestly expect everyone to drop everything for you. Do you?
As to the "above the law" comment.... HUH? Since when did it become unlawful to not reply to some gripe as soon as the complainer felt he/she deserved? Show me that law.
And, hun, take pill. If you are desperate for help, don't come here, get legal in the real world. I have tons of respect for all the managers and many of the members here, but in reality they can only give advice and if you're in trouble you don't need to wait on advice from strangers in an online forum.

[rattler015]

Does a timely matter be too fast for you?
Then why the heck did you react anyway?
YOU started this forum, so YOU are responsible for answering anybody that has a question, and don't shove it back in our throats!
We are patient enough to wait for an answer, but that should not take weeks.

[DAzHiredGun]

Originally posted by rattler015
Well, if you do need three weeks to react, you are too late anyhow!
I like to be answered in a timely matter,yes, but those intervals are too big!
If you take care of a forum this big, you are supposed to read and react to questions as soon as possible, NOT wait weeks to react.

The staff personnel, at GPTBoycott, work on a volunteer basis. As volunteers, there are NO REQUIREMENTS placed on any staff member to read and react to questions as soon as possible. We do the best we can, individually, to fit this into our respective schedules. We are not paid to do this. We only benefit from knowing we occasionally help prevent some instances of fraud, or reduce the numbers being defrauded.

If your problem, or question, was urgent and required immediate attention ... why not contact one of the staff directly, by PM, instead of posting in the forum and hoping one of us would read it?

By the way, my reaction to your post was within minutes of having read this thread for the first time.


Ron

[DAzHiredGun]

Originally posted by rattler015
Does a timely matter be too fast for you?
Then why the heck did you react anyway?
YOU started this forum, so YOU are responsible for answering anybody that has a question, and don't shove it back in our throats!
We are patient enough to wait for an answer, but that should not take weeks.


Though you did not specify, and, since I brought up "timely manner," I will presume your comments are directed to me and will respond.

Does a timely matter be too fast for you?
No ... if you mean timely manner. I'm not sure what you mean by "timely matter."

Then why the heck did you react anyway?
You alleged your messages were unanswered; so, I responded.

YOU started this forum, so YOU are responsible for answering anybody that has a question, and don't shove it back in our throats!
EXCUSE ME?? I fail to see where anyone is shoving anything down anyone's throat. What exactly is your question? I posted earlier to try to help ... if you need it. If not, pardon my intervention.


Ron

[Rob]

I'd just like to add I was approached a matter of days ago via PM by a member of GPTBoycott about remarks made by one of the Staff here, and the matter was dealt with, privately that day.

Please, don't blame us for not taking action, when we are not asked to take it- this was the first time I had been asked about this by a member.

Rob

[Tmarie99]

If you don't like it don't let the door hit you in the @$$ as you're leaving.
This is a FREE forum run by VOLUNTEERS. There is no law anywhere on the planet that says anyone must drop everything to respond to you, rattler.



Sorry, Ron and all, but I like this place and think y'all are doing a great job and can't stand to see whiners complaining because you didn't kiss their arse.

[roseannintexas]

I agree w/ TMarie & her post above 100%!!!
I have always appreciated ANY help or response that I have gotten from GPTBoycott. I've also understod that it is a volunteer operation & a GREAT service to US!
As far as suggestions-can't think of anything! I LOVE this site!

[Tmarie99]

Thank you, Roseann. Everyone here must admit that the people in charge here respond far better than 99% of the webmasters out there.

Heck, if all webmasters responded like the management team here there'd be a lot less activity on this site.

[StashuJ]

Originally posted by Tmarie99
Ummm, ever heard of that little thing called THE REAL WORLD and the Responsibilities that come with it???
If you have problems THAT large, hun, you need legal counsel NOT some gripe forum. No offense to Ron and all the others in management here, but come on, dude, you don't honestly expect everyone to drop everything for you. Do you?
As to the "above the law" comment.... HUH? Since when did it become unlawful to not reply to some gripe as soon as the complainer felt he/she deserved? Show me that law.
And, hun, take pill. If you are desperate for help, don't come here, get legal in the real world. I have tons of respect for all the managers and many of the members here, but in reality they can only give advice and if you're in trouble you don't need to wait on advice from strangers in an online forum.

I wondered about when that law was written myself. Especially when the complaint makes little sense.

