EmailTreasures anyone?

[DAzHiredGun]

I'm brand new to the paid email thing and have signed up for quite a few, but there's something strange about EmailTreasures. Here's the history and you can decide if it's a scam. I signed up May 4 and received confirmation - with my very own website. Days pass and I'm still signing up with different "get paid" sites and am being flooded with email - except for EmailTreasures. On May 12, I decided to go "gold" with them, thinking "they'll get the referrals for me and I'll start getting mail and money from more than one direction." I got a confirmation email thanking me for the upgrade and more silence. On May 15, I sent them an email asking what the problem was - no response. Today, I "chatted" with someone purporting to be Muriel-Gowan. I asked: "Are you sending ANY emails?" Response: "That depends entirely on the advertisers." Query: "Do you have any?" Ans: "Yeh." Query: "I joined May 4, upgraded to "gold" May 12, have received NO referrals, NO mail since I joined, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?" (30 seconds silence) Ans: "Who are you?" I respond w/name & email. Ans: "You'll get a refund in five minutes." (30 sceonds silence) Msg: Chat session has ended. SCAM? BOYCOTT???

[NetDough]

I had 2 paid emails from them come through today...

Still have not gotten to them yet though. :p

[DAzHiredGun]

Thanks, NetDough. I'm curious - how long did it take them to send you two emails? I see I've had four emails come in from them since I made the post and left my office yesterday. Wonder what prompted their sudden interest? Increased adverting, I suppose! I did, BTW, get notice of a refund.

[NetDough]

I seem to get them fairly regular lately. I dont' think a week has gone by in the last few months that I have not received one.

I do make use of the paid to click section though in slow times. :)

Heidi

[astrangemix]

I don't get many e-mails from them either although I have received 2/3 in the last week. If Captain Billy offers targeted ads it may mean not getting much e-mail unless your profile fits the group advertisers want to reach. Probably the best thing, if you stay a member, is to go to the site each day and click on the 20 to 40 links available. This would also give you the chance to see if you won the daily $5 draw as well.

[jenye]

i have been a member of email treasures for a couple of months. i have only gotten 2 paid emails that entire time. i use their paid to click section a lot though and have earned a decent amount with that.
if you just signed up with them on may 4 and upgraded on may 12 you really didn't give him very much time to get your referrals. usually they get the referrals for gold members by assigning people who signed up without a referral url. they then rotate through the gold members assigning each of them referrals. it could take a few months sometimes to get any depending on how many gold members there are and how many people that signed up without a referral url. a program owner has very little control over those 2 things.
i have contacted the owner a couple of times with questions etc and he has always responded quickly and has always been polite - even when i asked a "dumb" question that i should have easily found the answer to myself. i don't think this program is a scam and i think the owner is probably one of the nicer owners out there (from my limited experience with dealing with him).

[volfan]

After I finally reached my $25 payout and clicked on the request button, I got an fatal error. I emailed them about it and they accused me of cheating the program. They said I was clicking on the ads to many times. But in their FAQ section it states that you are allowed to click each ad once every 24 hours. Now that seems to be wrong according to the email they sent me. The strange thing is that they only accused me of this over the last 2 months. I have been clicking on their site for almost a year. Once again I have been bitten by a site that doesn't pay.

[kglaser]

Their claim is B.S. anyway, because any paid-to-click worth their salt would arrange it so that once you clicked on a banner or link, it wouldn't even appear on the site again until 24 hours later.
But of course, that's moot if they are a scam :(

[volfan]

You know that's the funny part, because once you click the link, it stays red until the 24 hours have past. and if you do click on it before the 24 hours it has a message that reads, you have already been paid. They just don't want to pay. Most people probably don't stick it out like I did. It took almost a year to get the $25.

[germe]

Volfan,

I have the same problem with emailtreasure, exactly like you. bizarre:)

[osriel]

Originally posted by volfan
After I finally reached my $25 payout and clicked on the request button, I got an fatal error. I emailed them about it and they accused me of cheating the program. They said I was clicking on the ads to many times. But in their FAQ section it states that you are allowed to click each ad once every 24 hours. Now that seems to be wrong according to the email they sent me. The strange thing is that they only accused me of this over the last 2 months. I have been clicking on their site for almost a year. Once again I have been bitten by a site that doesn't pay.
I had the same thing happen with me, I was also a member for over a year, I got to the 25$ mark and they deleted my account for the same reason, It makes no sence what so ever, seeing how they only let you vist every 24 hours, I say to anybody who is a member of this site looks like it is a waste of your time.......

[osriel]

email tresures is not the site to join or stay with, you finally get to your $25 mark and they give you a big error and delete you from there program for clicking more then once, which is impossible to do because you are only allowed to vist once every 24 hours........

[leelalee]

I had been a member of Email Treasures since January and when I finally reached my $25.00 minimum in the middle of May, I got a strange message when I tried to cash out. When I contacted the webmaster I was told to wait until the 30th and send an email with my info, which I did. I then got an email accusing me of fraud on the pay to click section and deleted as a member. They sent a bunch of numbers and dates which didn't mean anything to me. I did not cheat.

It is impossible to cheat the pay to click links because it will only allow you access once every 24 hours.

I guess I wasted 4 months of clicking because it appears I was never going to be paid at all!!!

[volfan]

That's the same kind of email that I got. A bunch of dates and numbers. I emailed them back and told them that I did not cheat and that according to their FAQ section on how your could only click each link once every 24 hours, that there was no way to cheat. Of course I have not received any reply to that and my account has been canceled.

:(

[leelalee]

I sent them 3 emails and have yet to receive a reply. There has to be a way to get them to pay. It seems that as soon as I get close the sites give me a message bad user name or accuse me of fraud. Eg.Inbox bucks and Dollars Love.

[Keith]

If our cgi scripts were working i would add them to the boycott list. I didnt know that people were having problems with them :(

Keith :hehe:

[BaroqueXena]

I requested payment a couple of weeks ago and have sent three emails to them but none have been answered. I can't help thinking, isn't there something we can do? Someone we can report these people to and any other programs that do the same? This is the first program that I reached payout on and I have heavily advertised it. I feel bad for myself and the people in my downline.

[Keith]

Sent them an email and didnt get a response :\

I just added them to the boycott list.

Keith

[matois]

I had a similar problem with a different program -- denied me just as I got to payout. They deleted me. I had my hubby sign up, and I took the name/url of all **192** of their banners, wrote a letter about their behavior, and copied and pasted it to all 192 advertisers. I had my money in paypal in less than 72 hours.

Advertisers won't put up with this --especially those with names recognizable outside the GPTR community like Orbitz, the casinos, the search engines, 1-800-Flowers, CJ, etc.

Post your complaints on as many forums as possible and take 2 hours to do the letter writing campaign -- the more people the advertisers hear from, the higher the heat. Complain to e-gold, paypal, C2it, Anypay, and any of the affiliate tracking companies.

It works.

[Keith]

I love the idea!

Anyone want to do it? :D

Keith

[aquinn21]

I think what we need is a good lawyer and a class-action suit. ;)

WHOIS info:

Shawn - webmaster@emailtreasures.com
12227 Irene
Southgate MI 48195
United States -- US
284-5515

Anyone in Michigan want to check it out for us?

- a l e x

[Keith]

I do know a guy who sue's people for a living :)

Keith

[aquinn21]

OK, Let's say we can get 1000 names and addresses of people who have made it to the $25 cashout point - that's $25,000. I think that's a reasonable *minimum* amount we're talking about here. We could get names through service announcements from other PTREM sites, posting on this board, mycoupons, etc. A lot of people who wouldn't normally have done PTREM sites did this one because of the PTC rate...so we may be even talking about 10,000 names...

What we need is a lawyer who is just as pissed about people getting ripped off on the web as we are and thus will do the major legal stuff pro bono. Of course I know nothing about Internet law and the "doability" of a case like this, but it seems worthy of looking into - maybe not on an individual basis, but as a group saying "we're not going to take it anymore"...

This certainly sounds like something I'd be willing to work with someone on...

- a l e x

[DAzHiredGun]

OK folks, let me jump in and touch on a few points made. You may have a good idea as to a class action, but why stop at 1000 names and only those who have reached payout? Be assured, some of us didn't bother to wait that long before jumping ship. This is not just civil, but criminal; and can be handled by state or federal prosecutors as 'fraud by telecommunication'. The 'Feds' would obviously get more publicity. So, if you consider criminal prosecution, you don't have to worry about 'pro bono' attorneys - they are already available as District Attorneys and Federal Prosecutors. Generally speaking, FRAUD is deception for the purpose of monetary gain. I would think most states have a minimum amount required to classify the 'fraud' as a felony - in Mississippi, the amount is $250. There is an element of 'intent to defraud' that will have to be proven, but shouldn't be too difficult - provided there are enough witnesses to establish a pattern. So, while considering this, keep in mind ALL possibilities, including short-term memberships, gold members, etc. Posting to various chat sites will help determine membership, but, on-the-other-hand, so would a subpoena of ET's company records (business & financial) and confiscation of computers used. BTW, would the Better Business Bureau have any actual participation in this? At any rate, just thought I'd throw out some 'food-for-thought'. If anybody actually starts a list - add my name to it. I've got a problem with criminals!


Ron

P.S.: Did I read somewhere that EmailTrafficKingdom had partnered with GPTBoycott? If so, tell 'em I've been inquiring as to how my account got lost - and getting NO response.

