New Idea For Boycotting [Archive] - GPTBoycott Discussion Forum

Poncer

2nd March 2003, 05:57

Okay, we see programs boycotted for certain things like not paying or deleting accounts. Would having a certain amount of combined the number of complaints of programs owned by the same owner? I mean if it is the same pattern of webmasters doing the same thing for all his sites. That way, when sites be boycotted, all the programs that webmaster owns will be boycotted. I don't think it is right that one program by a owner gets boycotted, but the other programs by the same webmaster is not. Maybe a combined effort of programs owned by the same webmaster might help bring in more complaints and all that?
Another idea of boycotting is people who makes programs left and right who winds up selling it to people with lousy scripts without them knowing these problems. A kid got suckered into buying two programs for $100 for both which has a lot of bugs. The problem is, that it would cost money to get everything all fixed up.

mrbike

2nd March 2003, 07:46

I think that the main idea here is a good one. I would like to add my 0002 cents. I think that if this program is going to boycott a certain site, the reason for the boycott should be listed and ALL THE OTHER gtpr programs that the owner has should be listed below for our benefit. It then would be up to the individual member to make a decision as to wheather or not to unsubscribe from the other programs that the owner has. I also wonder if there is any criteria used to decide why a certain site is boycotted. If we are boycotting a site just because it has an extremely large payout amount, it doesn't mean that the owner is a bad person, it just means that there isn't any way to make the minimum payout in a reasonable time. If the owner has other sites that are of a low payout, and he has a record or paying on those sites, the owner shouldn't be boycotted, just the high payout site should.

DAzHiredGun

2nd March 2003, 08:16

Originally posted by Poncer
Okay, we see programs boycotted for certain things like not paying or deleting accounts. Would having a certain amount of combined the number of complaints of programs owned by the same owner? I mean if it is the same pattern of webmasters doing the same thing for all his sites. That way, when sites be boycotted, all the programs that webmaster owns will be boycotted. I don't think it is right that one program by a owner gets boycotted, but the other programs by the same webmaster is not. Maybe a combined effort of programs owned by the same webmaster might help bring in more complaints and all that?
Another idea of boycotting is people who makes programs left and right who winds up selling it to people with lousy scripts without them knowing these problems. A kid got suckered into buying two programs for $100 for both which has a lot of bugs. The problem is, that it would cost money to get everything all fixed up.

Yours is basically a dual proposal. In part one, if I understand you correctly, your proposal is essentially that any webmaster having numerous sites and a few complaints on each, the aggregate total of which equaling the current minimum number of required complaints for one site, should have all of his sites boycotted.

I don't think GUILT BY ASSOCIATION is the route to take. We MUST remain unbiased and judge each program on its merits. There has to be a standard.

Your second proposal of boycotting people, for whatever reason, could possibly be handled through a "Warning List." The circumstance you mementioned above could possibly have been avoided had the young man enlisted the assistance of a programmer to check the sites for problems prior to purchase. Any sale "AS IS" should arouse the buyer's suspicion.

Ron

Poncer

2nd March 2003, 23:17

What I am talking about if one of the programs is listed as boycotted, and then the webmaster is doing the exact same thing for another program that he is doing on the program that is boycotted. Would that make the second program automaticly boycotted since the webmaster is doing the same thing on both sites? Maybe a list of sites the webmaster owns might help out as well.

BaroqueXena

3rd March 2003, 03:27

Then you would be boycotting people, rather than programs.

What if a program was boycotted and then 6 months later s/he opened a new one, would that be automatically boycotted too?

mrbike

10th March 2003, 03:23

Originally posted by BaroqueXena
Then you would be boycotting people, rather than programs.

What if a program was boycotted and then 6 months later s/he opened a new one, would that be automatically boycotted too?

You would have to look at why the first site was boycotted. If it was for nonpayment of members, imho would be yes, however, if we the first site was boycotted for his tos, ie too high of a payout, then we would have to look at the tos of the new site to see if it is a carbon copy of the one that was boycotted in the first place.

Poncer

10th March 2003, 05:00

The webmaster who gets boycotted on his first site for not paying his or her's members may not even being paying on their other sites which in some cases it is happening as we speak.