And yes, I think that living in the west DOES make me nuts--especially when "west" is the darn desert--baked brains LOL!

[Tmarie99]

Originally posted by StashuJ
I wondered about when that law was written myself. Especially when the complaint makes little sense.

And yes, I think that living in the west DOES make me nuts--especially when "west" is the darn desert--baked brains LOL!


heehee... I think the fact that the complainer is constantly complaining and never ever happy about anything the complaints tend to be set on a back burner. I know that rattler's posts have become a source of humor. It's hard to believe that anyone could possibly be that unhappy. Even the link I checked seems to be very angry, the opening lines, anyway.
You're not taken seriously when all you ever do is gripe. People begin to think of you as a whiner, not a watchdog.
Re. the Baked Brains... I can believe it. I have a sister in law in Vegas who is very close to completely insane. LOL:alien:

[StashuJ]

LOL! I swear to you it is the sunshine that bakes your brains. I hope I escape from here before they come after me with the butterfly net and lock me away.

[grammyj]

If you don't like it don't let the door hit you in the @$$ as you're leaving.
This is a FREE forum run by VOLUNTEERS. There is no law anywhere on the planet that says anyone must drop everything to respond to you, rattler.



Sorry, Ron and all, but I like this place and think y'all are doing a great job and can't stand to see whiners complaining because you didn't kiss their arse.

I totally agree. I'll even hold the door open for you. ;) :hehe: ;)

[Tmarie99]

:hehe: I totally agree. I'll even hold the door open for you. ;) :hehe: ;)

Heehee... Then he won't have to worry about the door putting a smack where the good Lord put a crack! LOL
Sorry, just saw a chance for a bad bad joke and jumped on it. LOL

[srac]

The reinstation of the GPTBoycott Seal Of Approval is under firm consideration among the GPTBoycott Staff.

Rob

Some Suggestions:

1) Think about taking into consideration other evaluation programs such as EVALPTC Team, which has some strict rules. You may even want to consider contacting the owner, and try to corridnate with him and maybe get some more detailed explanations on why a particular program passed or failed.

2) Create a voulteener evaluation team yourself to test the payouts. You can set the rules for the testers what to watch for and report. Then once a program passed the test, then it could be voted on by the members.

3) Give more guidelines to the 1-20 rating system. Such as:

1) WM deleted my account after asking for a payout
2) Requested payout and having problems with the WM
3) Payouts waiting over a year.
4) Payouts waiting over 9 months.
5) Payouts waiting over 6 months
6) Payouts waiting over 3 months
7) Payout waiting under 1 month.
8) Been Paid once; waited 1 year
9) Been paid once; waited 9 months.
10) Been paid once; waited 6 months
11) Been paid once; waited 3 months
12) Been Paid, but had problems with the WM
13) Been paid up to 3 times average wait 2+ months
14) Been Paid up to 3 times average wait 1+ month
15) Been paid up to 5 times average wait 2 +months
16) Been paid up to 5 times average wait 1 + months
17) Been paid up to 10 times average wait 2+ months
18) Been paid 10+ times wait 1+ month
19) Been paid 3+ times average wait under a week
20) Been paid 5+ times average wait under a week

That is just an example. You could set up one for every catagory, and then let the members help you tweak it. Then the members can choose which fits best with their situation.

It would give us a better guideline than one member who gives the program a 18 for being paid but had to wait for 6 months. Another member giving a program an 18 that had been paid, but had to fight with the wm to get their money. Another member for giving the program an 18 had 3 payments, no problems, and had an average of less than a week wait.

4) Instead of giving every number a value, you could also ask members to PM you answers to questions in order for their vote to count. The questions would be a part of the final rating. Such as:
How long have you been in the program?
How many times have you been paid?
What was your average waiting period for the payout?
Have you had problems with the WM in being paid out?
Are you currently waiting for a payment?
If so how long have you been waiting?

[Rob]

Hi srac,

Many thanks for your suggestions, which are invaluable to the GPTBoycott Staff, and most appreciated.

I agree, the 1-20 votes should have guidelines. However, I do not believe it should be based upon number of payments, as many honest, decent programs who work hard for outside advertisers have slightly less earning potential - yet are decent, honest businesses more than worthy of our Seal.

I believe the majority of your comments will be reviewed by the Staff here.

