RosebudOffers/Scamantha?

[GDHRTDWMN]

I found this new site. So new it only has 12 members so far. Did some checking and found that this site is owned by clickpromotion. That name was familiar so I did a search on here and this thread came up which shows that clickpromotion is owned by none other than Betsy Coxwell who if you check this thread you will see that she is also known as Samantha Shepherd aka Scamantha. http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18827&highlight=betsy+coxwell&page=4

I checked whois.net to find the owner as now I learned to check who owns a site before I sign up. :( http://whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=rosebudoffers&tld=com

From that page I went to this page which is where I got the Betsy Coxwell name. http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=rosebudoffers.com&prog_id=godaddy

[ill_favors]

Wow, okay. Well Sunshine Clicks was recently sold, and this is a message I received from Sunshine Clicks

From Admin
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Message
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http://rosebudoffers.com

So now this makes me wonder, does she now own Sunshine Clicks too?

[GDHRTDWMN]

Hmmmmm that is interesting. Sunshine clicks according to whois.net is owned by Kim Ballard. Unless she is going by that name too.

http://whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=sunshineclicks&tld=com

Whenever you want to know who owns a site just go to whois.net and put the name of the site in and it will direct you to the owner unless they are hiding behind a proxy.

[charmed-cents]

hmmmmmmm

First of all... Betsy and Scamantha are not the same person.

2 peas in a pod, yes... same person.. nope.

Sunshine was owned by Rhonda Shaw... who let Kim (who was admin) take over (buy.. whatever.. that wasn't made clear) so she could concentrate soley on ruready4money.info as her only shiftcode site.

I don't know who the we are in Kim's admin about having a new site... but if she has anything to do with Betsy... then I suspect Sunshine won't be around too much longer.

I'm also not catching the connection to Samantha, but I guess it's possible.

[jpomeranz]

This is important information and much appreciated. Does anyone have a link to scamantha though? I did notice that Tiki Treasure was recently sold and is now being re-opened & run by the same owner as rosebud offers. Appreciate any insight in advance...

[GDHRTDWMN]

This is important information and much appreciated. Does anyone have a link to scamantha though? I did notice that Tiki Treasure was recently sold and is now being re-opened & run by the same owner as rosebud offers. Appreciate any insight in advance...

Scamantha is not a site. It is a nickname given to samantha shepherd/aka sam shepherd/aka several other names depending on which one she is in the mood for at the time. Click on the first link I posted and read the entire thread and it will explain a lot about scamantha. She was given that name for scamming so many people. My understanding thanks to charmed-cents clarification (thank you charmed :)) is that betsy and scamantha are not the same person however they are, as charmed put it, two peas in the same pod. I would not join any site knowing that it is run by either one of them myself. :( My opinion. :p

[fwbbetsy]

Hey,
This is Betsy and I am not a scammer of any kind!! Yes I do sell websites to people I design them its just what I enjoy doing.

I had sold samantha some sites and didn't realize she was scamming people but once i did find out I did everything in my power to get rid of her including taking back the sites so she could not continue to rip people off.

I have been scammed by her also and do not know what to do! She is using my name on domain ownerships and I hear she has done this before.

I am pleading with you that i am an honest person and would like you to give me a chance to prove that I am.

Lets figure this out!!

Thanks

Betsy

[Jennifer72]

I would suggest callling the authorities if you have proof she is using your identity.

Just might be the thing that FINALLY puts an end to her scamming.

Identity Theft

[fwbbetsy]

I only have the proof it wasn't my ip who signup the domain and hosting but I don't have proof it was her ip yet.

Betsy

[Seraph]

She had to pay for it somehow - they can track THAT.

[GDHRTDWMN]

Hey,
This is Betsy and I am not a scammer of any kind!! Yes I do sell websites to people I design them its just what I enjoy doing.

I had sold samantha some sites and didn't realize she was scamming people but once i did find out I did everything in my power to get rid of her including taking back the sites so she could not continue to rip people off.

I have been scammed by her also and do not know what to do! She is using my name on domain ownerships and I hear she has done this before.

I am pleading with you that i am an honest person and would like you to give me a chance to prove that I am.

Lets figure this out!!

Thanks

Betsy


Thank you for coming forward. I appreciate your stepping up and filling in the facts. Sorry that she has done this to you. I do hope you can find a way to get her for what she has done to you. I honestly had no idea that she was using your name and that she had taken advantage of you too until I had read the dolphindollars thread. It was a bit confusing to me. I hope you understand why people thought you and her were the same person. The reason I started this thread was to find out if what I was told was true. I am glad that you and scamantha are not the same person. The last thing the industry needs is another scammer like her. I hope you can understand that. Have you tried filing an IC3 report and let the authorities go after her? You can do that using this link. https://complaint.ic3.gov/ctf.aspx . I hope this helps you in some way. Sorry that this thread implied that you were scamantha. That was not my intention at all. It was only my intention to get straight answers. :\

[GDHRTDWMN]

I only have the proof it wasn't my ip who signup the domain and hosting but I don't have proof it was her ip yet.

Betsy

Filing the IC3 report will put it in the hands of the authorities on a level who have the ability to track the ips that she used.

She had to pay for it somehow - they can track THAT.

That is a good idea too Seraph. :)

These are a couple of places that you can start with that should help you get the ball rolling on stopping her. I do hope you follow through and file on her so she can be stopped. I was one of the lucky ones who was able to avoid her scams thanks to reading the warnings on the various sites she was running that were posted on this forum. From what I have read about her she sounds like one very nasty scammer/frauder. Now adding the thought of identity theft to her actions is very disturbing too. :(

[fwbbetsy]

Thanks for listening to me I am going to try to get that filled out today seems they want paper documents so not sure how im going to get those! But I agree lets put an end to her if its possible.

Betsy

[GDHRTDWMN]

Thanks for listening to me I am going to try to get that filled out today seems they want paper documents so not sure how im going to get those! But I agree lets put an end to her if its possible.

Betsy

You can take screenshots of all your info and then print those out for your paper docs. Also I suggest searching this forum and any other public forums out there for any posts relating to the connection between the two of you and anything that she may have done with the sites that you sold her. Document everything you find no matter how irrelevant it seems. You never know what will be needed if it ends up in court. The more documentation you can find the better for you. You may want to try googling her various names that she has been using and research what you find for more info on what she has done. Also not sure how you set your email, IMs and such but any communications that you have had with her in the past you can use those for documentations also if you have had those set to save all conversations. It goes without saying to also check your contractual agreements with her for the work you did for her along with all docs on payments made too just in case you need them. You may not need those unless she owes you monies but it never hurts to cover your own backside just in case. With people who would go so far as to steal your identity I would not put anything past them. The problem with scammers is they think they can get by with anything. That is their downfall. They get so confident that they slip up and get caught. The nice thing about the IC3 is you can file online and you can also go back and update the report with more info as you find it. You may also wish to research the laws for where she is located. I hope my opinions here help you. Keep the faith and remember 'Good always wins out over evil'. :)

[12horsemom]

Hi

This is Kim Ballard. Yes, I own Sunshine clicks and many other sites. I also now own Rosebudoffers and Tikitreasure because Betsy was so upset by all of this mess that she turned them over to me for the sake of the sites. We were partners with the two sites. I own Sunshine by myself plus 2 more that I just bought from Rhonda. Yes, Betsy and I are friends. She has done many ptc sites for me. Awhile back she told me about Scamantha and what happened. I believe her and trust in her. I too believe that Good wins over Evil.