[Rob]

Note on EmailTrafficKingdom - we're trying to contact them right now, to no avail.
We'll give them two weeks or so, obviously.

Rob

[mailman86]

Add my name to the list. I even signed up with the emailtreasures lowlife(s) using ISAAF (Internet Surfers Alliance Against Fraud) as my Referrer and stiill got scammed!

Apparently the original owner of Emailtreasures was a nice guy who somehow ended up selling it to a crook.

[pointsaddict]

Add , my name to a list of unhappy people ! I am at $18.00 guess I will stop clicking now. Any one know when the program got sold ?

Pointsaddict

[aquinn21]

In response to DAzHiredGun, I understand what you are saying and will say again that I know nothing about law (especially where Internet-related) and what's "doable" here. Do you know someone who would be willing to take this case?

Simply saying "add my name to the list" won't do it at this point. Let me say that again: we're not at the stage of "taking names". First, we need a lawyer willing to work on the case.

Now where did all those "legal advice for pennies a day" ads I always get-paid-to-see go...? ;)

- a l e x

[pointsaddict]

I didn't read the big long post about courts and lawyers etc . heck I don't even live in the US . When I said add my name to the list I just meant of people unhappy with Email Treaures , nothing more . Of course if you guys can nail him to the wall, go for it . This not the first program to take my earnings and run ,and I am tired of being scammed .

[DAzHiredGun]

Responding to aquinn21 (Alex), all this is moot if there are no 'victims' to come forward - hence, the list is a priority and will be necessary in either proceeding whether civil or criminal. Is this 'doable'? Yes, but not without a great deal of effort, investigation, coordination and cooperation. Do I know someone? I know of an attorney that made some waves with Yahoo, a chat site and the site's owner after some negative posts were made about an individual. One result was the abrupt removal of the site from Yahoo. I cannot recommend any attorney. Ethics, you see. Personally, I think it would be foolish for any civil attorney to consider an undertaking such as this without charging a fee - considering what will have to be done. On the other hand, criminal prosecutors are already being paid through our tax money. Considering this as a form of telecommunication fraud, involving victims in numerous states and possibly countries, I would say this would be something for the Federal authorities (Feds) to handle; they are called U. S. Attorneys. You've got 'em in GA, too. If they are like some others, they won't consider prosecution unless some major bucks are involved. So, we're back at square one - the list of victims and amounts of losses incurred. Individual losses will be minimal, but the collective loss incurred by all should be a noticable amount. If people are unwilling to come forth, document their complaints and losses, there is no case to be considered in either civil or criminal court.

rwn

[dragonwings]

I'm dissapointed to hear that they're a scam. I thought for sure they were an honest program and I really liked the look.

I did kinda wonder though why after awhile I couldn't even check the boxes every 24 hours. I always had to do it every other day or else it'd give me that "account already credited" message. The # of boxes drastically reduced too and there were so many "advertiser not found" notices too, not to mention they never sent me any emails.

I'm pretty upset with all the wasted time because even with 19 boxes, half a min really adds up. :(

[lexie]

matois


I was wondering if you still have a copy of the e-mail you send to the advertisers .

[lexie]

DAzHiredGun


1st , Would calling the State Atty in MI and asking then to visit this forum help ? Could that possibly help to get an investigation started ?


2nd, I'm not at the point of receiveing pay from them yet , but I wouldn't mind working up to that point , requesting pay and then making that call myself if I am denied my earnings .

lexie
Jer 29:11
www.rewardsdivine.com

[DAzHiredGun]

Lexie, it certainly couldn't hurt to make the contact. You are approaching the realm of 'undercover' investigating - LOL! I applaude your willingness to proceed in search of 'justice'.

rwn

Pro 21:15 & 21:21

[lexie]

Well , guess what everyone ,

I was going to click up my earnings and just tried to log on ET's site . The front page is still there , but when I tried to log in I got a page with an error message " The page can not be found " . Same with the advertisings and FAQ's pages . I've saved copies of the html that's still online .

I'm willing to get to the info on who to call if those that have been cheated are willing to follow through . DAz mentioned that the loses could be as low as $250 . If that's the case in MI , if 10 ppl complain they have to take a gander don't they ? I might have lost $10 , but I'd chime in with the rest . There is power in numbers .

If you folks are interested , you can e-mail me copies of all your e-mails from the webmaster etc . I'll type something up , send it certified mail to the SA in MI and then call after I get the receipt back and see if they intend to do anything .

lemme know :)
lexie
Jer 29:11
www.rewardsdivine.com

darn typo fairy

[DAzHiredGun]

Lexie:

Are you willing to experiment? ET's "contact us" page is still working. Leave a message that a friend tried to join but was having trouble and kept getting an error message when trying to sign up and YOU want to know what's wrong because YOU are losing a referral.

(Psst: don't hold your breath waiting for a response!) LOL

Sounds to me like Capt. Billy has jumped ship.

[lexie]

Sure DAz! I'll update ya asap .

lexie
Jer 29:11
www.rewardsdivine.com

[winterone]

I have just read all the comments about this program. Unfortunately I placed an ad for them which went out today and recieved a whole bunch of referrals..first time ever for me. Now I am really wishing I hadn't. I have been trying to log all day and keep getting a not found error.No answers to any emails either.Do not plan to sit quietly by and be made a fool of.

[DAzHiredGun]

Winterone:

You're not alone; I did the same thing. The only difference, I cancelled my membership shortly afterward and don't have a clue as to how many I helped victimize, and that really burns me up. There's no telling how many FFA's have my ad. I'm still getting confirmations.

I see you run a day-care. You must have the patience of Jobe, and are to be commended. I've got a 2yr old and a 7yr old, both boys, and wouldn't consider keeping anybody else's kids - mine drive me nuts! LOL

Back to ET, it's beginning to appear the few are becoming many as the list of complaints grow. I'm interested to see if Lexie gets a response from those - (well, I'm at a loss for words - if I call them IDIOTS, I'd be complementing them) - whatever!

the daz hired gun--rwn

[lexie]

Hello again everyone ,

I did as DAz suggested . Sent my ref-link to my sis and asked her to try to join . I didn't give her much detail , but she did try and she says ..."i tried to and it will go to the home page but then when i click on signup i get an error message tried about 3 times will try again this afternoon oh it says "file not found" .

I've wriiten about the problem to the WM . And again , as DAz suggested , I am not holding my breath .

So folks , what are we going to do ? Just complain to each other ?We have a chance to at least send a message to programs owners who's plan is to set out to defraud . Lets make a little fuss . Have an investigator knocking on her door . We may not win , but we might make someones cheatin' life a little less comfortable .

lexie
Jer 29:11
www.rewardsdivine.com

[DAzHiredGun]

Well done, Lexie! Handled like a true investigator. Next step, you need to document what you've done and any response you may receive from ET. I would suggest your sister do the same. That way, you won't have to rely on memory for dates and times - should this come down to depositions, statements, testimony, etc. Again, well done - and welcome to the investigative field.

[lexie]

That's high praise . Thank you :)

I've saved the copies of the e-mail sent and recieved to and from my sister . I'll copy and save the post from here too .

Alright ppl . Let's shake some things up . We can compile a list of folks that have been cheated ( if they will come forward ) . Be ready to show your complaint is legit .

I suppose that 1st we can ask the WM to make good and explain that if s/he does not honor the contact made between members and herself , those members will seek to have changes brought against her .

Might be better to go with the latter , because we all know s/he may have already set up shop here in cyber space -- just a URL away .

Step right up now . Don't be shy . Hold your hand up high and say , I'll do it !

lexie
Jer. 29:11
www.rewardsdivine.com

[winterone]

I don't think the webmaster is going to reply. I wrote a note to his host and ask them to at least take a peek at this discussion and provide any advice they would be willing to give, because after all it would be in their best interest to be against shady business characters.I also wrote to the webmaster where I put my ads and told her..You know she gave me a new free ad! I am probably not allowed to say who it was, but she is to be recommended for such good service and understanding. Anything else I can do?

[DAzHiredGun]

Winterone:

You are right; the webmaster is to be commended. Be assured, it's O.K. to mention the webmaster's name with whom you do your advertising. I fail to see how it could be construed as anything other than fair play (returning the favor) and good business. Besides, after your recommendation, I may want to use them for advertising, too - if I ever find time to get my site started!!

Thanks for the info.

[winterone]

Great! then I will say it was Sylvia ,at WISHFORMONEY! she is great.

[DAzHiredGun]

Appreciate the tip, Winterone. Sylvia, like you, sounds like a person of principles and character. Many thanks.

[Keith]

I would be willing to make/hold a list of names, email address, contact info, etc.. for the people that have been cheated. I would like to help any way possible.

Keith

[winterone]

Thank you. I would like to be added to that list. I had not been a member as long as some of these people, but I think the more that join together against webmasters like this, the better chance there is. I am just wondering, tho, is there really a process for catching and making him compensate members? People get away with so much on the internet. Has anyone ever been found?

[DAzHiredGun]

Keith:

That's a generous offer to compile and maintain a list of ET's victims for furture reference. Keeping in mind Alex's query of what's doable, Winterone's ad idea and Lexie, and all others, willing to have their names added to 'the list' - let me put a question to you.

Do you think the webmasters/owners of other paid sites would join us in this quest to identify ET's victims by sending an email to their members informing them of the current discussion/investigation at GPTBoycott?