Enchanted

10th March 2003, 07:01

"MAY NOT" is NOT a good enough reason to boycott any program.

You are referring to Chris Cool. But you forget something, he HAS paid people. He has paid me twice, within a few days of requesting. He is trying hard to make a come back, the least we can do is give him a chance.

The "kid" you are referring to is Tony and he has showed a lot of maturity in pulling through the difficult situation he was faced with. By continually calling him a "kid", you are making me uncomfortable to be in his programs any longer.

I feel that you are bringing up personal issues here. I mean, it is no secret the way you feel about Chris Cool and your obvious outrage in the "kid" getting two bad sites from him. So you are making this suggestion hoping that the mods and admin will think about this and hoping that Chris will get all his sites boycotted.

I have two suggestions for you.

1) GROW UP

2) Put your "personal" grudges behind you and think of the whole thing with an open mind.

BaroqueXena

10th March 2003, 07:52

Originally posted by Enchanted
"MAY NOT" is NOT a good enough reason to boycott any program.

You are referring to Chris Cool. But you forget something, he HAS paid people. He has paid me twice, within a few days of requesting. He is trying hard to make a come back, the least we can do is give him a chance.

The "kid" you are referring to is Tony and he has showed a lot of maturity in pulling through the difficult situation he was faced with. By continually calling him a "kid", you are making me uncomfortable to be in his programs any longer.

I feel that you are bringing up personal issues here. I mean, it is no secret the way you feel about Chris Cool and your obvious outrage in the "kid" getting two bad sites from him. So you are making this suggestion hoping that the mods and admin will think about this and hoping that Chris will get all his sites boycotted.

I have two suggestions for you.

1) GROW UP

2) Put your "personal" grudges behind you and think of the whole thing with an open mind.

Thank you for saying what most of us have been wanting to say but could never quite put into words.

nadiaasoma

10th March 2003, 18:02

Originally posted by DAzHiredGun

Yours is basically a dual proposal. In part one, if I understand you correctly, your proposal is essentially that any webmaster having numerous sites and a few complaints on each, the aggregate total of which equaling the current minimum number of required complaints for one site, should have all of his sites boycotted.

I don't think GUILT BY ASSOCIATION is the route to take. We MUST remain unbiased and judge each program on its merits. There has to be a standard.

Your second proposal of boycotting people, for whatever reason, could possibly be handled through a "Warning List." The circumstance you mementioned above could possibly have been avoided had the young man enlisted the assistance of a programmer to check the sites for problems prior to purchase. Any sale "AS IS" should arouse the buyer's suspicion.

Ron

I like the idea of a warninglist.
I saw something on the board but I can't find it anymore.
That tells me it's not on the right place.
I do agree with you all that we can only boycot a program
when it is proven "wrong".
But I would like a list of boycotted programs with their owners
and the other programs they own.
I would like to have that list on a visable place.
Just the other day, someone was trying to join Emailtreasures
and didn't know what was wrong.
I joined Paidworld without knowing that the program belongs
to Stilwell.
I didn't like it so I left again but if there was a list I wouldn't
have to go thrue that trouble.
Can we have a visable place on the forum for that.

I also think that we have to give Poncer some room to "grow up",
His idea has a constructive side to it that we should support!

Marian

Enchanted

10th March 2003, 23:25

I have no problem giving room for Poncer to grow up. But according to what he says, Boycott forum will have to boycott "people" rather than programs, which is not what it is doing now.

For example, let's say Tony bought those "crappy" programs from Chris Cool and did not succeed in pulling it through, that he owed a lot of people etc and his two programs got boycotted. Remember that according to Poncer, it is NOT Tony's fault for buying the "crappy" programs. It's Chris Cool's fault for "selling the poor kid" the crappy programs.

Let's say after a while Tony buys new scripts and he makes a genuine effort to run it well, how would he feel to get his programs "boycotted" even before it is given a chance because his previous attempts were a flop because he "may not" pay? "may not" honour his promises to members? This is what I am against.

