Nominate someone!!!

[cybertongue]

As suggested (http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showpost.php?p=112833&postcount=43) yesterday by the new owner of this site, I think we really need to step up to the plate and do two things - decide whether we value the boycott process enough to want it maintained, and if so, nominate someone to handle the responsibility of maintaining that process.

While I feel that the boycott process could use some revision, I also feel that it's a valuable tool for this industry as a whole. It would be a **** shame to lose it.

I would like to nominate any one of the existing moderators who have put themselves into this site and are obviously most familiar with the process.

[suzyb2wierd]

As suggested (http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showpost.php?p=112833&postcount=43) yesterday by the new owner of this site, I think we really need to step up to the plate and do two things - decide whether we value the boycott process enough to want it maintained, and if so, nominate someone to handle the responsibility of maintaining that process.

While I feel that the boycott process could use some revision, I also feel that it's a valuable tool for this industry as a whole. It would be a **** shame to lose it.

I would like to nominate any one of the existing moderators who have put themselves into this site and are obviously most familiar with the process.

I nominate Daz and Taff. Taff has already said he is going to stay (hope he doesn't change his mind). And Daz worked the most closely with Rob, he was a co-owner at one time, he knows the process the best IMO

[Judy03]

I would also like to nominate the existing mods. They already know how the process works. Especially DaZ and Taff as they have been here since the beginning.

[Seraph]

Definitely nominate the current moderator staff. Which includes DaZ, Taff, Pietro, and HCE.

They are the ones I trust. Sorry Tom, don't really trust a PO running the system about as far as I can throw them. BIG TIME conflict of interest.

[jennteel]

I nominate Daz!

Great thread BTW.

[investkid]

Definitely nominate the current moderator staff. Which includes DaZ, Taff, Pietro, and HCE.



I second the motion.

[Taff]

I would have to take myself out of the running as I have personal commitments, ( my wife
is not in good health ) This is one of the reasons I explained to Rob that I had to cut back
on my time online. But I go with Daz, Peter and HCE I trust them.

[pietro]

And I too have to remove myself from any nominations. My own health won't allow for the stress of dealing with this kind of a forum on the level required. Moderating is one thing, taking "ownership" even to the extent that you suggest would be quite another.

[dealbarbie]

I agree, any of the current staff would be wonderful!!

[Rod]

and yet they each are declining, one by one ...

[dealbarbie]

Well honestly, I can't blame them....that is alot of work & not knowing where things are heading....I know I wouldn't want to bust my backside for free only to be raked through the coals later if something goes wrong?

[cybertongue]

Well honestly, I can't blame them....that is alot of work & not knowing where things are heading....I know I wouldn't want to bust my backside for free only to be raked through the coals later if something goes wrong?

I refuse to believe that they're too "scared" to do what needs to be done...

[dealbarbie]

I never said they were scared?

I was just saying it's alot of work not knowing what will transpire in the future.

[Seraph]

Well honestly, I can't blame them....that is alot of work & not knowing where things are heading....I know I wouldn't want to bust my backside for free only to be raked through the coals later if something goes wrong?

I refuse to believe that they're too "scared" to do what needs to be done...

I didn't see that in what she said at all. Sounds like what she said - not worth putting hard work into something that's up in the air.

[alilnana]

I personally feel it is a case of Who's Zoomin' Who (anyone that is an Aretha Franklin fan would know the song) to think the running of the site would be handed over to someone to run at this point, just my opinion.

Taff, I am very sorry you have health issues with your Wife wishing you both the best, and Pietro I do understand since I do know your true age.....and it would be a massive undertaking but any of the 4 of you would be excellent choices.

[cybertongue]

Well honestly, I can't blame them....that is alot of work & not knowing where things are heading....I know I wouldn't want to bust my backside for free only to be raked through the coals later if something goes wrong?

This implies fear [of being raked over the coals].

[dealbarbie]

LOL Ok, it's the internet so everyone reads things differently.....Not what I was implying. But, I will drop it as not a big deal lol.

[Rod]

I don't think it is as much as any of the current staff wants to take on the extra responsibility (I'm sure it is the case to some degree) but I think they are still reeling from what transpired yesterday and still question whether they want to be aligned with the new owner or keep their heads held high, integrity in check, and simply move on (or stay in limited roles).

[Judy03]

Well honestly, I can't blame them....that is alot of work & not knowing where things are heading....I know I wouldn't want to bust my backside for free only to be raked through the coals later if something goes wrong?

I see what you're saying. But, on the other hand, the staff here has been raked over the coals on numerous occasions. (Any Admin or Mod of a forum can vouch for that one. LOL)

But I do get the point you're making..not so much a "fear" but a "what's the use in trying" kind of thing. Am I reading you right?

[alilnana]

I don't think it is as much as any of the current staff wants to take on the extra responsibility (I'm sure it is the case to some degree) but I think they are still reeling from what transpired yesterday and still question whether they want to be aligned with the new owner or keep their heads held high, integrity in check, and simply move on (or stay in limited roles).

I agree wholeheartedly.....it seems to me we still have not heard from one in particular. It is a sad situation.....to keep the Ethics, Morality, Honesty, Integrity and Unbiased responses they have all shown as well as their Values that this forum definitely needs to continue in the capacity it has in the past any of these 4 are the best choices to continue and keep it running smoothly.

[owner]

Maybe an existing mod may not be a good choice for the position (not saying anything negative or implying anything negative) but maybe a loyal participant of the forum, who is not a site owner?

They could run the boycott process? Is there any such member that rings a bell to you guys and gals?

[alilnana]

Tom, Are you serious??? I still think it is a Who's Zoomin' Who.....lol
It would have to be someone that has all of the qualities that have been shown by the current Mods, yet they are the one's that have all of the necessary qualifications to do the best job possible, and are most fair and unbiased.

[Merlin2307]

So if Pietro and Taff are eliminating themselves from nomination that leaves only Daz and HCE. Both are very capable of running the site so I would propose that It be jointly run by both of them so that hopefully one is available most of the time to cover any problems that might arise. JMO....as always....:alien:

[owner]

So if Pietro and Taff are eliminating themselves from nomination that leaves only Daz and HCE. Both are very capable of running the site so I would propose that It be jointly run by both of them so that hopefully one is available most of the time to cover any problems that might arise. JMO....as always....:alien:
Hopefully one of them will want to take on the task :-) hopefully they see this thread and chime in....

[hypercoloreyes]

I see the thread. I am not ignoring the situation. It is just too much for me to process in such a short amount of time let alone decide to take on even more responsibilities.

As far as the suggestion of a team effort, I honestly think that would be the best way to fill Rob's role. I think it is too much for one person unless he/she were to make it a full time job.

[Jeanene]

I see the thread. I am not ignoring the situation. It is just too much for me to process in such a short amount of time let alone decide to take on even more responsibilities.

As far as the suggestion of a team effort, I honestly think that would be the best way to fill Rob's role. I think it is too much for one person unless he/she were to make it a full time job.

Actually that would probably be the best idea if you two are willing to take it on

[surfjunky]

I nominate cybertongue :)

[bellestraker]

I hate to knock one suggestion if I don't have another BUT....:p

I just don't see how it will matter much who is in charge of the site as long as the Lagoon crew has control.

Yes he does seem to have learned that he can lose money by charging in, chopping off a few heads and telling the remaining members they are worthless...but....I doubt that changed his 'opinion". It simply made him more cautious of where he shares it.

I do agree in second chances ( when deserved )and I also agree that almost the only answer I could come up with was the same as many others ( letting the mods take over) although I would feel I was asking them to throw themselves off a bridge.

I also found this very interesting...Unless I am mis-reading it appears this little group wants to get back end control over many areas of ptr etc .......which IMO is scarier than having them in the open where we at least know who is who.

http://www.mrgpt.com/


When it was mentioned that Rod take over people ( rightly so) were against it and yet some seem willing to give Tom and his crew a chance.Is not the conflict of interest far greater with Tom and his possee than it would be with Rod?

IMO the best thing we could do NOW is throw up a headstone,plant a couple pansy's, say our goodbyes and move on....:\

The purpose of GPTB is dead and gone....

[Merlin2307]

Belle, I have to agree to disagree here. We all still have our beliefs in Gptboycott and its working as it has in the past and hopefully will in the future. Yes, Rob made a sucker out of all of us in proving he was in it basically only for the money,well he's got his 13 pieces of silver and he's probably very happy. The BG ladies are probably very happy too in knowing that they now have proven that Rob was in it all along for the money and not the morality and principal of the site. So what.........the rest of us are here for the morality and the principal and that is what counts weather it be at this gptboycott site or another one as long as the morality and the principal of fighting scammers,fraud,bad POs etc.,etc..what and where does it matter as long as it's done. We can give Tom the chance and if he screws up we can move everything to a new site. Tom may own the previous postings,but he doesn't own us. I have no problems even with Rod. I will even volunteer to help out. This site doesn't need to die. JMO....:alien:

[wagdoll]

This implies fear [of being raked over the coals].

Sometimes being raked over the coals for what we have done personally is different from being raked over the coals for someone else's actions. Maybe that is the difference here? If you are nominating someone to run all of this 'for' Tom, Tom might come in and go over their heads and then they will get the raking over the coals... you need to have some trust in who is above you if you are to take on that risk and maybe they don't know Tom well enough to do that yet?

[cybertongue]

Sometimes being raked over the coals for what we have done personally is different from being raked over the coals for someone else's actions. Maybe that is the difference here? If you are nominating someone to run all of this 'for' Tom, Tom might come in and go over their heads and then they will get the raking over the coals... you need to have some trust in who is above you if you are to take on that risk and maybe they don't know Tom well enough to do that yet?

In that context, I can understand. I thought DB was implying that the members of this forum would rake the staff over the coals (for what, I couldn't figure out).

Beyond that though, it's my personal feeling that if someone were to undertake this task, trust in the person above them should be moot. I know if I were to even entertain the idea, I'd have my own set of guidelines (such as no interference with the process), for lack of a better word, and if those weren't adhered to, I would step down.

I don't really see what trust has to do with that... What's the worst that could happen?

[Seraph]

http://www.mrgpt.com/

Wow. Um, that site brings back memories.... <twitch>

[bluedahlia]

It wasn't Rob that made this site what it is, it was the members. GPTBoycott is the voice of the PTR Community. Rob may have worked the logistics, but ultimately, it was our hard work, and the fact that we became involved and shared our opinions that make others aware.

Whether Rob was in it "for the money" or not, is really of no consequence. He didn't pull programs out of a hat and put them on the boycott or watch list. He provided a venue, and gave the PTR community the opportunity to register complaints.

I don't agree with the way the sale went, but if Tom stays out of the mechanics of the site, and we have integral people at the helm, then there is no reason to play "Amazing Grace" just yet.

Even though Rod is a program owner, I would still trust him to be objective, in all decisions. He still is on my voting ballot. I'd love to see Wagdoll involved too. I think between Daz, HCE, Rod and Wagdoll, this site could run better than ever. There would be no doubts when it comes to honesty, integrity and trust.