If they are agreeable, but concerned about specifically naming ET, they could simply say we are looking into a problem that has come to light concerning one of the paid email sites. They can be told there is no slanderous intent and none will be tolerated.

What are your views on this?

[lexie]

DAz

I would be willing to do that . I don't have a large member base yet , but I can get the message into about 800 e-mail boxes . Hope that other WM's will help too .

lexie
Jer. 29:11
www.rewardsdivine.com

[winterone]

I recieved a reply from iPowerweb. John the rep, said they would be investigating this situation. He gave a number if anyone wants to call him: 310-314-1608. Maybe thats a start. At least they answered me.

[DAzHiredGun]

Lexie & Winterone:

You two are on the ball. Definitely making moves in the right direction. Did John happen to indicate what their course of action would be? I presume they're the ones that hosted ET. I hope John at least plans to check in on this discussion while it's active.

Many thanks to you both for showing such an interest. Regardless of whether these people are sued, prosecuted, both or neither, perhaps word will get out that somebody other than 'Big Brother' is watching!

[winterone]

thanks! Yes iPower was emailtreasures host. I saw the logo at the bottom of his site..since it was the ONE thing I could still click on, I did! haha. I did give John, (the rep), the link to this forum thread , so he MAY just take a look. I hope so. It would be good for his business (I did mention that!) He was very polite and his email seemed genuinely interested. Maybe the capt will learn to never run away and leave his front page logos open!

[dragonwings]

Someone had asked for the link for the Legal Service for Pennies and I just got an ad like that in my inbox this morning. Here's the url:
http://quintillium.com/mslegal/tssi983

[DAzHiredGun]

Great!

I hope John takes the time to look - he should, if he's serious about investigating.

I'm also hoping Keith will find some more webmasters/owners of paid email sites willing to get involved and refer their members to this site. It would be beneficial for all concerned. Readers would find out what to avoid, paid mail site owners would gain the confidence of their members (as Lexie will) and GPTBoycott may get some new members - so, everybody stands to gain something good, whether it's advise, trust or membership.

[Keith]

Originally posted by DAzHiredGun

I'm also hoping Keith will find some more webmasters/owners of paid email sites willing to get involved and refer their members to this site. It would be beneficial for all concerned. Readers would find out what to avoid, paid mail site owners would gain the confidence of their members (as Lexie will) and GPTBoycott may get some new members - so, everybody stands to gain something good, whether it's advise, trust or membership.

I think i can pull a few strings and send out some emails ;). I will keep you posted on this. Hey you might even get one :)

I'm glad to see everyone is working together and trying to get something done. Makes me feel good about making this site :)

Keith

[dragonwings]

Hmm I was reading that people couldn't log into their accounts anymore and when I just tried I realized that it's the same for me too. I wonder if he disabled that for everyone because he's been "found out" and just keeping the site up to sucker in some of the new un*awares and make some money off of them.

[DAzHiredGun]

Thanks, Keith.

I meant what I said back in May. You and Rob started a good thing, here; you both should be proud of what you've done. I still think it's like the Editorial Page of the Web! (LOL)

I can see, from the different posts, attention and interest in this ET discussion, you have some members who are sincere in exposing fraudulent activities. If nothing else, I hope you and Rob gain recognition for the good this site is doing. Hopefully, the membership will grow and continue to expose those who use the web as a base for fraudulent activities - with your help.

Thanks again.

[winterone]

I am very thankful that this site is here. When awareness rises about what can be done about scams and mistreatment of the internet, than I believe it will happen less often. People will know ...thanks to places like THIS ,that there is something WE can do about it. I didn't know until today that IFCC Internet Fraud Complaint Center is co-sponsored with the FBI and the National White Collar Crime Center. So I am just happy to know its possible to catch people at these types of crimes.

[DAzHiredGun]

One of the best ways to expose internet fraud is on the net itself - right here - with people like you, Lexie, Keith and others interested in seeing justice done. After nearly 30 yrs. in law, it's gratifying to see people willing to stand up and speak out against illegal activities and expose those who prey upon unknowing victims! Keep it up, Winterone, and instill these principles you have in the minds of the little ones you keep.....

[lexie]

Hello all ,

I sent out a PAID e-mail asking RD members to visit this forum and read up on the topic to see if this concerns any of them .

As you all know , lots of ppl just click the links and never read what's inside . I'm guilty of that myself . For this reason , it would be great if other WM's would get involved too .


lexie
Jer. 29:11
www.rewardsdivine.com

[aquinn21]

Keith, if you're interested, I can set up a database to keep track of emailtreasures members, with contact info and estimated "earnings". I'll make a webpage so that users can enter their own info - just give me a day or two and I'll have it set up.

I just wish we had all had time to get screen snapshots of our earnings before the site was disabled...

- a l e x

[usdollars]

CMI for lost referrals/earnings as I'm also getting "file not found" error, there's been a lot of discussion going on at MyECom about this program for a long time now including several members complaining about reaching payout and not receiving a reply.

Personally, at last login I had over $13.00 in earnings and 285 in referrals.

I'll be spreading the word about this thread.

[DAzHiredGun]

Keith & Rob:

Are you two guys keeping up with this? These members are getting with it! It's GREAT to see people pull together like this - offering and doing so much. What an absolutely amazing bunch of people!


Ron

[winterone]

Good day all. Any one that wants to get into their account at emailtreasures, go to YOUR HISTORY...the last day you were there. I checked my Thursday history and found a Referral Center listing and was able to get in and check my stats page!! I had 9 new referrals that day. Thats last day I could get in. Hope this helps. Better copy this page while its still there!!

[Keith]

History, perfect! I just made a copy of my stats. I was owed $8.61.

aquinn21, that's what i was going to do but if you want you can do it :)

I'm going to ask rob to see if he can pull some strings and see if he can get some emails sent out. His strings are better than mine ;)

This feels great!

Keith

[lexie]

hehe ! That worked ! I had to "log on" to make it work , but I got the screenshot ! :) TOTAL EARNED: $11.57

Thanks !

[lexie]

The WM of www.The-Owl-Post.com just sent me a screenshot of her stat's too . She says that she has misplaced her forum log in info at this time . I guess that she will be here when she can . But for the time being , we do have her earnings documented .

[BaroqueXena]

I've just done as you said through history and got my stats page, I'm owed $25.40, but I don't know how to save that page or send it to you. If someone could let me know that would be great. I'm using Windows XP if that makes a difference.

Thanx!

[winterone]

For now maybe just send that page to your documents for your own record and send the stats info here to be added to list , until the web page for all this is finished. Hopefully, Keith (or someone..)will tell us all how to send our documents when its all ready!Because I have no idea how to send it, either; with out attaching it to an email, AND I hate attachments!

[BaroqueXena]

Thank you winterone,

I've saved the page in my pictures file for if anyone needs it.

My stats are $25.40 owed and 27 referrals.

Hope this helps.

BaroqueXena

[jenye]

i cleared my history this morning before i saw this. the last time i wrote down my earnings (on may 30, 2002) i was up to $15.38. it would be a little more by now but i don't remember exactly.

[Rob]

Hi... been away for two days or so, back now...

If someone can write up something which could be the message sent out that'd be great (post it in here), I'll get to pulling all of my strings now, hard!

Rob :)

[Rob]

String #1 pulled...

Chris Houlihan said he'd include a link to this thread within a paid e-mail which he was sending out :)

Not sure on which of his programs... but it's all good so far!

Rob :)

[winterone]

wow, that was fast! you guys mean business. great!

[winterone]

Hi Rob!

[Rob]

Just some more random information which many help us with our fight against EmailTreasures.

**** Sorry rob, what if the guy is reading this post. He will be a step ahead of us******

Paul Coonan, owner of iSAAF designed some banners for the site. Whether he is affiliated with it or not is not under speculation, just he may be able to help in some way?

For proof, look at his graphic portfolio:
http://www.isaaf.com/port/banners3.htm

Keith has just informed me that Paul said that the site was sold...

Rob

[Keith]

Originally posted by Rob
String #1 pulled...

Chris Houlihan said he'd include a link to this thread within a paid e-mail which he was sending out :)

Not sure on which of his programs... but it's all good so far!

Rob :)

What!!!

See i told you Rob's strings are better then mine. I asked chris pretty much the same thing and he said no!

Keith

[Rob]

Lol, I like my strings ;)

And... sorry about posting that lol, good edit job Keith. It never even crossed my mind that the guy could be reading this post.

Spooky if he is in a way.

Back to business...

Rob

[lexie]

Here's an "ad copy" for you guys to use in your string pullin' . You can edit it as you want .

At the gptboycott.com forum , we are looking into a problem that has come to light concerning one of the paid email sites. There is no slanderous intent and none will be tolerated .

We are looking for folks who have lost their earnings at time of cash out due to being accused of cheating by EmailTreasures. At this point , we are gathering information and we need your help .

This e-mail is to ask for the support of GPT program WM's . Announce to your members to review this string , post a message if they too have been accused of cheating and join us in pursuit of justice .

Your concern for your members will no doubt be appreciated by them as well as by GPTboycott.com


OK?

[Keith]

Sounds good to me. Thanks for making one :)

Keith

[Rob]

That's great, I'll pass the following message (slight edits) to some webmasters. (we're gonna kill our bandwidth LOL)

Anybody got the message which can actually go inside the e-mail?

At the gptboycott.com forum, we are looking into a problem that has come to light concerning a paid e-mail/paid-to-click site. There is no slanderous intent and none will be tolerated .