[charmed-cents]

Hey,
This is Betsy and I am not a scammer of any kind!! Yes I do sell websites to people I design them its just what I enjoy doing.


I am pleading with you that i am an honest person and would like you to give me a chance to prove that I am.


Sorry for the snip... but I just wanted these 2 phrases.

I may not be able to prove that you're scammer.. but I can prove that you're a thief.

You blantantly use copyrighted images and trademarked names in your designs/site sales.. regularly.

Some examples...

www.thecraftptc.info
www.dirtydancingptc.info
www.lawandorderptc.info
www.charmedonesptc.info
www.7thheavenptc.info
www.partyof5ptc.info
www.armywifesptc.info
www.selenaptc.info
www.pinkptc.info

Some of them have had their designs changed.. but the trademarked names are still there.

You've jumped from host to host.. screwing over everyone you can.. when you can.

You are not sincere in any way.. and IMHO.. you reap what you sow.


How ironic that someone is using your name and you're going to try to be all high and mighty about it.. claiming to be a victim.. but you don't have a care in the world about using someone else's trademarked stuff. GO FIGURE!

[charmed-cents]

Keep the faith and remember 'Good always wins out over evil'. :)

I hope you're right!

In this situation though, the good is not as it appears to be and in some small way.. I think that good is winning over evil. :D

The sooner Betsy Coxwell is out of this industry.. the better!



Hi

This is Kim Ballard. Yes, I own Sunshine clicks and many other sites. I also now own Rosebudoffers and Tikitreasure because Betsy was so upset by all of this mess that she turned them over to me for the sake of the sites. We were partners with the two sites. I own Sunshine by myself plus 2 more that I just bought from Rhonda. Yes, Betsy and I are friends. She has done many ptc sites for me. Awhile back she told me about Scamantha and what happened. I believe her and trust in her. I too believe that Good wins over Evil.


To Kim...

I don't know how long you've known Betsy or if you did ANY research before partnering up with her.. but if you've got any more sites that you're partners with her on.. I'd get them and get away.. FAST!!

If you do decide to continue believing her and trusting her.. all I've got to say is.. Good Luck! You're gonna need it!!

[GDHRTDWMN]

I hope you're right!

In this situation though, the good is not as it appears to be and in some small way.. I think that good is winning over evil. :D

The sooner Betsy Coxwell is out of this industry.. the better!


Charmed, I am not taking any sides here. Was just giving advice on what her options are. As for who is who I have no way of checking out anyones identity here. If this is a case of stolen identity then it needs to be proven. Stolen identity is a tough one to prove and it will take her some time to do that unfortunately. fwbbetsy has asked for help in getting this issue cleared up. I have given her some options on how to do that. It is a start anyways. Let's give her a chance to prove whether or not she is a victim. I am not sure how she can do that but I am open to options. I do believe tho that 'Good does always win out over Evil in the end' and somehow the truth will come out. My opinion.:)

[Seraph]

Sorry for the snip... but I just wanted these 2 phrases.

I may not be able to prove that you're scammer.. but I can prove that you're a thief.

You blantantly use copyrighted images and trademarked names in your designs/site sales.. regularly.

Some examples...

www.thecraftptc.info
www.dirtydancingptc.info
www.lawandorderptc.info
www.charmedonesptc.info
www.7thheavenptc.info
www.partyof5ptc.info
www.armywifesptc.info
www.selenaptc.info
www.pinkptc.info

Some of them have had their designs changed.. but the trademarked names are still there.

You've jumped from host to host.. screwing over everyone you can.. when you can.

You are not sincere in any way.. and IMHO.. you reap what you sow.


How ironic that someone is using your name and you're going to try to be all high and mighty about it.. claiming to be a victim.. but you don't have a care in the world about using someone else's trademarked stuff. GO FIGURE!

This is actually very true. Every designer knows that there is fair use, and there is copyright infringement. This....this is infringement.

I mean, people can be sued for using simple images off Google search if they don't get permission. O_o

[charmed-cents]

Charmed, I am not taking any sides here. Was just giving advice on what her options are. As for who is who I have no way of checking out anyones identity here. If this is a case of stolen identity then it needs to be proven. Stolen identity is a tough one to prove and it will take her some time to do that unfortunately. fwbbetsy has asked for help in getting this issue cleared up. I have given her some options on how to do that. It is a start anyways. Let's give her a chance to prove whether or not she is a victim. I am not sure how she can do that but I am open to options. I do believe tho that 'Good does always win out over Evil in the end' and somehow the truth will come out. My opinion.:)

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion and more so to believe what you want to believe.

I'm not even trying to say that Samantha didn't steal her identity.. but if so, how can she complain when she so blantantly steals from others any chance she can?

Why is it okay for her.. and not for Samantha?

You can't play the victim and be a victimizer at the same time... it's tacky, rude and totally unfair to good hearted people who try to see the best in others.

I only listed a handful of sites that she used copyrighted/trademarked images on.. there's MANY MANY more out there. She's a thief and a burden on this industry in many ways.

I don't feel sorry for her... karma's a boomerang!!

Just because someone comes in here acting all wholesome and pure.. doesn't make them that. Ask her about all the sites she's sold that were lost because she screwed over hosts. Ask her about all the hosts that she's lied to, cheated, stolen from.

How many chances does one really deserve? She does the same thing over and over again without a care for anyone she's messing with.


Like I said.. the sooner Betsy Coxwell is out of the industry.. the better.

[GDHRTDWMN]

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion and more so to believe what you want to believe.

I'm not even trying to say that Samantha didn't steal her identity.. but if so, how can she complain when she so blantantly steals from others any chance she can?

Why is it okay for her.. and not for Samantha?

You can't play the victim and be a victimizer at the same time... it's tacky, rude and totally unfair to good hearted people who try to see the best in others.

I only listed a handful of sites that she used copyrighted/trademarked images on.. there's MANY MANY more out there. She's a thief and a burden on this industry in many ways.

I don't feel sorry for her... karma's a boomerang!!