I'm the ultimate optimist. Only time will tell.

[wagdoll]

It wasn't Rob that made this site what it is, it was the members. GPTBoycott is the voice of the PTR Community. Rob may have worked the logistics, but ultimately, it was our hard work, and the fact that we became involved and shared our opinions that make others aware.

Whether Rob was in it "for the money" or not, is really of no consequence. He didn't pull programs out of a hat and put them on the boycott or watch list. He provided a venue, and gave the PTR community the opportunity to register complaints.

I agree with this :)

[Seraph]

True. If we are gonna suggest possible POs who can run things....may I suggest Rod, Dealbarbie, or Espy? All are very logical POs who seem to have a good head on their shoulders. Not that they're a horrible three-headed monster...just that each one is very nice and would be more trustworthy than...other choices.

[Rod]

Thanks to those of you that have giving me the "nod" but I am going to CMO on this.

I have other things in the fire ;)

Rod

[DAzHiredGun]

I agree wholeheartedly.....it seems to me we still have not heard from one in particular. It is a sad situation.....to keep the Ethics, Morality, Honesty, Integrity and Unbiased responses they have all shown as well as their Values that this forum definitely needs to continue in the capacity it has in the past any of these 4 are the best choices to continue and keep it running smoothly.


I'll assume, AJ, you are referring to me. I'm digesting what has happened the past 48-72 hours, reading comments and thinking about what I will feel comfortable with ... leaving behind a great number of friends, some like family, or staying on and, if so, in what capacity.

I know nothing of Tom and had rather form my own opinion, based on personal knowledge, instead of second/third hand information, gossip and hearsay.

I am saddened to see some of you turn on Rob so quickly. I don't necessarily agree with the manner in which the sale was made; but, I was not asked for my opinion. I did, however, strongly urge Rob to give notice to the membership of the prospective sale and cited a certain thread concerning privacy, site sales and containing our members' suggestions and opinions.

We're all still stunned by this; but, I can't say I'm ready to give up. We've come too far.


Ron

[alilnana]

I'll assume, AJ, you are referring to me. I'm digesting what has happened the past 48-72 hours, reading comments and thinking about what I will feel comfortable with ... leaving behind a great number of friends, some like family, or staying on and, if so, in what capacity.

I know nothing of Tom and had rather form my own opinion, based on personal knowledge, instead of second/third hand information, gossip and hearsay.

I am saddened to see some of you turn on Rob so quickly. I don't necessarily agree with the manner in which the sale was made; but, I was not asked for my opinion. I did, however, strongly urge Rob to give notice to the membership of the prospective sale and cited a certain thread concerning privacy, site sales and containing our members' suggestions and opinions.

We're all still stunned by this; but, I can't say I'm ready to give up. We've come too far.


Ron

Thanks Ron, and you are so right everyone has come to far to let this go. I am saddened by the way things happened so quickly but there must have been a good reason for it. I am sorry that Rob did not feel he could say anything to anyone, maybe it is his way of coping. Some people have a hard time saying goodbye or he was afraid of backlash due to whom he sold to. I personally do not care, I get along with Tom just fine.

I truly hope you will continue on, this place really would not be the same without the 4 of you here, I have total confidence in all that you do as I have stated....it is just very sad, and the one's that hurt the most out of all of this are the 4 of you, you have the biggest decisions to make.

The 4 of you have made things so much better in the work you have done and still have so much more to accomplish. I hope you choose to continue what you have been doing.

You Ron are a one of a kind with your due diligence making sure things are fair and never backing down until the answer has been found, making sure everything has been done correctly, and answer questions promptly.....no I am afraid things would not be the same around here without you and I have a feeling it would turn into a ghost town.

Take your time, you deserve to absorb and decide what is best for you.....and whatever decision you make, I will respect and understand.

AJ

[Judy03]

Ron, it's not so much that people are turning on Rob as it is being thoroughly shocked about how this went down. I think all of us are still reeling.

I do hope that your ultimate decision will be to stay on and handle things. But I totally respect the fact that you need time to absorb all of this.

[suzyb2wierd]

You know something, Ron---if this sale had been handled by ROB with any decency at all (ie prior notification so those of who don't particularly want the Dietzel crew having even the limited personal information that is required for a GPTB account) then there would be no reason to turn on him, now would there??.

If its not okay for Christina to sell with no prior notice--and lord did she get raked over the coals over and over and over again for what she fully admits was not well thought and was a mistake-- what makes it okay for Rob (who IMO should have been held to a higher standard because of the stated mission of this site) to do the same thing. At least Christina sold to someone with a decent track record

IMO, Rob is getting what he deserves here. Harsh or not, that is how I feel.

[DAzHiredGun]

I guess you're right, Judy. My reaction, I suppose, is primarily due to being privy to more of Rob's personal situation than most. His pursuit of a degree in law, at Cambridge, has earned him recognition to a level of nomination and acceptance at one of the top law universities, if not the top university, here in the U.S. He had little time to be here, as it was; but, this added more to his schedule than he felt he could handle. To let go of this site was not an easy decision for him, as it has been both an instrument through which he expanded his writing ability, as well as a learning experience in public relations, communication and information technology. He's been a cornerstone of this site, as well as this community; and, I am proud of him and his accomplishments.


Ron

[DAzHiredGun]

Yes, Suzy, I know what you're saying. I felt as if there would be this type reaction, and said so. I guess he didn't see it as I did; or, maybe the sale had already taken place; I simply don't know. All I can say is, I'm sorry I could not do more to help prevent this from happening.


Ron

[MouseWrangler]

True. If we are gonna suggest possible POs who can run things....may I suggest Rod, Dealbarbie, or Espy? All are very logical POs who seem to have a good head on their shoulders. Not that they're a horrible three-headed monster...just that each one is very nice and would be more trustworthy than...other choices.

I don't know Rod or Espy but I would absolutely, 100% trust Dealbarbie to do this.

As Archie Bunker would say, she's a standup broad. :D

[dealbarbie]

Yes, Suzy, I know what you're saying. I felt as if there would be this type reaction, and said so. I guess he didn't see it as I did; or, maybe the sale had already taken place; I simply don't know. All I can say is, I'm sorry I could not do more to help prevent this from happening.


Ron

Ron,
Please don't beat yourself up for something you had no control over.

You have always shown the upmost dignity & responsability when it comes to the site here.

For that, no matter if you stay or go, you have earned a high amount of respect in my book!

Christina

[dealbarbie]

I don't know Rod or Espy but I would absolutely, 100% trust Dealbarbie to do this.

As Archie Bunker would say, she's a standup broad. :D

Thank you hun :)

While I truly appreciate being considered, the fact that I am a site owner would still remain a conflict of interest.

[suzyb2wierd]

Ron.

I want you to understand that I didn't mean to beat you up, if that is how it was taken.

Now, beating up Rob if he were still around--different story LOL. And all his reasons for leaving/selling were/are valid, but that doesn't change the fact that his members should have been given the chance to opt out BEFORE the sale took place.

So far all the suggestions I've seen for someone to take over the Boycott process are site owners.

While I am a close personal friend of Espy's and have an incredible amount of respect for her ideas and opinions--she is still a site owner.

I have a LOT of respect for Christina and Rod--but both of them are site owners.

Having ANY site owner manage/run the Boycott process is a major conflict of interest EVEN if there never were complaints about their sites.

IMO, even having a site admin (who's not responsible for payouts or member deletion or other sensitive information) running the process would be a major conflict of interest.

The reason Rob garnered the level of respect that he had is that this was the ONLY program he owned or had an interest in.

[MouseWrangler]

Isn't it a conflict of interest that a PO owns the site?

He is a PO isn't he?

[pietro]

Yes, he is and that is the reason for this topic. Or at least I think it's the reason.

[Esperanza]

Imo it is wrong for any program owner to own this site because even for the most honest person it will be very difficult to resist the temptation to give ones own programs preferential treatment or - heaven forbid - be biased when dealing with issues concerning competitive programs or simply people one dislikes. And even if able to resist this temptation, no one (even the program owner) will ever be completely certain that decisions are made fairly. Simply for this reason, no program owner should even want to be in the position of owning this site.

The only way I see to possibly salvage the current situation is for the new owner to completely stay away from the boycott process and have someone run this department absolutely independently with the help of the mods. This would take someone who is known and respected in the community and who is known not to have any ties with the owner other than through his/her position here. And who is absolutely not a program owner.

If a white elephant like this can be found who is willing to take up this unrewarding task just for the common good, then I see a decent chance that GPTBoycott survives. If not, then suspicions of biased decisions - whether true or not - will eventually bring the site down and destroy everything we built here.

[alilnana]

Yes, he is and that is the reason for this topic. Or at least I think it's the reason.

I think it started off that way, yet ended up being a bash Rob topic. However, it still does not give anyone the right to downgrade the work of what all of the current Moderators have done as I have read in some of the recent comments in the forum.

Nor does it seem to matter that Rob sold HIS site. He did not have to have permission from anyone for making the decision he made. Beating up on him solves what? It is done with and will not change, everyone should continue to make it even better instead of bickering and bashing.

As for the new owner Tom, I feel in his own words he has emphasized several times within the posts he wants it to be ran by someone other than himself that means run it, not be in there second guessing or over riding decisions unless I am mistaken. He has left it up to the members to vote, yet the bashing continues, and again I have to say for what? It accomplishes nothing at all.

This is not what GPTBoycott is all about, unless I am brain dead, which has not happened as yet.....those that truly care about the site and what it stands for should be more concerned with the day to day and yet nobody seems to be thinking about the site right now, everyone seems to be concerned over Tom and what Rob should of done before selling.

I do not think I need anyone's permission to sell my belongings and it would be a sad day in CA when I do.....I would be fighting tooth and nail for someone to show cause that I need permission!

If you are not happy offer to buy him out, but that means it would have to be a non PO to satisfy everyone because even Rob knew Tom was a PO when he sold the site to Tom or am I mistaken? I hope everyone has a nice Sunday.

[dealbarbie]

I don't think the issue was that the site was sold or needing permission.

I think the issues people have vary greatly.

From the fact the site was sold with no notice.
Then, of course the fact it was sold to a site owner.
For others, it's a direct issue with Tom or employees of Tom.

I think everyone is very much concerned with the day to day, as well as not knowing what the future may hold for the site or boycott process. I believe that is why this topic was started. To help find someone to run the boycott process.

[alilnana]

I don't think the issue was that the site was sold or needing permission.

I think the issues people have vary greatly.

From the fact the site was sold with no notice.
Then, of course the fact it was sold to a site owner.
For others, it's a direct issue with Tom or employees of Tom.

I think everyone is very much concerned with the day to day, as well as not knowing what the future may hold for the site or boycott process. I believe that is why this topic was started. To help find someone to run the boycott process.

Is it Tom's fault that the members were not given notice? I think not.
Rob made the decision to sell the site to Tom full well knowing he is an owner of many sites.

I do not see Tom's employee's in here, most of all I know everyone suspects Wesley will be in here to override decisions but I highly doubt that will happen anytime soon, if at all.