We are looking for folks who have lost their earnings at time of cash out due to being accused of cheating by EmailTreasures. At this point, we are gathering information and we need your help.

This e-mail is to ask for the support of GPT program webmasters . Announce to your members to review this thread, and post a message if they too have been accused of cheating and join us in the pursuit of justice .

Your concern for your members will no doubt be appreciated by them as well as by GPTboycott.com

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=309


Originally posted by lexie
Here's an "ad copy" for you guys to use in your string pullin' . You can edit it as you want .

At the gptboycott.com forum , we are looking into a problem that has come to light concerning one of the paid email sites. There is no slanderous intent and none will be tolerated .

We are looking for folks who have lost their earnings at time of cash out due to being accused of cheating by EmailTreasures. At this point , we are gathering information and we need your help .

This e-mail is to ask for the support of GPT program WM's . Announce to your members to review this string , post a message if they too have been accused of cheating and join us in pursuit of justice .

Your concern for your members will no doubt be appreciated by them as well as by GPTboycott.com


OK?

[lexie]

Do you mean a ad copy for the WM's to include in their mailing ??

I can share what I sent but it might not apply to all ..... What the heck ... we're brain storming now eh ??
===================================

Hello everyone ,

Many of you know that just as you , I am an incentive earner . As a program owner I may find success or I may fail , but intent to defraud is not part of the picture . I don't like being scammed . We incentive earners may have a chance to make scammers think twice before taking advantage of us again .

At the gptboycott.com forum , we are looking into a problem that has come to light concerning one of the paid email sites. There is no slanderous intent and none will be tolerated .

We are looking for folks who have lost their earnings at time of cash out due to being accused of cheating {by EmailTreasures}. At this point , we are gathering information and we need your help .

Please visit [~55~]
and see if this matter concerns you and how you might help . You will also receive 1 cent for visiting .

Unpaid
http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=309
===========================================
As always , .........

Wishing You Success ,
lexie
Jer. 29:11
support@rewardsdivine.com

Make a search ! They help pay the bills :)
2 new searches added .
http://www.rewardsdivine.com

Programs that have paid me .
http://www.rewardsdivine.com/progs.html

============================================

Now I paid members to visit , but that doesn't mean others have to . Just thought it might get higher clicks if it were paid .

Think we can work something up from this ?

darn typo fairy

[DAzHiredGun]

WOW! Those are some great ads. I've got one question and it's because of my ignorance - not the ads. Do you think you'd get more response to GPTBoycott by omitting the name of the site: "....accused of cheating, or whatever reason." ; OR, would the response be less?

[lexie]

hmm , I dunno DAz....

Some of that was copied from an earlier post you made in your suggestion to get the word out . Hope you don't mind :D

[DAzHiredGun]

Heck no, Lexie, I don't mind; I'm honored.

Uh, Rob & Keith, I wouldn't worry about tipping the guy/gal off as to what's happening. Just look at it this way - if the culprit IS reading this - he/she is SWEATIN' BULLETS wondering what's going to happen and when! LOL

[nodaway]

The same thing happened to my wife. The cash out link returned an error message, she emailed about the problem, they said to request payment about the 30th of May, she did, they falsely accused her of cheating and promptly cancelled her account.

I reached cash out in June, received the same error message in trying to cash out, emailed them requesting payment, received no answer. After waiting about 7-10 days I again requested payment -- however I did it through PayPal first using the address contact@emailtreasures.com (which is shown in the gold upgrade info). Was notified that it was unregistered with PayPal, so looked at the Gold upgrade further and found the address: advertise@emailtreasures.com and requested payment again using this address (after cancelling the first request through PayPal). Miracle upon miracle I received payment through PayPal on July 18 (6 or 7 days later). Later on July 18th, my wife again requested payment, however, this time through PayPal. Coincidentally, most of the emailtreasures site has been down since the 19th.

[lexie]

Hello nodaway ,

I think I saw your story elsewhere and invited your here ?? Please come back here often and check this thread . We are really trying to do something about it .

[DAzHiredGun]

Many thanks , nodaway, for the input and for joining us. Thanks to you, we now have a pretty solid idea when ET shut down. Anybody got any idea when they went online?

[lexie]

Hi DAz ,

This is what I found .... there's more , but I won't post everything here .

Created: 04/21/2001
Expiration: 04/21/2003

End of Whois Information.

[DAzHiredGun]

BTW, nodaway, did your wife get paid or did they shut down beforehand? Sounds like a stupid question, but if they did pay her then they'd have a hard time explaining why they paid someone they had accused of cheating - UNLESS, they admit to fraudulent intent by making the accusation to begin with.

[DAzHiredGun]

Hey Lexie,

Be truthful, are you an investigator? (LOL) YOU'RE GOOD!!

[lexie]

LOL!! No . I had a cheatin' husband once (or twice) though . Does that count ?? LOL!!

[DAzHiredGun]

HA, HA --- Yep, you get oriented to lies THAT way, too! LOL

Was the same guy caught more than once, or was it more than one guy??? LOL Don't answer that!

When you really started getting fired up about all this, I recall thinking - if Lexie's a woman, then "Hell hath no fury...." LOL

Good chattin' with ya.

[nodaway]

My wife did not get paid. Was accused of cheating and immediately terminated.

[DAzHiredGun]

That's too bad, nodaway. I was hoping ET had done something else stupid and paid 'Lady Nodaway'. If I had any idea these people were doing all this (back when I wrote "EmailTreasures anyone?"), I wouldn't have gotten angry and quit - but would have started gathering evidence.

[DBE]

I can round up other webmasters, if someone can supply me with advertising text.

Take into consideration that only last week, all members of myecom were warned about slander. That means webmasters hosted at MyEcom need to tred carefully.

I can do the following

17,000 - dollarsbyemail.com
10,000 - 1000levels.com (if the conversion is done on time)
3,000 - paradisehits.com

If theres any doubt whatsoever on whether its a scam/not, I wont send the text.

[Rob]

String #2 pulled, and I think everyone here will appreciate the contribution you have pledged to GPTBoycott Wayne, and our fight against the scams, and our fight for justice.

Rob, GPTBoycott.Com

[Keith]

Wow what a thread!

I need some people that have made it to the $25 min and requested payment to send me a copy of their stats. Send it to keith@gptboycott.com with Emailtreasures as the subject. I'm going to see if i can get this guy's paypal account closed, because of the reasons mentioned in this thread.

Keith

[DBE]

Hope you guys plan on keeping you're wallets out of your pocket, for the hosting, the counter will spin in a few hours.

[lexie]

I'm so excited !

[Keith]

Rob's got a lot of money. He can pay for it :p

Keith

[Rob]

Oi Keith,

I don't work 40 hours a week, and I still have more $$...?! ;)

I sent a message to our hosts demanding more bandwidth LOL... the package says unlimited :p

Usually they increase it once we reach the maximum they set, but seeing as I know in advance I've got a heap of hits coming... :)

Rob

[aquinn21]

Hi! The database and scripts to collect user information are almost ready to go. Here's a list of what I'll be asking users to enter, please add to the list below if you can think of anything else that would be useful. I don't think addresses are needed as long as we have a good contact email address. (?)

first and last name
emailtreasures user_id
emailtreasures email address
contact email address (if different than above)
estimated earnings
comments

I could allow users to upload screen-snapshots if they have them, but I'm not sure I have the space for all that. ;) We could transfer the scripts to gptboycott.com, but I'm not sure if you have the space for that... ;) FYI, they are written in php and the database is mysql.

I did reach the $25 amount, emailed emailtreasures to tell them their payment processing scripts didn't work, but never got a response...so I don't have the paypal address related to the site. <sigh>

- a l e x

[Keith]

That's great!

I think our server can handle the scripts and uploads. If you want us to host them it will be fine. I have been reading on php for a while so i know a little of php

Keith

[Rob]

That's excellent :D

And, if Keith can't do it, I know a guy who knows a helluvalot about PHP... I might be able to convince him to do it for free for a good cause ;)

Originally posted by Keith
I have been reading on php for a while so i know a little of php

Keith

[DBE]

I have a 35Gb Account with Paradise Hits. If you need anything, just holler.

[Rob]

Another MySQL database is going to cost us an extra $12/yr on hosting.

That's not an awful lot is it? Am I being ripped off - I wouldn't know? :p

Don't mind paying it as long as it's needed... I seem to remember Keith mentioning that we do. If yes, I'll go order now.

Rob

[DBE]

i'm allowed unlimited at PH I think. I dont even use MySQL

[Rob]

Waiting for someone clever to tell me if it actually matters whether it's hosted at PH or here... lol.

Rob

[aquinn21]

uh, Wayne - doesn't the new myecom script use php and mysql? So DBE sort of has to have that capability... ;)

Rob, you don't really need another mysql database, this can just be one new unrelated table within the same mysql database. :) The number of mysql databases isn't really important, it's the size restriction. Also, the uploads will be stored in a directory on the server, not "in" the database, so that's a separate space issue.

Configuring php won't be a problem, as this discussion forum is in php itself - it'll be the logistics of adding the new table to the database. I'll email Keith the appropriate information - probably tomorrow morning, as I won't have time tonight...

- a l e x

[DBE]

DBE and PH have that capability. PH is hosted on a private server, with a few other sites. Thats better, performance wise.

[aquinn21]

BTW, I think people will be more likely to trust adding the information here than on my personal site or any ptw (pay to whatever) site. After all, I could run with everyone's email addresses and spam to no end...

