Emailmatters.com ...." Big Scam " [Archive] - GPTBoycott Discussion Forum

hunyuky

24th July 2003, 22:03

Emailmatters pulled a " slick one " in one of their emails...The email was poorly written to try to trick you and make you loose your account....I'm not going to go into details except to say that it was the worst case of SCAM that I ever saw.....Needless to say, I lost all my hard worked earnings and account.....I am a college graduate from Ohio State and understand the English Language perfectly....When I say to you that this email sent out by " PROFESSOR MIKE " was terribly obscurred to catch us and take back our money , I mean it from the bottom of my heart....This really hurt because I've been doing this for over a year now , and I have never seen anything like it before.....I think that this program should receive the biggest seal of BOYCOTT that is possible............This man is a THIEF and that's all I have to say......

brela101201

26th July 2003, 13:23

Well, just like I posted at Get Paid, I didn't see anything wrong with this email at all. I understood it. It wasn't that confusing. I just don't understand what the big deal is. For all of those that clicked the wrong link, I'm sorry you guys and girls lost your accounts, but that's not Mike's fault. It's yours.

mgaliana

26th July 2003, 14:37

My 2 cents,
I'm sorry that some of the members were unable to read and follow directions. All questions were easy and not mind bending, besides being multiple choice with correct Anw. for you to pick.
I did not find it slick or to be a scam. I to lost, as those in my downline were removed. With all the cheaters out there, what else are webmasters to do to catch them. I think Mike came up with a great way for him to rid those that do not read English, and those that do not follow directions, much less even READ their emails. After all this is a PAY TO READ program, and that is what you get paid for. You may have been one of my referrals Sheryl, and I truly hate to see you go. ( Even if you were not in my downline) I think Mike deserves an ataboy for a job well done with EmailMatters and I will continue to support him.

cheryllynn

27th July 2003, 10:59

Originally posted by hunyuky
Emailmatters pulled a " slick one " in one of their emails...The email was poorly written to try to trick you and make you loose your account....I'm not going to go into details except to say that it was the worst case of SCAM that I ever saw.....Needless to say, I lost all my hard worked earnings and account.....I am a college graduate from Ohio State and understand the English Language perfectly....When I say to you that this email sent out by " PROFESSOR MIKE " was terribly obscurred to catch us and take back our money , I mean it from the bottom of my heart....This really hurt because I've been doing this for over a year now , and I have never seen anything like it before.....I think that this program should receive the biggest seal of BOYCOTT that is possible............This man is a THIEF and that's all I have to say......

My .002 cents --- it's not a scam. You only have to be able to:
1) Read English
2) Have good reading comprehension skills
3) Not use an autoclicker

I read it one time and got it right. Mike is a great webmaster, and I'm glad to see he is taking measures to weed out the cheaters and non-english speaking people. The ads are in English, so you should be able to read and understand english to participate.

Cheryl

DAzHiredGun

27th July 2003, 11:05

MORE on EmailMatters :

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=11637

Ron

cheryllynn

27th July 2003, 11:49

Originally posted by cheryllynn

My .002 cents --- it's not a scam. You only have to be able to:
1) Read English
2) Have good reading comprehension skills
3) Not use an autoclicker

I read it one time and got it right. Mike is a great webmaster, and I'm glad to see he is taking measures to weed out the cheaters and non-english speaking people. The ads are in English, so you should be able to read and understand english to participate.

Cheryl

Hi, Ron -- saw that. I posted here, so I didin't post there.... but as a note to the guy from sweden (pieurina, I know it's not spelled right, sorry), Fraud is a very serious allegation over here in the states. Mike can take you to task for slander, since he can prove you are wrong. And yes, Mike does pay his members, I've been paid. Mike is NOT a fraud. And the test was not a bogus thing, it was very real, and designed to get rid of cheaters and non-english speakers. I want people who read my ads to understand them -- they are in English. I don't want to pay for clicks from automated programs.... and if you (coll.) clicked every single link when it clearly stated there was only ONE correct answer, and to choose only ONE link, then that must mean you are using an autoclicker or you can't/won't/don't want to read English -- in which case, you don't belong in any ptr programs.

Cheryl

DAzHiredGun

27th July 2003, 12:03

Hi Cheryl,

I understand what you're saying. I put the link in here since Mike is both aware of and responding in the other thread.

Ron

cheryllynn

27th July 2003, 12:06

Ok. Thanks. He knows about both threads, I think. Besides, it gave me a chance to respond to what I thought about that post AFTER I cooled off a bit :)

Cheryl

pierina

3rd August 2003, 09:58

You are totally right in your critique towards emailmatters.com.I couldn't have said it better my self ,hunyuky!
You are so right! It is a big shame that that man is still having a program.
Report him to the police!

cheryllynn

3rd August 2003, 10:24

Ok, so that must mean that everyone who posts an enlish test is a scammer, right? Another program I am in just posted an english test -- they asked which letter comes at the beginning of the alphabet -- A or Z and there was a link posted below each letter. I supposed if you clicked both links and got the punishment, that they are scammers, too?

Based on your statement above, pierina, in your mind, the answer is yes. Get over it, get rid of the auto clicker program, pay attention to the ads, and EARN your money. Stop cheating.

And stop accusing others of being a fraud because your cheating methods don't work.

Cheryl done with this thread now.

pierina

3rd August 2003, 11:41

I am surprised that someone can be so blind for other's fault. I think we have a little brown-nosed Cheryllynn here. And I must say that you make me wish something I have never wished before that someone (you) should accidently happen to click on a so called cheat link. That would be fair to a so stone hearted and cold person like you. Have you ever felt compassion in your entire life?
That girl "hunyuky" was telling you that she had been working hard for more than one year.And you have the nerve to accuse her of cheating and me as well.
You don't know what you are talking about.
There are moments in our lifes when we are not as obervant as we use to be. It could be stress , it could be fatigue or it could be something else that make us lose our attention for a while.Does that make us cheaters?!! You know what , that is very human and the program is for humans isn't it?!! We can be distracted and we can err we can be trapped and enticed, yes! But does that make us cheaters!!???
I think that prooves so very much we are humans and not robots or cheatprograms. And to accuse a person that have English as a
mother tongue for not understand English is so stupid that I have no words for it. You and Mike should be ashamed of yourselves.
Both for that accusation and for stealing money from a student that have done a good job!

cheryllynn

3rd August 2003, 11:52

oh, and Mike is a scammer because YOU erred? Or YOU were tired? Or YOU weren't paying attention? Your time is up.

Judgment for EmailMatters. Pierina just wasted people's time accusing EmailMatters of scamming when he just admits it's his fault. Busted in broad daylight.

See ya!

Cheryl

bradley1967

3rd August 2003, 12:22

LOL,

I love reading these posts! Poor Mikey! At least some people are sticking up for him :)

Bradley

pierina

3rd August 2003, 12:37

Hi! Are you cheryllynn hired by Mike to defend him or what is your commission??Bribed with the stolen money , or what??? I hope you don't think that Mike is less a thief because of your stupid arguments and baseless accusations.
If he claims something to be a English-test so let it be a English-test then! But his tests are not about knowledge in the English language anyhow. Why should English-speaking people fail then. The simple questions he put in his trap-mails are no match for an English-speaking person to answer correct , that is truth.But nobody has asked to be members of stupid-question-stakes.Mike pays one cent if you succeed and takes all your dollars if you lose.
To gamble with other peoples money like that is arbitrary.
Even if he ever as much have the money at his disposal doesn't mean he can use them at his own will. If I want to stake my money in a trivia or another game I have got my right to choose that. But if I don't want to I have also the right to relinquish. That seems to be to difficult to understand for some people.
If his tests had been fair I think that nobody would have made complaints.
And besides that would you pay a fine to hunyuky
on all your earnings at emailmatters.com for spelling the word English like this: enlish .??? I think you must !!You haven't passed the Englishtest on this site!!!

bradley1967

3rd August 2003, 12:40

keep it going :) this is so much fun :)

:D

cheryllynn

3rd August 2003, 13:12

Originally posted by bradley1967
LOL,

I love reading these posts! Poor Mikey! At least some people are sticking up for him :)

Bradley

I couldn't resist :) For someone to accuse someone of being a scammer because of their carelessness or cheating ways is not right -- not in a public forum. In the real world, in the US, you can be sued over that, and the fines and penalties are quite hefty if your lies are proven to be lies.

Believe me, if I hadn't been paid by Mike numerous times, and if he had taken forever to pay me when he did, and if he never responded to my emails, I wouldn't stick up for him. But he runs a professional website, and he acts very professionally. I would do business with Mike in the RW if he lived near me and had a business here.

Cheryl who DOESN'T do business with rip off artists in the RW either (and yes, I know a few, and since I know alot of people, alot of people don't do business with them either -- not enough to REALLY hurt them, but enough to make a dent in their sales).

bradley1967

3rd August 2003, 13:27

:)

Here here :)

EM all the way :)

Your great Mikey :)

Bradley

cheryllynn

3rd August 2003, 13:35

Originally posted by pierina
Hi! Are you cheryllynn hired by Mike to defend him or what is your commission??Bribed with the stolen money , or what??? I hope you don't think that Mike is less a thief because of your stupid arguments and baseless accusations.

Nope, and so what if I was? I am just defending an honest person against some mad(sic) cheaters.

Orignally posted by pierina
If he claims something to be a English-test so let it be a English-test then! But his tests are not about knowledge in the English language anyhow.

English test meaning that you read and understand English. And you know that. And I don't want to hear any excuses about English being your second language -- you seem to be using English quite well here. Let's not get beyond stupid, now.

Originally posted by pierina
Why should English-speaking people fail then. The simple questions he put in his trap-mails are no match for an English-speaking person to answer correct , that is truth.But nobody has asked to be members of stupid-question-stakes.Mike pays one cent if you succeed and takes all your dollars if you lose.