Marian, people make mistakes, webmasters may not honour their promises to members, members get upset etc etc. But here, the issue Poncer is discussing is not "constructive". I say this because he has been very clear about how he feels about Chris Cool and the "poor kid" he sold the crappy programs to. Chris is trying his best to correct his mistakes and move forwards. I am not saying he will succeed because I do not know. But the least we can do is give him another chance. How do you think he will feel to get ALL his sites boycotted because of something he did in the past?

I am willing to give Chris Cool a chance because in my personal opinion, he has paid me twice, very fast, sends mails everyday, his referral structure in the program I am in is good and payout is only 50 cents which is achievable. So I see no reason not to give him another chance.

Don't forget, we are not talking about any other issue here other than Chris Cool and Tony. If we were discussing any other program, I may have a different view and I may even agree with Poncer. But there is no mistake as to who he is referring to when he posted his message.

nadiaasoma

11th March 2003, 04:45

I don't know Enchanted, I'm not familiar with the "case".
Is there a program of Chris boycotted?

A (warning) list should not be a tool for personal vendetta's.
Just a list of programs that are boycotted and the name of
the owner with his or her other programs mentioned.
No discussion, nothing else.
If we want to discuss programs or owners, there are other
places to do so.
I wonder if Poncer is able and willing to make such a list
without personal remarks, and without other issues like
the mentioned scripts.

I think the discuss boycotted programs folder gives us a
place for trying to get a program of the boycot-list don't
you think?

Marian

Poncer

11th March 2003, 04:55

You are referring to Chris Cool.

Was not talking about ChrisCool. The webmaster I am talking about is on the Boycott list with one of his programs.

Enchanted

11th March 2003, 04:56

At TKO, we used to have a "watch list", consisting of programs that have a not so good reputation and can be considered to be boycotted at a later stage. I think we listed various threads that people discussed about these programs in other forums as a cross reference.

Yes, Chris has one program boycotted.

Poncer

11th March 2003, 04:59

Originally posted by Enchanted
I have no problem giving room for Poncer to grow up. But according to what he says, Boycott forum will have to boycott "people" rather than programs, which is not what it is doing now.

For example, let's say Tony bought those "crappy" programs from Chris Cool and did not succeed in pulling it through, that he owed a lot of people etc and his two programs got boycotted. Remember that according to Poncer, it is NOT Tony's fault for buying the "crappy" programs. It's Chris Cool's fault for "selling the poor kid" the crappy programs.

Let's say after a while Tony buys new scripts and he makes a genuine effort to run it well, how would he feel to get his programs "boycotted" even before it is given a chance because his previous attempts were a flop because he "may not" pay? "may not" honour his promises to members? This is what I am against.

Marian, people make mistakes, webmasters may not honour their promises to members, members get upset etc etc. But here, the issue Poncer is discussing is not "constructive". I say this because he has been very clear about how he feels about Chris Cool and the "poor kid" he sold the crappy programs to. Chris is trying his best to correct his mistakes and move forwards. I am not saying he will succeed because I do not know. But the least we can do is give him another chance. How do you think he will feel to get ALL his sites boycotted because of something he did in the past?

I am willing to give Chris Cool a chance because in my personal opinion, he has paid me twice, very fast, sends mails everyday, his referral structure in the program I am in is good and payout is only 50 cents which is achievable. So I see no reason not to give him another chance.

Don't forget, we are not talking about any other issue here other than Chris Cool and Tony. If we were discussing any other program, I may have a different view and I may even agree with Poncer. But there is no mistake as to who he is referring to when he posted his message.

Enchanted, I was talking about Stilwell. So many of the same complaints on all his programs. Maybe not as many on PaidWorld, but, still the same complaints.

Poncer

11th March 2003, 05:01

Originally posted by nadiaasoma
I don't know Enchanted, I'm not familiar with the "case".
Is there a program of Chris boycotted?

A (warning) list should not be a tool for personal vendetta's.
Just a list of programs that are boycotted and the name of
the owner with his or her other programs mentioned.
No discussion, nothing else.
If we want to discuss programs or owners, there are other
places to do so.
I wonder if Poncer is able and willing to make such a list
without personal remarks, and without other issues like
the mentioned scripts.

I think the discuss boycotted programs folder gives us a
place for trying to get a program of the boycot-list don't
you think?