It shows by some of the questions that have been asked and answered already. Personally I feel he has shown he wants the day to day to continue on as it had before he purchased the site.

[Rod]

Regardless of how you feel about this situation, or anyone's feelings, this just happened, three days ago?

Many of us have been here a LONG time ... (even though my join date is recent, I have actually been a member here for the last 6 years)

So by saying we are being too "tough" or "bashing" on a subject, that is only 3 days old, isn't very fair. Just like anything in life, online or offline, things take time to pass and this shall too...but let everyone air their grievances over this.

I'm sure I have compiled several thousand posts over the years as well as many of the members around here (much more than "three days worth of typing") so when we get "scolded" for complaining, that only enrages us even more and we lash out even more.

Know what I mean?

[alilnana]

My only point is that it accomplishes nothing at all, but causes hurt feelings and does nothing to promote the site in a manner that is constructive, unless that is part of what is trying to be accomplished, it sure seems like it.

So continue and tear it down so nobody gains by what the site was intended to do to begin with. Take away all of the hard work that has been accomplished.....and meanwhile incite unrest flaming tempers even more.

So do your bidding of whatever you need to do but in the meanwhile continue to work on your site you are planning to replace this one with, (as you told me via PM) but oh gee you are a PO, duh, that would be a conflict of interest! Yes, I too can be inflamed.....I am not above the rest.

[sophieca]

Alilnana, I think that Rob has been around long enough to know exactly how the GPTcommunity is and when selling this site to Tom, he killed it, not us.

Now what is done is done, it is very sad for all the ones who have invested time and mone in this but any research will show that in the situation it is in now, the site can't be saved.

[cybertongue]

My only point is that it accomplishes nothing at all, but causes hurt feelings and does nothing to promote the site in a manner that is constructive, unless that is part of what is trying to be accomplished, it sure seems like it.

So continue and tear it down so nobody gains by what the site was intended to do to begin with. Take away all of the hard work that has been accomplished.....and meanwhile incite unrest flaming tempers even more.

So do your bidding of whatever you need to do but in the meanwhile continue to work on your site you are planning to replace this one with, (as you told me via PM) but oh gee you are a PO, duh, that would be a conflict of interest! Yes, I too can be inflamed.....I am not above the rest.

Nope, you sure aren't above the rest when you're doing the exact same thing as the ones you're trying to silence. Have you gone on posting about problem sites since the change in ownership was announced? No. You've been posting in these threads right alongside the rest of us.

[alilnana]

Nope, you sure aren't above the rest when you're doing the exact same thing as the ones you're trying to silence. Have you gone on posting about problem sites since the change in ownership was announced? No. You've been posting in these threads right alongside the rest of us.

Go back through my recent posts and you will see different. :p

*** Also I filed a complaint awhile ago.

[wagdoll]

My only point is that it accomplishes nothing at all, but causes hurt feelings and does nothing to promote the site in a manner that is constructive, unless that is part of what is trying to be accomplished, it sure seems like it.

So continue and tear it down so nobody gains by what the site was intended to do to begin with. Take away all of the hard work that has been accomplished.....and meanwhile incite unrest flaming tempers even more.

So do your bidding of whatever you need to do but in the meanwhile continue to work on your site you are planning to replace this one with, (as you told me via PM) but oh gee you are a PO, duh, that would be a conflict of interest! Yes, I too can be inflamed.....I am not above the rest.

Rod's idea isn't to 'replace' this site, but something that can work alongside it, or if the worst happened and this site didn't continue for the better then it could be an alternative, but it's not the same as this and so can't be a replacement.

Of all the sites we have out there (forums, beenpaid seal, ratings sites, boycott), they're all tools in the toolbox and you can use whichever one appeals to you most or whichever one is most appropriate at the time. This new site is just another tool or option for people to use if they want to. It's been on the drawing board for years and what's happened here the past few days has just acted as an incentive to actually *do it* instead of talking about it.

As for Rod being a PO.. if you wait and see what it's about maybe you'll see how that conflict of interest is being worked around to try to take that potential for conflict out of the equation. It's not intended to be a carbon-copy of boycott where someone has to make the call at some point and in the past that was Rob's place here to make the final call and that's where much of the conflict comes in. The other main conflict of interest I perceive is in the transparency of the process, and that's been a question many people have had for years even with Rob at the helm here, so that's another thing Rod is hoping to address with his site.

While I see what you mean about the conflict of people here not being great for PR, just putting on a smile and pretending that conflict of interest or the tendency to deceptive and cheating practices around Tom and FCP could be hidden but it won't go away. We can't change the sale now but trying to get people to keep their feelings to themselves doesn't usually work either in forums or sites. What Espy said is valid, it wasn't just Rob that made this site, it was the users - did Rob just make a site for himself or did he make a site for the users? I think the site is in a kind of in-between phase where it has to be worked out exactly how it moves forward. in a way this 'conflict' is part of that process. This isn't just a site selling widgets, this is more than that, the users really are an integral part of the site?

[Rod]

Alilnan, Is that what you think I am doing?

Oh good grief. You have NO IDEA what I have done behind the scenes to try and better this community over the years.

People are saying "put up or shut up" meaning, if you have a better idea, why don't you do it instead of complaining all the time, so, I've decided to do just that and I get bashed for that too?

I've had some ideas for years now, even suggested some here to Rob to try and implement here at boycott. That didn't happen, but I didn't launch my own program because I still had faith in the boycott system and "who" was at the helm so a bided my time. Now, things have changed so my mind has changed as well. ;)

As far as me being a PO and doing something similar to boycott, there are ways to make everything transparent so that NO ONE can manipulate things secretly. I've figured out a method for that. ;)

Right now, with the current boycott procedure, everything has always been "behind closed doors" from the public eye but I was OK with that with Rob/Ron at the helm.

Now, I am not.

With the exception of one or two hints possibly in one of these threads lately, I believe I have NOT boasted about this idea, well, until now that YOU mentioned it. Also, remember, you PM'd me first and I replied. Was that a setup on your part? :\

Look, you joined just last month. Maybe you aren't as upset by this as some of us who HAVE been here for years or maybe you didn't experience the downfall of GetPaidForum since Tom purchased it.

Were you aware that GetPaidForum was the absolute LEADER of all of these forums just a scant 9 months ago before the ownership change? I didn't post about that forum change back then yet it still crashed and burned.

So, my "voice" didn't change the outcome of that forum and my "voice" ain't going to be the deciding factor on the success/failure of this forum either.

In the meantime, I am volunteering my time (it will be hundreds of hours initially of coding, alongside several others who are contributing) to "buld a better mousetrap". Isn't that what some of you have told us to do, if you don't like it leave or even better, build your OWN version?

Well, I've finally been pushed to that point where I am going to put my money where my mouth is and quite a few others have no problem volunteering their time either to hopefully better the community.

Fair enough?

[alilnana]

Rod,
In response to you fair enough! There was no set up by the way.

I should have signed up a couple of months prior but didn't although I was reading the threads, as so many do before signing up. The day after I signed up, I was bashed so badly by a PO I found myself fighting back which is not my nature.

I truly did not mean to inflame you and hope you go forward with your plan. Whatever suggestions you made to Rob in the past that were not used, I am sure you will be able to implement on yours.

I actually am familiar with GetPaidForum and got tired of the chaos so stopped going there shortly after I started.....probably within a week to be honest with you. Chaos is not my choice of day to day living, so I try to avoid it as much as possible, I have heard and seen enough.

The crashing and burning of this site.....well I don't know. I have not heard one way or another from the Moderators what their positions are as to whether they will stay or leave and if that is their feelings. I think there is still much work to be done, just my opinion, with the current Moderators in place.

[mlev]

Personally, I've been around a "few" years.
Used to be a bit more vocal.
Not too much recently, more of a lurker then anything else.

Although I am personally out of GPT, I wished I was able to give some to the "community".

But since it has worked on killing itself for the last few years, and the fact that when some long time/experimented people usually get bashed for expressing their concerns, I feel the "change of the guards" at some places is rather disturbing.

To the moderating, I raise my hat, and wish you the strength to maintain the values you fought so hard for.

[owner]

How about having the beenpaid.com group run the boycott process of this site? They could have full control over all aspects of that boycott process, and complaint process. They seem to be doing a respectable job already with their paying program certificate. Why not have them run the 2nd part of that program right here?


To the owner of beenpaid.com what do you think?

[cybertongue]

Ummm, I don't think that would be a good idea.

[sophieca]

How about having the beenpaid.com group run the boycott process of this site? They could have full control over all aspects of that boycott process, and complaint process. They seem to be doing a respectable job already with their paying program certificate. Why not have them run the 2nd part of that program right here?


To the owner of beenpaid.com what do you think?

OMG, this is very funny .. I'll make sure to pass the message to the beenpaid owner, not sure about the proposition but I agree that usdollars/beenpaid does a tremendous, useful and helpful job :)

[surfjunky]

Ummm, I don't think that would be a good idea.

I agree 100% with Cyber

[RBNLOVESPOH]

I agree with Cyber as well. Usdollars has more class then that to work for your organization, especially with FCP lurking around and making God only knows how many accts. Maybe it is your way to take her to take over so maybe you can buy her out as well, which I highly doubt she would ever, ever allow.

[cybertongue]

I agree with Cyber as well. Usdollars has more class then that to work for your organization, especially with FCP lurking around and making God only knows how many accts. Maybe it is your way to take her to take over so maybe you can buy her out as well, which I highly doubt she would ever, ever allow.

Well, that wasn't gonna be my argument, but let's go with it just for yuks...

[usdollars]

How about having the beenpaid.com group run the boycott process of this site? They could have full control over all aspects of that boycott process, and complaint process. They seem to be doing a respectable job already with their paying program certificate. Why not have them run the 2nd part of that program right here?


To the owner of beenpaid.com what do you think?

Thank you kindly for your consideration, but I'm afraid I'll have to decline your offer.

[bellestraker]

****...I hate to be the one who is defending this in any way BUT.....WHAT DO we want?

I agree that USDollars is a good choice but not one who I feel would accept....but for me it is one of the first signs that he may be serious about turning CONTROL over to someone else.

Do we not want anything done?

What IS acceptable...if anything?.

If NOTHING is acceptable short of Tom not owning the site then unless someone has invented a time machine I havent heard of I have no idea where we go from here except maybe to the park to enjoy the sun.....

Have a good one

Belle

[cybertongue]

****...I hate to be the one who is defending this in any way BUT.....WHAT DO we want?

I agree that USDollars is a good choice but not one who I feel would accept....but for me it is one of the first signs that he may be serious about turning CONTROL over to someone else.

Do we not want anything done?

What IS acceptable...if anything?.

If NOTHING is acceptable short of Tom not owning the site then unless someone has invented a time machine I havent heard of I have no idea where we go from here except maybe to the park to enjoy the sun.....

Have a good one

Belle

If you think that a promoter who obviously has a bias for/against certain programs would be a good choice, then I don't know what else to say...

