ExitCashFlow? Closed? [Archive] - GPTBoycott Discussion Forum

nickiedog

8th September 2003, 15:23

Email from ECF received 8/26/03 reads as follows:

Hello all!

Well, after a busy couple of days, we have been forced to change our main Admin email account. We are still going through the 1.9 gig file that was created by 21,000+ emails delivered to admin@exitcashflow.com in the last 5 days - 99% of them the same Virus over and over and over again. Needless to say, it was wrecking havoc with our server and it just would not stop.

The result is that we have been forced to remove Admin@exitcashflow.com as a valid email address, at least for now. In a few weeks we will re-create it and see if it bogs down the server again. In the meantime, don't reply to this email address (we purposely left admin@exitcashflow.com as the from address to trick the virus's on machines that reply back to it).

In the meantime, if you have a question, post it on the Message Forum:
http://www.exitcashflow.com/forums/
or email the new admin email address:
ecfadmin@exitcashflow.com

Thank you and have a good day!

Matt - voltec@exitcashflow.com
ECF Admin

PS. In a few days, I will be out to sea - literally. Dan and David will still be around, but I will be gone for the next 7 months. Sooo... if you want to send an email to a Sailor out to sea, by next week, that is where I will be. (I have already forwarded voltec@exitcashflow.com email address to my shipboard email)

Rob

9th September 2003, 16:19

My friend told me on MSN Messenger today that he waited two months for his payment after requesting, and then his account was deleted. I do hope he comes to this thread to elaborate and offer some insight.

Rob

acutraffic

9th September 2003, 16:26

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to share my input about Exitcashflow and I was wondering if anyone else had any issues with this program.

I signed up with Exitcash flow months ago and begin promoteing it. I even upgraded my account and also spend nearly $50 advertising my pages with them. Advertising went fine but once i hit $20.01 i requested payment and i know they say up to a month but its been about 3 months now and nothing. I remember about it the other day and went in to login to my account and i no longer exist. I never cheated the program or used auto surf exchanges so i have no idea what the prob is. I wrote them yesterday and I am giveing them a week to reply back and send me the money. I will come back and let you know how things turn out. Let me know how you guys feel about the program as well.

moneymaker

9th September 2003, 16:31

Hi!
I have still not been paid for my last request.

But I have talked to the support and they say everything is delayed due to virusattacks (sobig) and need to check accounts carefully before payment.

A big problem is many use Autosurfprograms to promote ECF which is NOT allowed.

I don't know anything about the deleted account mentioned in the last message but there is a big risk/chance some accounts will be deleted due to cheating.

I have several friend who is waiting for payments from ECF.

If someone been paid the last days it would be helpful to calm down all worried ECF members if you tell us the good news.

CATWOMANSURF

5th October 2003, 01:40

:( Gee I am sure glad I found this forum today and especially this category as this has been a sensitive issue for us. Many months, we promoted Exit Cash Flow, we checked our account daily and watched it grow. When finally we made it so we had on our account after all this time to get our pay back, I started to email their admin. It took a little time and patience. No answer and so I emailed them again and again. And I also checked out their FORUM. Go into your member's area and go look at their forum for more answers. Look there some say they got paid and were defending them, and yet many are saying it takes many months to get paid, or they do not pay them. Well anyways, they terminated our account once we asked for payment and so we are no longer members but are warning everyone to stay away from them. They are terminating members that are active in their program, not the ones that aren't logging in or doing their part, they terminate members just because they don't want to pay them. They keep you there until you ask for your money, then you get fired. :alien: :baaa:

moneymaker

5th October 2003, 10:08

Bad news! Since I posted last time several weeks ago I have not heard anyone get paid from ECF.

Admin people at the ECF forum write about payments are done
but they don't show any proof, they don't answer emails.
I think they of some reason lie about they have contact with the ECF admin.

ECF is gone, that's what I think.

DON'T PROMOTE ECF. YOU WILL NEVER GET PAID.