Just because someone comes in here acting all wholesome and pure.. doesn't make them that. Ask her about all the sites she's sold that were lost because she screwed over hosts. Ask her about all the hosts that she's lied to, cheated, stolen from.

How many chances does one really deserve? She does the same thing over and over again without a care for anyone she's messing with.


Like I said.. the sooner Betsy Coxwell is out of the industry.. the better.

I totally respect your opinion and I understand where you are coming from. That is why it is a good idea for her to show 'proof' of her identity being stolen. I gave her options. It is up to her to follow through with the actions.
And you are right about a person cannot be both the victim and the victimizer hence the question mark in the title of this thread. I would like to know for sure who is who in this situation as I sure do not want to join any site owned by scamantha or any other frauder regardless of what name they are using. I just got through going through an ordeal with a horrible PO from another site who knew nothing about how to manage the finances so the members would get paid. Luckily an angel came along and took over that site. Now I thoroughly check out the owners of the site and not just the site. A site is only as good as the person who manages it.
As for the links I just got through looking at the links you posted. Just a note the charmedonesptc is now parked on godaddy.

So let me put it this way to fwbbetsy, IF you are being straight up then you need to know you have your work cut out for you. People have been scammed and that much is clear. It is time now to set the record straight with these people who have been scammed and find a way to show some kind of proof that you are a victim. IF you are the one that is the scammer then you also need to know that eventually it will catch up with you and restitution will need to be made to those who were taken advantage of. Again 'Good always wins out over Evil and the truth always comes out in the end'. My opinion here. :\

[charmed-cents]

As for the links I just got through looking at the links you posted. Just a note the charmedonesptc is now parked on godaddy.



Yes it is.. but it had pictures from the TV show Charmed on it when it was live.

TheCraftPTC use to have pictures from the movie The Craft.

7thHeaven use to have pictures from the TV show 7th Heaven.

All the rest that I posted.. I do believe are the same as they were when she launched them.

Most of them, that I listed, were taken from her by John Parks, her host at the time and then resold... much the same way as she did to Samantha.

[12horsemom]

Kim here again,

Ok, I haven't known Betsy very long, maybe a month or so. All I want, for me, is a good reputation in this industry. I also want people to enjoy my sites and to be successful. When I got into this industry, I never realized that there is a dark side too. I should have realized that everything does. Now, I'm so confused. I don't know who to trust or who to get good solid advice from. I no longer have business ties to Betsy. She turned the 2 sites over to me and I changed the admin logins. I don't know what to think. I'm really just blown away by this. Any good advice.

[charmed-cents]

Kim here again,

Ok, I haven't known Betsy very long, maybe a month or so. All I want, for me, is a good reputation in this industry. I also want people to enjoy my sites and to be successful. When I got into this industry, I never realized that there is a dark side too. I should have realized that everything does. Now, I'm so confused. I don't know who to trust or who to get good solid advice from. I no longer have business ties to Betsy. She turned the 2 sites over to me and I changed the admin logins. I don't know what to think. I'm really just blown away by this. Any good advice.

My advice to you would be to not just take my word for it. Talk to people, read up on it.. she's been around for awhile.

A simple search at a couple forums turns up the copyright/trademark infringement issue, breaking Paypal's AUP by forcing people to upgrade in order to get paid, flipping sites faster than you can blink... etc.

Her old hosts.. Jeffrey Johnson, John Parks, Mike Pratt.. etc.. they could probably tell you a few things.


A very wise man in this industry constantly reminds me of these 3 rules...

Rule 1:
Trust No One!
Rule 2:
What should I do?
Whose life, site, business is it?
Your way!
Rule 3:
Never invest more than you're willing to lose!

I think Rule 1 is essential in this business and shouldn't be broken on a whim.

I'm glad your sites are safe with you. Hopefully your hosting is safe as well.

Good luck to you!

[12horsemom]

I have a my own dedicated server with Host Gator. Should I be safe with that? She had installed some sites for me. So, after reading all of this, I changed my whm and cpanel passwords.

Kim

[charmed-cents]

Some threads of interest...

One from over a year ago...

http://getpaidforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=500129&hl=Betsy+Coxwell

Ohhh.. I had forgotten about this one.. it's something I posted...

http://getpaidforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=499945&hl=Betsy+Coxwell

The Shroomclicks fiasco...

http://getpaidforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=507139&hl=Betsy+Coxwell


http://www.who-is-who-in-gpt.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8293


hmmmmm.. this is very interesting!!!

Looks like Kim has/had some sites with trademarked names as well...

http://getpaidforum.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=532305&view=findpost&p=5034169

What happened to all those parked sites? Did you pay the members before they disappeared?

Was that you quoted in the admin mails? Cause if so.. you've got a bad attitude when it comes to member support.

[charmed-cents]

I have a my own dedicated server with Host Gator. Should I be safe with that? She had installed some sites for me. So, after reading all of this, I changed my whm and cpanel passwords.

Kim

As long as she has nothing to do with it.. you're probably safe. I don't know much about HostGator though.

Her history with hosts is undeniably awful, I'd be concerned if I was on any kind of resellers account with her, under her, for her.. etc.

[12horsemom]

No, that was not me. That happened before I bought Cricketgpt. I've made payouts on all the sites I have. I do have some of those domains and then some. She really messed me up. I asked her to fix scripts and update some sites. I tried deleting inactive members and the site was messed up. So, I deleted a lot of my sites. I had no idea about her reputation before I started buying sites. My first experience with buying sites was with mackjay1977, on sitesbid. I recently found out that she was the one doing sites for him. How do I know if I have a site that is trademarked, I will delete it immediately. I feel so deflated. How can I keep from getting drug down with her? I don't want to be associated with or to be known or thought of as a scammer.

Kim

[12horsemom]

Is it too late for me already?

[charmed-cents]

No, that was not me. That happened before I bought Cricketgpt. I've made payouts on all the sites I have. I do have some of those domains and then some. She really messed me up. I asked her to fix scripts and update some sites. I tried deleting inactive members and the site was messed up. So, I deleted a lot of my sites. I had no idea about her reputation before I started buying sites. My first experience with buying sites was with mackjay1977, on sitesbid. I recently found out that she was the one doing sites for him. How do I know if I have a site that is trademarked, I will delete it immediately. I feel so deflated. How can I keep from getting drug down with her? I don't want to be associated with or to be known or thought of as a scammer.

Kim

That wasn't you? You bought CricketGPT on December 8th?

If you give me a list of all your sites.. I'll tell you which ones are bad.

Looking at the posted list at GPF.. Spongebob and DesperateHousewives are the obvious 2.


As for it being too late for you or not.. it all depends on what you do in the future.

Honestly, I had never heard of you before you took over Sunrise. To see that list of sites you had.. is news to me.

[12horsemom]

The spongebob and desperatehousewives sites are dead, I have already deleted them.