I also feel like I should point out that Tom isn't handing "control" over to anyone in this case. He's only letting someone else handle the boycotting aspect of the site. A person contacting POs and members to verify complaints is hardly in a position of "control".

[bluedahlia]

I have a suggestion. Months ago, there was a discussion in the Contributor's Forum, with regard to streamlining/automating the boycott process, while at the same time making it more transparent.

I think if some of those suggestions came to fruition, that it would eliminate many man hours and make over-seeing the process a little more manageable.

How about it Tom. Take a look-see.

[Merlin2307]

Tom has given us the chance to name someone to run the site,basically to replace what Rob did for this forum and we the members have put alot of names out there and suggestions and for one reason or another they have been,for lack of a better term,shot down. Tom is now basically suggesting an outside source as leader and is also saying we are loosing our chance at having our right to appoint our own leader. I say let's get the job done and get it done NOW! If the most qualified person is a PO so be it! If there integrity is above reproach and follows the majority principal of GPTBoycott,then what's the problem. AT one time everyone suspected the top contributors was the new committee for running things,which it wasn't,but it could be couldn't it? I nominate the top contributors committee. Let's quit talking about this and get something done before outsider are brought in and we are left with only one choice. JMO....Merlin:alien:

[cybertongue]

Tom has given us the chance to name someone to run the site,basically to replace what Rob did for this forum and we the members have put alot of names out there and suggestions and for one reason or another they have been,for lack of a better term,shot down. Tom is now basically suggesting an outside source as leader and is also saying we are loosing our chance at having our right to appoint our own leader. I say let's get the job done and get it done NOW! If the most qualified person is a PO so be it! If there integrity is above reproach and follows the majority principal of GPTBoycott,then what's the problem. AT one time everyone suspected the top contributors was the new committee for running things,which it wasn't,but it could be couldn't it? I nominate the top contributors committee. Let's quit talking about this and get something done before outsider are brought in and we are left with only one choice. JMO....Merlin:alien:

<edited> removed the paragraph as it could be seen as a personal attack

I think I'm at the point where I feel like if there isn't any assurance at all that this can be done RIGHT, then maybe it really shouldn't be done at all. Just keeping the thing up for the sake of nostalgia simply isn't good enough, otherwise no one would complain about Tom doing it, right?

[cybertongue]

Also, if Tom is gonna pull the rug out from under everyone and not give us a reasonable period of time to come up with a reasonable person for the job, then what does that tell you about his true willingness to let this happen to start with?

Moreover, what difference should it make to him how long it takes? His ads are gonna rotate regardless.

[owner]

Also, if Tom is gonna pull the rug out from under everyone and not give us a reasonable period of time to come up with a reasonable person for the job, then what does that tell you about his true willingness to let this happen to start with?

Moreover, what difference should it make to him how long it takes? His ads are gonna rotate regardless.

Has Tom Posted that he is going to pull the rug out? has Tom posted he is going to give a time limit like on wheel of fortune? Has Tom Said anything of this nature?

If he has not, then stop putting words in Tom's Mouth.

Furthermore Please review the forum rules.

"2: Comments meant to incite, embarrass or ridicule another member, including personal attacks;"

[cybertongue]

Has Tom Posted that he is going to pull the rug out? has Tom posted he is going to give a time limit like on wheel of fortune? Has Tom Said anything of this nature?

If he has not, then stop putting words in Tom's Mouth.

Furthermore Please review the forum rules.

"2: Comments meant to incite, embarrass or ridicule another member, including personal attacks;"

No, you haven't. That was my entire point. Someone suggested that we hurry up and pick someone because you would choose someone yourself if we didn't. I was responding to that.

[Merlin2307]

I know I don't say things with a lot of glamor and glitz and I try to keep it as short and straight to the point as possible,maybe that is the problem. You can keep talking about it till it becomes too late because TOM decides its necessary to take action and appoint someone from outside as a leader which the majority appear to don't want and then god knows what will happen. Most likely a lot of grumbling some declining numbers and who knows what else. As to the program owner, if it is one who has been a member here supporting our causes and the integrity of the program,I would assume,their program is of the same stature and nature that we would all support. Dealbarbie and gptcashcow are just two that come to mind off the top of my head. Again we need to stop talking and start doing or we are going to loose out. JMO....Merlin:alien:

[cybertongue]

I know I don't say things with a lot of glamor and glitz and I try to keep it as short and straight to the point as possible,maybe that is the problem. You can keep talking about it till it becomes too late because TOM decides its necessary to take action and appoint someone from outside as a leader which the majority appear to don't want and then god knows what will happen. Most likely a lot of grumbling some declining numbers and who knows what else. As to the program owner, if it is one who has been a member here supporting our causes and the integrity of the program,I would assume,their program is of the same stature and nature that we would all support. Dealbarbie and gptcashcow are just two that come to mind off the top of my head. Again we need to stop talking and start doing or we are going to loose out. JMO....Merlin:alien:

And I'm just trying to explain that if you just accept anything in order to have something, you're going to lose out in the end anyway...

[bluedahlia]

OK, dare I say it? YES, I dare. I think cybertongue would be the ideal person. I know she is not well liked by many, but I like her straight forward approach.

[surfjunky]

OK, dare I say it? YES, I dare. I think cybertongue would be the ideal person. I know she is not well liked by many, but I like her straight forward approach.

Which if I recall, was something I proposed several pages ago

[bluedahlia]

Which if I recall, was something I proposed several pages ago

I must have missed that!:p

[Rod]

Here's a compromise for a nominated leader "if" it has to be a PO.

If a PO is allowed to run the system, they must agree to PUBLICLY list ALL complaints about their site(s).

That way, there is transparency because if someone posts a complaint, they'll know it right away because there will be a dedicated section just for that PO's site(s).

There, to those who think I am just trying to "sink" the site for self promotion, there's a contributing idea for you. ;)

[cybertongue]

Here's a compromise for a nominated leader "if" it has to be a PO.

If a PO is allowed to run the system, they must agree to PUBLICLY list ALL complaints about their site(s).

That way, there is transparency because if someone posts a complaint, they'll know it right away because there will be a dedicated section just for that PO's site(s).

There, to those who think I am just trying to "sink" the site for self promotion, there's a contributing idea for you. ;)

And this is precisely why I think YOU should do it. You may be a PO, but you've always invited discussion about your own site (good or bad), you aren't working any other sites (that I know of), your site isn't really related to any others, you've never really "competed" against any other sites, people respect you... Geez... Just do it...

[alilnana]

IMO not that anyone cares it should not be a PO or someone that is biased.

[Rod]

And this is precisely why I think YOU should do it. You may be a PO, but you've always invited discussion about your own site (good or bad), you aren't working any other sites (that I know of), your site isn't really related to any others, you've never really "competed" against any other sites, people respect you... Geez... Just do it...

Do you REALLY want to know why *I* don't want to do it?

Remember when I was nominated (and chosen by the owner) to run mlawrences rating site?

I went in, spent HOURS fixing/editing bannings, etc that martin did because he got into personal fights with many of the members and what happened?

Several days later, Martin copped an attitude, COMPLETELY wiped out all of my work, restored an older copy of the database to wipe out my edits and afer everyone got mad at him for erasing what I had accomplished and bashed him, he shut down the site.

Ask yourself this Cyber, you know how stubborn I am. Do you honestly think Tom and I could co-exist or would it be another Rod/MLawrence scenario?

:hehe:

[cybertongue]

Do you REALLY want to know why *I* don't want to do it?

Remember when I was nominated (and chosen by the owner) to run mlawrences rating site?

I went in, spent HOURS fixing/editing bannings, etc that martin did because he got into personal fights with many of the members and what happened?

Several days later, Martin copped an attitude, COMPLETELY wiped out all of my work, restored an older copy of the database to wipe out my edits and afer everyone got mad at him for erasing what I had accomplished and bashed him, he shut down the site.

Ask yourself this Cyber, you know how stubborn I am. Do you honestly think Tom and I could co-exist or would it be another Rod/MLawrence scenario?

:hehe:

But there's a big difference between that and this. You aren't gonna be running this site. The only things I've read indicate running the boycott part of it. Unless I'm mistaken, you'd be contacting POs to try to verify complaints. How hard could that be (I said hard, not time-consuming, btw)?

For co-existing... This is a forum, not a marriage. You could totally do it for the children and live to tell about it.... :p

ETA: If you're worried about interference, go into it with conditions. If those conditions aren't met, you walk. You don't have to sacrifice what you believe in...

[cybertongue]

IMO not that anyone cares it should not be a PO or someone that is biased.

Your suggestion would be...?

[Rod]

I was always taught that staying together "just for the children" is the wrong reason to stay in a bad relationship. ;)

[cybertongue]

I was always taught that staying together "just for the children" is the wrong reason to stay in a bad relationship. ;)

Right, but if one is on the road 48 weeks out of the year, is it really that big of a deal?

[alilnana]

My choice would be Belle, of course! Needless to say, she is hard as nails but gets to the facts and stands by what is right, she is not biased.

If a PO had the position I would Nominate Christina who we all know if fair yet full of tough love.....and takes full responsibility for the error when she sold her site recently to Lora.

[Rod]

You know, having someone OUTSIDE of the industry may not be that bad of an idea.

They haven't formed a group of "friends" or "enemies" within the commnity, thus, no bias there.

If they perform on the actions of the REPORTS made by members ONLY, then so be it.

Still, my biggest concern is if/when someone complains about a Dietzel site or any of their partner's sites.

THAT is where the corruption has the highest probability of occuring. We won't know how good this "new" person's integrity is or if they are just a mere shadow of Tom or FCP.

I personally think Tom should be focusing MORE on the current boycott flaws that we have all discussed for years, more importantly than WHO is at the helm just to save face. Then, once those flaws are addressed/improved upon, THEN we may have more people coming forward to volunteer to accept responsibility of leader.

Tom, not sure if you were aware of this but there are several groups in this community that HATE the way this site runs it's boycott procedure and, to some degree, I have to agree with them.

I dunno, I'll go back to my corner now.

[wagdoll]

I personally think Tom should be focusing MORE on the current boycott flaws that we have all discussed for years, more importantly than WHO is at the helm just to save face. Then, once those flaws are addressed/improved upon, THEN we may have more people coming forward to volunteer to accept responsibility of leader.

Even if Tom doesn't want to get into that I think it would be a good thing for that to happen whoever is 'in charge' of the boycott process.

[cybertongue]

The speed at which the complaints are dealt with is the key. If that's ALL the person does, there isn't any reason why they shouldn't be able to clear up the backlog of complaints and then just deal with whatever comes in each day... Don't wait until a site has enough complaints to qualify for a full-on boycott to start verifying them. Do it as they come in...

[RBNLOVESPOH]

I think that wagdoll would be a good choice. She is not bias and also not a PO.

[cybertongue]

You know, having someone OUTSIDE of the industry may not be that bad of an idea.

They haven't formed a group of "friends" or "enemies" within the commnity, thus, no bias there.