CATWOMANSURF

5th October 2003, 17:28

Well I sure got some emails from them directly as I kept asking, I had sent them many hits. They called us a cheater in their forum after I had written complaining and warning people that they had terminated used another account to get into the forum and warn people that they were terminating people once they requested pay outs, that they then call you a cheater. Well then all those members all agreed that we were cheating and that it was good that the administration terminated us as we were also using auto surfs which was against their rules, although we did not know that. I tell everyone I can think of to stay away from ExitCashFlow.com I think we should somehow ban together and close them down if they aren't already.:stupid:

Jaikula

5th October 2003, 20:20

Originally posted by CATWOMANSURF
Well then all those members all agreed that we were cheating and that it was good that the administration terminated us as we were also using auto surfs which was against their rules, although we did not know that.

Oh please, sorry, the "We did not know that..." wont work in this case.

It has been known for a long time that you can NOT put your ECF link within autosurf sites.

I also guess you missed the canary yellow box when you log into your account which states:

Very Important! Our Terms of Service prohibit the use of AutoSurf websites! Hits by AutoSurf sites will be Zeroed!

- ECF Admin

That has been there for well over six months.

This is also in their terms.

12. Members cannot use Auto Hit exchanges or other Automated means to promote their pages. Any member found doing this will have their account promptly deleted and all commissions will be forfeited. This includes loading of the ECF page in an IFrame.

The thing they havent got there is about having your ECF link on a popup page.

dcwike

6th October 2003, 15:09

Throughout the last 5 or 6 months of seeing these ads, I decided this may be a good program to join.

The one thing that stopped me from joining was I couldn't understand how I could profit, after comparing the 1/11 cent gain per ad against the cost to advertise the program. I figured the admin could help me understand and I would then join.

I never received a response.

It seems more and more programs are popping up just to get money from advertisers and then not paying honest members (cheaters excluded) or disappearing after the beginning of payment requests.

It makes it harder and harder for legitimate GPTR programs to maintain the integrity of this business.

Then, to top it off, cheaters and members who don't read the tos of a legitimate program before they join post enough unjustified complaints to get the program boycotted.

You know, I really DO like getting paid to read. And, I foresee this as a future avenue of earining income from home. If it becomes a credible source of income, imagine the results.

No need to comute to and from work. No need to invest in work clothes. No need to punch a time-card. No need to have taxes taken from your pay unless the income per program is above $600 per year.

Where would we be now if people would not cheat or pay attention to rules and dishonest webmasters would stop scamming?

Don't these people realize what they are doing for the gain of a few dollars? Can't they see that this realm of business could turn into a multimillion dollar field of employment and profit?

People, like me, with home-bound disabilities would feel worthy of being able to earn enough to supplement the family income.

I think these issues need to be taken to government legislation so they can enact laws against this.

So, I am suggesting a poll, which I will start, pending positive posts in favor of this.

CocaColaGirlUSA

6th October 2003, 19:57

The forum is back up I am pretty sure it is http://www.exitcashflow.com/forums

sasca

7th October 2003, 19:25

I've been waiting for payment from ECF since 1st June.

The numerous emails that I sent to ECF admin and to ECFhelp have received no response. I have just now posted in the ECF forum to see if that gets me anywhere :\

Just don't know what else to do......

sasca

(I will post in this thread if I get anything like a response or -gasp- payment!)

dcwike

7th October 2003, 22:38

I just read this thread from the "beginning." It seems I did not do so before making my first comment.

I may not have gotten a response from ECF because of their difficulties at the time of my inquiry.

I have read their tos. There appears to be nothing exceptionally different than any other similiar program (SAS, etc.)

It is quite possible that the "viruses" they referred to may have been infecting this program without substancial notice for months.

So, for those of you who complain of not getting paid, you may have missed the August notification, quoted in a post within this thread.

It appears they are attempting to solve the problem. I say, give this webmaster a chance before complaining any further.

(I still did not join. I saw in another post in this thread where the poster said he spent $50 in advertising + the cost to up-grade. Now he's griping about a $21 + change payment he requested? Do the math.) Where's the profit in THIS?

CATWOMANSURF

13th October 2003, 04:53

Ok those of you who keep blaiming the auto surf users for having the admin. wait months for them to pay you, do not keep blaiming us. They can easily have their programmers come up with some script or link or something so they could eliminate the "cheaters" as you call people like me here, who gave them many thousands of hits.