Rob

[SelfSupportive]

Bring back seal of approval

And get rid of sites with approval that dont deserve it :)

Oh please!!!!! No No No! :!:

Get rid of the seal program completely, including the existing 'winners'.
Concentrate exclusively on the primary focus - bad programs and boycotting!
Throw your weight behind Beenpaid.com as a more effective seal of approval program. I believe it is far more efficient that way.

[Rob]

Oh please!!!!! No No No! :!:

Get rid of the seal program completely, including the existing 'winners'.
Concentrate exclusively on the primary focus - bad programs and boycotting!
Throw your weight behind Beenpaid.com as a more effective seal of approval program. I believe it is far more efficient that way.

Thanks for your post SelfSupportive.
On a personal note, I've derived a lot from this post.

Hmm.. watch for future developments.

Rob

[wolfwalker]

even though I'm not sure you really want to hear from me.

1) Verify, verify, verify and don't wait until you have complaints that are 10-11 months old to do it. I know you are all busy with real jobs but why not ask for more volunteers to contact the program owners being complained against to check the complaints? Do it immediately instead of waiting. As a complaint comes in (and I KNOW you get a lot) check it out right away and determine its validity in the scheme of things before allowing it to affect further decisions.

2) Try to keep in touch with the members posting the complaints to see if a resolution has already been made. If someone posts a verified complaint a year ago, try to contact them when or if another complaint comes in to see if their problem still exists.

3) Change your form to require that they enter their member name in the program and a valid e-mail address. People with legitimate complaints will not mind entering this information as long as they know it's going to be kept private. If they enter incorrect information then throw out the complaint.

4) Open a dialogue with the program owners. Don't rely on e-mails or their contact sites. If they have a forum use it. Many owners are also busy with their real jobs not to mention dealing with running their programs.

5) Don't make it sound like you are the police department for the PTR world. I could open a forum tomorrow and declare programs boycotted. You have no more or less power than I if you don't make yourselves totally above reproach.

6) If you have the opportunity to keep in touch with the program forums do it but don't just read the number of complaints, watch to see how those complaints are dealt with and by whom. A member or even a moderator calling the complainer names is very different than a program owner doing the same. Watch for patterns. If and how things are resolved is just as important as the number of posts (not saying you don't do this but just making a point).

7) Do not publicly announce the boycott until you have exhausted EVERY opportunity to allow the program owner to rebutt the complaints. One or even a few unanswered e-mails just don't cut it. Keep trying until you get a response even if that means posting a "CONTACT ME, PLEASE" on a public forum.

8) I confess to not knowing specifics of just exactly how you make your judgements but in my humble opinion it's only the opinion of five(?) people. I know opening things up for a vote is not a viable option so I don't really have a suggestion for this but I'm sure there are enough brains in this world of PTR to come up with SOMETHING.

9) Expand your committee and let people know who you are. I'm a relative newbie to your world. I've been here to read and have posted a bit but have never really known who all of you are, except for Ron and Rob. Get in touch with the "little" people like me.

10) Create some way for the boycott to be removed other than basing action on YOUR perception of improvement. Again, I don't necessarily believe that a vote is the way to go but perhaps it's better than basing it on just perceptions of a very few.

I hope that regardless of what you may think of me personally, you will at least read and consider these suggestions. As I said if you are not totally above reproach and there is even a hint that you aren't totally unbiased in your decisions or haven't made EVERY effort to validate the complaints, you only succeed in turning people like me away from your forum and losing what could be a HUGE supporter.

[lexie]

even though I'm not sure you really want to hear from me.

1) Verify, verify, verify and don't wait until you have complaints that are 10-11 months old to do it. I know you are all busy with real jobs but why not ask for more volunteers to contact the program owners being complained against to check the complaints? Do it immediately instead of waiting. As a complaint comes in (and I KNOW you get a lot) check it out right away and determine its validity in the scheme of things before allowing it to affect further decisions.

2) Try to keep in touch with the members posting the complaints to see if a resolution has already been made. If someone posts a verified complaint a year ago, try to contact them when or if another complaint comes in to see if their problem still exists.

3) Change your form to require that they enter their member name in the program and a valid e-mail address. People with legitimate complaints will not mind entering this information as long as they know it's going to be kept private. If they enter incorrect information then throw out the complaint.