Marian

Chris had one on the boycott list, but I don't know why they took it down for. Read2BeRich I think it was the program. Why? For completely deleting all the members.

Enchanted

11th March 2003, 05:07

Yes, you were talking about Stilwell and Chris Cool AS WELL.

I am not in any of John's programs but getting one program of his boycotted is reason enough to get ALL his programs boycotted? I think what needs to be done is to assess "program by program" or "case by case" whatever you wish to call. If not, boycott forum is going to be accused of boycotting "people" rather than "programs".

Poncer

11th March 2003, 05:11

Originally posted by Enchanted
Yes, you were talking about Stilwell and Chris Cool AS WELL.

I am not in any of John's programs but getting one program of his boycotted is reason enough to get ALL his programs boycotted? I think what needs to be done is to assess "program by program" or "case by case" whatever you wish to call. If not, boycott forum is going to be accused of boycotting "people" rather than "programs".

Enchanted, what I am talking about is that TDE is boycotted for not paying and all that. Cash4Hits should be boycotted as well because the same number of complaints about those programs. I also see that both ChrisCool and MR. Stilwell is not popular anywhere either because they pissed so many people off.

Enchanted

11th March 2003, 05:18

I am not in John's programs, so I am not touching this area. But Chris is try hard to correct his mistakes. What sort of support do you think we are giving if we take part in getting ALL his sites boycotted? If his programs are to be boycotted, as I said, "program by program" should be taken into consideration. Not the entire group of programs under him.

Tony nearly gave up the two programs back to Chris but decided to keep them. Some members, including myself have given him a chance to put things behind him and start a new. Don't you think Chris should be given a chance too? Maybe he pissed off people once, twice, three times but that does not mean we cannot give him another chance, when he has OPENLY claimed he is trying to correct his mistakes.

Are you in any of his programs NOW? I mean like "now".

nadiaasoma

11th March 2003, 07:00

Originally posted by Enchanted
At TKO, we used to have a "watch list", consisting of programs that have a not so good reputation and can be considered to be boycotted at a later stage. I think we listed various threads that people discussed about these programs in other forums as a cross reference.

Yes, Chris has one program boycotted.

I see, better get my Einstein-signature back, lol

Marian

Enchanted

11th March 2003, 07:21

What signature?

nadiaasoma

11th March 2003, 08:21

He said:

You can't solve problems with the same thinking that caused
them.
He was a genius.
It was mend as a joke because I didn't noticed it was about a high payout!

I think it's a good thing that you and Poncer are actualy discussing things.

Marian

DAzHiredGun

11th March 2003, 10:29

Originally posted by Poncer
Cash4Hits should be boycotted as well because the same number of complaints about those programs.

No, that is not correct. "Comments" made during a discussion of a program through forum threads are not the same as "complaints" filed through the main page of GPTBoycott, which is the method we use to assign programs to the "Boycott List."

Many people, including myself, may "comment" on a program during a discussion and offer an opinion, yet not belong to the program; however, "complaints" are made by program members based on fact and personal experience.

Programs are added to the "Boycott List" after ten complaints have been made through the main page, regardless of the number of comments made in forum threads.

Ron

nadiaasoma

11th March 2003, 17:06

Thank you Ron, for explaining the boycotrules to us.
I wasn't aware of them so specificaly.

When Enchanted feels so strongly against a list because he wants to give
Chris Cool a second change and don't want him on a list, I suggest that we
drop that for a while.

But I'm afraid Chris is not doing a good job at it Enchanted, there are complaints.

Marian

Enchanted

11th March 2003, 22:31

Marian,

Whether a program is good or bad, there are negative comments from members or non-members. You cannot avoid this totally. I BELONG to one of Chris Cools' programs and I get mails daily, links are 1/4 cents or more and I have been paid twice within a few days of requesting payment. So I am speaking from my experience of BEING in his program. My decision to give him another chance is based on that experience. I am seriously considering joining his other programs.

I am not saying Chris will succeed because I do not know. I am not saying he will not scam people at some point because I don't know. But there is no reason not to give him another chance.

Dil.

p.s. I am a 'she' lol.

Originally posted by nadiaasoma
Thank you Ron, for explaining the boycotrules to us.
I wasn't aware of them so specificaly.