I am just trying to TELL members do NOT post the Exit Cash Flow in any auto surfs, as if you do, you will NOT get any of your other money either period. That's how they can stop people from getting paid. And I remember getting emails from them even after we were deleted. And someone went on a big boat ride to some other island and they were going to be gone for several months, gee, that did sound a bit suspicious now didn't it? Of course, I am sure that wasn't the person that was in charge of the money or anything, probably just a worker going on vacation right?:(

dcwike

13th October 2003, 11:39

Cheaters! Cheat Links! Such nasty words.
Whoever invented the software that "reads" FOR you is sure making a killing off the profits. That kind of crap is what's ruining this business.

Same for Auto Surfs.

What's the sense in having auto surf if no one's going to have to do the clicks themselves, thus, not have to read?

BUT!!!!!! Dear People, let's not call each other cheaters.

From what I see, CATWOMANSURF was merely experimenting. It may have cost her her earnings, but, ECF evidently DID profit from (free advertising) it or the accounts would have been deleted long before Catwomansurf reached payout.

I think this business (GPTR) has been steered in the wrong direction. I don't think it was meant for the advertising of other GPTR programs. I think it was meant to pay people to read advertisements from Commercial businesses that sell products.

I think what happened is we got more GPTR sites than the demand for commercial ads. And, now, with so many sites, we are bickering amonst ourselves and getting nowhere.

Unless we become appealing to commercial business (as an alternitive avenue of advertising less expensive than TV and other media ads) this business will fail.

Personally, I'm sick of opening mail only to see yet another ad from another GPTR program trying to gain referrals. Advertising NEW programs is fine - but, only to get the word out.

What we NEED to do is become civilized, respect each other and work our butts off on appealing to small business sites, mom & pop manufacturers that want to sell goods and services.

From there, if this generate sales, we reach for the stars.

SendMoreInfo (I no longer belong to the program - I don't like getting paid by check) and 2 Opt-in are the only programs I see doing that.

I promoted a few GPTR sites (once they paid me), but, realized it was a waste of my earnings. So, I waited.

I am now promoting a site that has nothing to do with getting paid to read - it's a site a sales rep created to sell wares from a catalog. If sales are profitable, she will buy more ads. (She happens to be a friend of mine who I got interested in GPTR programs. She saw the potential and, we're both using our earnings from reading emails to promote it.

For now I will receive nothing for promoting the site. But, if sales explode, I may become an affilliate and share in the profits.

THAT'S WHAT THIS BUSINESS SHOULD BE ABOUT.

SO, COME ON PEOPLE, LET'S REACH OUT TO THOSE WHO HAVE SOMETHING TO SELL.

fryskys2001

13th October 2003, 20:44

I sure wish I knew what going on I have cahsout in june for over 45.00 and did not even get any answer to any of my email all I get this address do not exist when writing to their admin email address

CATWOMANSURF

14th October 2003, 14:31

Hi there Frysky, I have been wanting to talk to you now for about two weeks. Trying to read your history in all three forums now trying to be neutral.

Ok let me understand this note above, Exit Cash Flow owes you $45.00 and they aren't even replying to your email. It took them a few days, but they did indeed answer me after I wrote to them from two separate email addresses. Just send it to:

admin@exitcashflow.com or support@exitcashflow.com
Is that where you are sending it to? Or did they tell you where to write to? As when we reached the $20.00, we went looking in their forum trying to find where to send to request money and did not, and so I posted notes everywhere on the Forum saying we wanted to get paid and how. Then that is when I found out that people it took them like three months to get paid, but some do actually get paid yes I admit that. Some did get paid so it is not a scam then as they do pay people. And yes It is my fault completely as I didn't read the terms thoroughly. Frysky, how did you get so many hits? I hope you weren't using auto surfs, as they don't like us. Well I don't like them either. And the admin there knows who I am and they know why.

I have banned Exit Cash Flow as well as Shared Ad Space as well as Tasia Links on my sites that I own, as those other two places sometimes also advertise for Exit Cash Flow banners. And besides, gee, I never did like pop ups and I never did like the looks of any of those sites. Why? Because I saw them way too much. Too many members and too many sites. Too much can ruin the whole thing for the rest of the members.

So keep writing them and asking for your money. Frysky, why did you wait until you had $45 to ask for pay out? They are to pay you once you reach $20.00. What I'd say is this, go over to Exit Cash Flow, go to member's area, and then go to the member's forum and post some complaints over there and WARNINGS to other members. Tell the people they owe you $45 and that you aren't receiving any emails. I hope that helps.

Sorry if I have offended anyone, I am sure I did tough luck I guess.