Not that *I* would do that, of course... ;)

- a l e x

[DBE]

Yeah well the offers there, makes no difference to me, I don't have a clue how MySQL works, so not like I could do anything with it anyway. Besides, most PTR sites are responsible with member data, but he has a point, its probably better coming from here.

[DAzHiredGun]

WOW, a lot has gone on since my last visit.

Since DBE brought up the issue of slander, let me expound on it a little. As a reference, "Black's Law Dictionary" (a reference tool widely used by those in the legal profession) will be used.

" 'Libel' and 'slander' are both methods of defamation; the former being expressed in print, writing, pictures, or signs; the latter by oral expressions. Ajouelo v. Auto-Soler Co., 61 Ga.App.216, 6 S.E.2nd 415, 418. "

So, by definition, if there is a problem with what we are doing - it would fall in the area of libel. There is quite a lot written on the subject of libel, mostly beginning with 'false and malicious publication', 'malicious falsehood', 'publication which falsely', etc., etc., etc.

Now, in my unsolicited opinion, I will say this. The definition of libel is, of and in itself, the defense of the action being taken by those members involved in this discussion because these writings are neither false nor malicious but are truths set forth by victims concerning their respective experiences.

Furthermore, if any action is contemplated by those who are the subject of this discussion, then I, for one, am confident the statements made during this discussion have been truthful depictions of personal experiences and invite them to SUE ME!!

'nuff said

[lexie]

Hi Daz ,

So a statement has to be false AND cause damage to a person before it is considered libel ? Seems to me that those members that were accused of being cheaters and then lost their money because of it have been libeled .

BTW .. Off subject . They were only caught once .

[nodaway]

Email Treasures used the email address: advertise@emailtreasures.com when I received my payment. I still have no idea why I received payment, other than the fact that I requested it through PayPal. Though why they paid me one day and closed the site down the next is an even bigger mystery!!!!

[DAzHiredGun]

Hey Lexie,

By definition - yes - to both your question AND your comment!

[lexie]

Now, in my unsolicited opinion, I will say this. The definition of libel is, of and in itself, the defense of the action being taken by those members involved in this discussion because these writings are neither false nor malicious but are truths set forth by victims concerning their respective experiences.


I guess if I had read this part a little more carefully , I would have known you already said that eh ?

Blonde moments ! Hate 'em ! LOL!

Not to crazy about that typo fairy either

[DAzHiredGun]

Lexie:

For the sake of argument, if they filed suit, THEY have to PROVE malicious intent and that the statements made were false.

Why would ALL these people from different locales across the nation and world, including us, come forth with their complaints if they were not true? Ans: They ARE true.

What do we stand to gain from having made these statements? Ans: Absolutely NOTHING!

Who will a jury believe after considering the foregoing issues? Ans: US!!!

[RogueRed]

Hi Im kinda new at the PDR Programs, thanks to all of you, I cancelled my account with this company only a couple days after checking out this forum. Also I seen someone asked if there was anyone from Michigan, Im from Michigan and go towarss the Southgate area every other weekend, anything i can do to help? RogueRed

[DAzHiredGun]

RogueRed:

One thing you can do is stay active and keep reading the posts. Right now, new ideas are being posted daily - so, hang in there.

[charmeyn]

Hi All,

I'm new to this forum, and I am not happy with what I'm hearing about Emailtreasures. I liked them too.
I live on a pension and was looking forward to cashing out to buy Christmas time.
I feel violated that these people would do this to us, but they will lose in the long run because no visitors to there advertisors means no money comming in for them because the advertisers won't want to spend their money with them knowing they are not paying their viewing public.
I am going to put a Boycott Logo alongside my Sign up Link, with a link to this forum thread on my site RIGHT NOW!!!!!
Plus I will make a Boycott Email Treasures page and run it through all my Site rotators.

Charmeyn S

[paydough]

I had just joined emailtreasures on June 28th, had 4 referrals and only made 5.89 at the last time I was able to log in.

I too am getting a 404 page when trying to log in.

I know I haven't made much, but I hate scammers, so add me to your list.


Paydough

[DBE]

Well all that interests me at the moment is what myecoms views on slander are, I don't want to wake up one morning to find i'm 4 sites down. I read the email they sent the other week, I don't know what prompted them to send it, unless someone was having another public slanging match.

Whatever I feel is irrelevant, but there seems to be more companies / hosts being aware of what trouble they can be in in slander/liable cases.

I did sent the traffic, direct to the forum, and GPTboycott supplied me with their usual text, so all in all, the job got done. Just a re-send to do on old links, and the other 2 sites to send from.

[nadiaasoma]

Hi, I resined the program when I read the first messages.
Iff there's a list, I would be glad to be on it.

Marian

[DAzHiredGun]

Sshhhh - the silence is deafening......

What's the buzz, people? Why so quiet? In the midst of a murder trial and preparing for a Grand Jury session, I've been doing a little research on internet fraud. I haven't had time to read much, but here are some sites you folks can check out - if you're interested:

National Consumers League @ www.nclnet.org ;

Federal Communications Commission @ www.fcc.gov ;

Federal Trade Commission @ www.ftc.gov/ftc/who.htm ;

Council of Better Business Bureaus, Inc. @ www.bbb.org ;

Consumer Information Center @ www.pueblo.gsa.gov ;

National Center for Victims of Crime @ www.nvc.org ;

National Fraud Information Center @ www.fraud.org ;

National District Attorneys Association @ www.ndaa.org ;

National Association of Attorneys General @ www.naag.org


That's enough for now.

[Keith]

Wow thanks for the links. I also dont have time to check them out.

I have an update. Not really big, but it's an update. Alex and I are getting closer to finishing the script that will allow users to "add their name" to the list, and it will allow users to upload your stats page if you have it. Hope to have it ready soon.

Keith

[DAzHiredGun]

You're welcome, Keith!

I was hoping it would help. These were just a few I found. There are listing available for most states and several countries outside the U.S.

I can do research and occasionally offer some guidance as to what will be needed by attorneys/law enforcement - but, when you guys get to talkin' computer jargon, you're way outta my league!

Thanks for the update.

[winterone]

thank you ;DazHiredGun; for all those useful links. As I see ET banners I invite the people displaying them, tactfully to the forum. Alot of these people are forum members, just hadn't heard any news of ET.They'll have to hear it here!Just pointing them in that direction! LOL,,same here,,when all the technical computer talk starts I drift off to the shadows,,haha. AM glad we have such talented people looking out for us.

[DAzHiredGun]

Depending on whether today's trial is a wash, I'll try to post some more info. If you have time to check out the sites, let us know which seem to be more informative along the lines of this discussion - if you don't mind.

[DAzHiredGun]

BTW, if any of you need to know how to contact the U.S. Attorneys, State Attorneys General or State Coordinators for YOUR STATE, post it. I've got a 'resourse directory' listing addresses, phone numbers and some web sites.

It appears, from what I'm finding so far, internet fraud is very similar to telemarketing scams such as various offers involving: sweepstakes, investments, travel, lotteries, debt consolidation, college loans, credit cards, business opportunities, etc...

In fact, at least one source refers to internet fraud as a telemarketing scam.

[cashjob]

Originally posted by DBE
Well all that interests me at the moment is what myecoms views on slander are, I don't want to wake up one morning to find i'm 4 sites down. I read the email they sent the other week, I don't know what prompted them to send it, unless someone was having another public slanging match.

Whatever I feel is irrelevant, but there seems to be more companies / hosts being aware of what trouble they can be in in slander/liable cases.

I did sent the traffic, direct to the forum, and GPTboycott supplied me with their usual text, so all in all, the job got done. Just a re-send to do on old links, and the other 2 sites to send from.

I'm not sure what John's View is about websites he hosts, but i'm sure that his new policy came in to effect because of some members in myecom were fighting all the time, and he's sinmply had enough of it. I personally am verry happy with the new policy.
If you want to know his position on this just e-mail him with the link to this post. I am sure he'll be interested to read it...... if he's got time that is ;)

[maxpro]

Yup me too!!! I started Emailtreasures a little over a year
ago and made it to the $25 payout with NO referrals and
was told I cheated. #1 I DON'T cheat #2 How can you cheat
on ol' Captain Billy Blue Balls with a 24 hr timer!!! And I
don't mean midnight to midnight but an actual 24 whole hrs
must pass!!!
Shame on you Cap'n Billy!!!!!!

[Keith]

Just sent paypal an email about this. I included a link to this thread. Hopefully they will post or do something about it

Keith

[DAzHiredGun]

Keith:

Great! I sent one to the wm of OzFree@it-net.com.au asking her to check in.

I'm curious. Has there been this much interest or involvement in past discussions? This is amazing.

[jojo8198]

I also got taken with e-mail treasures. They sent me the same message that I cheated. There is no way to cheat. How stupid do they think we are. I saved my messages from them and have sent many to them with no further replies. My three daughters also lost there money there. We all had over 25 dollars in there. I hope their is something we can do about Captain BILLY!!!!



Helen Bull NY

[DAzHiredGun]

JoJo:

We're all working on it - from differnt directions - but, it's coming together like pieces of a puzzle. As you can see from all the posts, there were quite a few people victimized; and, we've only scratched the surface. BTW, thanks for joining us; and, hang on to the emails you saved - they may be needed later.

[DAzHiredGun]

Oops! Looks like Lexie's 'typo fairy' got into my post. Sorry.