If they perform on the actions of the REPORTS made by members ONLY, then so be it.

Still, my biggest concern is if/when someone complains about a Dietzel site or any of their partner's sites.

THAT is where the corruption has the highest probability of occuring. We won't know how good this "new" person's integrity is or if they are just a mere shadow of Tom or FCP.

I personally think Tom should be focusing MORE on the current boycott flaws that we have all discussed for years, more importantly than WHO is at the helm just to save face. Then, once those flaws are addressed/improved upon, THEN we may have more people coming forward to volunteer to accept responsibility of leader.

Tom, not sure if you were aware of this but there are several groups in this community that HATE the way this site runs it's boycott procedure and, to some degree, I have to agree with them.

I dunno, I'll go back to my corner now.

It's not a bad idea, but being the eternal pessimist (realist?), I have to ask how we'd know whether the person was truly an outsider?

[alilnana]

To heck with the outsiders coming in.....thought this was to keep them out of here, there are viable people here that are not PO's of any site that would be excellent candidates and that care about the site and what it represents along with the duty that needs to be performed, who would be better to take on the task than someone right here as has already been a few named.....put it to a vote on one of those threads that you can vote on which would enable fairness.

Well luckily for you I have to leave for awhile, I know this choice won't be made while I am gone, there are more people that do care than having someone shove choices down their throats, and they should be able to make their voice heard by voting....so the only fair thing to do is put this up for a vote!

[DAzHiredGun]

The speed at which the complaints are dealt with is the key. If that's ALL the person does, there isn't any reason why they shouldn't be able to clear up the backlog of complaints and then just deal with whatever comes in each day... Don't wait until a site has enough complaints to qualify for a full-on boycott to start verifying them. Do it as they come in...


Not exactly, Sarah. What you propose would work IF complaints were being submitted as often as programs are discussed. Those fifty people may complain about a program, over a period of a month, maybe two will submit a complaint. There's no telling how many times I find myself wondering what is so difficult about submitting a complaint? Remember TopDollarEmails, owned by venomx? We had several threads complaining about that program; yet, it took over eighteen months to get enough complaints to boycott. The fact is, people don't file complaints as often as they post in forums.


Ron

[cybertongue]

Not exactly, Sarah. What you propose would work IF complaints were being submitted as often as programs are discussed. Those fifty people may complain about a program, over a period of a month, maybe two will submit a complaint. There's no telling how many times I find myself wondering what is so difficult about submitting a complaint? Remember TopDollarEmails, owned by venomx? We had several threads complaining about that program; yet, it took over eighteen months to get enough complaints to boycott. The fact is, people don't file complaints as often as they post in forums.


Ron

If enough people went into busy threads and spammed the submit a complaint link, maybe that would help... I don't know...

[bluedahlia]

Daz, why don't you take on the boycotting aspect. You have decided to stay and I know you are very qualified to do the job.....and most importantly, I think we all trust you. I know I do.

[suzyb2wierd]

Ummm, I don't think that would be a good idea.

I agree 100% with cyber and with surfjunky.

[DAzHiredGun]

If enough people went into busy threads and spammed the submit a complaint link, maybe that would help... I don't know...


The mods have taken it a step further by posting in those type threads suggesting complaints be submitted ... to no avail. I don't know what the problem is or the cause of it.


Ron

[suzyb2wierd]

To heck with the outsiders coming in.....thought this was to keep them out of here, there are viable people here that are not PO's of any site that would be excellent candidates and that care about the site and what it represents along with the duty that needs to be performed, who would be better to take on the task than someone right here as has already been a few named.....put it to a vote on one of those threads that you can vote on which would enable fairness.

Well luckily for you I have to leave for awhile, I know this choice won't be made while I am gone, there are more people that do care than having someone shove choices down their throats, and they should be able to make their voice heard by voting....so the only fair thing to do is put this up for a vote!

If all the candidates that have been proposed say "thanks but no thanks" for whatever reason just who are we going to vote on?

And although I totally don't think the been paid crew is the right choice they are certainly NOT outsiders at this forum or in the GPT arena.

[cybertongue]

The mods have taken it a step further by posting in those type threads suggesting complaints be submitted ... to no avail. I don't know what the problem is or the cause of it.


Ron

Then... What about monitoring threads and simply extracting complaints from them (as long as they're either accompanied by proof or corroborated by others)? Mods are already hanging around heated threads anyway to make sure people aren't breaking the rules, so it wouldn't be a stretch...

[Merlin2307]

I second BD's nomination of DAZ and you know I got your back.:alien:

[DAzHiredGun]

Then... What about monitoring threads and simply extracting complaints from them (as long as they're either accompanied by proof or corroborated by others)? Mods are already hanging around heated threads anyway to make sure people aren't breaking the rules, so it wouldn't be a stretch...


You've crossed the thousand post mark and are a Top Contributor (lol, gotcha), post your suggestion in that forum and see what the others think, as well as here.

Something needs to change, for certain. There's been too much talk and too little done, when it comes to boycotts. The current process is far too slow, primarily due to its reliance upon people to submit complaints.


Ron

[DAzHiredGun]

Daz, why don't you take on the boycotting aspect. You have decided to stay and I know you are very qualified to do the job.....and most importantly, I think we all trust you. I know I do.


Has your doctor released you to be here amid the turmoil? Glad to see you're back.

To answer you, all four of us plan to continue as before. As for the admin aspect, I plan to continue doing what I can to assist in writing boycott texts, posting additions to the watch list, etc., etc. Ownership has changed, I have not.


Ron

[Judy03]

Ok, I have an idea. Why does it have to be just ONE person? Why not a group of people who can work together. We all know that it's a rather daunting task for one person. It's especially more difficult when that person has RL responsibilities that can pull them away from the task at hand. With several people, things can get covered faster.

So after some careful consideration, I'm nominating (as a group) the following people.

Belle
BlueDahlia
Cybertongue
DAZ
HCE
Pietro
Taff

None of these people are program owners and all are quite capable of working together to get the job done.

[bellestraker]

The mods have taken it a step further by posting in those type threads suggesting complaints be submitted ... to no avail. I don't know what the problem is or the cause of it.


Ron


I understand there will always be many more posted complaints than actual properly submitted complaints and that seems pretty normal to me. However I have also often wondered why so few bother to submit complaints even when there is ample proof.

I know one of the reasons in the past few years has been a kind of "Why bother" attitude because many felt it a waste of time.

Even when there was sufficient complaints submitted it took so long to get a site boycotted and often it wasnt done until after the site had ripped everyone off and disappeared.

IMO Not knowing how many complaints have been submitted is also a problem.If we saw the complaints moving toward the watch or boycott list others will add their voices.

Its funny when we have heard for years about all the bogus complaints ....How friends drag their friends in to make dozens of invalid complaints....I have been around a long time and have never been asked to go lodge a complaint ( even when I was &&^%$ about the site).

I'm wandering again but I agree speeding the process up is definitely necessary.

Belle

[cybertongue]

You've crossed the thousand post mark and are a Top Contributor (lol, gotcha), post your suggestion in that forum and see what the others think, as well as here.

Something needs to change, for certain. There's been too much talk and too little done, when it comes to boycotts. The current process is far too slow, primarily due to its reliance upon people to submit complaints.


Ron

Well, I posted it, so we'll see...

I tend to believe that there was a collective cringe when I hit 1,000, so that's why I never went in there even after I was able to. I'm not always trying to step on people's toes... ;)

[bellestraker]

Well, I posted it, so we'll see...

I tend to believe that there was a collective cringe when I hit 1,000, so that's why I never went in there even after I was able to. I'm not always trying to step on people's toes... ;)


I hadnt noticed you had hit the magic number and yes you should check it out.

Many think its some big bashfest but it is simply a too seldom used think tank and your ideas should be included.

c'mon...I'll buy ya a drink.:p

[bellestraker]

Ok, I have an idea. Why does it have to be just ONE person? Why not a group of people who can work together. We all know that it's a rather daunting task for one person. It's especially more difficult when that person has RL responsibilities that can pull them away from the task at hand. With several people, things can get covered faster.

So after some careful consideration, I'm nominating (as a group) the following people.

Belle
BlueDahlia
Cybertongue
DAZ
HCE
Pietro
Taff

None of these people are program owners and all are quite capable of working together to get the job done.



Thanks Judy but I would have to pass. My specialty is complaining..I am good at saying what I don't like but not so good at offering solutions...:p

However I would like to change my name for yours.....You are good at making suggestions AND finding solutions and that is what we need.

Belle

[bluedahlia]

I would have to pass too Judy. Not because of disinterest. I would like nothing more than to be fully involved with the process, but I can't be relied on because of my health issues. I never commit myself to things I can't give 100% to. I thank you, though for the thought.

[bluedahlia]

Has your doctor released you to be here amid the turmoil? Glad to see you're back.

To answer you, all four of us plan to continue as before. As for the admin aspect, I plan to continue doing what I can to assist in writing boycott texts, posting additions to the watch list, etc., etc. Ownership has changed, I have not.


Ron

Bah...what do doctors know??????? hehehehe!

I'm feeling a whole lot better thanks.

Glad to hear you are staying. I know that with you and the rest of the mods as an anchor here, that things will turn out fine. You all were more or less involved in the boycott process, so the only thing that has changed is the extra man/woman power required, and that can easily be rectified with the addition of one more mod, or to automate some of the basic functions, as previously discussed.

[bluedahlia]

I hadnt noticed you had hit the magic number and yes you should check it out.

Many think its some big bashfest but it is simply a too seldom used think tank and your ideas should be included.

c'mon...I'll buy ya a drink.:p

I'll have a pomegranate martini! They say pomegranate is very healthy for us.:laugh::laugh:

[alilnana]

If all the candidates that have been proposed say "thanks but no thanks" for whatever reason just who are we going to vote on?

There are many people here that are not PO's that are very deserving of the position and would be fair and just in their handling of the situations without being biased.

And although I totally don't think the been paid crew is the right choice they are certainly NOT outsiders at this forum or in the GPT arena.

I don't think they would be a great choice compared to the members we have here. The other option I had hoped for originally.....now that we know 2 of the Mods are staying is for them separately or jointly to take on the responsibility which they are definitely more than qualified as well as being fair and balanced if one or both were to decide to take the position. Any of the 4 Mods would have been my first choice from the onset.

[bellestraker]

I'll have a pomegranate martini! They say pomegranate is very healthy for us.:laugh::laugh:


Well c'mon over.

Ooops...I invite cyber for a drink and then wander off and forget to go pay for it.:) but a pomegrante martini... sounds interesting..

I just may decide to take up drinking..:D

[suzyb2wierd]

I don't think they would be a great choice compared to the members we have here. The other option I had hoped for originally.....now that we know 2 of the Mods are staying is for them separately or jointly to take on the responsibility which they are definitely more than qualified as well as being fair and balanced if one or both were to decide to take the position. Any of the 4 Mods would have been my first choice from the onset.

1) Hmmm, I originally nominated Daz and Taff who ARE moderators here.