Frysky, please email me or PM me as I'd like to talk to you personally about some of your not being paid at some other person's site as I want to hear YOUR point of view from YOU, not from someone else that I know real well.

Thank you,

Tina

ng980733

14th October 2003, 16:51

Hello,

I am good friends with one of the ECF admins, and I'd just like to let everybody here know that they are definitely honest people.

If I remember the figure correctly I believe that since Exit Cash Flow first opened, they have paid out to their members $60,000: SIXTY-THOUSAND!!!

Right now the major problems with Exit Cash Flow are the very slow payments and the poor customer support. Both of these are because the ECF team is very understaffed at the moment. Recently, however, they hired a 3rd person to replace Matt (who's in the U.S. Navy and shipped out to sea) so hopefully this will help speed things up.

A major reason that payouts are taking so long is because they have to manually verify all of the hits to make sure they are valid. This is because there are lots and lots of people who have been trying to cheat Exit Cash Flow (such as via the autosurfs). Luckily, though, I believe that they have plans to soon adopt a new system which will help automate the verification process and thus speed up payouts.

And even if you have to wait 3 months for payment, you will receive the entire current balance of your account (not just the amount when you requested).

I just thought I could help clear up some of the confusion surrounding this program.

Andrew

fryskys2001

14th October 2003, 18:36

that was my first cashout sinc ei tstarted and no I did not use auto surf I did use one they said was not alllowed after a while so I took it of trafficsol asap whenthey email us I had it on cashnclick form the turner site but that is it other wise it was all in ptc and on my own site

look for my pm ok

Originally posted by CATWOMANSURF
Hi there Frysky, I have been wanting to talk to you now for about two weeks. Trying to read your history in all three forums now trying to be neutral.
I tried to email them at admin@exitcashflow.com but it kept returning has invalide email, I started to ask cahsou twhen I has reach 21,00 and never heard form them oh well wil give it a try I knwo on mine only one has exit cash flow ahs a ad me I simply gave up on them

Ok let me understand this note above, Exit Cash Flow owes you $45.00 and they aren't even replying to your email. It took them a few days, but they did indeed answer me after I wrote to them from two separate email addresses. Just send it to:

admin@exitcashflow.com or support@exitcashflow.com
Is that where you are sending it to? Or did they tell you where to write to? As when we reached the $20.00, we went looking in their forum trying to find where to send to request money and did not, and so I posted notes everywhere on the Forum saying we wanted to get paid and how. Then that is when I found out that people it took them like three months to get paid, but some do actually get paid yes I admit that. Some did get paid so it is not a scam then as they do pay people. And yes It is my fault completely as I didn't read the terms thoroughly. Frysky, how did you get so many hits? I hope you weren't using auto surfs, as they don't like us. Well I don't like them either. And the admin there knows who I am and they know why.

I have banned Exit Cash Flow as well as Shared Ad Space as well as Tasia Links on my sites that I own, as those other two places sometimes also advertise for Exit Cash Flow banners. And besides, gee, I never did like pop ups and I never did like the looks of any of those sites. Why? Because I saw them way too much. Too many members and too many sites. Too much can ruin the whole thing for the rest of the members.

So keep writing them and asking for your money. Frysky, why did you wait until you had $45 to ask for pay out? They are to pay you once you reach $20.00. What I'd say is this, go over to Exit Cash Flow, go to member's area, and then go to the member's forum and post some complaints over there and WARNINGS to other members. Tell the people they owe you $45 and that you aren't receiving any emails. I hope that helps.

Sorry if I have offended anyone, I am sure I did tough luck I guess.

Frysky, please email me or PM me as I'd like to talk to you personally about some of your not being paid at some other person's site as I want to hear YOUR point of view from YOU, not from someone else that I know real well.

Thank you,

Tina

sasca

17th October 2003, 18:24

further to my post to this thread on Oct 7th.....

As I stated, I posted to the ECF forum as my payment request was made June 1st and I have had no payment and no response to my many emails to them. My post was not rude, offensive or inappropriate. Although I did not receive any "official" response, a number of other folks posted similar stories to mine in the same thread (entitled, I think, "what more can I do to get paid?".

I went to review the thread today and it has completely disappeared :\

I could understand closed or even edited - but an entire thread disappearing ?