English speaking people fail because they are:
1. Not paying attention
2. Using an automated clicker or some other method cheating

Everyone has asked to take part in the English tests in that some people have cheated, and now, because of them, the tests must be implemented for everyone. You can thank the cheaters in the programs for the tests.

Originally posted by pierina
To gamble with other peoples money like that is arbitrary.
Even if he ever as much have the money at his disposal doesn't mean he can use them at his own will. If I want to stake my money in a trivia or another game I have got my right to choose that. But if I don't want to I have also the right to relinquish. That seems to be to difficult to understand for some people.
If his tests had been fair I think that nobody would have made complaints.

And how would you like it if you owned a program and advertisers stopped advertising because you had cheaters in your program? If Mike and other WM don't take steps to prevent cheaters and non-readers, eventually, he won't have any advertisers. No advertisers=no paid2click program. And now what?? And don't tell me there are thousands of them out there, the same goes for all of them and I applaud any WM who implements a cheat link of some form.

Originally posted by pierina
And besides that would you pay a fine to hunyuky
on all your earnings at emailmatters.com for spelling the word English like this: enlish .??? I think you must !!You haven't passed the Englishtest on this site!!!

What for? There is no english test here. And spelling a word wrong is NOT cheating. You really need to get a clue, dude. I have NEVER seen anyone bash a program that didn't warrant it this much.

You never did answer my question -- why are you calling Mike a scammer if it was, at your own admittance, your fault for not paying attention? Hmmm???? I think maybe an apology is in order, and that you should retract your statements.

Those are my thoughts on the matter, and this is for real the last post this time. You are not worth my time.

Cheryl

bradley1967

3rd August 2003, 13:40

HeHe,

Go Cheryl Go :)

pierina

3rd August 2003, 13:57

Not only do you accuse me for cheating. You also say I am a man . Which I am not. I don't know what makes you think so. But I guess it is the same accuracy as the rest of the things that you ar writing cherrylynn !
It is obvious that you are trying to scare people from telling the truth about emailmatters.com. And do you know what that is?Assault in judicial matters.
How many times do I have to write that Mike's tests have no accuracy and doesn't prove anything of all that you claim it does.
It could maybe prove that someone's strenght is not answering stupid trivia-questions that are sent to them as a tricky trap-mail. Which purpose is only to make as many as possible to fail. But that is all. And still you are not a cheater for failing in a test.
If everybody would practise that kind of zero-tolerance policy everywhere Mike would certainly not go free from punishment.
What about all the searchengines he does use in his program ! Has he ever read their policies and rules???
This one for example
http://www.searchwithmorpheus.com/?uid=mburns
has got among others these rules.
1. All clicks are to be generated from voluntary searches conducted by visitors from your active available website only.

2.

Affiliate understands that incentivizing of clicks in any manner whatsoever is strictly prohibited and grounds for immediate account termination and forfeiture of unpaid earnings. This includes creating any inciting searches as a part of any "click club" or "search" program where member compensation is based upon their "obligation" or "instruction" "rule" "guideline" to conduct a search and subsequently click an advertiser listing hyperlink is strictly prohibited.

************************************************** **
who is it that can not read and understand English and follow rules?
But not everybody is as fanatic and intolerant that Mike is.And he shall thank God for that!

bradley1967

3rd August 2003, 14:03

LOL

cheryllynn

3rd August 2003, 14:19

Grow up.

Stop avoiding the issue. Your name and whether you are male or female is not the issue.

Mike Burns search engines are not the issue. You could have used a better example, anyway. mburns owns search with morpheus. I guess he can do whatever the heck he wants with it.

You still have not answered my question. You are wasting time trying to take the heat off yourself for accusing Mike of being a spammer, when in fact, you either cheated or you weren't paying attention.

Either way --- it's people like you who do not need to be in these programs. I pay good money to advertise, and I expect people that sign up for that advertising to pay some attention to it. You obviously don't, and it's people like you who ruin a good thing.

Get a life after you've grown up.

Cheryl

pierina

3rd August 2003, 14:20

Stop patronizing me! You are not flawless!
And you don't know what you are talking about. And you are biased and very offensive. I think people should watch up for you because you are not human friendly.
As little as the members of emailmatters.com has asked to participate in a English-test have you asked for it here isn't that so ? If we should measure with your scale so wouldn't it be more than right that you had to participate and pay a fine. Isn't such things wonderful! So non-cheating and all that! Taste your own medicine!

bradley1967

3rd August 2003, 14:23

ROTFLMFAO :D

cheryllynn

3rd August 2003, 14:37

You're STILL avoiding the issue. Retract your lies about EmailMatters.

Cheryl who can be very friendly when not provoked.

pierina

3rd August 2003, 14:59

You can stop triumphing about the search-engine :
searchwithmorpheus.com now!Because I have found some engines that Mikes doesn't own. And I wonder what his advertisers are saying about that false safety his rules lulled into a false sense of security .They will not have that kind of clicking. Or what does it say?
Here are some other search-engines that Mike doesn't own and that he abuses the rules at:
http://web-dawg.com/cgi-bin/homerotator.cgi?dge1962

RULES:
Unauthorized postings to newsgroups.
Sending unauthorized emailings.

http://www.freemailcash.com/top50gf.html

You may not promote your referral links through unsolicited emailing (i.e. SPAMMING), newsgroup postings, or any other method of mass communication. Failure to comply will result in immediate termination of your membership with FreeMailCash.com and may result in legal prosecution. FreeMailCash.com strictly enforces anti-spamming laws. Spamming is a federal crime.

. Any solicitation of advertisers for a confirmation email for purposes of receiving credit in your account will be grounds for immediate termination. You are solely responsible for any and all use of your FreeMailCash.com account including authorization by you to any third party individual who may use your account. Should any instances of fraud, system abuse, or any type of activity deemed to be inappropriate or illegal by FreeMailCash.com be detected it may result in member termination and possible legal action.

http://www.pageswirl.com/rotate.asp?user=1234

Anti-Spam Policy - Searchjuncture.com strictly prohibits members from sending unsolicited mass emails or spam, whether via of your account.

You are allowed to make just true searches . If you misuse this program with incentive searches your account may fall into category for review and get cancelled.

http://ulsearch.com/?ID=162&SUBID=mikespaid4email_A
Spam

You may not promote your referral links through unsolicited emailing (i.e. SPAMMING), newsgroup postings, or any other method of mass communication.

Ok I admit that I didn't check up the search4morpheus.com-engine.But the rest I have checked and Mike is not the owner of none of them.
So who is that can not read rules and understand English???!!!!

pierina

3rd August 2003, 15:03

How comes you are so familiar with which engines he does own anyway! It smells partiality here!!! You are probably employed by him to spread out propaganda!

bradley1967

3rd August 2003, 15:06

This just gets better and better!

Wonder if I can send the transcripts in here to Days of Lives!

LOL

:)

Bradley

cheryllynn

3rd August 2003, 17:46

Originally posted by pierina
How comes you are so familiar with which engines he does own anyway! It smells partiality here!!! You are probably employed by him to spread out propaganda!

Do you even know what you are talking about??? Mike from Mike's paid 4 email owns search with morpheus. And those are some of his userids.

This has nothing to do with Mike from EmailMatters. You are comparing apples and oranges. Who cares about what Mike from Mike's does when we are talking about Mike from EM?

And you STILLLLLLLLL have not answered my question ---- why is it ok to call someone a scammer when YOU are the one who screwed up and was either cheating or not paying attention??

The more you make me ask you this question, the more my point will be made and the stupider you will look.

Now, if you want to continue, you need to find some basis for this whole thing --- which you can't, since you admitted it was YOUR screwup --- so, just GET OVER IT!!

Cheryl

DAzHiredGun

3rd August 2003, 18:33

From the outside looking in, I'd say this discussion has reached an impasse.

Ron

pierina

3rd August 2003, 18:47

Oh, dear did I mixed up those two guys and mistakenly used mike from Mikespaid4email.com's searchengines.Well no big deal anyway , I am sure the result would have been the same if I had access to emailmatters.com searchemails and I would have used them.No wonder why I thought that Mikespaid4email.com were so different from emailmatters.com .A total different attitude and a serious minded Webmaster! Sorry on his behalf that he were dragged into this story. He is a good guy and honest.
Not to compare at all with the scumbag Mike at emailmatters.com
. I can't hack emailmatters can I and get the adresses!! So the most important thing is the principle here!And I hope that even you understands that cheryllynn!

cheryllynn

3rd August 2003, 20:42

Another case of not paying attention. And I do believe the forum administrator asked for the conversation to cease and desist as it isn't going anywhere...

auf weidersehen

Cheryl

brela101201

4th August 2003, 01:24

The simple questions he put in his trap-mails are no match for an English-speaking person to answer correct , that is truth.

If it was simple, then what's the problem??

pierina

4th August 2003, 18:30

Either you haven't read what I have written or else you have exremely difficulties in understanding.
His so called tests are not voluntary. His tests are not good , decent or fair. It is not fair to take somebody's hard-earned money for a simple question like that. Because if you fail it means the instructions and information and premonition has not been sufficient enough .And when you have signed up for a paid to read emails-program you do expect to only get paid-to-read-emails and not a webmaster sending out spam-mail, trapmails and FEE-mails and that someone are playing stupid games with your money without your acceptance. And besides that his tests has absolutely no reliability or something that proves any of those horrible things you do accuse people of. It sounds more like pretexts and subterfuge for someone that is moneyhungry and greedy and egoistic and has desires of other's money.
Greed is a horrible thing!!!

pierina

4th August 2003, 20:06

Can you neglect responsabilities you have to your members?

Is your premier duty to delete as many members as possible?

Shall you try to trick them into trivias they don't want to participate in?

Shall you disrespect them and their wishes?

Shall you think that they are dishonest people till proven otherwise?

Shall you take for granted that they are cheaters and a bunch of lazy users of CHEAT-software till proven otherwise?

