Cyberdistributeur - its a joke!

[buchanan17]

Anyone read his profit and loss statement

http://www.cyberdistributeur.com/balancesheet2002.html

he has 800 income in one month, but 15,000 expenditure, he says!

he paid 500 pounds to Goclick - why?!!!

He ahs paid motel bills (in setting up a paid email site)

he complains his members don't sign up for CJ and other affiliate leads...why should they - he isn't allowed to incentivise leads.

he isn't paying at all! all those points for nothing

he is a joke!

[Jaikula]

He/she has put in a lot of personal expenses on that page. It will be interesting to see what is paid out in two days time.

[Jaikula]

Okay, it's now almost two days after there should have been the points to dollars conversion. Yet, they havent done so, instead all the emails they send basically say unless you are signing up for whatever the email is, whether it be for a GPTR or a casino, then dont click the link...

I have clicked a couple of links of late only to find that the point value is no longer set at 10 points like they used to be, but at 1 point. I have also noticed that in the past day that the number of members has dropped from being over 600 to about 550.

AS was at the start he posted his costs and such, but he isnt willing to pay his people that sign up because according to him he has no money to do so.

If he is doing anything to pay his members then that is good, but it seems that he wants people to sign up programs just so he can pay us. I think he has lost the meaning of GPTR programs if all he sends out are things that pay him.

I am going to stay with him for a bit longer and see what happens.

[aaronavouris]

I believe he delayed all payments until the next cycle, where there might actually be earnings to convert to.

[Jaikula]

Well I'm going to wait until the next cycle in about three months time. I cant click any links though because to click a link means I have to sign up for what I am clicking on, which makes it a bit unfair for those that cant join up with something because they are either a) already part of that program, or b) not able to because htey dont have a credit card (as in casinos)

[iamfreebiewoman]

i've been back and forth and over and over again to and fro on this one... i can't decide whether to keep it or let it go, at this point my loss is minimal, with only 1 referral under me and 11,000+ points....

now i am not trying to construe roger <cyberdistributeur.com webmaster> of anything shady by any means... the couple of times i have corresponded with him via email he was quite personable.... but there are some things after thoroughly going thru the program that just don't quite add up for me...

most recently, the balance sheet has thrown me into a tiffy... i have 3 college degrees in business, and there are some things on there that make me say hmmm, whats that.... the AAT, ATT <im assuming thats phone charges>, Telecom <more phone charges> ok.... fine there..... but adecco? thats a temp agency.... two entries for that, the capital one makes me a bit nervous, thats a credit card company but that could be for hosting or whatnot so thats a maybe.... the two that really get me are the motel 6's and the yellow pages for 500+... ehhhhhhh..... i dunno... maybe..... maybe not.... tuff to tell..... by just whats given...

i was waiting to see what kind of payout i would get for my 11,000+ points with one referral, before i began plugging the program... before i recruit beyond my "one buddy" i drag along with me everywhere lol... otherwise i test out myself first.. just my policy.... but, according to the balance sheet and the webmaster, roger isnt going to convert the points to cash this quarter.... so now, do i wait it out, since i have only my own time vested into this, or do i go?

a couple of other tiffs i have about this program... <not that there aren't oodles of banners to click for points mind you and he does send regular mail, but, your not suppose to click on the links if you arent going to sign up for the program or the services or make a purchase for something>.... this recent enforcement of "don't click on a link if you are not going to sign up for the program/service", bothers me quite a bit.... with normal advertising, you purchase advertising and whoever is interested in the program or service, or those that just want the incentive for the advertisement, click the ad, that includes advertising with a certain number of allocated hits for it.... even with targeted advertising, you buy the ad, your ad goes out to the members of that list that have expressed interest in that type of business or service, and they click the link either because they are interested or because of the incentive offered.... i can understand, because i have many search accounts of my own, how frustrating it is to pay for a certain number of clicks of advertising for a search, and to have people click it and not do the search... but to tell people to NOT click links that offer incentives if they are not interested in the service or product, is a little close to the edge for me, especially considering that the majority of the advertisements that come thru email and that are in the paid to click section, are ads for searches, casinos, affiliate stores and GPT email and link programs... im already a member of over 200+ GPT programs.... and already a member of every GPT hes advertised so far... what, do i not click those links because im already a member? what if i don't do casinos as a customer, but i might be interested in signing up as an affiliate? do i click or not click? what about shopping? what if i dont shop there normally, but i might see something i like there, since i already know in my mind i wouldnt normally buy from that site, do i not click the link? then you are missing out on potential sales, because i might have seen something i really wanted that i wouldnt normally buy.... theres just not a clear line there.... what if im not interested in any of the paid to click banners, or any of the links in the email? should i resign from the program because theres nothing there that interests me, and ive been told not to click if im not interested, or do i stay and just be inactive? there are many benefits for advertising, that range from getting referrals or affiliates under you, to getting someone to make a purchase of your product/service, to just generating traffic to your website or affiliate program..... i dont really see how you can be doing your paying advertisers much benefit by telling your members, oh yeah the advertiser paid for this ad, but if your not going to purchase or spend money or whatever then dont click the ad please.... henceforth, that advertiser could have just lost a sale or referral... unless of course.....