Anyway. The latest news on their forum is that all payments due will be made on November 3rd ..... so we shall see. After that I gather that payments will be made on a monthly basis - although this sure won't affect me as, presuming I do get paid on Nov 3rd, I shall be unsubscribing and high-tailing it outta there pronto!!

cheers

sasca

CATWOMANSURF

18th October 2003, 02:14

Alright, anyone with issues here that has not yet written to their administration why don't you all decide to send an email and all do it on the same day? Write to: admin@exitcashflow.com or support@exitcashflow.com or commissions@exitcashflow.com or send a note to all there emails and just keep emailing them until you get a message some how. Someone in there should be opening up those emails. They see their own forum of course they do. They are probably answering you with excuses. There were always people complaining saying they didn't get paid, and there were others that said they did get paid but it took them two or three months. Well, I tell you, advertising for them and having people click on that site and then all the months to reach a payout of $20 and all that advertising expense as well, and then having their members that are owed money to wait a few more months well sounds kinda dumb to me now. What a waste of time and effort. Just for a little bit of money. They probably don't have the cash to pay people is my guess.

And did anyone from this boycott forum ever contact or email Exit Cash Flow to tell them their site is up here and do they want to make any comments? Or did they already comment? Are they a member here so they can say their side of the story? Just a thought. I think the webmaster and/or the owner of the program should always be contacted right away when there is a site here that is boycotted, maybe it is, I don't know. I am new to this forum, just trying to keep it as fair as possible.

Thanks,

Tina:hehe:

fryskys2001

5th November 2003, 23:58

just hit a ad in a ptr site and this was what came up

The domain ExitCashFlow.com is
currently for sale. All interested parties
should contact us here.

Take a look at our Alexa Rankings
We're currently in the top 1000.

We're also listed on the top 100 at TrafficRanking.com.

Proceeds of the sale will go to payout members.

moneymaker

6th November 2003, 01:20

A few was paid a part of their earnings.
The rest lose everything.

I don't think anyone buy this domain.

The rankings is totally irrelevant.

Just another BIG SCAM!

CATWOMANSURF

6th November 2003, 05:42

:!: Alright all of you who kept complaining when I was trying to warn anyone and everyone that I was getting a bad feeling about that Exit Cash Flow, and the members kept defending them, the forum people kept saying they got paid, (their forum I'm not talking about this one), people kept signing up, and I kept warning them to be careful and to not have any of those sites in any auto surf as it won't pay. Well as you can see Frysky beat me to the update, gee, I so badly wanted to be the first to break the bad news to you. Well I will just repeat then and confirm that what she saw was correct, she wasn't seeing things. I saw that site just yesterday as I was actually getting paid pennies this week or so clicking on paid to reads where Exit Cash Flow was, well how now are they going to feel those that spent time and efforts and expense on advertising it? Not pleased. Just about 10 minutes ago I found a note in a paid to click obviously someone was advertising it not knowing what would happen. The domain name now of ExitCashFlow.com has a for sale sign on it, it was very clear and said that the name was for sale and any interested buyers can contact them. Well like who would be stupid enough to want that name at any price. I wouldn't give them a cent for that name. They couldn't pay me a million to take it from them, as they probably owe that.?? Anyways, again here is what I saw and I was not seeing things.

The domain ExitCashFlow.com is
currently for sale. All interested parties
should contact us here.

Take a look at our Alexa Rankings
We're currently in the top 1000.

We're also listed on the top 100 at TrafficRanking.com.

Proceeds of the sale will go to payout members.

This is a copy & paste of the note that I saw on the website itself, there now any one who still believes in Exit Cash Flow and wants to join just go ahead and go to the website. I wouldn't go advertising it if I was you, I'd stop or try to, any advertising on that site if at all possible.

Anyone who got paid in October or November was VERY lucky as they may or may not be able to pay the rest. Any monies they get from the domain name will go to pay the members.

Well now do you wish you would have listened to me? Or should I say I told you so?

Tina

:hehe: :yinyang: :yinyang:

CocaColaGirlUSA

6th November 2003, 07:54

CATWOMANSURF, why are you doing a vicitory dance? You cheated you got deleted, and then you compained about it.

Why should anyone listen to someone that supports ET?

Back on topic, yes ECF is closed, looks like they are going to walk scott free after taking people money for upgrades and scamming and not punishment.