Are the members guilty of not speaking English till they have passed a tricky trap-mail with infantile questions hidden well among others ?

Is the only reason to failing a test like that you don't understand English?

If you answer YES on one of these questions or more I must say that you should better choose another profession!

pierina

4th August 2003, 20:41

For the optimist the glass is half full and for the pessimist it is half empty.
Fair is it to consider a person being innocent till proven guilty.
Unfair is it to consider a person being guilty till proven innocent!

To prove something requires reliable evidences and methodes!

brela101201

5th August 2003, 01:43

His so called tests are not voluntary.

They don't have to be!! Like any other WM would tell you, if you don't like the rules, unsubscribe! These test questions are so simple! If you actually read the email, failing shouldn't be an issue! If you fail, you are not doing what the WM pays you to, which is READ EMAIL. The issue is as simple as that.

cheryllynn

5th August 2003, 07:46

Originally posted by brela101201
They don't have to be!! Like any other WM would tell you, if you don't like the rules, unsubscribe! These test questions are so simple! If you actually read the email, failing shouldn't be an issue! If you fail, you are not doing what the WM pays you to, which is READ EMAIL. The issue is as simple as that.

Heck, Brela, she is not going to listen to you anymore than she did to me. She does not think of the ramifications of accusing someone of something as serious as stealing. It would be one thing if it was true, but for her to admit that she "wasn't paying attention" and to call a WM a thief is just so wrong.

I think I was able to point out to people that by making her put her foot in her mouth.

Heck, I saw an English test the other day - it asked what is the first letter of the alphabet?

A
http://www.linkhere

B
http://www.linkhere

How much you wanna bet that pierina would have clicked both links? Or maybe her software would have clicked both links LOL

Cheryl

brela101201

5th August 2003, 10:12

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

pierina

5th August 2003, 10:49

You are accusing people for not speaking English (you= cheryllynn and brela101201).You continue to persevere defying it is proven to be incorrect. The person is NOT a NON-ENGLISH-SPEAKING PERSON. But you continue defend the test and the webmaster that uses methods that are not safe and reliable!!!A scandal!
If you use methods that are not showing a fair result for taking other people's money it is a theft.It is a fraud!
Human beings are born with a free volition ( will) and you have no right to deny me a free choice!
The webmaster call it a English-test and emphasize that it is not a cheater-test.But nevertheless when the "participant convinces she or he is in fact a good English-speaker you start instead to write taunts like cheater to them!Remember" It is not a cheater-test it is a Englishtest" !!!!
You use it at your own will .Change the rules during the game and acts arbitrary.
Isn't that a theft so what is?
It is a bad swindle and you better admit it and confess you are a thief (you= webmaster at emailmatters.com)!!

brela101201

5th August 2003, 13:37

Ummmm Excuse me.. but WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????? Do you even know??? Nobody accused you of not being able to speak english. Go back and re-read the posts. If you can show me one quote that says that you cannot speak english, then I will apologize.

brela101201

5th August 2003, 13:44

. I can't hack emailmatters can I and get the adresses!! So the most important thing is the principle here!And I hope that even you understands that cheryllynn! [/B][/QUOTE]

Also. I am going to report this little threat to Mike so he can follow it up through the proper channels. Talking about hacking someone's site is a VERY serious matter. It is because of PEOPLE LIKE YOU that so many programs get screwed up!! GROW UP!!

lil crusader

5th August 2003, 14:09

wow - I wish I was a member of that program because I would have loved to see exactly what a trivia question that someone feels forced to answer against their will looks like...lol.

So much ado about nothing. ;)

Pam (who predicts this thread is going to be locked very very soon since it's turning pretty nasty now)

brela101201

5th August 2003, 14:12

Originally posted by lil crusader
wow - I wish I was a member of that program because I would have loved to see exactly what a trivia question that someone feels forced to answer against their will looks like...lol.

So much ado about nothing. ;)

Pam (who predicts this thread is going to be locked very very soon since it's turning pretty nasty now)

LOL I think so too!! I am trying to be level-headed here, but that
little veiled threat to hack Mike's site is going over the edge!

pierina

5th August 2003, 14:19

Here everybody who reads this must make the following statement: brela101201 is interpreting all to the worst. Threathing?!
Do you know what a threat is , brela101201?!
I told in my letter that I can not hack emailmatters.com, can I!
What does can not , mean?
In English simple that you are unable to do that. Can't I tell that I am unable to hack his site without being accused of something?! And the point was by the way that I had no access to his site. And signing up is not even to think about since I have been deleted.And I guess even blocked. You don't encourage me to sign up under false name,or hacking do you?!!No? Well then put up with the other links then ,without insinuating comments! If I must use his links to not be critized for using somebody else's then I should have to hack his site to get them ( that is probably the only possibility to reach them). That is not what I want to do.Who made complaints about that I used somebody elses links??
Maybe it was a drastical statement. But I have never had any plans to hack it. If I had , do you think I would write about it here then?! Absurd!I even haven't got any knowledge in hacking!
Because you write the word hack doesn't make you a hacker!
Or a threatening person!
But you do pick on me for every word I write.

What I meant was that : you don't want to force me to hack his page , will you?!You give the impression that I to every price must have his links as an example!Can't you see that!

Your attitude does tempt to that kind of things. Are you not aware of that!
You do really misinterpret things!

brela101201

5th August 2003, 14:29

OMG will you read a post for once???? First of all, I said it, not Cheryl.

Second, you said " I cannot hack his site because I don't have his addresses" or words to that affect. That implies that if you had the means to, you would do it. That is what's called a VEILED threat, my friend. The intent is there. You're BUSTED!!

:stupid:

lil crusader

5th August 2003, 14:39

Just to satisfy my morbid curiousity (yes I admit it...lol) -- what was THE question? Does anyone recall?

pierina

5th August 2003, 14:50

Maybe you have noticed that I have noticed that it was you (brela101201) who wrote the accusation about hackingthreat and changed her name to yours. Yes I noticed before I read your new accusations!
Are you paid for accusing people or what is your problem? You do read only what you want to read and it is futile to try to have an proper discussion with you. You are absolutely on the offensive to pick on everything. You didn't happen to see the lines : I have never had any plans to hack ... and I have no knowledge in hacking , did you??
No!Of course not!
That's what I thought also!
Why should you pay attention to that!???And waste your time for facts .When it is so much funnier to throw dirt on people and smear and defame somebody!?!
You who knows everything better than everybody else.You who can see all the shady intentions in everybody and everything especially were there are none !
You who really have got the ability to interpret everything for the worst. Yeah , why should you go for facts that does agree with reality?!
When it is harm to innocent people you wanna cause!

lmdavisng

5th August 2003, 15:25

The following is a statement. There are 4 choices. Only one is correct. Choose the best answer. The link you choose will determine the answer. Choose only one answer. For example if you choose answer #1 you will click the link on line #1.

Pigs and Horses are __________.

1. Dogs

http://www.emailmatters.com/scripts/runner...php?EA=3355a458

<a href="http://www.emailmatters.com/scripts/runner.php?EA=3355a458">AOL Users</a>

2. Chocolate

http://www.emailmatters.com/scripts/runner...php?EA=3356f459

<a href="http://www.emailmatters.com/scripts/runner.php?EA=3356f459">AOL Users</a>

3. Animals

http://www.emailmatters.com/scripts/runner...php?EA=3357d2ef

<a href="http://www.emailmatters.com/scripts/runner.php?EA=3357d2ef">AOL Users</a>

4. Insects.

http://www.emailmatters.com/scripts/runner...php?EA=3358dcfb

<a href="http://www.emailmatters.com/scripts/runner.php?EA=3358dcfb">AOL Users</a>

This is the question.

Why should you pay attention to that!???And waste your time for facts .When it is so much funnier to throw dirt on people and smear and defame somebody!?!

What do you think you are doing when you say EM is a scam? It's not a scam, it was a question that was so easy to answer if ALL you did was read the mail.

lil crusader

5th August 2003, 15:36

THAT was the question??? lol, that's not trivia -- it's common knowledge that any child who knows how to read can answer. I'm sorry folks, but I can't think of any VALID excuse for not getting that one right.

TY for sending me back to work chuckling! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

pierina

5th August 2003, 16:25

You do refuse to belive that somebody can have a valid excuse for answering that kind of question wrong.Of course when you earn a couple of dollars when you refuses to do that so... You prefer to have the money all by yourself.
Then does no arguments bites .
I think you should try to see it from the opponents point of view.
You wrote a huge text before the questionnaire which did detered people from reading it . A short and concise and clear foreword with no unnecessary timewasting text would have been acceptable.And invitening to read. You shouldn't trying people's patience by writing things in the purpose to bore them.I think that it was predictable that some people shouldn't have got time to read all the text before the links.
Since you are not paid to read other text than those from the links you click I think people expect that that is what you should focus on.
And then another thing is that to avoid mistakes and exclude the possibility of accidently clicking on delete-links you should have a confirmation behind the links. Like this:

You have clicked alternative B. Are you sure you wanna answer alternative B that is etc.... confirm by clicking here...
Then you could exclude that somebody has clicked on a link by err or as result of distraction.No harm to nobody!

If you would like to have a correct result ,then would that have been a lot better.
That is what I suggest.

nadiaasoma

5th August 2003, 17:12

If I got such an email, I would resine imidiately.
It's not about getting it right, it's about insulting the intelligence of the members!

Besides. he most likely stole it from itpaystolearn, the verry easy for verry little children!

Marian

:laugh:

lmdavisng

5th August 2003, 17:59

So what you are saying is that all the webmasters should confirm that you want to click right?

Then what happens when these people that belong to 400 programs and are ALREADY whining that they don't have time to "READ" the emails have to take twice as long to get credit?

As for testing the intelligence of the members? Mike deleted almost 300 people I believe (if I remember correctly) so either 300 members are not intelligent enough to to know the right answer, weren't paying attention to their job, were too busy with the other 700-800 emails they get to do their job, were using cheat software or can't understand English.