4) Open a dialogue with the program owners. Don't rely on e-mails or their contact sites. If they have a forum use it. Many owners are also busy with their real jobs not to mention dealing with running their programs.

5) Don't make it sound like you are the police department for the PTR world. I could open a forum tomorrow and declare programs boycotted. You have no more or less power than I if you don't make yourselves totally above reproach.

6) If you have the opportunity to keep in touch with the program forums do it but don't just read the number of complaints, watch to see how those complaints are dealt with and by whom. A member or even a moderator calling the complainer names is very different than a program owner doing the same. Watch for patterns. If and how things are resolved is just as important as the number of posts (not saying you don't do this but just making a point).

7) Do not publicly announce the boycott until you have exhausted EVERY opportunity to allow the program owner to rebutt the complaints. One or even a few unanswered e-mails just don't cut it. Keep trying until you get a response even if that means posting a "CONTACT ME, PLEASE" on a public forum.

8) I confess to not knowing specifics of just exactly how you make your judgements but in my humble opinion it's only the opinion of five(?) people. I know opening things up for a vote is not a viable option so I don't really have a suggestion for this but I'm sure there are enough brains in this world of PTR to come up with SOMETHING.

9) Expand your committee and let people know who you are. I'm a relative newbie to your world. I've been here to read and have posted a bit but have never really known who all of you are, except for Ron and Rob. Get in touch with the "little" people like me.

10) Create some way for the boycott to be removed other than basing action on YOUR perception of improvement. Again, I don't necessarily believe that a vote is the way to go but perhaps it's better than basing it on just perceptions of a very few.

I hope that regardless of what you may think of me personally, you will at least read and consider these suggestions. As I said if you are not totally above reproach and there is even a hint that you aren't totally unbiased in your decisions or haven't made EVERY effort to validate the complaints, you only succeed in turning people like me away from your forum and losing what could be a HUGE supporter.


You've put a lot of thinking into this post . And I want to say thank you . I'm very tired from all the forum monitoring and could not have come up w/ so many good ideas . IMO , you've been very helpful .

[lexie]

BTW , while I'm here , let me give you a little more into about myself .

At this time , my duties here are basically moderating the forum . I don't do much lot more than that .

I'm a program owner . My program , RewardsDivine received the seal of approval some time ago . At that time , I was just a normal member here . Later , I sought a program manager for RD because my husband sort of felt I was married to my program instead of him -- so to speak . Sometime after that , I was asked it I would like to join the team here . I feel really honored in receiving the seal and being on the team .

I also own computer-looters -- not a ptr .

Personal info ..... I'm married , as I've said , have 3 adult children (mine) and 1 minor child ( my husbands son ) . I work full time as a cook . I am a professional cook , studied catering/gourmet cooking .

[wolfwalker]

You've put a lot of thinking into this post . And I want to say thank you . I'm very tired from all the forum monitoring and could not have come up w/ so many good ideas . IMO , you've been very helpful .

Contrary to what some people on other forums have said, I HAVE been thinking about this and HAVE been trying to come up with constructive suggestions.

Something occured to me while chatting with a friend earlier today (someone who until today had never heard of PTR but IS in the marketing business). We were discussing the boycott process and she wondered, as I have, about the fact that there are only a few of you making the decisions.

We kind of kicked it around for a while and came up with an idea. Why not have a panel of say between 50 and 100 volunteers to review the findings you and the others come up with and place a vote. Kind of like a jury trial.

You wouldn't need to use all of the volunteers for all of the boycotts, in fact if they belong to or have belonged to the program under consideration they should be excluded.

Maybe it's not a practical suggestion but it's something to consider.

[lexie]

A little brain storming eh ? Very kewl .

Rob likes to check in here . Sometimes I think suggestions and site improvements is his favorite part of the site . And that's a good thing :c) I hope he'll soon come by a see what you've posted too . If he's busy elsewhere , I'll give 'im a little nudge .

[wolfwalker]

A little brain storming eh ? Very kewl .

Depending on who you talk to the "little" is attached to the brain not the storming, but we try. :stupid: :D Sometimes outsider's views are much clearer than those who are too involved.

Rob likes to check in here . Sometimes I think suggestions and site improvements is his favorite part of the site . And that's a good thing :c) I hope he'll soon come by a see what you've posted too . If he's busy elsewhere , I'll give 'im a little nudge .