2) The owner of Been Paid (which for the THIRD time I feel would be a POOR choice to take over the boycotting/watch list process) is an active member here and has been since 2002

3) At least one of the moderators at Been Paid (which for the FOURTH time since nobody seems to read that I agree Been Paid staff would be a POOR choice to take over the boycotting/watch list process) is also an active member here, and has also been a member here since 2002.

Both people mentioned above have been involved in GPT since at least 1999 (10 years) so calling them outsiders to either this site or the GPT world in general is still off-base.

JMO-- maybe just maybe a bit of research before posting comments like that bit about "outsiders" would be helpful??

As a community--which is what this forum prides itself upon--making comments that active long-time GPTB members are 'outsiders' just strikes me as totally unneccessary.

Carry on, children, I've got clicking to do, a house to consider cleaning, dinner to fix, and cats to feed

[alilnana]

1) Hmmm, I originally nominated Daz and Taff who ARE moderators here.


2) The owner of Been Paid (which for the THIRD time I feel would be a POOR choice to take over the boycotting/watch list process) is an active member here and has been since 2002

3) At least one of the moderators at Been Paid (which for the FOURTH time since nobody seems to read that I agree Been Paid staff would be a POOR choice to take over the boycotting/watch list process) is also an active member here, and has also been a member here since 2002.

Both people mentioned above have been involved in GPT since at least 1999 (10 years) so calling them outsiders to either this site or the GPT world in general is still off-base.

JMO-- maybe just maybe a bit of research before posting comments like that bit about "outsiders" would be helpful??

As a community--which is what this forum prides itself upon--making comments that active long-time GPTB members are 'outsiders' just strikes me as totally unneccessary.

Carry on, children, I've got clicking to do, a house to consider cleaning, dinner to fix, and cats to feed

Take it the way you want to I won't argue it is not worth it....you know darn well what I was referring to. Instigate an issue with someone else it won't work on me. I too have much better things to do than to argue an issue that was taken out of context, which is why I did not stay on here much today and won't be on much in the near future.

[hypercoloreyes]

Ok, I have an idea. Why does it have to be just ONE person? Why not a group of people who can work together. We all know that it's a rather daunting task for one person. It's especially more difficult when that person has RL responsibilities that can pull them away from the task at hand. With several people, things can get covered faster.

So after some careful consideration, I'm nominating (as a group) the following people.

Belle
BlueDahlia
Cybertongue
DAZ
HCE
Pietro
Taff

None of these people are program owners and all are quite capable of working together to get the job done.

I appreciate the vote of confidence however, I must join Belle and BD and take myself out of the running as I have just submitted my resignation. I also believe Pietro and Taff have also declined for their various reasons. Guess that leaves Cyber and DAz.

[dealbarbie]

I will miss you HCE :(

[gptcashcow]

You will all be missed. Hugs to you all for your great work! Keep it up wherever you choose to go or wherever life takes ya!

[hypercoloreyes]

I will miss you HCE :(

I'm not going anywhere, I'm just going to take a different role. I still believe in pietro, Taff, and DAzHiredGun and the boycott process. I will be around posting and trying to help out.

You will all be missed. Hugs to you all for your great work! Keep it up wherever you choose to go or wherever life takes ya!

I am worried that I started a rumor here. Taff has stated he will stay on as a moderator but would not take on the role of monitoring the complaints. pietro has also declined to take on the complaint monitoring role. I wanted to clear up any possible misconceptions.

[Seraph]

Edit: YAY!!!! Glad to see you'll be sticking around. :D

[tb171]

Hello

I nominate ME - I would be totally unbiased FACT

Best Regards

Tony

[bellestraker]

Hello

I nominate ME - I would be totally unbiased FACT

Best Regards

Tony


I am not questioning whether you could do the job or not but the problem has been in finding someone who is NOT a PO.

Otherwise it would not be quite so difficult.

As well I am not sure how much you know of this owner...are you sure you would want to do this.

I'd really like to hear you take on it.

Belle

[cybertongue]

Hello

I nominate ME - I would be totally unbiased FACT

Best Regards

Tony

Who the hell are you? :\

[Judy03]

Who the hell are you? :\

Maybe TonyB?

[cybertongue]

Maybe TonyB?

If so, uhhh, no? ;)

[trulyfair]

Hello

I nominate ME - I would be totally unbiased FACT

Best Regards

Tony

Well, well, if it isn't the notorious Tony Bishop co-owner of BournemouthBreeze which is on the Boycott List!! :p

[cubster]

I thought that Tb171 was the person I know as Tonyb over at GPF. He is a moderator there and a PO.

[cybertongue]

May as well give it to him then. He has tons of time on his hands while not handling the spam situation as a mod at GPF nowadays... Uggg...

[Judy03]

May as well give it to him then. He has tons of time on his hands while not handling the spam situation as a mod at GPF nowadays... Uggg...

Bite your tongue..and um..check your PM in just a minute.

[Judy03]

Well, well, if it isn't the notorious Tony Bishop co-owner of BournemouthBreeze which is on the Boycott List!! :p

Beat ya to it. ;) :p

[Judy03]

I thought that Tb171 was the person I know as Tonyb over at GPF. He is a moderator there and a PO.

Great minds think alike. ;) :p

[Judy03]

Ok.. All but two of my nominations have declined.

So, I will alter my nomination to include

Cybertongue
Daz


I still think it needs to be a group and not just ONE person. Can someone please add to the group?

[trulyfair]

I think someone already suggested wagdoll?

[cybertongue]

Ok.. All but two of my nominations have declined.

So, I will alter my nomination to include

Cybertongue
Daz


I still think it needs to be a group and not just ONE person. Can someone please add to the group?

You and whoever else nominated me need to quit barking up that tree. I don't see anyone looking beyond personal feelings on that one. Not that I blame anyone but myself, but it is what it is.

[dealbarbie]

You and whoever else nominated me need to quit barking up that tree. I don't see anyone looking beyond personal feelings on that one. Not that I blame anyone but myself, but it is what it is.

I think you may be surprised. Due to the fact you hold everyone accountable.

[Judy03]

I think someone already suggested wagdoll?

Ok..

Cybertongue (I'm barking up that tree until you either decline or someone give me a darn good reason as to why you shouldn't be included. So there. :p)
Daz
Wagdoll.

What about you being in the group, TrulyFair?

[suzyb2wierd]

Hello

I nominate ME - I would be totally unbiased FACT

Best Regards

Tony

OH YEAH considering at least ONE of your sites is on the Boycott List.

Impartial, my hind leg (only because what I want to say wouldn't pass the word censor!)

What turnip truck do you think we fell off?

[bellestraker]

Ok..

Cybertongue (I'm barking up that tree until you either decline or someone give me a darn good reason as to why you shouldn't be included. So there. :p)
Daz
Wagdoll.

What about you being in the group, TrulyFair?



Agreed...and also agree with what dealbarbie said.

This is my list.
Duh...I said I agreed and then left the name off....


Daz
Wagdoll.
Judy
TrulyFair
cybertongue

With the understanding Pietro and Taz have declined or I would add their names..

[Spare-Dollars]

Daz
TrulyFair

Would have included HCE, Pietro and Taff but they’ve declined :(

[Judy03]

OH YEAH considering at least ONE of your sites is on the Boycott List.

Impartial, my hind leg (only because what I want to say wouldn't pass the word censor!)

What turnip truck do you think we fell off?

:laugh::laugh: You're killing me. ROFL

[suzyb2wierd]

My only point is that it accomplishes nothing at all, but causes hurt feelings and does nothing to promote the site in a manner that is constructive, unless that is part of what is trying to be accomplished, it sure seems like it.

So continue and tear it down so nobody gains by what the site was intended to do to begin with. Take away all of the hard work that has been accomplished.....and meanwhile incite unrest flaming tempers even more.

So do your bidding of whatever you need to do but in the meanwhile continue to work on your site you are planning to replace this one with, (as you told me via PM) but oh gee you are a PO, duh, that would be a conflict of interest! Yes, I too can be inflamed.....I am not above the rest.

Who's tearing it down? We are trying to nominate someone to RUN the boycotting process , because no matter how great you think Tom is, he's a PROGRAM OWNER too.

It is a conflict of interest for a ANY PO to run the boycotting process itself. IMO even a program admin like myself would not be a good choice because of the conflict of interest involved (or even the perception of a conflict of interest)

Those members who are actually nominating people to run the boycotting process shows 2 things: they are trying to be constructive, and they've been around here long enough to know who would do a good job (if only they would accept the nominations)

If those members (including me) didn't care about the site we'd leave already.

And this site and Rob accomplished a hell of a LOT already over the last 8 years, unfortunately you've only been around for 2 months so you don't have the history here that we do (witness your calling members who've been here for 7 years 'outsiders'.)

and it doesn't really matter how long you LURKED around this forum without joining or posting........... you only chose to join after you were bashed by a PO. Now YOU are the one doing the bashing. If it was offensive behavior by the PO in question, what makes it acceptable behavior for YOU?

We just want it to continue growing and improving and changing as change is a fact of life.

We want all of Rob's and GPTB work to not be wasted. The boycott process and who is in charge of it has to be ABOVE REPROACH (no conflict of interest or even perceived conflict of interest) or the results will be tainted.

We want Boycott to continue having the respect and high regard it has already earned and it cannot do that with ANY program owner running the boycott process itself.

[Seraph]

Hello

I nominate ME - I would be totally unbiased FACT

Best Regards

Seraph

http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/644_evil_grin_and_eyebrow_raising.gif

[suzyb2wierd]

Hello

I nominate ME - I would be totally unbiased FACT

Best Regards

Seraph

http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/644_evil_grin_and_eyebrow_raising.gif

copycat! :D:D:D:D but at least you'd be a lot more unbiased than Tony Bishop :p:p:p

[alilnana]

Who's tearing it down? We are trying to nominate someone to RUN the boycotting process , because no matter how great you think Tom is, he's a PROGRAM OWNER too.

It is a conflict of interest for a ANY PO to run the boycotting process itself. IMO even a program admin like myself would not be a good choice because of the conflict of interest involved

Those members who are actually nominating people to run the boycotting process shows 2 things: they are trying to be constructive, and they've been around here long enough to know who would do a good job (if only they would accept the nominations)

If those members (including me) didn't care about the site we'd leave already.

And this site and Rob accomplished a hell of a LOT already over the last 8 years, unfortunately you've only been around for 2 months so you don't have the history here that we do (witness your calling members who've been here for 7 years 'outsiders'.)

We just want it to continue growing and improving and changing.

We want all of Rob's and GPTB work to not be wasted

We want Boycott to continue having the respect and high regard it has already earned and it cannot do that with ANY program owner running the boycott process itself.

Where in the HELL did you ever see me say that Tom should be in that position? This is a bunch of BS you are laying out.....you have no idea how long I was keeping track of what was going on here on this site before signing up in order to ask questions from the one's that don't incite unrest and give honest answers without all of the BS so many lay out there.