Either way, no one will convince anyone else to feel the way the other side feels in this.

Mike isn't reinstating accounts (that I am aware of) and I support him. I love being a member of his site. He is a wonderful and kind person who runs HIS site as he sees fit. If you don't agree with it, there are at least 1000 other programs that you can be a member of and I'm sure the WM would love to have you.

Have a wonderful day!

brela101201

5th August 2003, 18:25

Originally posted by pierina
Maybe you have noticed that I have noticed that it was you (brela101201) who wrote the accusation about hackingthreat and changed her name to yours. Yes I noticed before I read your new accusations!
Are you paid for accusing people or what is your problem? You do read only what you want to read and it is futile to try to have an proper discussion with you. You are absolutely on the offensive to pick on everything. You didn't happen to see the lines : I have never had any plans to hack ... and I have no knowledge in hacking , did you??
No!Of course not!
That's what I thought also!
Why should you pay attention to that!???And waste your time for facts .When it is so much funnier to throw dirt on people and smear and defame somebody!?!
You who knows everything better than everybody else.You who can see all the shady intentions in everybody and everything especially were there are none !
You who really have got the ability to interpret everything for the worst. Yeah , why should you go for facts that does agree with reality?!
When it is harm to innocent people you wanna cause!

Ummmmm.... OK.....
<<Scratches head in TOTAL CONFUSION>>

brela101201

5th August 2003, 18:28

Are you paid for accusing people or what is your problem?

WOW talk about paranoia!!! I'm getting paid.... Cheryllyn's getting paid.... We must be pretty rich!! Yes Mike paid us to accuse you of things using the money from your deleted account! LOL!!
:stupid:

Oh, by the way: That was sarcasm.

bradley1967

5th August 2003, 18:29

LMAO,

Days of our LIfes loves the copy of this forum I sent them.

I will be rich soon!

;)

P.S. I love ya Mikey :) Keep of the great work at Emailmatters.

cheryllynn

5th August 2003, 18:49

This is turning into flames, which are probably not allowed here. I made a "flame zone" on my message board. It's under the chat topic. It is well marked.

No rules, anything goes, except screwing up the other threads on the board. The flames must stay in that part of the forum.

Flame Zone (http://prodatwebdesign.com/forum)

I can't copy the thread over there, but if anyone wants to copy their own posts, I don't see any copyright violation in that. Just don't copy someone else's post over there :)

Cheryl

cheryllynn

5th August 2003, 18:52

btw pierina, there IS a post there for you --- shortly ---

pierina

5th August 2003, 19:13

You are trying to turn everything to your own favor.
I think you are all wrong you who are anti a fair and justice procedure. Why do you all try to angle and distort everything I write. Why should I tolerate an interpretation that is intentionally distorted .And well you are so many pecking on me that I feel like a peck-chicken (one at the bottom of the pecking order ). And I think it is rather strenuous to answer all.And I dislike people who begrudge me and other ex-members of emailmatters.com the money we honestly have earned by doing a fair and decent job to achieve that money. And it is not exactly an overpaid activity it is underpaid. I know that it is an insult to state that I am a cheater. And I feel very offended by that.
I am surprised that you devote your life to ingratiating for webmasters that likes to seize unguilty people's money and make trapmails and so on to faithful people.
I don't think there is a point in trying to refute all your false accusations and credulous uncritical partiality to the thief at emailmatters.com.
It is defamation to go on like some of you do.And it just make me feel so frustrated. I can't change your behaviour and your opinions.But I am so grateful that I am not like you(grovellers,apple polishers and lickspittles)!

bradley1967

5th August 2003, 19:17

Cannot we not just Agree to Disagree.

This is LIFE, we are HUMAN! We all have different oppions!

Why not just let this be!

No one is getting anywere with it!

Some feel cheated some stand up for Mike!

This will not change!

Lets just part to our own ways and parts of the internet and be happy with what we are doing online!

:)

Bradley

matois

5th August 2003, 22:05

BOttom line...

it''s HIS business....he can run it how he sees fit. You can choose to participate or not participate. He violated no laws by insisting members read and pay attention. If you made a mistake, which we all do from time to time, then write a POLITE letter and explain. If he chooses not to reinstate the account, chalk it up to experience and move on. Life is too short. I know I have better things to do than whine about a few cents.

cheryllynn

5th August 2003, 22:42

Originally posted by matois
BOttom line...

it''s HIS business....he can run it how he sees fit. You can choose to participate or not participate. He violated no laws by insisting members read and pay attention. If you made a mistake, which we all do from time to time, then write a POLITE letter and explain. If he chooses not to reinstate the account, chalk it up to experience and move on. Life is too short. I know I have better things to do than whine about a few cents.

Some people just don't get it ;)

Cheryl

Jaikula

5th August 2003, 23:19

I just read over this whole thread, and I'm not going to be quoting any one post except make this observation.

In Sweden, Pigs and Horses are Dogs.

I guess I'll just have to remember that when I visit Sweden.

I will make another. There is NO WAY anyone should have been caught out by that email unless they were NOT paying attn and reading said email. The email was quite easy to understand. If you clicked that top link, it either ment you were NOT readin the email at all, using clicking software, or thinking you were smart and clicked all of them.

cheryllynn

5th August 2003, 23:34

:baaa: :laugh: :hehe:

Maybe there really are :alien: out there :)

Cheryl

brela101201

6th August 2003, 00:58

Originally posted by Jaikula
I just read over this whole thread, and I'm not going to be quoting any one post except make this observation.

In Sweden, Pigs and Horses are Dogs.

I guess I'll just have to remember that when I visit Sweden.

I will make another. There is NO WAY anyone should have been caught out by that email unless they were NOT paying attn and reading said email. The email was quite easy to understand. If you clicked that top link, it either ment you were NOT readin the email at all, using clicking software, or thinking you were smart and clicked all of them.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

pierina

6th August 2003, 08:53

You know what ,if that is your conclusion then I should really want to see all the tests you have done during the years and change all contents in all history books and what ever it did concerned.Because I know you have answered questions wrong yourself. And your answer to my thread indicate´s poor judgement and that's that. There is yet another example of a haughty pompous idiot that cannot distinguish between justice and unjustice.
Neither the difference in between fair and unfair. How comes?
It must be that you are a thief your self a money-sucker and a money vampyre !
And what ever you continue nagging about so is it absoltuley clear that you are not able to decide that.
And what you anti-types ever has to claim doesn't change the facts any way. It is all about malicious pleasure from your side. And you are totally incompetent any way. So just drop it.Who do you think cares about what you think and not think!Not me in any case!Spare me and everybody else your sick and false comments!

brela101201

6th August 2003, 13:08

Hey Pierina - You cry that that everyone is attacking you, but all you do is attack people. Jaik did not attack you, yet you call
Jaik a money sucker and a thief. You are way over the line.

Jaikula

6th August 2003, 18:14

Originally posted by pierina
You know what ,if that is your conclusion then I should really want to see all the tests you have done during the years and change all contents in all history books and what ever it did concerned.Because I know you have answered questions wrong yourself. And your answer to my thread indicate´s poor judgement and that's that. There is yet another example of a haughty pompous idiot that cannot distinguish between justice and unjustice.
Neither the difference in between fair and unfair. How comes?
It must be that you are a thief your self a money-sucker and a money vampyre !
And what ever you continue nagging about so is it absoltuley clear that you are not able to decide that.
And what you anti-types ever has to claim doesn't change the facts any way. It is all about malicious pleasure from your side. And you are totally incompetent any way. So just drop it.Who do you think cares about what you think and not think!Not me in any case!Spare me and everybody else your sick and false comments!

:laugh:

I answered it incorrectly, that is a laugh. You want me to get EM to post just what answer I gave, because EM will inform you that I answered the question quite correctly. I am still in the program. And what my personal life has to do with online life really isnt any of your concern.

It's always the CHEATS and LIARS that call scam and foul the loudest when they get caught out. How do I know, because I have caught MANY of them myself.

Oh, you want proof that I am still within EM, here's the headers of the latest email that was sent out.

Return-Path: <rewards@emailmatters.com>
Received: (qmail 24733 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 13:25:15 -0000
Received: from grunt21.ihug.com.au (203.109.249.141)
by mail3.ihug.com.au with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 13:25:15 -0000
Received: from webmantaner.com (webman.webmantaner.com) [207.44.244.62]
by grunt21.ihug.com.au with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))
id 19kOHz-00043X-00; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:25:15 +1000
Received: from nobody by webman.webmantaner.com with local (Exim 4.20)
id 19kOIb-0006nn-Hb
for x; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:25:53 -0500
To: x
Subject: Emailmatters Points and News + Cash
From: rewards@emailmatters.com
Reply-To: rewards@emailmatters.com
X-Mailer: CashCrusader
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
Message-Id: <E19kOIb-0006nn-Hb@webman.webmantaner.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:25:53 -0500
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - webman.webmantaner.com
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ihug.com.au
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 99] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - emailmatters.com

That email there has ad numbers: 3652, 3653, 3654, 3655, 3656, 3657, 3658, 3659. Optional search at 3660

cheryllynn

6th August 2003, 19:45

nadiaasoma

7th August 2003, 03:48

pierina

7th August 2003, 16:47

Jaikula!So you think you are a he-man or something that has passed the test. Embarrassing for you! Must be a big crisis when someone thinks he or she has achieved something big by answering that kind of questions. Only chance for you to get acknowledgement I suppose! That level is just what you can manage! Ok , I allow you that , after all you are just a stupid brown nose !So what else can you do!
And concerning your sick accusations about lies and so on. Just name one lie that I have made!You think I was talking about the emailmatters.com questions only. Oh, no I mean ALL QUESTIONS you have ever answered. Do you think the world restricts to emailmatters.com ( that the world revolves around it).Bah! You know what !they have no importance at all. They are so big ZERO's that they are not even worth to mention. I do it reluctant and only because I refer to what you think.You poor sad stupid bonehead!
What must you do now!??Hurry to squeal to the webmaster for ...... Oh, oh oh what afraid I become.
HELP!!!

pierina

7th August 2003, 17:46

Cheryllynn
What you call whining is as the matter of fact expressening facts.And what do you know about what all the others are saying about this. Because they don't write here doesn't mean that they approved ! They maybe even don't know that this site does excist .
Or they let other's attend the writing. I think many people is giving up in the face of the difficulties . But that doesn't make them agree with stupid webmasters anyway!