The point in the last suggestion was that when you get right down to it the more people you have involved the less likely that people will be able blame the decisions on bias and vendettas. Oh they'll try but you will have the numbers to back you up.

The only real problem I see is finding 100 honest volunteers. ;)

[Rob]

Just to let you know I have read your comments and suggestions :)

While I feel there are issues at hand which are more pressing at this moment in time (developments regarding AYS, and other developments which visitors will see in the very near future)... I do think your suggestions are good and I have taken them duly on board :)

Rob

[alicia27]

My only suggestion is to have a forum giving us ideas on what we can do when we have been taken advantage of these programs, like reporting them to state attorney generals, etc. Also, how far should we go? Do we just let it go, or do we go on a campaign letting everyone know how awful the program is?

Any ideas are welcome!

[DAzHiredGun]

My only suggestion is to have a forum giving us ideas on what we can do when we have been taken advantage of these programs, like reporting them to state attorney generals, etc. Also, how far should we go? Do we just let it go, or do we go on a campaign letting everyone know how awful the program is?

Any ideas are welcome!


Why wait until you are a victim before taking action?

I'm not being critical of you, Alicia; I appreciate your concern. I doubt there are very many people who have taken the time to find out what recourses are available, via statutes, covering prosecution of computer fraud. Perhaps the reason is that they do not know who to contact.

To assist in determining options available specifically to/for you, contact the District Attorney's Office in your area. Ask an investigator, Assistant DA or the DA if there are statutes covering computer fraud and what evidence is required. Don't be alarmed if you have to explain what "paid-to" is. In most instances, your local DA prosecutes the same crimes as the Attorney General, but on a smaller scale.

If you are told there are no statutes, or, there is nothing you can do, write your legislators and ask for consideration to be given to proposing a bill that represents the voters involved in the "paid-to industry." You will be contacting elected officials, including the DA, who are in office to represent you.

In addition, voice you complaints in the complaint threads and submit a formal complaint for boycotting.


Ron

[PayToSurfTrauma]

My only suggestion is to have a forum giving us ideas on what we can do when we have been taken advantage of these programs, like reporting them to state attorney generals, etc. Also, how far should we go? Do we just let it go, or do we go on a campaign letting everyone know how awful the program is?

Any ideas are welcome!

That's what we're here for. You come to us, or you come to GPTBoycott or you go to the iSAAF - preferably, all three. We will advise you as necessery.

You do a DNS lookup on whois.com and get the details of the webmaster/owner and save them - you never know when they'll resurface.

You find other people who have been ripped off until you have enough to launch a class action lawsuit. With the amount of money as low as we're probably talking and the law the way it is, on your own, you aint got a chance. I don't think there has ever been a class action lawsuit yet, but we need one and a big one. A good candidate is Stormpay, but thats another issue.

Regardless or what Ron said (and you will likely be told by attorneys) there ARE laws in effect against GPT companies - they dont require a seperate statutes. If they dont pay you, they have commited fraud. Depending on where they are located, they are also guilty of trade descriptions breaches. There may be nothing you can get them for directly, but there are other laws that cover it.

What is lacking is unity here. I've made no secret of my problems with this particular board in the past but hell, here I am, and this board has made no secret of their problems with me. (And I bet they don't remember me and they certainly won't using this nic - but if the mods want to pm me about this, I'll remind you ;O) ) but the one thing we have in common is a desire to change things.

PTST and GPTBoycott along with the iSAAF (quiet as it may be) and BeenPaid need to stand together, we need to mount a serious challenge to the governing bodies of our countries. I think the only way to do this is by drumming up support for a class action lawsuit against a program that has hurt a lot of our members.

I think this is a problem that we as group owners rather than you as members need to deal with before you as members stand a chance. I could be wrong, but I'd be interested in a responce :O)

[DAzHiredGun]

I don't think there has ever been a class action lawsuit yet, but we need one and a big one. A good candidate is Stormpay, but thats another issue.

Regardless or what Ron said (and you will likely be told by attorneys) there ARE laws in effect against GPT companies - they dont require a seperate statutes. If they dont pay you, they have commited fraud. Depending on where they are located, they are also guilty of trade descriptions breaches. There may be nothing you can get them for directly, but there are other laws that cover it.