[trekrobyn]

Has anybody tried filing a complaint with the BBB (Better Business Bureau)? I just did that for Funny Money, and discovered that there were 20 other complaints at the BBB against them and that some of them received their money because of the complaints...

just a thought...

[jojo8198]

Thanks for the information. I hope we all get our money. Its not a whole lot but why should these company's get away with our money. Helen

[DAzHiredGun]

They shouldn't be allowed to. That's the purpose behind all the posts, Miss Helen. We're trying to do something about it.

ron

[DAzHiredGun]

How much did your daughters lose to ET?

[lexie]

Hi Everyone ,

I'm still around . Just not much for to do right now . Call on me if I can help in some way .

[Keith]

DAzHiredGun:

I will try, but maybe rob should do it. Because the last person i asked said no to me but said yes to rob?!? But i will try :D

Keith

[DAzHiredGun]

Mornin' Lexie!

Got a question. Since you're the whiz kid with the whois info - who was the wm of ET?

ron

[DAzHiredGun]

Thanks, Keith. Whatever you think is best is O.K. with me. I just felt like they owed you that much.

ron

[lexie]

Oh my !

There's an earlier post that list someone different ,

WHOIS info:

Shawn - webmaster@emailtreasures.com
12227 Irene
Southgate MI 48195
United States -- US
284-5515




but here's what I have .

Registrant:
Emailtreasures.com
Stevie Arnold
Southgate Mi
United States -- US

Administrative:
Stevie Arnold - webmaster@emailtreasures.com

Southgate MI
United States -- US



Technical:
Stevie Arnold - webmaster@emailtreasures.com

Southgate MI
United States -- US



Billing:
Stevie Arnold - webmaster@emailtreasures.com

Southgate MI
United States -- US



Name Servers:
NS.SITEPROTECT.COM

NS2.SITEPROTECT.COM


Created: 04/21/2001
Expiration: 04/21/2003

End of Whois Information.


I also found a few post on the MEC forum that has another person responding to e-mails .

MEC 5/10/02
I emailed "emailtreasure" yesterday about my gold membership and what good was it doing me if we got no paid emails, and I got a very prompt reply:

Hi XXXXXXX,

Understand what you are saying,the amount of email sent out is totally based
on the advertisers we get - no advertisers - no email.Basically we are going
to introduce referral money for gold members from the clicks they do which
will be good - and we are changing the entire site to attract more
advertisers to our email campaigns.If it doesnt get better I will refund
your money dont worry about that - we are trying our guts out to make it
better.In the last few months we have went from 169,000 most popular web
site in the world to around 60000 and I reckon in a few weeks the site will
be the top 50000.Doesnt sound great but when you think of the millions of
web sites out there its actually not easy at all to get even get a web site
in the top 100000.The more popular the site gets hopefully more advertisers
and more email etc.

It will get better,

Darren

Also, I got a paid email today with no link, I emailed them about it and got the link. They must think I am a "pain in the back-side" by now.

================
MEC 01/02/02
I have to say that I am totally impressed with Emailtreasures...less than 24 hours and I have a response. I wish all the GPTR sites were this responsive to us.

Hi XXXXXXX !

We are changing the paid to click very soon to members get paid every 24
hours for clicking.We just have to wait until advertisers(1 to12) run out of
clicks first as they have been told (by mistake) each one of their clicks
will be unique so the same person cant count towards their clicks.As soon as
they are about to run out we will get it changed to every 24hrs.To be honest
with you the paid to click isnt finished yet we just wanted to get it up and
running.

Until its changed to 24 hours you can see in the members area the amount of
paid clicks which is now 39 so you could click
24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38 and 39 and get paid if the day
before you had clicked up to 23.So the next day in the
members area it says the first 44 have clicks you could click 40-44.It wont
always be like this its just until the first 12 boxes burn out of clicks
which wont be that long now.Infact ive sent the web designer the email about
the changes earlier so it will be completed in a few days tops.


Regards,

Darren McAllen
EmailTreasures.com

[DAzHiredGun]

GO GIRL!!!! And you claim not to be an investigator - HA! Seems like I had a 'chat session' with someone else, though. I think the name was Murel-Gowen - but I'd have to go back and read my post re: EmailTreasures anyone? Depending on the criteria, this may turn out to be a violation of the RICO Act.

ron

[jojo8198]

We all lost between 25 and 30 dollars. That adds up to a lot of money when we find out how many others have been taken to.
Helen

[DAzHiredGun]

You're right - it will add up to a lot of money. There's something else to consider, too. Not only were the readers being defrauded, but I suspect the advertisers were also being defrauded. That way those running ET would have been making almost pure profit.

ron

[DAzHiredGun]

Considering ET's membership signed up with the promise of being paid and, in some instances receiving referals and more pay as 'gold' members, that has itself been an act of fraud when ET accused members of cheating to avoid payment ; what would have kept ET from accepting money from advertisers for ads they didn't run?

ron

[DAzHiredGun]

There's no telling how much money these people have made through this scam - or even if this is the first one they've pulled off.

ron

[DAzHiredGun]

Lexie, there definitely is something strange about the ET wm info. I keep coming up with Paul Hoey as registrant, adm., tech, billing, etc. Date created 4/21/01; expires 4/21/03. Hoey's address is United States. Sound to you like he doesn't want to be found? Registrar is: Stargate Communications, Inc., 2805 Butterfield Road Suite 100, Oak Brook, IL 60523.

ron

[lexie]

How can we discover who owns ET at this time ? Wonder if winterone could get John to say ?

[winterone]

hi! I can give him a call. will write down some of this info you all are giving. can see its getting deeper and deeper..wow!

[charmeyn]

Hey, Maybe that's why ET's mascot logo is a Pirate and the crook jumped ship and left his crew to go down with the ship

[DAzHiredGun]

iPowerweb had to be receiving payment for hosting from someone with a billing address. The question is: Will they be willing to release the information without a subpoena?

ron

[aquinn21]

Anyone remember the news item that said 'we sent payments out a few days early before the end of the month and added some cents to the cashout'? I think it was right before the end of April. That to me was the first sign something very strange was going on...it's not like they had a monthly payout schedule or anything. I now totally think it was an effort to get people to "keep on clicking" right up to the end. Ugh.

- a l e x

[BaroqueXena]

Yes, I remember that item. I should have realised, still it's easy to say that with hindsight. I think I was just so pleased to be close to payout with my first program.

[angmassey]

My husband and I used them for advertising. I received the email 3 times. He didn't receive it at all so he had no idea how many times it was sent to the members. I was not pleased but just wrote them off as not a place to advertise.

We had quit using them any way. We had signed up with a downline builder program and they were on it but when they redid the list of programs that they recommended they took EmailTreasures off so we just didn't fool with them.

I should have known not to use them for advertising.

[DAzHiredGun]

Hey folks! What is with the silence? No news, no updates?

rwn

[lexie]

How's the data base coming fella's?

[Keith]

We cant get it to work. :( Something's wrong with the upload part. Maybe we should just take that part off.

Keith

[DAzHiredGun]

Well folks, here's a little something new. I received an email that had a banner ad for 'Treasuresurfing.com'. Wondering if it might tie back to ET, I clicked on it and got a not found message - very similar to what is now displayed when attempting to sign up at ET. So, I went back to ET and at the bottom of the 'contact us' page is a link to Treasuresurfing.com. I've checked one whois source and have come up with Yong Hahn in NJ. The name denotes Chinese or Asian ancestry. I've been wondering why there were so many $5 winners in China.

ron

[lexie]

Hi ,

Looks like other post were imported into this one ??

I think that we should start putting the info together without the upload function working before this grows cold . Maybe just use email for now ???

[Keith]

Ok finally! I got a script that will allow users to submit their info. If you have any suggestions let me know. Oh yeah should we allow people to submit even if they have under then $25?

The url is http://www.gptboycott.com/emailtreasures

Keith

[DAzHiredGun]

To answer your question, yes, they should be allowed to submit their loss regardless of amount.

From a prosecution standpoint, one of the factors determining whether a "property" crime is a misdemeanor or felony - is the monetary value of the loss incurred. Some states use degrees of felonies and misdemeanors, while others (including MS) have a minimum requirement for felonies. The minimum requirement may vary from state to state. Regardless of the respective minimum, this can conceivably be met with a large number of victims suffering small monetary losses.

[lexie]

Ok ! Do we need to get another e-mail out to update members on where to go to upload their losses ??

[Rob]

Yeah I think we do...

Trouble is, only Keith knows how being the technical guy lol.

Rob

[Keith]

Originally posted by Rob
Yeah I think we do...

Trouble is, only Keith knows how being the technical guy lol.

Rob

:D What do i have to do??

Keith

[Rob]

LOL keep up Keith...

Send a message to all the forum members etc giving them the URL to report EmailTreasures losses :)

Rob

[DAzHiredGun]

Awwwww shoot, he can't help it, Rob - he's from the "show me" state; he's a "good ole boy" though....LOL

ron

[Keith]

lol I will send out an email sometime today

Keith

[Keith]

The list now has 26 complaints and about $240 owed! :)

Just thought that i would update you.

Keith

[DAzHiredGun]

Great! Thanks for the tally update.

ron

[lexie]

When the magic number $250 mark is met , do we then contact the District Atty office with the complaint ?

[mailman86]

I took the liberty of posting the http://www.gptboycott.com/emailtreasures link on the MyCoupons Rewards Programs forum.
I see it's up to 54 complaints now and $486.