Jaikula

7th August 2003, 18:13

Originally posted by pierina
Jaikula!So you think you are a he-man or something that has passed the test. Embarrassing for you! Must be a big crisis when someone thinks he or she has achieved something big by answering that kind of questions. Only chance for you to get acknowledgement I suppose! That level is just what you can manage! Ok , I allow you that , after all you are just a stupid brown nose !So what else can you do!
And concerning your sick accusations about lies and so on. Just name one lie that I have made!You think I was talking about the emailmatters.com questions only. Oh, no I mean ALL QESTIONS you have ever answered. Do you think my world restricts to emailmatters.com .Bah! You know what !they have no importance at all. They are so big ZERO's that they are not even worth to mention. I do it reluctant and only because I refer to what you think.You poor sad stupid bonehead!
What must you do now!??Hurry to squeal to the webmaster for ...... Oh, oh oh what afraid I become.
HELP!!!

:laugh:

Hate to tell you pierina that this thread is about EM, nothing else.

As to your lies. Here we go, got a couple for you...

Originally posted by pierina
Here are some other search-engines that Mike doesn't own and that he abuses the rules at:
http://web-dawg.com/cgi-bin/homerotator.cgi?dge1962

RULES:
Unauthorized postings to newsgroups.
Sending unauthorized emailings.

There's one there, how is that a lie, easy, they are NOT unauthoried emailings. YOU signed up for EM, YOU authorise them to be sent to you. GPT is a double optin industry, there is NO way possible for fake signups unless the script being used is buggy. Mike aint using CAC scripts :P

I guess though that more and more WMs should put out tests like this so they catch out those that have cried out here.

lil crusader

7th August 2003, 18:38

nadiaasoma

8th August 2003, 03:25

I agree, there should be no name-calling and discrimination of countries, it's against forumrules and should be removed.
I rate this thread verry poorly although it's a ligitemate subject.

Marian

:!:

cheryllynn

8th August 2003, 07:53

Originally posted by nadiaasoma
I agree, there should be no name-calling and discrimination of countries, it's against forumrules and should be removed.
I rate this thread verry poorly although it's a ligitemate subject.

Marian

:!:

Hi, Marian,

I thought so, too, and mostly don't answer -- sometimes answer the other posts here [in this thread]. It's also the reason why I gave a link to a place where they could flame, but I guess the biggest flame thrower here is afraid to go for it :) I am actually surprised to see someone [irregardless of country] who is SUPPOSED to be an adult acting like a child over a mistake or cheat [who knows what it was] that was THEIR fault. :)

Cheryl

pierina

8th August 2003, 21:32

You are as hasty to judge me as always. You call it lies. Mike is the name of another webmaster with that links. But it doesn't matter any longer since I did explain my dilemma ( had no access to emailmatters.com searchengines).And as I also said ,that is not the point. The point is that almost all webmasters for paid-for-reading-emails-sites are breaking the rules at the search-engines.
And so does emailmatters.com yet to a lesser extent now than before. They are trying to evade the rules by doing some odd shapes and pretending they don't force people to search
It was not exactly lies.You don't know if I did get disinformation.But as I have never tried to persist so is it very stupid of you to give me bad credit for that again.Once I discovered my mistake I did not tried to hide it or make light of it.Oh, no I have told you already that it was an unfortunate incident .And it is somewhat irritating that you two (cheryllynn and Jaikula) are constantly trying so hard to find something to criticize .
Look at yourselves and start to improve yourselves.You have got a tuff way to go.It won't be too easy !

cheryllynn

8th August 2003, 22:04

Would you GET a clue,purina? And while you're continuing throwing flame teasers, why don't you come over to the flame forum and take the beating you are asking for? Or are you a fraidy cat?

Flame fourm just for purina (http://prodatwebdesign.com/forum)

Cheryl

Jaikula

8th August 2003, 22:07

Originally posted by pierina
You are as hasty to judge me as always. You call it lies. Mike is the name of another webmaster with that links. But it doesn't matter any longer since I did explain my dilemma ( had no access to emailmatters.com searchengines).And as I also said ,that is not the point. The point is that almost all webmasters for paid-for-reading-emails-sites are breaking the rules at the search-engines.
And so does emailmatters.com yet to a lesser extent now than before. They are trying to evade the rules by doing some odd shapes and pretending they don't force people to search
It was not exactly lies.You don't know if I did get disinformation.But as I have never tried to persist so is it very stupid of you to give me bad credit for that again.Once I discovered my mistake I did not tried to hide it or make light of it.Oh, no I have told you already that it was an unfortunate incident .And it is somewhat irritating that you two (cheryllynn and Jaikula) are constantly trying so hard to find something to criticize .
Look at yourselves and start to improve yourselves.You have got a tuff way to go.It won't be too easy !

No, I just like proving those that cheat and such just how wrong they are in their methods. I dont need to improve myself. I never clicked the link so didnt get deleted.

pierina

9th August 2003, 09:34

Because you did pass the test doesn't mean it was fair. It could be by mere accident. We have heard that to loathing that you actually did passed the test. And it is very peculiar that you dwell on that over and over again. OK now everybody knows you are so PROUD of that! Enough is enough! It doesn't have to be told again. And you shouldn't be so excessively proud of that. It is not much to brag about , no big accomplishment at all.
Ok you find it stimulating to circumvent the tricky trap-links.But not everybody has got the same pleasure out of it. And since that is not the main and important task at the paid-for-email-site it shouldn't be given such importance and decisive meaning.
And then again a fair test is reliable and not based on chance.

try

9th August 2003, 10:33

Originally posted by nadiaasoma
I agree, there should be no name-calling and discrimination of countries, it's against forumrules and should be removed.
:!:

I agree on that, I hope someone will remove these posts and warn this member that he/she 's way out of line !!

cheryllynn

9th August 2003, 10:35

WHAT are you talking about, CHANCE? That wasn't a test of chance, that was a straight up question with only one correct answer. Are you for real? Naaahhhhhh, can't be.

You know, it's people like you who ruin the good thing for everyone. You come into a public forum and lambaste a p2c program because you cheated -- and got caught. You couldn't have made a mistake, you would have let this drop long ago if you just made a mistake. You cheated and you got caught.

You know, the more you say, the more you put your foot in your mouth. There is a time to just shut up and leave it go. Many members here have caught you in lies already. You post things you HOPE we will take as facts, but you forget that we didn't fall off the turnip truck this morning. Every single one of your little tricks to make us try to believe Mike is a bad person totally backfired on you. You just don't know when to give up, do you? Or maybe it's just that you dont' have a life.

But, you're fun to play with. You bug out at every little thing -- it's great fun to egg you on. Go ahead, keep it up :) You're starting to be a bit of a comedy act.

Cheryl

pierina

9th August 2003, 11:17

You do defend a CHEATER.He is the webmaster at emailmatters.com.
Do you think that your assertion presented like this:
"You know, it's people like you who ruin the good thing for everyone. You come into a public forum and lambaste a p2c program because you cheated -- and got caught. You couldn't have made a mistake, you would have let this drop long ago if you just made a mistake. You cheated and you got caught. "

Do you think that would be valid in a trial for example. It is just ridiculous presumptions without any kind of base.
And as you continue tease me for the searchlinks I felt forced to WALLRAFF emailmatters.com to show that he is just as guilty of cheating at searchengines that the other Mike is.

http://members.chello.pl/k.bodych/taza.htm

7. Traffic quality: Any suspicious, proxy, abusive or over clicking can result in deletion or reductions of your account. Traffic mentioned in that of point 9 is the only traffic that will be credited for. We do not allow incentive traffic. Targeting a specific keyword is also not allowed. People must search for what they want.

http://www.lookandfind.biz/rhighwo.htm
Bandwidth Limit Exceeded
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Apache/1.3.28 Server at www.lookandfind.biz Port 80

http://searchwallet.com/?username=chell13
Responsibility of Members

Everyone who signs up with us as a partner ( Affiliate partnership ) must follow the rules: Visitors must come through your personal search link, Search Box, Portal Page or through result page (xml feed). All foreign traffic from partners advertisers other than the ones listed below will be ignored. We only accept and pay for traffic originating from the following countries:
Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom and United States.
You CAN NOT search for yourself as this is regarded as cheating. Only people visiting your search link, portal page, searchbox etc. can search for you. You can not BEG people for searches... We will not tolerate if we come across these or similar to these phrases anywhere: ' Please search for me ', ' Please make a search and click on a couple of results ', ' Please search as i have to pay my medical/dental/student/credit card bill '. You are allowed to have just true searches, No spamming or illegal activity of any sort is allowed.
If you are caught doing any activity not conforming to our terms of service, That affiliate's account will be deleted and banned and no compensation will be made to him/her for any amount due in the account. Don't write to us if your account has been deleted due to cheating.
Spam

You may not promote your referral links through unsolicited emailing (i.e. SPAMMING), newsgroup postings, or any other method of mass communication.

http://www.geocities.com/bifekd/GS.html

What will happen if I'm caught spamming or cheating?
Any artificial means of generating traffic including, but not limited to, hit bots, multiple clicking scripts, open proxy server, targeting specific keywords, hidden links and incentivizing surfers in any way or any other similar activity will result in forfeiture of all monies owed and possible criminal prosecution. Spamming or any other such practice that could reflect negatively on our program are strictly prohibited. Failure to comply to this request will result in the immediate cancellation of the account from which the Clicks were generated and may also result in the forfeiture of any funds owed to that account.