Then only to find out the following day I was being bashed by a PO.....and how many of you complained about that issue and had numerous comments yet never stepped up to the plate? Hmmmm go figure! I started off on my second day fighting for what is right and still continue to.....so now I rest my case and will get back to work, some of us have to support ourselves.....have a good one!


In the interim why don't you try reading some of what I have posted recently in the forum and take your facts from that instead of assumptions you are making.

[Esperanza]

Where in the HELL did you ever see me say that Tom should be in that position? This is a bunch of BS you are laying out.....you have no idea how long I was keeping track of what was going on here on this site before signing up in order to ask questions from the one's that don't incite unrest and give honest answers without all of the BS so many lay out there.

Then only to find out the following day I was being bashed by a PO.....and how many of you complained about that issue and had numerous comments yet never stepped up to the plate? Hmmmm go figure! I started off on my second day fighting for what is right and still continue to.....so now I rest my case and will get back to work, some of us have to support ourselves.....have a good one!

Some of us have been fighting for what is right for years already. And have paid our dues for it. Stepping on the plate is nothing new for us. You're not the only one who was ever bashed by a PO and you should count yourself lucky that it only happened to you once. Or twice, if you consider this post as bashing as well.

[cybertongue]

Some of us have been fighting for what is right for years already. And have paid our dues for it. Stepping on the plate is nothing new for us. You're not the only one who was ever bashed by a PO and you should count yourself lucky that it only happened to you once. Or twice, if you consider this post as bashing as well.

Maybe she'll even be around long enough to lose track of how many times she gets jumped in the forums, or even stop caring. :music:

[Esperanza]

Maybe she'll even be around long enough to lose track of how many times she gets jumped in the forums, or even stop caring. :music:

:laugh:

Well at least then she will have something to boast about...

[cybertongue]

:laugh:

Well at least then she will have something to boast about...

I'm not yet convinced that it's worth boasting about, but yeah... lol

[alilnana]

In the first place I do not need to boast about not being filled with hatred. In the second place I do not care to be associated with those that are filled with hatred. In the third place, I am myself, I don't follow clicks and I did not raise my children to be filled with malice or hatred. Read my posts and you will learn about me. I did not know that being involved in this forum you had to be jumped in to gain rights......what this is a gang? Sheeeessssssshhhhhhhh!!!

[Judy03]

Where in the HELL did you ever see me say that Tom should be in that position? This is a bunch of BS you are laying out.....you have no idea how long I was keeping track of what was going on here on this site before signing up in order to ask questions from the one's that don't incite unrest and give honest answers without all of the BS so many lay out there.

Then only to find out the following day I was being bashed by a PO.....and how many of you complained about that issue and had numerous comments yet never stepped up to the plate? Hmmmm go figure! I started off on my second day fighting for what is right and still continue to.....so now I rest my case and will get back to work, some of us have to support ourselves.....have a good one!


In the interim why don't you try reading some of what I have posted recently in the forum and take your facts from that instead of assumptions you are making.


There's one thing you need to remember. As Esperanza stated, you're not the only one who's been bashed by a PO. And you're not the only one who's stepped up to the plate to fight for what is right.

The majority of people in here have been fighting for what is right for many many years. Does that make us any better than you? Of course not. But you're acting as if you're the ONLY one fighting a battle. And that's simply not the case.

Another thing, why do you continue to bring up what happened to you? It happened and it's over. We've all had to take a few knocks from unscrupulous POs at one time or another. But you don't see any of us waving it around like a "feel sorry for me" banner. See, the majority of us realize that speaking out also comes with consequences. We accept those consequences because the alternative is to sit idly by and let bad POs walk all over us.

In reference to the part in bold. You're right. We don't know how long you were reading here before signing up. But apparently it wasn't that long or you'd know that we've all taken our fair share of bashing and that what happened to you is far from unique.

[Judy03]

In the first place I do not need to boast about not being filled with hatred. In the second place I do not care to be associated with those that are filled with hatred. In the third place, I am myself, I don't follow clicks and I did not raise my children to be filled with malice or hatred. Read my posts and you will learn about me. I did not know that being involved in this forum you had to be jumped in to gain rights......what this is a gang? Sheeeessssssshhhhhhhh!!!

Oh good grief. Who said anything about being filled with hatred? Who said anything about cliques? And who said anything about your family?

You keep bring up things that are irrelevant to the point we're trying to make. I'll spell my point out for you. I think you jump into conversations before you totally understand what is being said. For example, when Tom suggested USDollars, you jump in and say how you don't think "outsiders" should be considered. USDollars is far from being an outsider. Yet you chimed in before getting your facts straight.

If you want us to "get to know you", then maybe you should get a better understanding of who people are before you make comments like that.

I have no problem whatsoever with you stating your opinion. But when that opinion seems uninformed, it's hard to take it seriously.

[cybertongue]

In the first place I do not need to boast about not being filled with hatred. In the second place I do not care to be associated with those that are filled with hatred. In the third place, I am myself, I don't follow clicks and I did not raise my children to be filled with malice or hatred. Read my posts and you will learn about me. I did not know that being involved in this forum you had to be jumped in to gain rights......what this is a gang? Sheeeessssssshhhhhhhh!!!

Who's filled with hatred? What do your or anyone's kids have to do with anything?

I'm sorry, but I can't have a conversation with you. You're not making any sense...

[Esperanza]

In the first place I do not need to boast about not being filled with hatred. In the second place I do not care to be associated with those that are filled with hatred. In the third place, I am myself, I don't follow clicks and I did not raise my children to be filled with malice or hatred. Read my posts and you will learn about me. I did not know that being involved in this forum you had to be jumped in to gain rights......what this is a gang? Sheeeessssssshhhhhhhh!!!

Oh stop the self pity already will you? You really like to dish it out but when you get something in return you're full of BS about hatred, malice, ganging up... And what the heck do supporting yourself and raising your children properly have to do with anything? You don't seriously think that you're the only one doing that, do you?

[roadrunner]

I have read this entire thread. I've been a member here for a very long time, but mostly as a lurker, not a contributor. However, as many of you are aware, I am active in other forums.

As far as the nominations go, it would make sense to me that the experienced people continue their jobs if they so desire.

The problem as I see it, is that whomever takes the helm, so to speak, will have to be a strongly respected, unbiased, calm person.

Deserved or not, the management of this forum will be frequently, if not constantly, compared to the management of GPF. That tends to happen when a person owns both. Anyone running this forum will, at this point, have to be able to overcome that comparison.

I'm not sure there is anyone available who won't be biased in some manner.

PO's
PTR/PTC members
Dietzel Group members and staff
PTR members who have been bashed by PO's
PO's who have been bashed by members.
PTR members who have been trashed by Dietzels
And a very large number of persons treated unfairly by Tom/FCP at GPF.

There can be no discussions if people are not allowed to state their opinion - pro or con - on any PTR related subject.

If any subjects are forbidden - references to other forums, certain Paid to programs, certain PO's, etc. - then the forum will lose all credibility.

The best, most unbiased and most objective mods in the world cannot perform well if their hands are tied. People tend to forget that the mods are just that - mods.

No owner of any business, including a forum, will let the mods run it their way. Mods are under the direction of the owner. Always. If the owner is not visible, there are still rules in place that must be followed. Mods must account to owners. Admins must account to owners.

If people are not going to be free to speak their minds, then it doesn't really matter who the moderators are.

I'm so sorry that all the hard work and effort that has gone into this forum is in danger of being lost. I do understand that feeling.

[Seraph]

copycat! :D:D:D:D but at least you'd be a lot more unbiased than Tony Bishop :p:p:p

LOL. Yeah, I was totally going only for laughs there.

[wagdoll]

Thanks to the people who mentioned my name, but I also have to decline. It looks like that might be a moot point though with Tom's new post if I'm understanding it correctly?

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22206

[Esperanza]

The idea is to make the site 100% community driven, where the users based on voting, number of votes, etc, can dismiss a complaint, or make a complaint valid.

In other words, wide open for manipulation. Good grief...

[Merlin2307]

In other words its site owners and $$ for votes intimidation to get off the list,stay off the list,invalidate a legal complaint wins the war. The kingdom has been overrun by greedy zealots and barbarians,tis time to form an army of honorable people with wisdom and dignity,justice and loyalty above all else....rewards few.......Merlin:alien:

[cybertongue]

In other words, wide open for manipulation. Good grief...

What? You don't enjoy cheerleaders messing everything up for everyone? Dang, get with the program already! :baaa:

[alilnana]

There's one thing you need to remember. As Esperanza stated, you're not the only one who's been bashed by a PO. And you're not the only one who's stepped up to the plate to fight for what is right.

The majority of people in here have been fighting for what is right for many many years. Does that make us any better than you? Of course not. But you're acting as if you're the ONLY one fighting a battle. And that's simply not the case.

Another thing, why do you continue to bring up what happened to you? It happened and it's over. We've all had to take a few knocks from unscrupulous POs at one time or another. But you don't see any of us waving it around like a "feel sorry for me" banner. See, the majority of us realize that speaking out also comes with consequences. We accept those consequences because the alternative is to sit idly by and let bad POs walk all over us.

In reference to the part in bold. You're right. We don't know how long you were reading here before signing up. But apparently it wasn't that long or you'd know that we've all taken our fair share of bashing and that what happened to you is far from unique.

I do realize many fight day after day to make things better.

You are so right, that happened and it is over....I just wonder where everyone was that was so outspoken, yet they state that they do fight for what is right. It seems odd to me, and yet it seems to happen all of the time. No wonder more complaints are not filed and dealt with on a regular basis because surely they are out there but people seem to think it won't do any good to file them.

I surely do NOT have a feel sorry for me banner, in fact I am proud of who and what I am and I have taken care of my own problem on my own, there might not be a formal Watch or Boycott but it is out there on the internet to expose what occurred. By the way, my kids are all grown and married with their own children.....I support myself so excuse me if I do not stay to argue which is silly to do to begin with.

Everyone has their own opinion, and deservedly so, but to take my words out of context and make them something they are not meant to be, well that bothers me. It only takes a moment to make things right compared to hours upon hours to let things go downhill. I was hoping to come in here and see that voting had started today and now look at where things stand, that is not likely to happen from what I read awhile ago.

[Judy03]

I do realize many fight day after day to make things better.

You are so right, that happened and it is over....I just wonder where everyone was that was so outspoken, yet they state that they do fight for what is right. It seems odd to me, and yet it seems to happen all of the time. No wonder more complaints are not filed and dealt with on a regular basis because surely they are out there but people seem to think it won't do any good to file them.

I surely do NOT have a feel sorry for me banner, in fact I am proud of who and what I am and I have taken care of my own problem on my own, there might not be a formal Watch or Boycott but it is out there on the internet to expose what occurred. By the way, my kids are all grown and married with their own children.....I support myself so excuse me if I do not stay to argue which is silly to do to begin with.

Everyone has their own opinion, and deservedly so, but to take my words out of context and make them something they are not meant to be, well that bothers me. It only takes a moment to make things right compared to hours upon hours to let things go downhill. I was hoping to come in here and see that voting had started today and now look at where things stand, that is not likely to happen from what I read awhile ago.