[Keith]

Thanks mailman! Now it's 57 with $522. Ok now what do we do with this info?

Keith

[Rob]

The information...

Well it'll help our case no doubt more if we can get above $250?

If we give it one-two more days before doing anything, we might get more complaints etc.?

Rob

[DAzHiredGun]

Remember, TIME is on our side.

For now, spreading the word of the nature of the complaint, the existance of "the list" and its location AND giving people ample time to respond is what is needed - in my opinion.

By giving the victims time to come forward, we build a stronger case, increasing both the number of victims and losses incurred.

When the numbers stop climbing, move on to the next step.

What's the general consensus?

[lexie]

I've sent out an update to RD members . Maybe DBE might too ??

[lexie]

BTW , I want to say that I believe this is one for the books . We are making GPT history and I believe this forums popularity is going to grow and grow and grow .

[Rob]

Well I sure hope so lexie :)

[DAzHiredGun]

I'll second that, Lexie! Looks like we added about 150 members since mid-July when this discussion started getting warmed up.

I know I've really enjoyed the different discussions and feel like I've made a few friends - almost like family; and, I certainly don't think one could ask for better or more genuinely concerned moderators than Keith, Rob and Taff.

Rewards devine, huh, Lex.

[lexie]

Ya'll certainly are :)

[lexie]

Hi DAz ,

I have a question for ya if ya don't mind . Are GPT earners like employees to the GPT program owner -- in the eyes of the law ?

[Rob]

Wow, thanks for the kind comments DAzHiredGun :)

Makes the site worth running when we hear kind comments, and we know we've helped people.

As for Keith and Taff, yeah they are both great moderators, I'd like to keep Taff on permanently and I know Keith would too... hint hint ;)

Hehe :)

We've broken $600!
Number of complaints: 68
Amount of money owed: $603.11

Rob

Originally posted by DAzHiredGun
I know I've really enjoyed the different discussions and feel like I've made a few friends - almost like family; and, I certainly don't think one could ask for better or more genuinely concerned moderators than Keith, Rob and Taff.

[DAzHiredGun]

Lex:

Your question sounds as if it should have a yes or no answer, but I don't think it's quite that simple. I can only offer an opinion since the internet is relatively new - as far as legal issues are concerned.

Personally, I think the answer lies in the TOS of the respective GPT program. Some, through their TOS, seem to deny any connection with or responsibility to their members; yet, others do not. Those that limit their responsibility to their members, in my opinion, give rise to questions of their honesty. Perhaps the questions are unwarranted - perhaps not. High pay out also leads to such questions - as has been evidenced in this forum.

Personally, I am of the opinion the GPT program owner entered into his/her respective venture with one basic thing in mind - making money. To do so, he/she has to rely on two things: advertising and membership. This is where the contractual obligations come into play. The GPT program owner essentially becomes "the middle man" (B) by contracting with party (A) to advertise a product or service to the members (C), who have agreed by contract to receive said advertisements for the contracted rate of pay.

In that scenario, (C) is employed by (B) who is employed by (A) - all through contractual agreements. This is only my opinion, not having researched the question.

Like I said to start with, the internet is fairly new; hence, internet law is in its early stages. We may find ourselves "setting precedent" with this ET issue. In other words, we may cause some law to be written - if none exists - to specifically cover some of the issues that have arisen out of this discussion. You, and all who have contributed to this discussion, should be extremely proud of what you've done - none of which may ever have transpired had it not been for GPTBoycott, what it stands for and the pride, integrity and moral character of people such as you, Rob, Keith and Taff - mentioning only a few of the many members possessing the same traits.

I will try to research your question and find a more direct answer for you. Thanks for asking.

ron

[lexie]

Oh my goodness . I've made you work hard over this eh ? Didn't mean to make you go to so much trouble but I do know you're really interested . What a blessing to have you here ! Thank you :)

Let me tell you why I asked . I was watching The Peoples Court yesterday . Drives my husband nuts , but I love shows like this .... and The Weakest Link :) He likes Dragon Ball Z * rolls eyes *

*Aside* Anyone notice what a snot Judge Judy has become ? Sheez ! I would never volunteer to appear in her court ! I think when ppl started using the term b**** as a dispairaging slang term , they must have had her in mind . I'd beg her and the Lord's pardon for saying that but the truth is , I believe she knows and may even take some pride in it .

Anyway , a fella sued an employer for overtime he wasn't paid and was awarded double because the employer violated -- I think it was The Fair Labor Standard ( Act? )

In a way , I hope this applys and that the word gets out so that program owers will think twice before simply scamming their members .

One day I expect to open the news paper and see GPT Boycott in the head lines as a group that set new precedence (sp?) in internet law :) Get ready to double your bandwidth Rob and Keith .

Dang typo fairy .

[DAzHiredGun]

Thank you for those kind words - spoken as a true "Southern Lady", I might add.

Believe me, the pleasure is all mine. I do take an interest in this site and really want to see it work for Keith and Rob - and for the benefit of those who visit here.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if we do, in fact, set some legal precedence by either causing some new laws to be written, or existing laws to be amended, to apply directly to internet business practices.

What I have found to be most gratifying has been the interest shown by the membership here and the willingness to "get involved" - seemingly without hesitation.

I hope everyone realizes the importance of their individual contributions, no matter how small or insignificant it may seem at the time. "From the tiniest of pebbles a mountain grows..."

ron

[ldybgsgma]

Paid for gold membership. Was up to about $17.00. Now nothing.

[mailman86]

Can someone fix the wonky sentence under the Emailtreasures headline on GPT Boycott's homepage:

"If you had an account with them and wasent able to get your money..."

[Rob]

Sure, I'll fix that right away...
sorry about that.

Rob

[Rob]

Done, and for the record I never typed it originally ;)

[DAzHiredGun]

By all means - please keep the record straight ! LOL

Looks like the numbers are still climbing, Rob.


ron

[Rob]

Yep, they are :)

Although most people are adding their name to say they've been scammed, and putting a value of 0.00 down?!

Maybe they can't remember the exact figure/s?

Rob

[lexie]

WOW ! Losses are up to over 1200$'s

[DAzHiredGun]

Just wanted to update you folks on the research LEXIE assigned me, LOL, to make sure I earn my keep while I'm here !

As I suspected, I am hitting dead ends tryings to locate case law specifically addressing PTR programs. However, I am finding a number of avenues available for reporting suspected fraud via the internet.

Listed below are primarily federal agencies which list and discuss a number of different types of internet fraud. Included in the list are the Federal Trade Commission, the United States Dept. of Justice, the Internet Fraud Complaint Center ( which is a partnership between the FBI & Nat'l White Collar Crime Center ) and the National Fraud Information Center.

Perhaps you will find this of some interest. You may find, as I have, that you are receiving email offers that fit the profile of fraudulent activity described in a few of these sites.

http://www.ftc.gov
http://www.usdoj.gov/
http://www.ifccfbi.gov
http://www.fraud.org
http://www.internetfraud.usdoj.gov/


ron

[dtuleya]

I'd love to join the list, but unfortunately I don't remember how much they owe me. I wasn't gold status and wasn't near to cashing out, but I was gaining ground. This program was the reason I found and joined this board. Want to be informed before I join some of the others.

[DAzHiredGun]

dtuleya,

Don't be concerned about the exact amount. Just use an honest estimate, even if it was only $.50, and sign up. I have a feeling this is going to take some time before the word really gets out.

How and when did you happen to hear about the list here? If was through a member here, I'd like to extend my thanks. BTW, welcome to GPTBoycott.

ron

[dtuleya]

I think I my balance was around $6-7. If I remember correctly, someone mentioned this board on the Disney Awards message boards (probably Malificients2). Glad to know that there's a place that I can come to for information about rewards programs before I invest time and effort into them.

[DAzHiredGun]

Thanks for the info. Glad you're here.

ron

[DAzHiredGun]

We're up to $2075.70 in reported losses and 163 complaints filed! Any thoughts on resending ads/letters or updating previous posts in other forums to acknowledge the fact we are actually making headway?

ron

[lexie]

Sure , I can do that . What should I put in the message ??

[Rob]

Just to let members know that this thread hasn't been forgotten about.

We are indeed considering the next step to take, and wish to make an official complaint to the relevant authorities as soon as possible.

Rob

[BaroqueXena]

I've just bumped up the post at GPF. Anything else I can do, let me know.

[lexie]

Originally posted by Rob
Just to let members know that this thread hasn't been forgotten about.

We are indeed considering the next step to take, and wish to make an official complaint to the relevant authorities as soon as possible.

Rob

Great ! You guys keep us updated please .

[BaroqueXena]

I've just received a link which contains 13 other forums if you want to spread the word. Unfortunately I haven't got time, this is a flying visit, 22nd December, I've got flu and haven't done any Xmas shopping yet. Aaaarrgghh.

[DAzHiredGun]

Xena,

If you'll either PM me the link or post it, I'll handle the rest. I intend to file the complaint A.S.A.P., but will wait for additional responses.

Thanks,

Ron


Flu - yuck, sorry you're feelin' bad. Hope you're well before Christmas and enjoy the holidays!

[BaroqueXena]

I can't believe I didn't post the link, I had it ready and forgot to paste it!

http://www.getpaiddirectory.com/Forum_on_Get_Paid_Programs/

Thanks for the concern, I can't let myself get to bad, tomorrow is one heck of a day, shopping, wrapping, sending them off to Santa..................