The scammers are already planning on opening another website and they will scam more people with it.

dcwike

6th November 2003, 11:13

Victory Dance? Crude remark.
Even though I never joined (couldn't see profit in it), I did see a remark where "proceeds" will go to payouts. (I have my doubts of that).
I think it's a program that started out with good intentions, but, with a bad business plan that a lot of people fell for. That's all.

StashuJ

6th November 2003, 12:08

I guess you all have seen the for sale sign. I sure hope whoever buys it--if they do, doesn't run on pop-ups, pop unders or any other sort of annoying little screen such as those ones that float across the page these days. I am so tired of seeing Exit Cash Flow every other click that I say good riddance and hope it never comes back. In my opinion, pop-ups are the scurge of the internet that rate higher on the annoyance scale than junk mail. At least the junk mail doesn't crash my browser.

I never did join Exit Cash Flow--not because I felt the owners to be scam artists but because they employ pop-ups. They were definitely the main source of clicks for so long that I had to buy a pop-up killer because they crashed my browser every five minutes.

I'm sorry on behalf of the owners AND the subscribers with regard to the lost revenues but I'm not sorry that I won't be seeing the page anymore. Think about it--the people who posted ads didn't get their ads seen by anyone who has a pop-up killer so what was the point?

moneymaker

6th November 2003, 12:10

A lot of honest people promoted ECF and was deleted or had their acount zeroed, not only cheaters.

ECF admin is nothing but criminals and I really hope someone sue them!

StashuJ

6th November 2003, 12:33

Golly Moneymaker! In that case I'm even gladder I didn't join ECF but I have toadmit that my decision was based on my avid hate for pop-ups.

Laler

6th November 2003, 13:47

sorry if I'm breaking any rules in here, but this banner's rotating in SAS...

http://www.zibycom.com/members/002279850/Site4/ecfblue.gif

lol

StashuJ

6th November 2003, 16:52

ROFLMAO Lahler! I'm proud of you :)

Laler

6th November 2003, 17:15

hey it's not me :p I think maybe it's SAS wm himself, there're so many similar banner on rotation with different words and colors...

I guess he's really screwed up by ECF, lol

CATWOMANSURF

6th November 2003, 17:41

Hello,

Those of you who mentioned I was having a victory dance you have no idea. No, I couldn't sleep and I had a big panic attack over all of this. I am a nervous and person who worries, and I for many months did not feel good at all about this site. Not only for what it did to us. I was so tired of seeing that site like 50 times a day, so tired of seeing all their pop ups, and yes I too had to get a pop up blocker as my computer seems to be infected with some real bad pop ups the last two months. I don't mind a few, but the pop ups are really slowing my work down and that I do not appreciate.

I am real concerned for any of you members who are real hurt today and should be, as you believed strongly in this program, they supported it, they advertised it, spent money doing so and their time and hope and belief, and I feel real sorry for anyone who got into that program. There's a lot of programs that have problems. I don't know what will happen to them. If they can just walk away like this or what. Imagine how they must feel, I also feel for the owners and especially for the upgraded members who paid for their sites, the owners must have spent a lot of time on their site as all of our webmasters do. The sites we run are very important to us. How would they pay 30,000 members their money or whatever the number was? How could anyone handle that kind of a stress load? And anyways, just to let you know, I am not dancing for this. I am sharing the grief with the rest of you. Remember some of the people I know have also been hurt as they were promoting this site.

It will get better. Just go click on some paid to reads. I signed up for so many that that is what I do now all day and all night long. I used to be in so many mlm's and dlc's and that type of thing that never worked out. Now I am clicking for pennies and nickles in hopes they will make some sort of money. :\ :\ :hehe:

Well I hope people that are reading this can gain some support from one another. These forums are real good for support. Try to help each other get through this very hard day for anyone on that program.

Take care,

Tina

dcwike

6th November 2003, 17:43

ECF is not all to blame.

It's us, too. We need to be more careful of the programs we join.

A lot of times we don't do the research or ask questions that may draw the owner's attention to such matters as:

Why are your advertising prices lower than what you will be paying out? (that's the key to knowing whether a business plan is good or bad.)

I did similiar with ECF - program was down - didn't get response.

Where would ECF be if we all did our homework before joining?

StashuJ

7th November 2003, 11:18

Good point. I know I have become more cautious.