So what do you say now Cheryllynn!?

lil crusader

9th August 2003, 11:30

Pierina - Did you bother to take matois' excellent advice to you from a couple of days ago to write a polite letter to the WM about this?

Or do you really think pigs and horses are dogs, chocolate AND insects (along with, of course, being animals)? That is the only possible explanation I can think of for totally disregarding clear, concise directions that said to select the ONE answer that BEST completed the sentence "Pigs and horses are _______." and then gave you 4 choices from which to choose your ONE answer.

That test was laughable in its simplicity - it wasn't based on "chance" - it was based on paying attention and answering a very very easy question.

So have you contacted the WM to politely state your case? Or is it more fun to just ramble on endlessly in this forum when it's pretty obvious (or should be) that you're getting nowhere?

pierina

9th August 2003, 12:02

So you are a big fan of cheaters too.
And of distorting facts as well. Just as cheryllynn!
It is sad that some people think something is right because of that many are saying the same thing and agree and are repeating it over and over again. Maybe you can fool some frail poor devil by doing so.But people who have their head screwed on the right way you cannot regardless of how many times you try to spread the idiocy (and/or idiocies) here on this forum.
You avoid the subject :The webmaster at emailmatters.com is a cheater and will be a BUSTED ONE hopefully. Do you worry about it?
Maybe you should.Because then Mike has to create even more stupid, tricky and deceitful links to compensate himself for the money he wont receive from the searchengines. His cheat will cause accusations to honest non suspicious poor members who has to pay for his mistakes as always.
Someone has to suffer and it will not be Mike. Oh no , he would never dream about facing the consequense all by himself. He does prefer that others takes the punch.
And there we have another reason to the so called cheat-catchers.
And by the way the test you refer to wasn't a CHEAT-TEST it was a ENGLISH-TEST!!!!
So who did fail it was not considered a cheater even by Mike the creator of the test. So why do you call me a cheater??!!!

cheryllynn

9th August 2003, 12:11

Originally posted by pierina
You do defend a CHEATER.He is the webmaster at emailmatters.com.
Do you think that your assertion presented like this:
"You know, it's people like you who ruin the good thing for everyone. You come into a public forum and lambaste a p2c program because you cheated -- and got caught. You couldn't have made a mistake, you would have let this drop long ago if you just made a mistake. You cheated and you got caught. "

Do you think that would be valid in a trial for example. It is just ridiculous presumptions without any kind of base.
And as you continue tease me for the searchlinks I felt forced to WALLRAFF emailmatters.com to show that he is just as guilty of cheating at searchengines that the other Mike is.

http://members.chello.pl/k.bodych/taza.htm

So what do you say now Cheryllynn!?

I say you are mixing apples and oranges, which are fruit, btw, incase you need that answer for the next test.
I say you are pulling links from other people's paid2click programs and are trying to apply them to EM.
I say you are a fraud and a cheater.
I say you are going nowhere with this conversation and you are just digging yourself deeper.
I say who gives a flying f*** about who posts search engines links?
I say if people are stupid enough to send their link to a p2c program, then it is their problem that their account gets deleted, not the webmasters. He is paid to post an ad, what does he care what it is about, as long as it odesn't break his no porn rules and whatever other rules he makes.

I say you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
I say you are not as bright as you would like to think you are.
I say you should just admit you were wrong and get over it, once and for all.

Cheryl

pierina

9th August 2003, 12:26

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9th August 2003, 12:36

Hey kibbles n bits... Why is it that everyone that has a different opinion than you is a cheater? If you're too dumb to answer a simple question, than you deserve to lose your account. We will all enjoy the money from your account! Thanks!

pierina

9th August 2003, 12:41

So it is right to encourage and support and put at someone's disposal cheating actions?!
Do you seriously mean that it is good and okay!?
He is aware of that he does benefit his member to cheat and favor others to cheat.
He has no moral doubts about all that.
He is not a anti-cheating person.

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brela101201

9th August 2003, 12:43

And by the way the test you refer to wasn't a CHEAT-TEST it was a ENGLISH-TEST!!!!

Even if it was, so what?? The terms in ANY (not just EM) say that members must be able to understand english. So if it was a cheat test or an english test or a is pierina a wacko test, it doesnt matter. The bottom line is: you lost your account because you couldn't answer a question a 4th grader would know. Either that, or you're a cheater and a liar (well, you're a liar anyway):stupid:

pierina

9th August 2003, 13:06

If the test is a English-test then it must be reliable. If it isn't , then shall it not be used!
You must have got the right to claim that a webmaster uses tests that are reliable when all your earnings are at stake.
That is not too much to ask for.

brela101201

9th August 2003, 13:12

Reliable?? What are you talking about??? Oktell us what your idea of a reliable question would be please

pierina

9th August 2003, 13:29

A webmaster shall not be inconcistent. He must act responsible. He must assume (accept) full responsibility for what is advertised on his site. He shouldn't accept morally reprehensible ads. If he wants to be regarded trustworthy. Soon as you forgoes ethics you will soon become a non accountable.
He is indirect responsible for what the members are advertising.
And again why should someone reason like: HIS RULES ARE IMPORTANT OTHER'S ARE NOT!
Rules as rules , they shall be followed regardless if it is his or other's. And his members are breaking rules and he does support it. And about reading and understanding English. How comes they are still members there ? When they have been proven not bothering reading and following rules. And make the webmaster a companion of it all!

cheryllynn

9th August 2003, 13:33

LMAO -- so how is EM webmaster cheating by posting those links? hunh? Those are member links. He can post what he wants, as I pointed out earlier. You chose to ignore that post. Probably because it made you for what you are.

BTW, it is against ANY p2c rules for posting your emails to anyone else, anywhere. You can get your account deleted for that.

So, why, if you haven't signed back up, would you risk your friend's account? And if you did sign back up, why would you do that if you think Mike is a cheater? Maybe because you know you are WRONG.

Cheryl wondering just how long your account is going to last this time and can't WAIT for the next english test ;)

brela101201

9th August 2003, 13:36

Ok you are on crack or something. The members that got the question wrong were deleted. That is why this thread got started. Go back and read the question I asked you. Then read your reply. You are not making sense. What you said in your answer has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

pierina

9th August 2003, 13:48

Reliable synonyms:
1 conscientious, dependable, good, honourable, noble, punctual, respectable, responsible, solid, stable, steady, steady going, sure, trustworthy 2 good, honest, just, loyal, moral, obedient, pure, sincere, tractable, true, trustworthy,well behaved 3 businesslike, capable, competent, dependable, efficient, practical, productive, professional, responsible, trustworthy

It shall not be experimental and nothing must be left to chance . It must be made in a manner that excludes accidental answers. It must be focusing on what is important and it must be fair.
Like if you answer you must confirm that the answer is the one you really want.It doesn't matter if it does take more time to answer questions this way. The importance is that the result is correct. And it must be done in a neutral manner. You shall not wish someone to get a certain result. You shall not in any kind of way work for people to fail.You must make it a way that is truly interesting in a fair result . Not put your own needs before a correct result. And wish for the best to your precious members.

It shall not be conning. You shall not con people!

And you shall not act hostile to the members assuming them to be a bunch of cheaters without reasons.

The webmaster says that the advertisers are making complaints about cheat-software.... How do they know. If they do know accordingly there must be a program or software that can trace them.So why doesn't the webmaster commit himself to providing a system to catch the real cheaters with something like that instead of unreliable tests!? The reliability must be more important than him saving some money not buying what it really does take to catch them.

pierina

9th August 2003, 14:18

Regarding English tests so should there better be a entrance exam . And to be accepted as a member you should have to fill it in. Do not wait till people have earned a couple of dollars !
You could take a random sample too. But it should be fair and should be followed up better.
Avoid deleting people for things that are not concordant with reality.
Give a warning first - give people a chance to pull themselves together. Are not they worth it.
Appreciate your members!

lmdavisng

9th August 2003, 14:40

Mike DID warn everyone MANY times, obviously you didn't read THOSE emails either!

pierina

9th August 2003, 15:01

If I am a liar what are you then?!! A mythomaniac! And a compulsive liar!
It is just not funny that some of you are insulting me calling me names like liar. It is just not truth. But you want to paint me black.And make an impression of that I am a bad person. You haven't yet been givening any examples on lies. I am still waiting. What you call lies is a simple mistake which has been corrected now! Try with something better!

lil crusader

9th August 2003, 16:06

You still have not answered Brela's excellent question and so I will re-ask it.

What do you think would be a reliable question? (this means give an example...NOT synonyms for the word)

And regarding your reply to me a few posts ago --- WHERE did I ever call you a cheater? I asked you if you had taken matois' advice and written to the WM about this. I also asked if you honestly believed pigs and horses are dogs, chocolate and insects!

Where in those words do I say anything about being a cheater? Please quote me the precise sentence you are referring to. If you are going to make an accusation, you need to back it up with evidence. Show me your evidence that I called you a cheater!

pierina

9th August 2003, 16:28

It is not impossible to edit and remove things you have written. Nor to change things. So what I could refer to before might be gone now!:!:

DAzHiredGun

9th August 2003, 16:31

Stop the name calling; or, the thread will be locked!

Stop the personal attacks; or, the thread will be locked.

Discuss the subject rationally; or, the thread will be locked.

PLEASE !

Ron

lil crusader

9th August 2003, 21:10

Originally posted by pierina
It is not impossible to edit and remove things you have written. Nor to change things. So what I could refer to before might be gone now!:!:

You are absolutely correct that it is not impossible to go back and remove previously written parts of posts (or to delete a previous post completely). However, for your future reference in knowing when this has been done to a post, following is an example of what the bottom of any edited post will look like. This "edited by" line is the one thing you cannot remove and you cannot prevent its appearance. If you will look at my post one more time, I think you will see that no edits were made to it by either myself or any of the forum moderators, meaning nothing was altered or removed. The word "cheater" is not used in any form or context.