Merry Christmas to you all and hope you have a great holiday :)

[DAzHiredGun]

Thanks, Xena.

We wish you all the best and the merriest of Christmas !!

Say Hi to Santa for us, we're tryin' to be gooooood !

Ron

[DAzHiredGun]

It seems as if someone connected with the now defunct EmailTreasures IS STILL trying to pick up cash on the net. Check out who the referrer is and a 2-Opt partner. Thanks to Ryan B. for providing the link: http://2-opt.com/signup.asp?ref=emailtrea & http://2-opt.com/partners.asp


Ron

[BaroqueXena]

Has anybody else noticed a new company that started today, called MailTreasures.com?

It could be coincidence, but they offer the same $10 sign up bonus and payout is at $30 whereas EmailTreasures was $25.

[lexie]

Originally posted by DAzHiredGun
Mornin' Lexie!

Got a question. Since you're the whiz kid with the whois info - who was the wm of ET?

ron

Hi DAz ,

I was looking around some tonight and I came accross this , which is someone different than found in the earlier search . Thought it could be important and useful -- if the other lead turns out cold .

Domain: emailtreasures.com
Registrant: Emailtreasures.com
Paul Hoey
,
United States -- US
Administrative: Paul Hoey

,
United States -- US
Phone:
Fax:
administ@emailtreasures.com

Technical: Paul Hoey

,
United States -- US
Phone:
Fax:
tech@emailtreasures.com

Billing: Paul Hoey

,
United States -- US
Phone:
Fax:
billing@emailtreasures.com

Name Servers: NS.SITEPROTECT.COM

NS2.SITEPROTECT.COM


Domain created: 04/21/2001
Domain expires: 04/21/2003

########
Also found this an edited a bit just cuz I don't wanna get into any trouble , even though I found that on yahoo . Edit it more if you see the need .


Paul Hoey
Behling Rd
Boyne City , MI (231) 58*-0924


Paul Hoey
Behling Rd
Ellsworth , MI (231) 58*-5779

[lexie]

Originally posted by lexie
Oh my !

There's an earlier post that list someone different ,



but here's what I have .

Registrant:
Emailtreasures.com
Stevie Arnold
Southgate Mi
United States -- US

Administrative:
Stevie Arnold - webmaster@emailtreasures.com

Southgate MI
United States -- US



Technical:
Stevie Arnold - webmaster@emailtreasures.com

Southgate MI
United States -- US



Billing:
Stevie Arnold - webmaster@emailtreasures.com

Southgate MI
United States -- US



Name Servers:
NS.SITEPROTECT.COM

NS2.SITEPROTECT.COM


Created: 04/21/2001
Expiration: 04/21/2003

End of Whois Information.


I also found a few post on the MEC forum that has another person responding to e-mails .

MEC 5/10/02
I emailed "emailtreasure" yesterday about my gold membership and what good was it doing me if we got no paid emails, and I got a very prompt reply:

Hi XXXXXXX,

Understand what you are saying,the amount of email sent out is totally based
on the advertisers we get - no advertisers - no email.Basically we are going
to introduce referral money for gold members from the clicks they do which
will be good - and we are changing the entire site to attract more
advertisers to our email campaigns.If it doesnt get better I will refund
your money dont worry about that - we are trying our guts out to make it
better.In the last few months we have went from 169,000 most popular web
site in the world to around 60000 and I reckon in a few weeks the site will
be the top 50000.Doesnt sound great but when you think of the millions of
web sites out there its actually not easy at all to get even get a web site
in the top 100000.The more popular the site gets hopefully more advertisers
and more email etc.

It will get better,

Darren

Also, I got a paid email today with no link, I emailed them about it and got the link. They must think I am a "pain in the back-side" by now.

================
MEC 01/02/02
I have to say that I am totally impressed with Emailtreasures...less than 24 hours and I have a response. I wish all the GPTR sites were this responsive to us.

Hi XXXXXXX !

We are changing the paid to click very soon to members get paid every 24
hours for clicking.We just have to wait until advertisers(1 to12) run out of
clicks first as they have been told (by mistake) each one of their clicks
will be unique so the same person cant count towards their clicks.As soon as
they are about to run out we will get it changed to every 24hrs.To be honest
with you the paid to click isnt finished yet we just wanted to get it up and
running.

Until its changed to 24 hours you can see in the members area the amount of
paid clicks which is now 39 so you could click
24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38 and 39 and get paid if the day
before you had clicked up to 23.So the next day in the
members area it says the first 44 have clicks you could click 40-44.It wont
always be like this its just until the first 12 boxes burn out of clicks
which wont be that long now.Infact ive sent the web designer the email about
the changes earlier so it will be completed in a few days tops.


Regards,

Darren McAllen
EmailTreasures.com
This is one of the earlier looks ups . Trying to put them together so the searchin' isn't so hard . BTW , I think there is another also .

[lexie]

Originally posted by aquinn21
I think what we need is a good lawyer and a class-action suit. ;)

WHOIS info:

Shawn - webmaster@emailtreasures.com
12227 Irene
Southgate MI 48195
United States -- US
284-5515

Anyone in Michigan want to check it out for us?

- a l e x

Here's the other tOO .

[lexie]

Originally posted by BaroqueXena
Has anybody else noticed a new company that started today, called MailTreasures.com?

It could be coincidence, but they offer the same $10 sign up bonus and payout is at $30 whereas EmailTreasures was $25.

The same thoughts went thru my head when I saw this one too !

-------------

Checked and it's reg'ed to a woman in Broken Arrow OK

[Poncer]

Thanks Lexie. I just checked it myself and was going to report it myself. I concur that Lexie is correct about it being in Broken Bow, Oklahoma.

[BaroqueXena]

Fair enough. I just thought it was a coincidence. I don't think that this woman can know about EmailTreasures though, or she would have picked a different name!

[Poncer]

Or moved once she knew she was in trouble.

[BaroqueXena]

I have noticed that on the boycott EmailTreasures page the number of complaints and amount of money owed have both gone back to 0.

Is this info saved anywhere?

And is anything likely to come of this info?

[Rob]

The information IS saved, I'm glad to report.

With the server move, a lot of the main site has gaps.

I'll leave your other question here for Ron to answer.

Rob

[BaroqueXena]

Thanks Rob :)

I see that it is back now. The reason I noticed is that when I bookmarked GPTBoycott I did it on that page so I could see if the total altered before coming to the discussion forum. This was back when the total used to alter every day.

[Rob]

Yes, it is indeed back! :)

Thanks Cynthia ;)

Rob

[Shawn Frazier]

Hello to all... And Yes this is the REAL Shawn Frazier. Well I first want to say I FEEL TERRIBLE for the way you all have been treated. Yes I did own Emailtreasures.com at one time. I had the site created when the Paid 2 read email was all the rage. I decided it was a bit much for me to handle so in August of 2001 I sold the site on Ebay for $499.00. This was BEFORE 1 person was even close to being paid the $25.00. The agreement of the sale was that the new owner would handle ALL payouts.

I just today thought man what ever happened to that site. I go there and nothing??? So I do a google search.... I see the first link gptboycott.com MAN I was FLOORED to see what I was reading!!! Yes I did have some work done by Paul over at ISAAF.com he did a banner for the site and was great to work with. I did just try to email him to explain the situation but it bounced back to me.

I do have some good news for all of you though. This has been bugging me all day and I have been looking for any info I could find on the guy I sold it to. I couldn't remember his name, email or anything. Until I seen in one post that he signed his name in one of the emails that someone had posted Darren and I thought YES that was his name. I also did a search as many of you on register.com for the who is. I couldn't understand why my name was still on there he was suppose to change that. I sent him the paper work from register.com and he said he was going to pay the transfer fee. I than left it at that. So, I thought man Ill look on ebay to see if that auction would still be there. Of course not its been over 2 years. Well let me try Paypal that's how he paid BAM It was still there. I will post it after this. And yes I do have his info to post as well. I do first want to say Im sorry to all of you for this happening. I NEVER had any intention of something like this. I didn't make any money off this site. Every dollar that came in while I owned it went right back out in advertising. I paid $500 to http://www.indiasoftwaresolution.com/index.html to build the site.

If you all remember back all email replies were from a Darren McAllen Not Shawn Frazier.


Well this is all the info that I have and will be checking back in a few days. I see that know one has posted in a few month. Sorry again :( and Marry Christmas

I went into my paypal and found the transaction look:

Total Amount:
$499.00 USD Fee Amount:
-$14.77 USD Net Amount:
$484.23 USD
---------------------------------

Insurance:
$0.00 USD Item Amount:
$499.00 USDShipping:
$0.00 USD Handling:
$0.00 USDQuantity:
1Item Title:
Paid to Read Email Site Forsale!! Item Number:
1628104905 Date:
Aug. 18, 2001 Time:
06:22:23 PDT Status:
Completed
---------------------------------


Shipping Address:

EmailTreasures
Darren McAllen
11 Lower Braniel Road
Belfast, County Antrim
BT5 7JR
United Kingdom

[lexie]

Had hoped this guy was in the US . Thanks for the update Shawn .

Merry Christmas to you too :c)

[Rob]

Hi Shawn,

Many thanks to you for posting this information, and having the good grace to e-mail me personally to inform me of your post.

Merry Christmas to you. Please check your e-mail as I will be contacting you in the hope of talking to you further, perhaps with the aim of finding answers to many of the questions raised over the last few years.

Rob