Here are the sites I own now:
sugarsclicks.info
starclicks.info
wildhorsesptc.info
daisyclicks.info
pigclicks.info
fruitclicks.info
thelionsden.info
cricketgpt.com
theclickmonster.info
bestsunshineclicks.info
mycashhoney.info
cash-in-a-flash.info
tikitreasureptc.info
rosebudptc.info
mississippibelleptc.info
alligatorclicks.info
easyearner.info
rundownbux.net
quickcashptc.com
Kim

[12horsemom]

QUOTE=charmed-cents;102026That wasn't you? You bought CricketGPT on December 8th? Yes, but it was a transaction that happened right before I bought it. Betsy told me that she had to pay them because they filed a dispute. She told me that she went ahead and paid because she had too many disputes and she didn't want her Paypal acct closed. So, that was her and not me.

[fwbbetsy]

Hey,
I don't know how you guys think Im scamming I like to design sites and sell them what the hell is wrong with that anyway?

I have licensed keys and work with others that are licensed resellers!

everything I do is very legal and I am sad that some of you are so desperate you need to drive people out of the industry.

I am not saying that I have learned as I go of course that's what we all have to do.

As far as Samantha I did some work for her but did not know she was a scammer until later on when I read about it.

So I am just an average person doing what I love to do design websites.

I don't see why I really have to prove anything to you now none of my sites are listed on gptboycott main page as scamer sites so I don't' know where your getting all your information except a bunch of rummer!!!~!!

But glad im so popular!!

Betsy

[fwbbetsy]

By the way Samantha asked me to create those site with those images. I told her i wouldn't be responsible if she was sued by the owners of the content. She agreed to this so I may have done the work, but she agreed to take the blame.

[charmed-cents]

The spongebob and desperatehousewives sites are dead, I have already deleted them.

Here are the sites I own now:
sugarsclicks.info
starclicks.info
wildhorsesptc.info
daisyclicks.info
pigclicks.info
fruitclicks.info
thelionsden.info
cricketgpt.com
theclickmonster.info
bestsunshineclicks.info
mycashhoney.info
cash-in-a-flash.info
tikitreasureptc.info
rosebudptc.info
mississippibelleptc.info
alligatorclicks.info
easyearner.info
rundownbux.net
quickcashptc.com
Kim

Other than a major over use of Animation Factory images.. those all look okay.

I see you're the new owner of Mississippi. I was admin there before you bought it. I was kind of shocked that the first and only mail you've sent out so far was this...


FREE $1.00 SIGNUP BONUS
25% ON 1 LEVEL FOR FREE ACCOUNTS
UP TO 5CENT CLICKS
1.00 PAID TO SIGNUP

http://www.payoutsptc.com/index.php?track=EMAIL



No introduction.. just something that appears to be spam! lol

[12horsemom]

That was not me that was Betsy, before I knew about all of this mess. I allowed her to send emails from my sites. That was my mistake! Sorry, I didn't introduce myself. She no longer has my permission to do that.

[charmed-cents]

By the way Samantha asked me to create those site with those images. I told her i wouldn't be responsible if she was sued by the owners of the content. She agreed to this so I may have done the work, but she agreed to take the blame.

And Moneica?

Sorry.. don't believe you!

When your name is on the whois.. you're the responsible party. No one with half a brain would do something like that on someone else's word that they'd take the blame.

So either you're a complete <edit> or trying to make us believe you're innocent.. thinking we're <edit>.

I'm not stupid. I've seen you bounce from host to host... and more importantly.. I've seen you talk one host into getting you a server, on the premise that you'd design sites for him.. only to design for yourself and stick him with the server bill. REAL CLASSY!!!

You ain't innocent and the only reason you're popular (if you want to call it that).. is because you're nothing but <edited> and cause problems. That's something to be proud of!

[fwbbetsy]

Why Crystal nice to see you on here!! The only reason your saying what your saying is your JJ's Girlfriend don't know who in the right mind would ever even look at him but hey go for it sweety!!

[12horsemom]

QUOTE=charmed-cents;102032Other than a major over use of Animation Factory images.. those all look okay. Well, I just love animation!

[charmed-cents]

Why Crystal nice to see you on here!! The only reason your saying what your saying is your JJ's Girlfriend don't know who in the right mind would ever even look at him but hey go for it sweety!!

What does that have to do with anything? He wasn't so bad for you to take advantage of.. now was he? If he was still kissing your <edited> ***.. you'd still be screwing him over.

You know what... actually... it means that I have more information than most on what went down because JJ didn't exactly go public with it.

I've been seeing the things you do for a while now. I will not sit here quietly while you try to act like the victim. This has nothing to do with being JJ's girlfriend.. this has to do with someone trying to come in here and take advantage of people that don't know everything. It's not right and I for one feel better standing up for them.. instead of watching them fall for your crap.

[charmed-cents]

[QUOTE=charmed-cents;102032]Other than a major over use of Animation Factory images.. those all look okay. ] Well, I just love animation!

To each their own!

The subscription is paid for, so at least they're legal. She uses them a LOT though. If you want your site to look like a million others.. that's your perogative.

[fwbbetsy]

You are a <edited> and this is just a personal attact from you and JJ I can see now whats going on and don't sit there and tell me how Innocent you and jj are you have destroyed many many people.

I don not take advantage of people I do design and install websites and I do it at a reasonable rate one that people can afford!!

Nothing I do is wrong or Illegal so go get a life of your own!!

Yes I did do some work for JJ and did designs on his sites for a trade on hosting and did every site he had asked me to and I also did designs on the side which he did not like he thought he could own me so he blocked all my sites so I cuold not get them back but I did end up getting them only because I had friends able to trick him. So no I was not in the wrong here just a little stupid for believing in JJ

this will be my last post just believe me that i would not use my real name and be so open about everything if I was in the wrong here this is a personal attack!

Thanks again

Betsy

[charmed-cents]

You are a <edited> and this is just a personal attact from you and JJ I can see now whats going on and don't sit there and tell me how Innocent you and jj are you have destroyed many many people.


Once again, what's good for the goose, isn't good for the gander. Your comment about JJ above was a personal attack.. a highly personal attack on his physical self.. not just his online self.

Also, lumping me in with JJ in the sense of destroying many many people is false. All I do for JJ is design work and admin his ad only sites. He's his own person and does what he does... all by himself.

But.. this thread isn't about how innocent JJ is or isn't.. it's about you.. deflection is just tacky.


I don not take advantage of people I do design and install websites and I do it at a reasonable rate one that people can afford!!

Nothing I do is wrong or Illegal so go get a life of your own!!


False again! You use trademarked/copyrighted images in your design work.. that's illegal.

You've also dropped the quality of design in the industry with your $5 crap sites and their Animation Factory designs.