When Enchanted feels so strongly against a list because he wants to give Chris Cool a second change and don't want him on a list, I suggest that we drop that for a while.

But I'm afraid Chris is not doing a good job at it Enchanted, there are complaints.

Marian

kiwinz

11th March 2003, 23:23

This is just another one of poncers attacks
He cannot seem to let things go
he absolutly hates chriscool as you can see from his prior posts at getpaidforum and here and maybe some other forums

i find chriscool to be a very nice guy
who is friendly to chat with and seems he got into more than he could handle (buying paid email sites)
the script that he sold to bemybubble ( which has NOTHING to do with poncer) was crap from the start infact all of the script driss makes are crap worse than cac if i must say
They have holes in them left right and center and middle and top and bottom and inbetween the middle and bottom and basicly they are everywhere

ANYONE with half the knowledge that i have ( and i dont have jack ) can hack the sites and steal all member info and possibly send out paid links etc

I think you ( meaning poncer) should stop hating people for things that have nothing to do with you
Bemmy should go back to his geocities paid to reads and lurking in chatrooms as he does and maybe go back to school and learn some real buisness ideas

back on topic
No i dont think all of ones sites if one of theres have been boycotted shoulnt be boycotted

Look at richard crowder<sp>
Emailtraffickingdom fell and was close to boycotting
but most his other sites stayed as god programs

Look at chriscool
His readtoberich had complaints and was bycotted
His other sites were paying

Look at that geniemail thing
his other sites pay Searchtimes,gozinta etc

Enchanted

12th March 2003, 00:21

I basically agree with what you say kiwi, except:

a) ETK did not FALL. It had a temporary set back. It's up and running again.

b) ETK was listed in "suggest a program to boycott" but then, that is where everyone goes at the drop of a hat don't you think? But I seriously do not think it was close to being boycotted.

TKO

12th March 2003, 00:24

ETK lost the seal yes and is working very hard to get back to normal, and with the support of members ETK is getting their, plus none of our other sites were ever listed on Boycott and some were not even around at that time. You unsubscribed from all TKO sites and told the world with your post and then ran me down by saying I blocked you on my MSN which is not true and still have you on my list and see you come on and off line.

You have had a problem with ETK for months even before I was away and is unfair that you keep running a site down as you say give Chris Cool a chance we let ETK have a chance.

Richard

Poncer

12th March 2003, 00:28

Originally posted by Enchanted
Marian,

Whether a program is good or bad, there are negative comments from members or non-members. You cannot avoid this totally. I BELONG to one of Chris Cools' programs and I get mails daily, links are 1/4 cents or more and I have been paid twice within a few days of requesting payment. So I am speaking from my experience of BEING in his program. My decision to give him another chance is based on that experience. I am seriously considering joining his other programs.

I am not saying Chris will succeed because I do not know. I am not saying he will not scam people at some point because I don't know. But there is no reason not to give him another chance.

Dil.

p.s. I am a 'she' lol.

I am a member of one of Chris's sites which I hate it. He took over Reading4Cash from Chris Keer. He is messing up big time which there was the timer problem was messing up on him after he took over.

Enchanted

12th March 2003, 00:34

Read kiwi's post David.

He has something to say about Driss's programs.

If you don't like the program, why are you still in it?

Poncer

12th March 2003, 00:35

Kiwi, why don't you tell others why you got banned from the other forum? Another thing, I am not the only person who complained about ChrisCool either. Jay did himself, and several others. The programs that Chris gave to BeMy were Driss scripts. But all the programs have holes in security including CCs, and CACs. I see it as Chris preyed on BeMy and suckered him into having the two programs. Someone needs to take a stand against someone who took advantage of a kid.

Poncer

12th March 2003, 00:37

Originally posted by Enchanted
Read kiwi's post David.

He has something to say about Driss's programs.

If you don't like the program, why are you still in it?

Take a look at who knew it was ascript done by Driss? ChrisCool. Tony did not know what type of scripts really.

