Allyousubmitters with a new way to cheat members.

[asutony]

Allyousubmitters has now added a new scheme to cheat their members. They have put a cheat link on their redemption page. Here is the wording.

redemption_description: COLLECT ALL EARNINGS - NO MINIMUM PAYOUT
donate all your earnings - your account will no longer exist
irreversable comprehension of terms/payments redemption
THANK YOU FOR INCREASING OUR MEMBERSHIPS VALUE TO ADVERTISERS
redemption_value: 0
redemption_type: cash

They will go to any length to keep from paying members.

[kglaser]

That's not new...it's been on the redemption page for a long time, if not since the site's relaunch.

[briza]

That just makes it real easy to unsub if unhappy.

[asutony]

Briza you don't understand. You go to request your earnings which for this ptr is $50 so it takes a lot of work. If you accidently click this particular redemption they keep your money. This is not an unsubscribe option. And I don't remember but I bet when you scroll down the list of redemption options, this one will show up before you get to the one that will actually allow you to receive your payout.

[briza]

COLLECT ALL EARNINGS - NO MINIMUM PAYOUT
donate all your earnings - your account will no longer exist
irreversable comprehension of terms/payments redemption
THANK YOU FOR INCREASING OUR MEMBERSHIPS VALUE TO ADVERTISERS
Spend Cash $ 0
Request Redemption

Money gone, account gone. Looks like ez unsub to me. Don't click it, and like everyone always keeps telling us, READ IT.
:hehe:

PS: I'm a member at AYS and got that right off the redemption page. Actually first time I saw/read it, I was kinda amused by it.

[asutony]

Sounds like typical double talk to me. You should not be trying to trick people out of their money when they try to request payment. You need to look up redemption in the dictionary, I'm sure it does not say ez unsub.

[briza]

zzzzz
So it's ok to click links for 5 cents a piece, but it's too much to ask for to PAY ATTENTION when wanting your money? Thats what they pay you for, to look at stuff, so why is it so hard to read the fine print before wildly clicking random links on the payout page. That's just never been a good idea, and I would think that if you can read english, this should not affect you.
I can't believe you're getting so riled up over something so minor as this. When there is a mad trend out there right now to cut and chop what is left of peoples accounts at nile, betty's, beezy clickin etc.
Sorry but AYS never told me one thing at signup and then delivered another. And it does state there is cheat links, and that you're not supposed to click them.
So in order to redeem, you should have to prove you're eligible, by not clicking that button, you've proven you earned it.
And that's just all there is to it. :p

[asutony]

Here are the terms of service. Where does it state that they will send cheat links?

AYS PTR Terms Of Service


By signing up and actively using the AYS PTR program you agree to all terms and conditions set forth in this agreement. AYS may, at any time, choose to edit, add and/or delete portions of this agreement and impose changes without prior notification of its members. Members will be informed of any and all changes to this policy via an email to their primary contact email address provided upon signing up with AYS PTR. If any modification is unacceptable to you, your only recourse is to terminate this agreement. Your continued participation in the AYS PTR program following our posting of a change in policy notice or new agreement on our site will constitute binding acceptance to the change.

Responsibility of Members:

You must be 16 years of age or older to participate in this program. Our program is open to both US and International members and is void where prohibited by local governing laws or if banned by the AYS PTR Program.

You must be able to understand, read and write in English. This is required as 98% of our advertisements are in English and you must also be able to communicate with AYS PTR admin.

You agree to and must use your own name and email address in the sign-up process and may not assume a false identity. You may not sign-up multiple times with different email addresses. Your computer must not be shared with another individual that has an existing AYS PTR account.

Cookies - Deletion or Blocking of harmless/informational cookies that AYS uses to track your earnings and other neccessary information, will result in immediate deletion of your membership, forfeiting all priviledges and earnings accumulated.

You will use your email address / password combination to access your account, it is your responsibility to keep this information confidential, you may change this information by logging into your account and following the "User Account Info." link.
You are solely responsible for any and all use of your AYS PTR account including authorization by you to any third party individual who may use your account.