Yes I did do some work for JJ and did designs on his sites for a trade on hosting and did every site he had asked me to and I also did designs on the side which he did not like he thought he could own me so he blocked all my sites so I cuold not get them back but I did end up getting them only because I had friends able to trick him. So no I was not in the wrong here just a little stupid for believing in JJ


You did designs on the side, offered a month of free hosting.. which JJ had to pay for and then quit designing for him all together. He never thought he owned YOU, he owned the server.. big difference. You took advantage of him and made money off of something you shouldn't have. You weren't stupid for believing JJ.. you were stupid for taking advantage of him and his kindness. Had you been honest and not a scammer, he would of continued to help you.. that's just the way that JJ is. He believed your sob stories and wanted to help you.

So maybe he's the stupid one for believing you.


this will be my last post just believe me that i would not use my real name and be so open about everything if I was in the wrong here this is a personal attack!

Thanks again

Betsy

That's funny you say that... cause you don't always use your real name.. do you? You create false identities to cover up stuff... Moneica?? Fortunately for us though.. you're not smart enough to give your false identities a different address.

http://www.who-is-who-in-gpt.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8293&view=findpost&p=110565

Which.. brings me back to Samantha offering to take the blame on all the trademark/copyright infringement sites you made. I guess Moneica offered you the same thing?

And if so.. that means you lied again above.

Moneica Winters came out owning all of these...

http://www.thecraftptc.info/
http://www.dirtydancingptc.info/
http://www.7thheavenptc.info/
http://www.selenaptc.info/
http://www.lawandorderptc.info/
http://www.partyof5ptc.info/
http://www.pinkptc.info/

Your address on the whois though... hmmmmmmm!!!


It's best you quit posting in this thread. The people here that want to believe you're innocent act don't deserve to be treated that way by you... it's not fair to them.

[fwbbetsy]

omg you are exhausting!!

that is samantha again those are all her sites that was the name she asked me to put them under cause she had told me her x was an abuser and was afraid of him so I believed her.

Thats it!! get a life

Betsy

[bren48192]

OK OK OK! I can't stand it any longer. It appears that you 2 have issues with one another. Do you think thatt maybe you should take it to PM? I am not trying to mod, but it seems TOTALLY off of the topic of rosebud... what does JJ and the relations past or present have to do with this new site? I am actually appauled at what I am reading here. I am not accusing anyone of anything.. but this ALL seems fishy to me and WAY to kindergarten to me. Can we please just get back on topic and leave the personal/attacks/relations/partnerships out of it. I for one would appreciate it. Just my opinion, which lately I have been told doen't mean a whole lot, but it is still mine. Please do not flame me or come back with some rebuttle. I am not interested in playing with children.

[GDHRTDWMN]

I agree with bren. If we can not stay on topic since I started this thread if this continues I will request that the thread be closed. I really do not want to do that because I do want answers to the questions of just who is who so those of us who are honest members will not be taken in by known frauders but if this is just going to be a catfight I fail to see how anything productive can come of this. Thank you.

[charmed-cents]

I apologize to everyone (except Betsy) if I went overboard.

It just really bugged me to see her come in here and act like she was the innocent victim.. knowing that most of y'all don't know ALL the history and I didn't want to see y'all played by her as well.

I posted enough proof and y'all are more than welcome to form your own opinions based on what was presented. I'll hush now.

Take care and Happy Holidays!

[GDHRTDWMN]

I apologize to everyone (except Betsy) if I went overboard.

It just really bugged me to see her come in here and act like she was the innocent victim.. knowing that most of y'all don't know ALL the history and I didn't want to see y'all played by her as well.

I posted enough proof and y'all are more than welcome to form your own opinions based on what was presented. I'll hush now.

Take care and Happy Holidays!

Was not trying to 'hush' you at all. Just did not want to see it turned into what was starting to look like a jealousy catfight over this jj. I hope you can understand that. Any other info you have to add would be appreciated. Sometimes one person will search and come up with something when another does something else shows up. I know I have done a lot of searches on a lot of subjects and have yet to have to searches come up with the same exact info. In no way am I asking you to hush. Please keep adding anything that you have as long as we stay on topic I am ok with it. I just do not want to see the thread get closed for something off topic if you know what I mean. I appreciate your appology too. Thank you. :) Not backseat modding here. Just trying to keep us from getting into trouble. ;) Thank you for understanding. :) Happy Holidays to you also.

[Seraph]

I will just state one thing here...it doesn't matter if you say they asked you to use copyrighted pictures and you deny all liability. If a suit comes up, you are STILL liable. You still agreed to it.

Its like the time I was asked to copy a person's website for another. I told him it was illegal, I got ripped a new one...and then emailed the owner of the site in question the chat logs. :) He thanked me, and said that he was going to pursue the offendant...and that I should be glad I turned it down because I would have been included due to compliance.

I'd like to state that Seraph-chan Designs only uses royalty-free images in all PTC and GPT site creation. :D Woot woot! <shameless plug>

[jpomeranz]

I don't understand why *someone* posting here would attack others so forwardly. I'm not complaining but...

[Mouse8992]

I don't understand why *someone* posting here would attack others so forwardly. I'm not complaining but...


Because its a forum enviroment and thats what happens when people are trying to prove they are right, emotions get raised, things get heated and it turns into one big fat ugly mess :baaa:

And Bren....I'm not sure what you were meaning in the comment your opinion doesnt seem to matter anymore :( Your opinion should only matter to yourself because your the one that has to live with it, altho....I think you should give your opinion any dang time you want, you would be suprised who actually does want to hear it :)

Mouse

[Mouse8992]

I will just state one thing here...it doesn't matter if you say they asked you to use copyrighted pictures and you deny all liability. If a suit comes up, you are STILL liable. You still agreed to it.

Its like the time I was asked to copy a person's website for another. I told him it was illegal, I got ripped a new one...and then emailed the owner of the site in question the chat logs. :) He thanked me, and said that he was going to pursue the offendant...and that I should be glad I turned it down because I would have been included due to compliance.

I'd like to state that Seraph-chan Designs only uses royalty-free images in all PTC and GPT site creation. :D Woot woot! <shameless plug>

hehehehehe, I always enjoy a shamless plug :) But its good to have someone give out information that they actually know what they are talking about in regards to copyright and all that.

[bren48192]

And Bren....I'm not sure what you were meaning in the comment your opinion doesnt seem to matter anymore :( Your opinion should only matter to yourself because your the one that has to live with it, altho....I think you should give your opinion any dang time you want, you would be suprised who actually does want to hear it :)

Mouse

I was just talking in general... thanks for the positive compliment though. Sometimes I amaze myself at who listens to me.