What is lacking is unity here. I've made no secret of my problems with this particular board in the past but hell, here I am, and this board has made no secret of their problems with me. (And I bet they don't remember me and they certainly won't using this nic - but if the mods want to pm me about this, I'll remind you ;O) ) but the one thing we have in common is a desire to change things.

PTST and GPTBoycott along with the iSAAF (quiet as it may be) and BeenPaid need to stand together, we need to mount a serious challenge to the governing bodies of our countries. ...I could be wrong, but I'd be interested in a responce :O)


Concerning class action, I think there has been at least one that ended in settlement: http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3407.

I suppose you meant to say: Regardless oF what Ron said .... there ARE laws in effect against GPT companies. I did not say there were not laws in effect. If you re-read my post, I said: If you are told there are no statutes, or, there is nothing you can do .... Too often, there is a difference in what someone is told and what is factually correct, either due to ignorance or deception. I have seen instances when prosecutors did not know, or were unfamiliar with, certain laws that were in effect; and, instances when a prosecutor, out of laziness, simply stated "there's nothing that can be done," implying there was no law to cover the given circumstances. My point is, there ARE attorneys, some of whom are prosecutors, that do not know the law as well as they should.


Ron

[PayToSurfTrauma]

I'm not coming across very well today :Op

I'm saying exactly the same thing you are here so I'll try to reword it.... What I meant is more like this:

While Ron is right that you're likely to be told that there are no statutes in place and any legal advice you take is unlikely to be heeded, there are still laws in place that can be pursude even though they are not industry specific. Don't let anybody stop you - you can push for this.

I should have written 'Despite Rons point' rather than 'regardless of what Ron said' :O)

I'm lucky in that I know my solicitor personally and not just professionally so I can probably get more done than most (though I hope there are more in my situation) but I'm unlucky in that I am a victim of geography - most programs are US based so from the UK there aren't many I can tackle. For the most part, all I can do is advise - though we're just waiting on a test case on this side of the pond.

As for the ePIPO thing - I'd heard of that starting out, but seeing as the surfbar side of their business is long dead, I'd written it off. The last couple of years I've had major things going on IRL, so I've not being able to keep up with everything - this was one of the things I missed. It's a start, but by the sheer volume of scams, shams and unsustainables about, its not enough. We need more of this :O)

[DAzHiredGun]

LOL ... thanks for the clarification. I'm glad we agree.


Ron

[qcp]

LOL ... thanks for the clarification. I'm glad we agree.


Ron

Perhaps you should ask a District Attorney where you live..If you're not one...still unsure What those 32 years in law enforcement is.

I'm still curious about your legal right to boycott dozens of sites while your partner lifts the boycott on one site because your system is by his admission flawed?Care to answer that?Then we can discuss the Copyright owned by Evelyn Turner...not you or Ron...LOL

Q

[Tmarie99]

Perhaps you should ask a District Attorney where you live..If you're not one...still unsure What those 32 years in law enforcement is.

I'm still curious about your legal right to boycott dozens of sites while your partner lifts the boycott on one site because your system is by his admission flawed?Care to answer that?Then we can discuss the Copyright owned by Evelyn Turner...not you or Ron...LOL

Q
It's called Freedom of Choice. There is no legal obligation to remove anyone.
32 years in law enforcement, are you uninformed enough to believe that one doesn't have to be an attorney to be in l.e. for 32 years? Duh.

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Perhaps you should ask a District Attorney where you live..If you're not one...still unsure What those 32 years in law enforcement is.

Ask what? As for the 32 years: six months with a Sheriff's Dept.; nine years as a "street cop", including seven as a detective; seven years as Chief of Police; over sixteen years with a DA's Office as Chief of Criminal Investigations.


I'm still curious about your legal right to boycott dozens of sites while your partner lifts the boycott on one site because your system is by his admission flawed?Care to answer that?

I answered this in a previous post. Note the comments of May 11, more specifically ... the last two sentences:

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25072&postcount=11


Then we can discuss the Copyright owned by Evelyn Turner...not you or Ron...LOL

I think not; we does not include you. By admission, you only act as a spokesperson; therefore, your comments on the subject would be "third party" information ... hearsay. Should there be any discussions concerning that matter, I doubt you will be a consideration. I'm still curious how one obtains the copyright of stolen, altered and forged property of another ... but, you cannot answer that without offering second-hand information.


Ron