CocaColaGirlUSA

7th November 2003, 12:08

It isn't the members fault they didn't have good business plan. ECF is 100% at fault for it failing.

I do agree that homework needs to be done before someone spends money on a site.

Originally posted by dcwike
ECF is not all to blame.

It's us, too. We need to be more careful of the programs we join.

A lot of times we don't do the research or ask questions that may draw the owner's attention to such matters as:

Why are your advertising prices lower than what you will be paying out? (that's the key to knowing whether a business plan is good or bad.)

I did similiar with ECF - program was down - didn't get response.

Where would ECF be if we all did our homework before joining?

CATWOMANSURF

7th November 2003, 13:52

Yes gang, I do agree, doing homework was always a real top priority to me. I was in so many programs that I joined and believed them that they pay thousands, when they didn't. One site I lost thousands to and this month we got a note they were going bankrupt! So now I am doing paid to reads and forgetting dlc and the like, now trying some of the randomizers (then I get a note saying their Pay Pal account is no good and it could affect mine), I also tried some matrixes, and so forth things that cost little bits of money that actually might bring in something. Be real careful sending your money to any webmaster you do not have already known previously. Maybe send them an easy question first and see if they will answer it or something like that?

I am concerned for any members of Exit Cash Flow believe me I am, as I do feel for them. All us internet marketers that do this full time as for some reason or another we aren't able to work, or can't find work, or we just believe in this and love this internet world so much. Maybe we should delegate a few members of this boycott to instead of boycotting problems, have a group actually investigate and do homework on certain programs before any of us join them. So who wants to volunteer?

Take care, oh and don't forget there's always that Makolinks that says they are just like Exit Cash Flow if anyone wants to join.

And to Tasia Paid Links, well they are now welcome to come to my sites again as they won't have any more banners of Exit Cash Flow. I feel bad also for Shared Ad Space, I saw their banner they made up yesterday about something about if you want to be screwed out of your money, and it was an Exit Cash Flow banner. Real sad day yesterday was and probably still today, for any Exit Cash Flow members, some of which I know, some of which didn't like me as I was a cheater as I am a firm believer and an owner of several auto surfs.

Take care and hope things go better for all of us.

Sincerely,

Tina
:baaa: ;):D :D

dcwike

7th November 2003, 14:19

No, it's not our fault a business plan is bad.

But, if we do not contact a program with comments or questions pertaining to such - and join, we give the owner the impression that everything's ok when it's not.

Let's look at ECF from the beginning.

Everyone was excited with what they had to offer - but, they didn't do the math to find out if it would work for them.

Had they done the math before joining, ECF would not have grown as big as it did. Then, ECF would have folded long before it did.

Why?

Because people would not have invested like they did. They probably wouldn't have even joined the program.

I was lucky in this business. I have not lost a dime of out-of-pocket expense - so, if I ever lose anything, it's just what I've earned with a program and my time if a program folds.

I've set my own rules to follow:

Never join a program where advertising charges are less than what it costs the owner to pay the number of people who are to be paid.

A $5 fee to send a $0.01 ad to all (let's say 1000 members) shows me a bad business plan - unless there are alternate methods of income (from non-paid sponsor ads, non-paid searches, or monthly fees for links listed in a specific area other than in emails).

In this case, the ad should at least cost $50 just to cover the expense to pay members. Even then, unless there are alternate methods of income to cover hosting, servers, bandwidth and margin of profit for the owner, the program won't be able to pay when payout is reached.

The only exception (and you can find out just by contacting the owner with quirey) is if the owner has backed up his business with financial investment to get his program going.

If the owner tells you they are depending on future income from ads to cover payouts, don't join.

If they tell you that income from ads come in and builds up before members reach payout, don't join. (Out of that money they have to pay monthly operation expenses. There will be a shortage of funds by the time members request payment.)

There are a lot of programs that pay. But, that's because the ads and other investments or income cover all expenses and generates profit for the owner.

It's up to us to find the right ones. All one needs to do is examine each site one is interested in and ask questions if the math doesn't add up.

Another rule I've made for myself is never to promote a program unless I've been paid or the program shows potential.

And, when I'm paid, I use those funds to advertise or up-grade in the program that paid me.

It takes a lot longer to reach payout or gain a downline that way, but, the good thing is it helps me know which programs are going to make it and which won't.