In reference to the part in bold. I recall a whole bunch of people ripping that guy a new one because of what he did and was doing. Hell, I even submitted a complaint because of his actions and attitude. So don't sit there and say that no one was fighting. That isn't true at all. Maybe we didn't form a protective circle around you, but we were there and trying to get through to him.

A lot of people were fighting for the guy to do the right thing. And didn't Christina pay you what that guy owed you? For you to sit there now and wonder where everyone was is a slap in the face to all of us.

[cybertongue]

In reference to the part in bold. I recall a whole bunch of people ripping that guy a new one because of what he did and was doing. Hell, I even submitted a complaint because of his actions and attitude. So don't sit there and say that no one was fighting. That isn't true at all. Maybe we didn't form a protective circle around you, but we were there and trying to get through to him.

A lot of people were fighting for the guy to do the right thing. And didn't Christina pay you what that guy owed you? For you to sit there now and wonder where everyone was is a slap in the face to all of us.

To expand on this, I really don't feel like a certain group of people should be expected to speak up on behalf of others. That's really something that's been irritating me lately, is the expectation that if you're vocal, you must be vocal about EVERYthing.

I feel like a broken record on this, but people need to start sticking up for themselves and not expect others to get their back. Just think if every member stood up to scammy program owners. Do you think those POs would continue doing what they were doing if they knew they'd never get away with it? They do it because they're not held accountable, and that is no one's fault but those who allow it to happen.

Personally, I tend to tackle overall, generalized issues rather than really specific ones. That's not to say that I won't post in a thread about a specific site or PO, but what's usually going through my mind is the bigger picture and matters of principle. I guess the reason behind that is that I feel like messing with the smaller issues is like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound. The need for dealing with smaller issues would be greatly reduced if people would focus on the big stuff that causes those small issues to be possible to begin with.

Sorry about the odd tangent there, but seriously... It isn't up to any individual to pick up the pieces for everyone else. If more people stood up for themselves and stopped worrying about what everyone else was doing, maybe none of this would be an issue anymore...

[alilnana]

In reference to the part in bold. I recall a whole bunch of people ripping that guy a new one because of what he did and was doing. Hell, I even submitted a complaint because of his actions and attitude. So don't sit there and say that no one was fighting. That isn't true at all. Maybe we didn't form a protective circle around you, but we were there and trying to get through to him.

A lot of people were fighting for the guy to do the right thing. And didn't Christina pay you what that guy owed you? For you to sit there now and wonder where everyone was is a slap in the face to all of us.

Oh my God Judy.....that was NOT meant to be a slap in the face! I was told only 2 people filed a complaint, that means one other besides myself had filed. Yes DB did pay me and to my knowledge he dropped everything then and there as he stated he was doing since she informed him that she had paid me. But what difference does that make - he did not pay me, and mark my words he will do it to others as well.

I just read Cybers statement......so what constitutes filing a complaint if everyone sits and does nothing about it? That is my whole point. But so be it, I will continue to file them when I feel it is necessary to.

A few nights ago after a long absence he was in the forum but did not post. And no in case you thought I was in the forum, I was not I have been away from the computer I actually was shutting it down when I saw the email from what you posted to respond to my last one.....which I am shutting it down now since I have to go into the Hospital tomorrow morning for some tests to be ran. Have a good one.

[Rod]

I'm pretty sure *I* filed a complaint as well (but under my old account, jeesh-louise). I also know I argued with him in that thread as well, like someone else said, along with quite a few others.

I believe I even used the word knuckle head in it (whether or not that got edited, I have no idea).

[cybertongue]

I just read Cybers statement......so what constitutes filing a complaint if everyone sits and does nothing about it? That is my whole point. But so be it, I will continue to file them when I feel it is necessary to.



I don't understand what you're getting at with this... Are you saying that if one person files a complaint against a site, that everyone should?

[roadrunner]

What happened to those thank you things?

[RBNLOVESPOH]

Guess people were thanking those that made the new owner look bad:baaa:

[Rod]

Actually, in another thread, members were saying the "thanks" (and the original "no thanks") were bad, along with the TAGS at the bottom so, Tom removed them.

In this instance, we can't ask Tom to do something and THEN complain when he does it.

I personally liked the thanks button (Rob removed the "no thanks" option before I checked them out) and the tags at the bottom, well, they were used more for either sucking up or vendettas to bash (I personally used the "bash" mode a couple time <whistles>)

But, since several complained about the thanks button, Tom complied and I'll live with that decision and not complain to Tom about it (or blame him or derive some sort of conspiracy theory).

For the record, the debate on the thanks feature is started here (post #3)
http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22206

Edited to add: the "thanks" feature has been removed but the tags are still functional

[Esperanza]

I just read Cybers statement......so what constitutes filing a complaint if everyone sits and does nothing about it? That is my whole point. But so be it, I will continue to file them when I feel it is necessary to.


In general, and this is just my opinion, complaints should be filed by members of the program it concerns. There have only been a few occasions where I considered a situation so serious that I filed a complaint against a program I was not a member of.

Like Cyber, I usually look at the bigger picture and I fully agree with her that members should stand up for themselves more. As one of the mods (Daz I think) mentioned elsewhere, many people will post about their issues but never bother to follow up with filing a complaint. If they can't be bothered to do it while it concerns them directly, then why should I as a bystander do it for them?

[wagdoll]

Actually, in another thread, members were saying the "thanks" (and the original "no thanks") were bad, along with the TAGS at the bottom so, Tom removed them.

In this instance, we can't ask Tom to do something and THEN complain when he does it.

I personally liked the thanks button (Rob removed the "no thanks" option before I checked them out) and the tags at the bottom, well, they were used more for either sucking up or vendettas to bash (I personally used the "bash" mode a couple time <whistles>)

But, since several complained about the thanks button, Tom complied and I'll live with that decision and not complain to Tom about it (or blame him or derive some sort of conspiracy theory).

For the record, the debate on the thanks feature is started here (post #3)
http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22206

Edited to add: the "thanks" feature has been removed but the tags are still functional

I liked the thanks button despite not liking the way it was sometimes used. Imo the benefits of that button outweighed the cons, but on the No Thanks button I felt the other way round.

We saw the Thanks in action longer than the No Thanks. If there's demand to see what the No Thanks is like, why not trial it for a month alongside Thanks to see what the demand and usage are like and then as long as there are no major problems with either, try a vote to see what the majority of the users think on each button?

[alilnana]

In general, and this is just my opinion, complaints should be filed by members of the program it concerns. There have only been a few occasions where I considered a situation so serious that I filed a complaint against a program I was not a member of.

Like Cyber, I usually look at the bigger picture and I fully agree with her that members should stand up for themselves more. As one of the mods (Daz I think) mentioned elsewhere, many people will post about their issues but never bother to follow up with filing a complaint. If they can't be bothered to do it while it concerns them directly, then why should I as a bystander do it for them?

Ok, I see your point, this was a virtually new site and (Me) a fairly new participant at the time so that leaves it within my hands to deal with, which has been done.

Although I have noticed someone that has been causing him grief on different forums, what comes around goes around. And no sadly it is not me, because I would gladly state so if it were true, but this guy is more shall we say aggressive and I have to laugh about it.

[pietro]

As I posted on another topic:

I was going to wait until tomorrow to announce this but I guess I can do it now as easily. Daz, Taff and I have agreed to jointly manage the forum. That way nothing is going to change and no one of us will be over burdened by the day to day things. Basically, we've been given the authority to work as admins and will continue to moderate (or not as some may think) as we always have. I honestly think the three of us balance each other out quite well and I hope the rest of you will know that Tom has given his word not to be involved in the way the forum is run - except to make the changes no one else can make. I really hope most of you know that none of the three of us will allow the kind of thing that is happening on the GPF to happen here, this forum means to much to each of us.

[bluedahlia]

Thank you Pietro. Glad to hear this. This forum means a lot to me too.

[bellestraker]

IMO....That is good news for GPTB and good news for the members....:D.

I am glad you all agreed...I know it will require a lot of time and work but hopefully by sharing between you three it will be manageable.

Doing a happy dance....:D

Belle

[Spare-Dollars]

That's great news! Thank you Pietro, Daz and Taff!!!! :)

[Jeanene]

As I posted on another topic:

I was going to wait until tomorrow to announce this but I guess I can do it now as easily. Daz, Taff and I have agreed to jointly manage the forum. That way nothing is going to change and no one of us will be over burdened by the day to day things. Basically, we've been given the authority to work as admins and will continue to moderate (or not as some may think) as we always have. I honestly think the three of us balance each other out quite well and I hope the rest of you will know that Tom has given his word not to be involved in the way the forum is run - except to make the changes no one else can make. I really hope most of you know that none of the three of us will allow the kind of thing that is happening on the GPF to happen here, this forum means to much to each of us.


Good news Thanks

[alilnana]

As I posted on another topic:

I was going to wait until tomorrow to announce this but I guess I can do it now as easily. Daz, Taff and I have agreed to jointly manage the forum. That way nothing is going to change and no one of us will be over burdened by the day to day things. Basically, we've been given the authority to work as admins and will continue to moderate (or not as some may think) as we always have. I honestly think the three of us balance each other out quite well and I hope the rest of you will know that Tom has given his word not to be involved in the way the forum is run - except to make the changes no one else can make. I really hope most of you know that none of the three of us will allow the kind of thing that is happening on the GPF to happen here, this forum means to much to each of us.

That is indeed wonderful news Pietro, thank you all! I promise not to give you too much grief, as I do not plan to be online very much in the near future. ;)

[Merlin2307]

Pietro, I am glad to hear the news and to see that you 3 have formed the alliance to walk the road that is shall we say "less traveled". I am here if you need any help. Alilnana,you give no grief,women only ask questions,too many some times,but they ask questions none the less. :alien:

[alilnana]

Pietro, I am glad to hear the news and to see that you 3 have formed the alliance to walk the road that is shall we say "less traveled". I am here if you need any help. Alilnana,you give no grief,women only ask questions,too many some times,but they ask questions none the less. :alien:

Thank you Merlin! :hehe:

[kglaser]

I really appreciate the three of you stepping up to take over. It's an important responsibility, and I know you all realize that. If I tried to do it, this place would probably be in a shambles within 1 day...LOL :alien:

[investkid]

As I posted on another topic:

I was going to wait until tomorrow to announce this but I guess I can do it now as easily. Daz, Taff and I have agreed to jointly manage the forum. That way nothing is going to change and no one of us will be over burdened by the day to day things. Basically, we've been given the authority to work as admins and will continue to moderate (or not as some may think) as we always have. I honestly think the three of us balance each other out quite well and I hope the rest of you will know that Tom has given his word not to be involved in the way the forum is run - except to make the changes no one else can make. I really hope most of you know that none of the three of us will allow the kind of thing that is happening on the GPF to happen here, this forum means to much to each of us.

Best news I heard in a long time! Thanks so much to the three of you. This forum means a lot to me too.