[GDHRTDWMN]

I got a few messages in the past couple of days basically stating that this jj is also a scammer. Can anyone enlighten us on just how he fits into this whole mess as another scammer? The way I took those posts earlier was that he was just some guy the two gals were jealous over. Sorry if I misunderstood that but if you read it not knowing who this guy is and just how he fits in as a scammer also you would probably take it the same way. Thanks. My opinion here. :p

[Mouse8992]

I was just talking in general... thanks for the positive compliment though. Sometimes I amaze myself at who listens to me.

Well I for one like to hear your opinion, regardless of the past :)

[GDHRTDWMN]

If we cannot stay on topic here I will request this thread closed. Thank you.

[GDHRTDWMN]

There is a new thread started that has to deal with this topic. http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20146 It seems that Kim is now very anxious to sell her sites including RosebudOffers.

[Mouse8992]

If we cannot stay on topic here I will request this thread closed. Thank you.


I dont think letting someone know that their opinon matters is a bad thing :) however I shall refrain from any more of such activity in this thread :p

Mouse :)

[12horsemom]

There is a new thread started that has to deal with this topic. http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20146 It seems that Kim is now very anxious to sell her sites including RosebudOffers.


Yes, that's true. I simply can't afford them and my dedicated server too. What's wrong with that?

[GDHRTDWMN]

Hi,

I need to sell my GPT sites. Partner bailed on me and I can't afford to keep them. I will accept any offer.

http://www.tikitreasure.com
http://www.rosebudoffers.com
http://www.honeybeepoints.com
http://www.sunshineclicks.com

I would appreciate any help.

Thanks,
Kim



This the post that Kim put up just a while ago on that thread. I feel it should also be posted here as well. Sounds rather desperate and much like the various emails we all who were members of dolphin got. My opinion. :p

[12horsemom]

This the post that Kim put up just a while ago on that thread. I feel it should also be posted here as well. Sounds rather desperate and much like the various emails we all who were members of dolphin got. My opinion. :p

What is wrong with wanting to sell my sites? I can't afford them by myself. That's all. I have a dedicated server to pay for. I can't afford both.

I was looking for help, not to be bashed or put in any kind of category. I really don't give a S**T what anyone thinks about me. I haven't done anything wrong.
Kim

[bren48192]

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=maderitegpt&tld=comI got a few messages in the past couple of days basically stating that this jj is also a scammer. Can anyone enlighten us on just how he fits into this whole mess as another scammer? The way I took those posts earlier was that he was just some guy the two gals were jealous over. Sorry if I misunderstood that but if you read it not knowing who this guy is and just how he fits in as a scammer also you would probably take it the same way. Thanks. My opinion here. :p

after spending the last 4 hours checking this subject and some references to people mentioned on this thread, and several sites... I found out that john parks is a total scammer as shown in this thread.
http://ptctalk.com/forums/index.php?...topic=39025.10 He is the whole problem behind the whole egyptianclicks mess. I also just found out that he is the owner of paydayptc.com, which just opened and which I am starting a new thread on to warn people. I would encourage people to go to the site and read how ridiculous their payment terms are so you know that they are, shall I say, not about to pay a whole lot.... see for yourself

http://www.paydayptc.com/index.php?view=terms&sid=2201TkM0NU5qTTNOREUw&sid2=2201T&siduid=2201&

And here of course is the proof that he owns/owned maderitegpt and maderite hosting. All you have to do is google maderite and you will be amazed at the stuff you read! http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=maderitegpt&tld=com
http://who.securepaynet.net/WhoIsStd.aspx?k=tf1QwIpblRLMfAORVdoG1ISBjqLXx8Ea"&domain=maderitehosting.com&prog_id=svhosting
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=paydayptc.com&prog_id=godaddy I just had to check this all out. This is totally amazing stuff here. It makes for a good read. This is apparently not the only time that this man has done it. Sorry this is such a long post but I thought that it might be beneficial to someone

Bren

[GDHRTDWMN]

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=maderitegpt&tld=com


after spening the last 4 hours checking this subject out of jj, and betsy, and several sites... I found out that jj is a total scammer as shown in this thread.
http://ptctalk.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=euc661q59gg7k8g8k1me87is67&topic=39025.10 He is the whole problem behind the whole egyptianclicks mess. I also just found out that he is the owner of paydayptc.com, which just opened and which I am starting a new thread on to warn people. I would encourage people to go to the site and read how ridiculous their payment terms are so you know that they are, shall I say, not about to pay a whole lot.... see for yourself

http://www.paydayptc.com/index.php?view=terms&sid=2201TkM0NU5qTTNOREUw&sid2=2201T&siduid=2201&

And here of course is the proof that he owns/owned maderitegpt and maderite hosting. All you have to do is google maderite and you will be amazed at the stuff you read! http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=maderitegpt&tld=com
http://who.securepaynet.net/WhoIsStd.aspx?k=tf1QwIpblRLMfAORVdoG1ISBjqLXx8Ea"&domain=maderitehosting.com&prog_id=svhosting
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=paydayptc.com&prog_id=godaddy I just had to check this all out. This is totally amazing stuff here. It makes for a good read. This is apparently not the only time that this man has done it. Sorry this is such a long post but I thought that it might be beneficial to someone

Bren


Thank you Bren. This helps clear up a lot. And believe me I have seen much longer posts on this forum. As far as I know there is no rule stating that you have to keep a post to a certain length. :)

[bren48192]

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=mushroomclicks&tld=info

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=SITEBIZSTORE&tld=com

http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=sitebizstore.com&prog_id=godaddy

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=ladybugclicks&tld=info

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=payoutsptc&tld=com
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=payoutsptc.com&prog_id=godaddy

I don't think I need to say much other than stay away stay away stay away from mushroomclicks.info, ladybugclicks.info and payoutsptc.com which are all 3 active sites all running through the domain owned by none other than Betsy Coxwell.

[trulyfair]

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=maderitegpt&tld=com


after spening the last 4 hours checking this subject out of jj, and betsy, and several sites... I found out that jj is a total scammer as shown in this thread.
http://ptctalk.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=euc661q59gg7k8g8k1me87is67&topic=39025.10 He is the whole problem behind the whole egyptianclicks mess. I also just found out that he is the owner of paydayptc.com, which just opened and which I am starting a new thread on to warn people. I would encourage people to go to the site and read how ridiculous their payment terms are so you know that they are, shall I say, not about to pay a whole lot.... see for yourself

http://www.paydayptc.com/index.php?view=terms&sid=2201TkM0NU5qTTNOREUw&sid2=2201T&siduid=2201&

And here of course is the proof that he owns/owned maderitegpt and maderite hosting. All you have to do is google maderite and you will be amazed at the stuff you read! http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=maderitegpt&tld=com
http://who.securepaynet.net/WhoIsStd.aspx?k=tf1QwIpblRLMfAORVdoG1ISBjqLXx8Ea"&domain=maderitehosting.com&prog_id=svhosting
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=paydayptc.com&prog_id=godaddy I just had to check this all out. This is totally amazing stuff here. It makes for a good read. This is apparently not the only time that this man has done it. Sorry this is such a long post but I thought that it might be beneficial to someone

Bren

I didn't read all the thread at PTCTalk but I think there is a bit of confusion here. Charmed-Cents' boyfriend is Jeffrey Johnson aka jjohnson777 from Georgia, USA.