(Note: As the edited by line doesn't carry over when you hit "quote" this is a copy and paste from the bottom of your first post to me entitled "Lil Crusader!" and is comprised of your last 2 sentences, signature, and the 'edit' line showing that you made a change):
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So who did fail it was not considered a cheater even by Mike the creator of the test. So why do you call me a cheater??!!!

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To the mods: I apologize in advance for this post -- I'm just not the sort who takes very kindly to having words put in my mouth and then being accused of "altering the evidence" in such a ridiculous manner. Hope you understand.

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brela101201

9th August 2003, 21:21

Pierina- I read the posts where you said what should be done with the english tests. Having a little "entrance exam" like you mentioned, actually, I think would be a great idea. But a M should not have to ask the member 3 or 4 times if they are sure about the answer they chose, which I think is where you are going with that. It's not the WM's job to prompt them for the right answer. There is nothing wrong with the way Mike handled the test, or the question he chose. Also the allegations that Mike let members who answered the questions incorrectly keep their accounts is absolutely absurd. If he was gonna do that, then it would defeat the purpose of the cheat/english test, don't you think?

By the way, you never did answer my previous question.

DAzHiredGun

10th August 2003, 13:59

Originally posted by lil crusader
To the mods: I apologize in advance for this post -- I'm just not the sort who takes very kindly to having words put in my mouth and then being accused of "altering the evidence" in such a ridiculous manner. Hope you understand.

Pam http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/shakehead.gif

Understood, Pam. No apology necessary.

Ron

lil crusader

10th August 2003, 15:02

Thanks Ron - I figured if anyone would understand what I meant, it would be you. ;)

Pam

pierina

10th August 2003, 20:02

You who feel identified reading the caption and do know that you have crossed the boarder .
For example you lil crusader .You have agreed with absolutely everything brela101201 and cheryllynn has written .And you have never been opposed to their impeachments, accusations or anything at all they have been written,. You do agree with them to the letter. So don't play so offended and a poor victim.Because you and them are the same kind , a picking mob.
So even if you don't directly have called me a cheater which I doubt ,what ever you say.So does at least cheryllyn make an impression that you are involved in one of her affronting texts here on this forum. How many perjuries will I have to endure now , I wonder.
It is really not funny to try to discuss things with a gang up ( a plot). I find it really offending. Can't you stand on your own making arguments then I think you should better find another object to harass with all your stupid and defaming attacks.Because I am not willingly to be your abreaction's object.

If you don't have one good point to come up with, then keep your sh** for yourselves! Because it is really not fair and constructive at all the things you are writing. More destructive and meaningless as far as I can see.
You are only trying to give me a lot of discomfort. And make me become exposed to inconvenience .
And as I am trying to conduct a sensible debate here you are only distracting me and teasing me.
It is just not straight. And I don't appreciate your way of personal attacks!
You have decided already to pick on every word I write .
You can't stand that I am right about that test.
That's all!
And you are willingly to drive this in absurdum (absurdity).That is quite obvious.
As if I didn't have got right to have an opinion and express it! As if I should tolerate a webmaster that is cheating and taking my money for no good reason ( a unreliable test is not a good reason!!!!!! Not now , not later , not ever!!)Is not , has never been and will never be a good reason for taking someone's hard and honestly earned money!!
What ever you are saying and how you ever are conspiring and trying to angle the whole thing. The facts will remain anyway!

brela101201

10th August 2003, 20:32

pierina - Just so you know, I just reported your last post to a mod!

Have a nice day!
brela101201

pierina

10th August 2003, 20:53

That is just what I should have done with all of yours!

DAzHiredGun

10th August 2003, 21:27

This has become more of a personal nature between members, rather than a discussion of program practices.

pierina, my tolerance level for profanity is ZERO; and, the same applies for personal attacks! I think you have contributed most, if not all, of the pertinent information you have to offer concerning emailmatters.

Ron

lil crusader

11th August 2003, 01:29

One thing that pierina has never given is an example of what she would consider to be a fair, reliable test question.

I know the whole area of cheat tests/English tests is a topic of much debate and the questions some people find laughably easy, like the one mentioned in this thread, others obviously have a problem with.

So - instead of a lot of ranting, I think it would be more productive (and more interesting) to see what pierina thinks would be a fair question.

pierina

11th August 2003, 14:19

I think that I have already answered that question , but okay I maybe must clarify me.
I mean that a test shall not be possible to mix up with a common paid-for-email.There is no reason to hide and make it indistinct.There shall be no doubts or misleading information about that it is a trivia or a contest or a test.It shall be professional .
You have no reason to hide your intentions with the test ( if your intentions are serious). Not be afraid of too many to pass it!
And the test you have seen here is not representative for all the tests that that webmaster is sending out. That is one example.But usually they are not even that much worked up. And that was a bad one anyway . But some of them are more hidden ( among other links and almost no warning) it is a click and you are deleted. The click could happen unintentionally , a scroll-click accidentially and you are gone!That is not a professional and reliable test!
I am not only talking about only that test but his test in general and his real bad tests especially. I am not only concerned over the test I did failed I have passed worser tests. But I dislike sitting and feel nervous about every click I make in a mail.
I also wrote that a English Test should better be an entrance exam. A cheater-software should be detected by a professional detection-software or what ever they use for that , I am not so familiar with those , but know they do exist.

I have found some tests on the net that does look like tests.
Take a look.
http://www.englishlearner.com/tests/animals1.html
http://www.englishlearner.com/online/grbeg2.html
http://www.englishlearner.com/online/vocbeg1.html
http://english-test.net/
http://www.easyenglish.com/
http://www.english-online.org.uk/ket/reading/ketp1_1.htm
http://www.english-online.org.uk/pet/writing/petwrite1_1.htm
http://www.english-online.org.uk/toefl/toefl_struc1.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/on/topfen/testspreptime1.html
http://www.wordskills.com/centre/skills/pv.html
This test showes how you do accept to participate in a test.
http://iqtests.fabiand.net/newsletter.php?test=1

http://www.churchillhouse.com/tests/
http://www.scientificpsychic.com/engtst1.html
http://www.privateacher.com/placement.htm
http://www.usingenglish.com/online-tests.html
http://www.netlanguages.com/home/courses/leveltestall.html
http://www.english-forum.com/00/interactive/
http://quizzes.englishclub.com/

I know already your comment and what you are hoping by asking me to tell how a test should be created.
And you have of course the comment that it was by chance in your mind. As you see now chance can be not only by guessing but also by an accidently click if a test is extremely unprofessional made and not having confirmation-function.In a serious test you can change your answer if you would like to do that.
So now you maybe can stop acting like put on airs.
I have answered the question.
And all the tests I have left here as links are for free.
Maybe that says something .....

pierina

11th August 2003, 17:15

I just want to add one more comment.
His trap-links are not tests. He does put in a link in a paid-for-reading-emails-mail to make people click it. If you click it your account will be deleted. Sometimes there is a warning-text you can read clearly. Other times it is a link that has almost no warning. Not conspicuous at all.Just a very modest text that is very easy to miss.

pierina

11th August 2003, 18:30

"[QUOTE] DAzHiredGun DAzHiredGun
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Mississippi Delta
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This has become more of a personal nature between members, rather than a discussion of program practices.

pierina, my tolerance level for profanity is ZERO; and, the same applies for personal attacks! I think you have contributed most, if not all, of the pertinent information you have to offer concerning emailmatters.

Ron

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Co-Owner, GptBoycott.com
ron@gptboycott.com "

I must say that I am shocked over that you are pointing me out as the scapegoat. I don't think that you have read the systematic
attacks I have been subjected for. I can understand that you can't take an active interest in every single case . But you shouldn't mention anybody.Because they are really not as harmless as you think.
It would be more fair to criticize all involved. It is never only one's fault when two quarrels.
And again they are many against one. It is not so easy to be the one that all are getting at.I don't think you like to be treated that way either.
I should give some examples but I will not. That will only make it start over again. I don't like when people tries to make a fool out of me.

brela101201

11th August 2003, 18:45

Pierina - Ok so what you are saying is that sometimes a WM will bury a cheat link in with paid links. Yes, that does happen. But guess what? I clicked on one of those links once ACCIDENTALLY.
(Yes you are right, it could and does happen!!) But in those instances, your account IS NOT deleted. It is simply marked that you have clicked that link, and you are watched a little more closely for future clicks. But in the case with this test, it was not surrounded by other paid links. It was solo, in it's own email.
The subject told you what kind of email it was. The text inside told you what kind of email it was. The question was legible and concise. It was not confusing, it was pretty straight forward. As a WM, Mike has the right to protect his program (his BUSINESS)
from members who use cheat-ware, or members who will blindly click links they can't understand. He does this latter to provide those who advertise on his program with quality traffic and exposure. I for one do a fair amount of advertising. I don't want someone claiming credit for clicking a link they can't even read or understand. That, too me, is a waste of my money. If you have a member who can't understand that fire is hot, how the heck can they understand what I am advertising.

In short, while your arguement does have one or two worthwhile points, most of it is self-serving gibberish.

Have a nice day!!

emailmatters

12th August 2003, 01:20

Originally posted by pierina
I just want to add one more comment.
His trap-links are not tests. He does put in a link in a paid-for-reading-emails-mail to make people click it. If you click it your account will be deleted. Sometimes there is a warning-text you can read clearly. Other times it is a link that has almost no warning. Not conspicuous at all.Just a very modest text that is very easy to miss.

They are clearly marked. The people who clicked on those accounts were debited not deleted. I quit doing cheat links that debit the clickers accounts because it was unfair to uplines who were paying attention and reading the ads.

Many of these arguments and members who don't pay attention, or can't read english or using autosurfers are some of the main reasons that affiliate networks will not work with PTRs.