Enchanted

12th March 2003, 00:45

Sorry poncer, I am out of here unless there is something WORTHWHILE to talk about. I said everything I had to say about Chris Cool. I see this thread is starting to become a tug of war.

kiwinz

12th March 2003, 01:06

i got banned becuase i told the owner to f***off and told him just how i felt over there in regards to feeling like i was worth something and asked him to DELETE my account there and it went on from there

--
And will you ever come up with new things to say?
its all the same you try and put me down becuase i got banned from a forum when you dont know anything as to why i was banned
yes as i said chris gave bemy scripts made by driss
which are full of bugs which most people will know by taking a look at them
yes cac are full of bugs
No cc arent full of bugs , they may have a few bugs which are takin care of IMEDIATLY free of charge by the creator
Now you dont see driss or frank strightening out the bugs now do you?

Funny how you say someone needs to take action against chris becuase he took advantage of a kid

CHris is a kid so you have basicly been harassing a kid which could get you jailed ( dunno though )

CC dont have holes in security
the host they host on has holes

you say chris suckered and preyed on bemy into having two programs
Thats UTTER bulls**t
where you get these things is amazing
chris was going to sell the site(s) on ebay but bemy wanted them for a cheaper price than chris was going to sell
where bemy hasnt paid even 30% of that YET!
so the way i see it is bemy has is trying to blame it on chris when its his fault
that he doesnt know anything about trying to run a website
Why didnt bemy stick to his geocities paid to read sites?
where he scammed a few people
20 at the most
its obvious you have some major issues with chris and his sites

Originally posted by Poncer
Kiwi, why don't you tell others why you got banned from the other forum? Another thing, I am not the only person who complained about ChrisCool either. Jay did himself, and several others. The programs that Chris gave to BeMy were Driss scripts. But all the programs have holes in security including CCs, and CACs. I see it as Chris preyed on BeMy and suckered him into having the two programs. Someone needs to take a stand against someone who took advantage of a kid.

kiwinz

12th March 2003, 01:11

please dont that post the wrong way
It was more of a comliment
i said emailtraffickindom was close to being boycotted ( if it stayed the way it was going)
and i meant that even though one of your sites was having troubles and was having complaints that your other sites were running smoothly
meaning you managed to handle sites while one was having problems

in regards to p0rncers post about wanting to have all sites boycotted that are owned by the same person if one was on the boycott list

i just used your site as an example of why its not ok to do it the way p0rncer suggested

i can remove it if you want it removed?

Originally posted by racrowder
ETK lost the seal yes and is working very hard to get back to normal, and with the support of members ETK is getting their, plus none of our other sites were ever listed on Boycott and some were not even around at that time. You unsubscribed from all TKO sites and told the world with your post and then ran me down by saying I blocked you on my MSN which is not true and still have you on my list and see you come on and off line.

You have had a problem with ETK for months even before I was away and is unfair that you keep running a site down as you say give Chris Cool a chance we let ETK have a chance.

Richard

Poncer

12th March 2003, 01:15

Actually Kiwi. I am talking to Bemy right now. It was ChrisCool who ran some of the programs on Geocities which you posted several months back. Bemy told he he partly owns a Safelist and the two programs that he got from Chris. So? Where are you getting your stories from that the kid scam people? From ChrisCool himself?

kiwinz

12th March 2003, 01:15

then he shouldnt be running a website that uses scripts

before starting a site about a year ago
i
read a few books on php and cgi
emailed a few respected webmasters for tips etc
had support on hand if i needed anything
had written a loong email about what i wanted the site to be like
had made a poll of what members want in a program
had all nighter chats with the partners sussing things out
had all nighter email exchanging with rhea of tombmailer
which took around 3 months in total

Originally posted by Poncer

Take a look at who knew it was ascript done by Driss? ChrisCool. Tony did not know what type of scripts really.

Enchanted

12th March 2003, 01:18

Originally posted by kiwinz
then he shouldnt be running a website that uses scripts

before starting a site about a year ago
i
read a few books on php and cgi
emailed a few respected webmasters for tips etc
had support on hand if i needed anything
had written a loong email about what i wanted the site to be like
had made a poll of what members want in a program
had all nighter chats with the partners sussing things out
had all nighter email exchanging with rhea of tombmailer
which took around 3 months in total

Let me break in for a moment, you do a terrific job with your site Kiwi. I love your program :)

TKO

12th March 2003, 01:19

OK,

I understand what you are saying now.