[bren48192]

I guess I should have been a little clearer. I was checking out the whole situation and sites and all and that's when I discovered John Parks and that whole mess. I didn't mean to insinuate that he was involved at all since I haven't checked that out. Sorry about the confusion

[trulyfair]

As JJ is not John Parks, perhaps you should edit your post?

[Mouse8992]

What is wrong with wanting to sell my sites? I can't afford them by myself. That's all. I have a dedicated server to pay for. I can't afford both.

I was looking for help, not to be bashed or put in any kind of category. I really don't give a S**T what anyone thinks about me. I haven't done anything wrong.
Kim

Kim
whether your a frauder or not, personally I have no idea, but in regards to you getting attacked for wanting to sell sites. Certain people just like to have an excuse to go after someone and attack them. No specific people shall i mention because they know who they are. And yes....I do believe this is on topic :)

Mouse

[GDHRTDWMN]

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=maderitegpt&tld=com

after spending the last 4 hours checking this subject and some references to people mentioned on this thread, and several sites... I found out that john parks is a total scammer as shown in this thread.
http://ptctalk.com/forums/index.php?...topic=39025.10 He is the whole problem behind the whole egyptianclicks mess. I also just found out that he is the owner of paydayptc.com, which just opened and which I am starting a new thread on to warn people. I would encourage people to go to the site and read how ridiculous their payment terms are so you know that they are, shall I say, not about to pay a whole lot.... see for yourself

http://www.paydayptc.com/index.php?view=terms&sid=2201TkM0NU5qTTNOREUw&sid2=2201T&siduid=2201&

And here of course is the proof that he owns/owned maderitegpt and maderite hosting. All you have to do is google maderite and you will be amazed at the stuff you read! http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=maderitegpt&tld=com
http://who.securepaynet.net/WhoIsStd.aspx?k=tf1QwIpblRLMfAORVdoG1ISBjqLXx8Ea"&domain=maderitehosting.com&prog_id=svhosting
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=paydayptc.com&prog_id=godaddy I just had to check this all out. This is totally amazing stuff here. It makes for a good read. This is apparently not the only time that this man has done it. Sorry this is such a long post but I thought that it might be beneficial to someone

Bren

Thanks for the corrections Bren. So then if I understand correctly the question of what does this jj have to do with any of this is still unanswered? Perhaps the ones that brought jjs name into the topic could expand a bit on just where he fits into the picture here? Would appreciate it. The truth does need to come out here about all the parties that are involved in the running these sites. As long as we have reason to doubt the validity of an owner and the way they run their sites there will be questions. If those questions cannot be answered in a way that shows us that you can be trusted then how do you expect us to believe that you will pay the members on time or at all? We, the members, are the reason that sites either succeed or fail. We do the work and we have every reason to believe that we will be paid on time and not with a hot check either. If you want your members to speak highly of you then you need to take care of your members and treat them right. From what I understand none of the actual parties involved in the running of these sites have been paying their members let alone keeping their word to their members. It seems some owners and ex-owner just do not seem to get the message that it is the members that are the heartbeat of the sites. Without the members there is no one bringing in the revenues for you. It is essential that the members be well informed and kept up to date on any changes made to the site and on their payments. My opinion. :p

[maderite]

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=maderitegpt&tld=com

after spending the last 4 hours checking this subject and some references to people mentioned on this thread, and several sites... I found out that john parks is a total scammer as shown in this thread.
http://ptctalk.com/forums/index.php?...topic=39025.10 He is the whole problem behind the whole egyptianclicks mess. I also just found out that he is the owner of paydayptc.com, which just opened and which I am starting a new thread on to warn people. I would encourage people to go to the site and read how ridiculous their payment terms are so you know that they are, shall I say, not about to pay a whole lot.... see for yourself

http://www.paydayptc.com/index.php?view=terms&sid=2201TkM0NU5qTTNOREUw&sid2=2201T&siduid=2201&

And here of course is the proof that he owns/owned maderitegpt and maderite hosting. All you have to do is google maderite and you will be amazed at the stuff you read! http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=maderitegpt&tld=com
http://who.securepaynet.net/WhoIsStd.aspx?k=tf1QwIpblRLMfAORVdoG1ISBjqLXx8Ea"&domain=maderitehosting.com&prog_id=svhosting
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=paydayptc.com&prog_id=godaddy I just had to check this all out. This is totally amazing stuff here. It makes for a good read. This is apparently not the only time that this man has done it. Sorry this is such a long post but I thought that it might be beneficial to someone

Bren

you know id like to know how i got even mentioned in this conversation.

and bren whoever you are( my guess is yourone of those ptctalk trash that have been constantly attqacking me)

what have i got to do with any of those sites please explain.

and as far as the maderitehosting scam and maderitegpot scam first how was maderitegpt a scam when all it ever was was a forum so evidently your not very good at investigating it never was a site.

second maderite hosting.-maderitehosting hosts over 400 ptc sites and gpt sites and out of 400 one screms and cries because they had problems ticked theyre host of with insults etc and got theyre site taken back 1 out of over 130 clients and 400 sites so that makes maderitehosting a scam how so.
instead of calling myself and my partners scam show us some proof i have owned one site that went bad and converted to ads only and this was after constant attacks by a group of kids that got our paypal and alertpay frozen and a $2500 fine from paypal yes thats right you dont always get all the money back in 6 months from paypal. what we did get pack was paid to memebers along with over 3000 our of my pocket if you want to brand me a scammer due to that go ahead i really dont care.

as far as paydayptc guess what wrong again my oh my you are such a really good investigator why didnt you post the who is for it.
because that would show it wasnt mine thats why!
Leslie aleen owns that site she is known in many forums as ptcqueen and has been owning ptr and gpt sites as well as ptc sites for over 4 or 5 years.

i created the site for her and made the custom design and modifications of our version of aurora thats it.

as far as its payout i thinks its briliant at least that way everyone gets paid.
but you call it a scam i guess clicking 10,000 ads to get a $1 payout on most aurora sites is a scam in your book as well or all the ptr sites that you redeem points for cash as well.

it is ignorance and scam posting like yours that has ruined this industry for alot of owners .

the problem with ptc ptr and gpt nowadays are jkids like you that have 2 months in business and think they know everything .

thats the true problem with the industry.kids making real scams crying scam and getting god sites blacklisted because they got caught cheating or didnt get rich etc.

i mean when a bunch of kids openly admit making chargebacks and false reports to paypal and alertpay and then bragg about it but call the admin of the site a scammer when he cant pay his users.
Which was the cas4e in honestbux so for one bad site im branded a scammer thats really dfair isnt it.
well its all good i dont and wont runa ny more sites period.

and just to egg you on bren guess what!! i just bought the 4 sites this thread is about yes thats right i bought all four of them and i will find them all good homes within a few days because thats what i do i make buy and sell sites ill leave the site owning to those that have the illusion of making it in this industry as bad as it is because of people exactly like you.

one note u say payday is scam how so it pays a percentage of what site maklles it pays out 90% of all revenue into site
how is that a scam the terms are very clear on everything i just read them to make sure it states exactly how the siote is maybe you dont like them if so dont join i man really.