Should any instances of fraud, system abuse, or any type of activity deemed to be inappropriate or illegal by AYS be detected it will result in member termination and possible legal action. Any solicitation of advertisers for a confirmation email for purposes of receiving credit in your account will be grounds for immediate termination. Opening multiple Paid Emails in seperate windows at the same time to let the timer "run out" on each ad in order to earn credit for that ad is also grounds for immediate termination. Your are paid to read the ads, not just open them.

You must maintain your e-mail account that you used when signing up with AYS PTR. You agree to receive e-mail advertising from AYS PTR. limited to no more than (15) per day.

You must stay active in this program. This requires clicking on at least 1 Paid Email or Paid 2 Click Banner within a 30 day period. Failure to do so will result in the closing of your account and the loss of your earnings.

In the event your e-mail account on file becomes closed or blocked to messages from AYS PTR, your account will be terminated. This especially applies to e-mail accounts returned for being Full. Any member sending us gibberish, emails containing foul comments or threats will result in automatic termination of account and Forfeiture of All earnings to date of termination. Auto-responses will also be deleted immediately.

Relationship of the Parties:

You and the AYS PTR Program are independent contractors, and nothing in this Agreement creates any partnership, joint venture, agency, franchise, sales representative or employment relationship between you and the AYS PTR Program or AYS. You understand that you do not have authority to make or accept any offers or make any representations on behalf of AYS. You may not make any statement, whether on your site or otherwise, that would contradict anything in this section. You are solely responsible for the reporting and payment of any taxes for money earned while using the program.

Limitation of Liability:

The AYS PTR Program will not be liable for lost profits, lost business opportunities, or any other indirect, special, punitive, incidental or consequential damages arising out of or related to this Agreement or the AYS PTR program, even if AYS has been advised of the possibility of such damages. Furthermore, AYS PTR aggregate liability arising under this Agreement will not exceed the amount of the total fees paid or payable to you under this Agreement. The provisions of this Section survive termination or expiration of the Agreement.

Payments:

Members may earn by receiving paid-emails and visiting the advertiser websites after they have entered their member ID in the area on the website provided by AYS PTR. Members may earn by referring new members to the AYS PTR program. Members will earn a percentage of advertising revenues collected by AYS PTR. Members will be paid via International Money Order. AYS PTR will pay members when their balance reaches the minimum payout rate set by the AYS PTR Program ($50.00). Once the member has reached payout they may request payment. Payments will be made within 30 days or a reasonable time after.

Spam:

You may not promote your referral links through unsolicited emailing (i.e. SPAMMING), newsgroup postings, or any other method of mass communication. Failure to comply will result in immediate termination of your membership with the AYS PTR Program and may result in legal prosecution. AYS strictly enforces anti-Spamming laws. Spamming is a federal crime. Any member caught Spamming will not only have their account terminated immediately and lose any past, present and future earnings, but shall also be held liable for Spamming as we shall cooperate with any authorities and investigations that may arise from the Spamming incident. AYS may charge up to $5 per spam email sent. Multiple sign-ups shall be grounds for immediate termination of all involved accounts. Signing up multiple times from the same computer also constitutes fraud. AYS will file charges for recovery of any earnings received from multiple sign-ups.

[briza]

AYS sent out several emails stating they were going to start using cheat links. I READ them. So I know there is cheat links, next.

[rainbowfae2]

alot of programs i belong to have cheat links, not only for people who can not speak english (for those that state must read and understand english) but for those who use automatick click programs, one site i belong to has already caught alot that use just the automatic click programs, and what is the big deal about the first listing on the ays page, i have seen it on at least one other program i belong to, and i have not seen anyone complain about that sight,,,hmmmmm could it be because the other site has a lower min. payout, so what big deal, keep clicking, keep reading, if you want to make money, because i know a few people who have gotten paid by ays, might take awhile but they do pay, unlike some others that have just been scams.
ok said my peace.
will be quite for a little while again
hehehe

[briza]

Yea, that's what I'm saying. If you even only half pay attention, cheat links and sucker buttons SHOULD not be a problem for ya. It's a cruel world :p and you gotta look out for number one always. (Don't step in it)