I just feel that people are hard on some webmasters because of no fault of their own or they have made a mistake which they are trying to correct that, people will not give these sites a chance. At least I and some did not just up and run leaving members in the cold.

If Members and webmasters could work with each other when their are problems things would get sovled alot faster for everyone.

Richard

kiwinz

12th March 2003, 01:19

he was a "geocites paid to read owner"
I remember emailing the owner in regards to a question i had about the geocites website
and he signed the email BemyBubble
and i remember he was promoting the site on a chatroom
cashglow.com

and yeah i know chriscool owned geocies paid to read sites too

Originally posted by Poncer
Actually Kiwi. I am talking to Bemy right now. It was ChrisCool who ran some of the programs on Geocities which you posted several months back. Bemy told he he partly owns a Safelist and the two programs that he got from Chris. So? Where are you getting your stories from that the kid scam people? From ChrisCool himself?

kiwinz

12th March 2003, 01:22

*agreed*

and i admit and apoligise for "attacking" your emailtraffickingdom back a few months ago but i did have some real problems and noone ever fixed them for months so i unsubscribed like many others but i see your site is picking up again which is good
and i admire you for doing so instead of running off like so many webmasters do these days
Originally posted by racrowder
OK,

I understand what you are saying now.

I just feel that people are hard on some webmasters because of no fault of their own or they have made a mistake which they are trying to correct that, people will not give these sites a chance. At least I and some did not just up and run leaving members in the cold.

If Members and webmasters could work with each other when their are problems things would get sovled alot faster for everyone.

Richard

Poncer

12th March 2003, 01:23

Originally posted by kiwinz
then he shouldnt be running a website that uses scripts

before starting a site about a year ago
i
read a few books on php and cgi
emailed a few respected webmasters for tips etc
had support on hand if i needed anything
had written a loong email about what i wanted the site to be like
had made a poll of what members want in a program
had all nighter chats with the partners sussing things out
had all nighter email exchanging with rhea of tombmailer
which took around 3 months in total

I sent Jay an e-mail if he liked to give Tony pointers on what he should do to handle the programs.

Plus, what was the name of the program you are talking about?

kiwinz

12th March 2003, 01:24

i try my best ;)

but i need more member so im going to start a HUGE MEGA advertising campain to get new members which will go to gold member and will advertise the advertising side

Originally posted by Enchanted

Let me break in for a moment, you do a terrific job with your site Kiwi. I love your program :)

Enchanted

12th March 2003, 01:26

Wow, SUPER!!! I already have 100 or so in my downline :)

How about a ref competition? I cannot resist them!! lol

Poncer

12th March 2003, 01:28

Originally posted by kiwinz
he was a "geocites paid to read owner"
I remember emailing the owner in regards to a question i had about the geocites website
and he signed the email BemyBubble
and i remember he was promoting the site on a chatroom
cashglow.com

and yeah i know chriscool owned geocies paid to read sites too

Kiwinz, I am talking to Bemy right now as we speak. I asked him about CashGlow. He said he wanted to join there, but the username was already taken. It is possible that it is somebody else who is using that id under Cashglow. May need to ask the webmaster of Cashglow if he knows the name of that user of BemyBubble to clear the kid. This is Tony's first two programs he is running of the Get Paid type.

kiwinz

12th March 2003, 01:31

did jay give him advice?
did he take that advice and use it?

the site i was talking about was bunnymail4u
(before the current owner now has it)
it was sold some 5-6 months after launched due to the 2 partners wanting to sell as one of them was going off to a fulltime job and one was a huge 1heluva lover
and i didnt have the money to buy the partners share out
and had about $60 i got from srounging money up to buy them out

Originally posted by Poncer

I sent Jay an e-mail if he liked to give Tony pointers on what he should do to handle the programs.