BNut that just goes to prove my point.

i apoogize to the mods for such a long post and to the user of this forum as well .
but it needed to be long as it is the only one i make.
I hope all of you take my advice and run people like this out of the forums they are what is truly destroying the industry.and we really dont need that.

[Mouse8992]

If this JJ doesnt own any of the sites what does it matter who he is? Isnt this thread about who owns these sites? :) And why should anyone clarify their involvement with him? Just some small questions I have :)

[GDHRTDWMN]

GDHRTDWMN...you wish an apology from me, I would like one from you in regards to things you said. However we both feel we were justified in our actions and I dont feel that this situation will ever be resolved in respect to how we feel about each other. A situation I feel cannot be repaired. I will do my best not to slam you or insult or bash you, that solves nothing but causes hurt. If you stay in your yard I will stay in mine..agreed? this probably sounds contrite but I honestly don't mean it to be.

Nuff said. I have requested this thread closed as I am tired of feeling stalked by the same person who wrote this. I do need to nor will I justify my questions I ask to you. You are not the one I asked them to in the first place. In fact if you had bothered to read the entire post I had asked for the persons who actually brought that name into this thread to answer what he has to do with anything. My opinion. I am the OP. And my decision to request the closure. No offense Mary but you are the one who requested we stay in our own yards. Remember? Mods Please close this thread now. Thank you.

[Mouse8992]

Why on earth would you take my posts here on this thread personal? If your thinking any thread you create I'm not going to give my opinion on your sadly mistaken. Nothing I said was an attack on you it was about Bren and telling her i appreciated her opinion and the question about JJ. I think you need to step back and realize not all things are about you my dear :)

**to clarify because it sounds rude and intentional about posting in threads that gdh starts. What i mean is that just because she started the thread, does not mean I will stay away. If i have a question or opinion I will post. Has nothing to do with her and I post on any thread if I have an opinion or question...hmmmmm wonder if that still sounds rude because thats not the intention.**

[GDHRTDWMN]

GDHRTDWMN...you wish an apology from me, I would like one from you in regards to things you said. However we both feel we were justified in our actions and I dont feel that this situation will ever be resolved in respect to how we feel about each other. A situation I feel cannot be repaired. I will do my best not to slam you or insult or bash you, that solves nothing but causes hurt. If you stay in your yard I will stay in mine..agreed? this probably sounds contrite but I honestly don't mean it to be.

What part of the bolded request made by YOU did you not understand??? Enough is enough Mary. You made the request to stay in our own yards. I have honored it. Why cant you honor your own request? I have left other threads that you are posting in alone. Why cant you to follow your own advice and leave me alone? I go out of my way to avoid you in order to honor YOUR request. As I said before enough is enough.

Yes your post does sound rude.

[Mouse8992]

I think you misunderstood what i was saying gdh...what i meant by stay in our own yards was not go out of our way to attack each other or bash or insult or any of that. I could care less if you post in threads I post. I could care less if you respond to something i say as long as its not with a negative intention. Its simple as that :)

Mouse

[GDHRTDWMN]

I think you misunderstood what i was saying gdh...what i meant by stay in our own yards was not go out of our way to attack each other or bash or insult or any of that. I could care less if you post in threads I post. I could care less if you respond to something i say as long as its not with a negative intention. Its simple as that :)

Mouse

But you do and you know you do. For example read your response to kim. I know exactly who you were meaning and so do you so stop denying it. You claim to want to make amends here yet you bash us and this forum on the other forum. Only you know which posts you make are what you really feel. For the record there is NO way YOU are going to dictate what I say. YOU have NO right to gag me. NOT here. Like I said enough is enough. No more on this thread.

[Mouse8992]

Sighhhhh, you are making something personal that isnt. We can go around and around on this but you are reading way way too much into what i post and thinking its in some way about you.

[Seraph]

Sorry to be offtopic.

Mary, it does seem rather as if you're trying to badger GDHR about every point she's brought up on this thread. And really, you still haven't stopped on BG...so if you really want to do the whole "stay in your yard, I'll stay in mine", you may want to specify what you mean by it. Because darned if it doesn't appear that you're hanging on the edge of your seat to try and start something with GDHR.

[Mouse8992]

Seraph,
I just did specify what I meant since she misunderstood. And if I wanted to badger her, she sure would know it. I have no reason to act like i'm not and actually doing it. I really am not doing it. And as far as bg, i believe i said my feeling on that, over at that thread :)

[GDHRTDWMN]

I understood perfectly. You are upset that your buddy got banned and you are going after me now to avenge him. Wont work. Mary. By the way I saw how you had not even read the rules to this forum until a day or two ago. Shame. And you expected your members to abide by rules you yourself never bothered to let them know about. Shame on you.

[Mouse8992]

And to clarify, the badger comment was not a threat. lol. I was pointing out that if i were to badger her, it would be obvious to all. :D I have no reason to badger her, as far as i'm concerned my issue with her is over and i have moved on. Would be pretty silly to assume that everytime i make a post in a thread she is in or created that i have some evil evil intent. LOL

[Mouse8992]

I understood perfectly. You are upset that your buddy got banned and you are going after me now to avenge him. Wont work. Mary. By the way I saw how you had not even read the rules to this forum until a day or two ago. Shame. And you expected your members to abide by rules you yourself never bothered to let them know about. Shame on you.

Do you seriously read what you type? hahahahahahhahahaha, Yes I was upset about Benny, however I was upset with Daz, not you nor am I practicing the kick the dog theory. Wow...you really do think its all about you dont ya. Okay, this is getting no where so i'm done on this subject. It will just be a constant back and forth. :baaa:

[GDHRTDWMN]

You are badgering me. Do you ever stop? or do you always have to have the last word? Someone asked you once before. What is it you want because you sure cannot make up your mind? By the way which version of your feelings on bg should we believe? Yea I read the post on the other forum you made today. Def not the same as the version you posted here.

[DAzHiredGun]

Thread is now closed at the request of the OP.


Ron