That leaves the burden of keeping a PTR going to smaller advertisers who can't afford affiliate network advertising to pay the bills so that people who don't advertise can earn.

There are a few exceptions. I haven't found very many. But, the real work involved is getting leads for the bigger advertisers. Most of the advertisers who use affiliate networks have learned that PPC is not the way to go. They would rather use PPA because their money is not wasted on inattentive audiences.

I came into the PTR/PTC industry to make a difference and try to find ways for affiliate networks and customers like yourself can make money from other businesses and exchange benefits. Those benefits can be monetary or task trading. They can also be lead exchanging and relationship building.

Case in point. Orlafla's most recent campaign. He held a contest to get referrals to a new program that he had recently joined. He's one of the biggest earners in EM and decided to give up a weeks earnings at EM as a reward to a member who joined the other program. He decided since it wasn't a big earning week that he would extend the contest and allow others to enter while keeping the same entrants. We will be holding a similar drawing for more cash this weekend. I hope his earnings are bigger.

Another Case in Point. A search advertiser recently submitted a 1 cent solo ad to EM and I saw that the CTR for her ad was very low compared to other types of SOLO ads that had been sent during that period. I offered her a refund. She turned it down and requested that I give it to a member at random to receive payout. Minimum payout at EM is $8. One member had been in EM since Jan and only had $5. I gave her the balance of the search ad as requested by the search advertiser and gave the member free cash and paid her immediately.

It's people like that that help make email matter in the PTC industury.

pierina

12th August 2003, 15:21

You know probably as well as I do that they change the rules all the time. One week is it one thing that are valid. Next week there is something else.I must say that if a person like Hunyuky writes : "that they pulled a slick one in one of their emails" I think she has got a point there.
I think I have seen links that does delete your account in emailmatters.com. I don't think that I have imagined that .
Maybe he is not doing that right now. But sooner or later he will use that method again. But hopefully he will have learned something out of the discussion here , and changed his mind about them. Listened to the criticism and suggestions.

About the links. There are many versions of the links. One is like you say and the other one is a pure delete-link.He is not the only one that is using such links ( tactics to get rid of costly members).There are methods that are really dirty and some that are less dirty. It is all from writing in the subject: PAID LINK when it is not , to webmasters who write in the subjectline: CHEATLINK , DELETE IT!( and that means the complete email), and in between those two extremities there are those who take 1,2 or 5 cents for clicking the link and after three times deleting your account. Others are less tolerant and they can't stand even one click. Some does remove all your points and you have to start over from scratch.
When these kind of links started I must say I felt unpleasant surprised. Because as far as I remember there were no such things in the beginning. But suddenly they started to use that. And then you were already involved in the program .... so you wanted to reach the minimum pay out and then quit.
Well humans are adaptable and you get used to most things. But something that is hard to digest is that the methods becomes more and more dodgy and I think that many with me do react against that.
When you are in fighting fit you will probably notice them.But if you are tired , stressed, distracted or irritated or something else that is affecting your mood, you will maybe not be that alert and
could make a very expensive and fateful error.
As I still do not think that if I against all odds should click that kind of a link should lose all my earnings. So I can not tribute the use of such methods. I think it isn't at all proven that a person is cheating and do not understand. We all have our good and bad days. And a little humanity has never hurt anyone!

brisatrue

12th August 2003, 22:22

pierina

I can't believe I ever defended you and thought emailmatters was being racist. You're just a loose cannon, insulting everyone here that offers you something intelligent to think about. Stop yelling all the time, I'm getting a headache.
Michele

DAzHiredGun

12th August 2003, 23:41

Originally posted by pierina

Originally posted by DAzHiredGun
This has become more of a personal nature between members, rather than a discussion of program practices.

pierina, my tolerance level for profanity is ZERO; and, the same applies for personal attacks! I think you have contributed most, if not all, of the pertinent information you have to offer concerning emailmatters.

Ron

I must say that I am shocked over that you are pointing me out as the scapegoat. I don't think that you have read the systematic attacks I have been subjected for. I can understand that you can't take an active interest in every single case . But you shouldn't mention anybody.Because they are really not as harmless as you think.
It would be more fair to criticize all involved. It is never only one's fault when two quarrels.
And again they are many against one. It is not so easy to be the one that all are getting at.I don't think you like to be treated that way either.
I should give some examples but I will not. That will only make it start over again. I don't like when people tries to make a fool out of me.

Scapegoat? Haven't been reading? The problem is not that I haven't been reading. Had I not been reading, I would not have warned you about posting profanity, which I edited here:

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=12443#post12443

"If you don't have one good point ..... yourselves!"

Profanity is a violation of the forum rules; and, as moderator, I am obligated to point that out. I am not using you as a scapegoat. You've been here less than a month. Please..., take a few minutes to read the forum rules before posting again. You will find them here:

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3246

As for your comment suggesting ".. would be more fair to criticize all involved", I think I covered that with this post:

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=12418#post12418

As I said before, this discussion has reached an impasse. You are repeating the same arguments, as are your opponents. The only new additives are personal conflicts arising between the members on either side of the argument; and, that IS what this discussion has become ....... an argument.

Ron

pierina

13th August 2003, 08:27

Originally posted by brisatrue
pierina

I can't believe I ever defended you and thought emailmatters was being racist. You're just a loose cannon, insulting everyone here that offers you something intelligent to think about. Stop yelling all the time, I'm getting a headache.
Michele

I haven't ever asked for you to defend me. And if someone is a racist so is it you. If they had been written those things to me if I was hispanic you would have pressumed it as racism , writing the same thing to a white is not assumed being racism.
You suggest special treatment for hispanic people.
I would like to call you a secterist.
You are one of those people who think that being a racist is equal to be a white. And to be an anti-racist is consequently to be anti-white.
Hence you are a white-hater and that's that!
So I do appreciate that you withdraw. You have said enough of common misunderstandings! And I suppose the forum is not the place to spread obsolete and antiquated delusions and fallacies anyway.

Is it some kind of prestige to discriminate and hate white people!?

Tmarie99

13th August 2003, 08:41

WOW!!! You get a little crazier with every post..... :\

emailmatters

13th August 2003, 09:55

Good God. What will be next?

Tmarie99

13th August 2003, 12:08

Originally posted by emailmatters
Good God. What will be next?

This...

Toldja, crazier with each post.

cheryllynn

13th August 2003, 18:11

Originally posted by emailmatters
Good God. What will be next?

LOL Hi Mike. I just reported her racism post... I don't mind bantering, heated discussions and the like, but pure stupidity? THAT I can't deal with!!

Cheryl
vparalegal to you :)

brela101201

19th August 2003, 01:53

Why does Pierina think that we are like 2 or 3 people using 40 different usernames? Man, talk about paranoid. To the subject, What Pierina posted both in this thread and the closed one borders on libel. She is willfully and intentionally harming Mike's business by turning off potential new members with her delusional rants. Beware, Pierina. It is getting close to the point where Mike would have legal options against you.

Oh, by the way, I do not, nor have I ever, work for EmailMatters. Neither does anyone else who happened to disagree with you. (Well, except Mike himself)

Have a nice day!

Tmarie99

19th August 2003, 11:34

Why does Pierina think that we are like 2 or 3 people using 40 different usernames?
Because there can't possibly be that many people who would dare speak up against her........ LOL
Didn't you know that? Oh, wait, you do know that you're me, and michele, and crusader... etc etc etc...
I don't work for email matters either. As a matter of fact I have absolutely nothing to gain (or lose) from the success (or failure) of that business.

brisatrue

20th August 2003, 19:29

Originally posted by Tmarie99
Because there can't possibly be that many people who would dare speak up against her........ LOL
Didn't you know that? Oh, wait, you do know that you're me, and michele, and crusader... etc etc etc...

LOLOL Great answer, TMarie :)
Michele

lil crusader

21st August 2003, 01:44

I've been doing battle on another front recently and haven't had a chance to get in here....I finally got the time tonite and I cannot believe this convo is still going on!

I'm glad I found out that I'm actually 40 different people tho! Silly old me has gone 49 years thinking I was just one person.

:hehe: :laugh: :hehe:

fryskys2001

1st September 2003, 09:03

Well I was one of whom click 2 link but not 3 and mike did not delete me.We are now friend because I now have my own site and we talk to each other but at the time I was only a simple member and he use his judgement for me having click only 2 link meant I was not using software and having click 2 meant I had misread and did not make the mistake of clicking the number 3 Iam stil a members and glad to be

Mike is a great guy and very fair :)

mmamamel

1st September 2003, 13:20

Originally posted by pierina
You do refuse to belive that somebody can have a valid excuse for answering that kind of question wrong.Of course when you earn a couple of dollars when you refuses to do that so... You prefer to have the money all by yourself.
Then does no arguments bites .
I think you should try to see it from the opponents point of view.
You wrote a huge text before the questionnaire which did detered people from reading it . A short and concise and clear foreword with no unnecessary timewasting text would have been acceptable.And invitening to read. You shouldn't trying people's patience by writing things in the purpose to bore them.I think that it was predictable that some people shouldn't have got time to read all the text before the links.
Since you are not paid to read other text than those from the links you click I think people expect that that is what you should focus on.
And then another thing is that to avoid mistakes and exclude the possibility of accidently clicking on delete-links you should have a confirmation behind the links. Like this:

You have clicked alternative B. Are you sure you wanna answer alternative B that is etc.... confirm by clicking here...
Then you could exclude that somebody has clicked on a link by err or as result of distraction.No harm to nobody!

If you would like to have a correct result ,then would that have been a lot better.
That is what I suggest.

I agree with you. I was a member (gold) and got the answer right, but thought it was to much. I was insulted and deleted myself from the program. Not to mention the rules were changed so many times and I lost so many in my downline with all the changes it wasn't worth it for me anymore.
I do how ever think Mike is a very nice guy and is NOT a scam.