CocaColaGirlUSA

8th November 2003, 09:27

There is no way I am joining Mako, to much like ECF.

Cat, I think you might be confused those banners have been put up my members of SAS not by the owner of SAS.

moneymaker

8th November 2003, 10:24

Hi!
I joined Mako a while ago.
They seems to have a lot of technical problems.
Site allways slowloading.
I think the program is very different from ECF.

I have not tried to reach the support so I don't know if they answer, but they send a lot of emails about the problems.

I have been in the program for 2 weeks and just reach the minimipayout $0.50...

As far as I know they pay but I can't say I recommend it.

They must has it to run much better else not worth wager time with.

dcwike

8th November 2003, 19:00

Moneymaker,

Could you please explain how one can profit from these sites? I really would like to understand.

I understand how I will earn (what is it? $0.0015 for every visitor) even if the visitor doesn't join. What I don't understand is where you can find advertising prices less than $1.50 per 1000 ads? (excluding FFAs)

moneymaker

9th November 2003, 01:04

It's not easy to find ads to a fair price.
I have until now only used credits from surf4hits for Makolinks.
Makolinks also have paid-to-click links.

I upgraded to premium member in ShareAdSpace for $30 and got 30000 unique hits to promore ECF but lost money when ECF not paid my earnings ($45).

I also check for good offers from GPTR-programs.
Some sell ads at Ebay. Sometimes you can get very good prices.

dcwike

9th November 2003, 01:13

So, what you are saying is you join numerous 'exchange' sites - surf to get your site seen; thus, get paid by the site you promote.

That sound legit, but, let me ask:

Have you joined any of the sites you saw in exchange?

pretender

10th November 2003, 12:41

:stupid:

these scamers now are tryng to sell their domain (the domain not the full site), they will probably will sell the somain to themselfs and restart the scaming!
Oh and i'm sure they will not got use the money of the domain transfer to pay the menbers!
Scam Scam Scam

dcwike

10th November 2003, 14:41

In response to 'pretender,' I'm not sure I understand the post.
(note that this does not imply in any way that I'm defending ECF - I'm not)

Why would ECF buy back their own domain?

All they would have to do is purchase a new domain name (for a lot less money); get with the designer/host/server to make the appropriate changes to the site and put it under the new domain name. They could use the left-over money to back up the new site and close the original site completely. They would not have to put it up for sale at all.

The fact that they ARE selling it and advertising to that fact, shows me it is simply a program that had good intentions, but, a bad business plan.

Scam, to me, is when a program runs to the point where it makes the most of its profits, then disappears completely from cyberspace.

What I see here is a program that failed and the PO put it up for sale. It could be that the PO wants to get out of this business for personal reasons.

pretender

11th November 2003, 05:39

:stupid:

Excuse me, but they are selling a domain! domain is not same thing as the entire website (domain, sourcecode, brandrights, the obligations to menbers, etc)
And there is other point, is any1 gona buy a program that is labelled as SCAM? i think no
And they are gona virtualy sell it, they just gona change the ownership contact adress in whois data base, and do you know how much the owner of a domain pay to do this? nothing is included in the domain administration fee!
Do you think in the case of they actualy sell the hole site, where is the new owner gonna find money to pay the menbers? is correct the menbers lose their earnings? Yes becoz who buys site dnt know how much menbers money they have in their acounts!

Do you think in the case of they actualy sell the hole site, where is the new owner gonna find money to pay the menbers? is correct the menbers lose their earnings? Yes becoz who buys site dnt know how much menbers money they have in their acounts!
no1 will be enogh stupid to purchase such thing i think, ADVICE: NEVA PURCHASE AN SITE THAT IS ALREDY RUNNING

dcwike

11th November 2003, 11:43

From what I understand, ECF is selling the program (domain name AND site) and, supposedly, the proceeds will go to what the current owner owes it's members.

Therefore, the new owner will owe nothing to current members.

And, if a new owner does buy the program, I'm sure they will change the business plan to a more effective one - one that will generate profit for all and cover the cost to run the program.

I, for one, never joined ECF, because, unless one just used 'exchange' sites for advertising, I could foresee no profit.

As of yet, in my opinion, scam has not been proven yet.

If the program is sold and the proceeds are not issued to the current owner's members, that would be considered scam.

For now, the problem is a mole hill of doubt. Let's not make it a mountain of criticism before the results are in.