Plus, what was the name of the program you are talking about?

kiwinz

12th March 2003, 01:34

yeah im going to have a ref contest soon ( after all the ones from other sites finish)
i tried some new
a get 10 refs in 24 hours and get your balance paid out to your e-gold account but only one person partisipated and got 9 refs :P

Originally posted by Enchanted
Wow, SUPER!!! I already have 100 or so in my downline :)

How about a ref competition? I cannot resist them!! lol

Enchanted

12th March 2003, 01:36

Originally posted by kiwinz
*agreed*

and i admit and apoligise for "attacking" your emailtraffickingdom back a few months ago but i did have some real problems and noone ever fixed them for months so i unsubscribed like many others but i see your site is picking up again which is good
and i admire you for doing so instead of running off like so many webmasters do these days

Kiwi,

ETK has had its bad time and now both Richard and I are trying our best to get things staretd. Sorry for misunderstanding your post.

If you would like to be a part of ETK again and if we have still have your details in our back up, we will reinstate your account (earnings, active members since we deleted inactives and your gold membership).

kiwinz

12th March 2003, 01:41

If you have a backup
I would love to be reinstated :)

Poncer

12th March 2003, 01:42

Originally posted by kiwinz
did jay give him advice?
did he take that advice and use it?

the site i was talking about was bunnymail4u
(before the current owner now has it)
it was sold some 5-6 months after launched due to the 2 partners wanting to sell as one of them was going off to a fulltime job and one was a huge 1heluva lover
and i didnt have the money to buy the partners share out
and had about $60 i got from srounging money up to buy them out

Tony did not buy BunnyMail4U. Don't know what you are talking about, but Tony said he does not run any geocities sites.

Now, Tony still has not heard from Jay yet to get advice. I also asked Jay if it is possible that the scripts can be converted to CC scripts to get rid of the bugs. I have not heard from him on that part either. I am asking Tony not to give up yet where we can get the money to upgrade the two sites. Tony can't even sell them seperately because they are subdomains.

Enchanted

12th March 2003, 01:45

Originally posted by kiwinz
If you have a backup
I would love to be reinstated :)

Kiwi,

We would love to have you back with us.

Can you post your log in details in the ETK support folder in TKO? Richard will check the back ups for your account.

Thanks

:)

Enchanted

12th March 2003, 01:54

Ok, I posted an update about TKO sites in general discussions. Go check it out people :)

kiwinz

12th March 2003, 01:56

uh i thought you meant what site i owned a year ago when you asked what site i was talking about

Yes i owned bunnymail4u

so whjat site were you asking about or to what comment of mine

Originally posted by Poncer

Tony did not buy BunnyMail4U. Don't know what you are talking about, but Tony said he does not run any geocities sites.

Now, Tony still has not heard from Jay yet to get advice. I also asked Jay if it is possible that the scripts can be converted to CC scripts to get rid of the bugs. I have not heard from him on that part either. I am asking Tony not to give up yet where we can get the money to upgrade the two sites. Tony can't even sell them seperately because they are subdomains.

Poncer

12th March 2003, 01:59

I was talking about the site on Geocities that was promoted on Cashglow by a different BemyBubble.

Enchanted

12th March 2003, 02:03

Look, don't you think it's time to call it quits? This is getting nobody anywhere.

kiwinz

12th March 2003, 02:05

Oh

sorry i cant remember it anymore

as ive seen about ten thousand sites in the past few months
and i cannot remember them all

If i could get into my old email address i could have shown you proof of the emails we had
as i saved all sent messages and it would have had his message in the message feild too

sore_fingers

12th March 2003, 02:06

Originally posted by Poncer
I was talking about the site on Geocities that was promoted on Cashglow by a different BemyBubble.

http://www.unitedboxbrokers.com/webhost/sore_fingers/cleanshut.jpg

Nuff said.

nadiaasoma

12th March 2003, 02:48

That explains the username Enchanted, I thought it was
verry romantic for a men, lol.
I'm glad you are a woman, still like your username.
Thought in2travel was a men, I wish we could see it with
the username.

Marian

Enchanted

12th March 2003, 02:51

Originally posted by nadiaasoma
That explains the username Enchanted, I thought it was
verry romantic for a men, lol.
I'm glad you are a woman, still like your username.
Thought in2travel was a men, I wish we could see it with
the username.

Marian

God Marian, you gave me a good laugh with this post of yours. in2travel is a very nice Aussie woman by the name of Vicky. She is also a moderator of TKO forum and I love her tons.

:)