the more and more i look at this, the more i begin to think that almost all the advertising, both email and clicks on his site, are his own advertising links..... and if you couple that with high expenses, then the payout per point would be very low.... i have over 11,000+ points and i have YET to see a redemption option on my redeem page for a piece of advertising, but, then again most all the banners are 10 points each, so i might just not have gotten there yet, so benefit of the doubt on that one... so i have no idea how many you have to have to be able to redeem for something.... <it doesnt tell you in the advertising section, thats only for those paying CASH for ads>.... if thats the case, if they are his affiliate programs mostly, and hes recruiting to get folks under them, to get to payout on his programs quicker, to then be able to fund this program, to be able to pay his members each quarter.... that would be a very viscious cycle...... like borrowing from one credit card to pay another, or robbing from peter to pay paul... same simple principle....

as i said, i hope this IS NOT the case..... and im not incinuating that it is, its just sure starting to model that to me anyways.... and ultimately, i dont know if its going to be worth me putting in another three months to find out what the payout is going to be.... my educated hypothesis is that the payout may not be worth the effort, especially since i cant click on things that im not going to sign up for or make purchase.... what if im PMSing and i dont like anything before me that particular day LOL....

anyways, id love feedback on this post, for those of you who are inclined to do so... thanks for the read....

[Rob]

I have to say this is the most ridiculous expenses/income sheet I could ever wish to see for a paid e-mail site.

How on Earth can he justify motel payments and Amazon France purchases being anything to do with a paid e-mail site?!

Rob

[iamfreebiewoman]

well its definately in a very confusing format... i highly recommend a spreadsheet for such things lol.... and theres some things im definately not sure about on there.... i agree with you rob..... why is it an expense for motel 6 to have to leave the light on for roger lol...... what do ya think? think we gotta nuther arthur anderson on our hands or what LOL!?!?!

:::wondering to self how many other people will actually read the previous book <post> i wrote besides rob:::

[Jaikula]

Dont know what is up with his members number though. Yesterday when I looked at my account his membership count was below 400, now it's on 400. I think a lot of people are either not happy and have quit and others have joined unaware of what he expects.

[susiesue]

Have any of you been paid by this program ?

[Jaikula]

Originally posted by susiesue
Have any of you been paid by this program ?

I havent and that's because hte points havent been converted. There are some that won competitions, I dont know if they got paid, but it would be nice to know if they did.

[Jaikula]

Mind my french here, but this bastard is SELLING, that's right, SELLING email address. Taken from his website on his advertising page.

250 millions email addresses download for $49
250 millions email addresses monthly subscription for updates for $9.99

THEN he dares to push an anti spam clause on his site.

Spam:

You may not promote your referral links through unsolicited emailing (i.e. SPAMMING), newsgroup postings, or any other method of mass communication. Failure to comply will result in immediate termination of your membership with Cyberpay4u and may result in legal prosecution. Cyberpay4u strictly enforces anti-spamming laws. Spamming is a federal crime in the USA. Any member caught spamming will not only have their account terminated immediately and lose any past, present and future earnings, but shall also be held liable for Spamming as we shall cooperate with any authorities and investigations that may arise from the Spamming incident. Cyberpay4u may charge up to $5 per spam email sent. Multiple signups shall be grounds for immediate termination of all involved accounts. Signing up multiple times from the same computer also constitutes fraud. Cyberpay4u will file charges for recovery of any earnings received from multiple signups.


I've posted this on a couple of sites, so if you see it in more than one place you know what....

What's to say he isnt selling ours. I'd like to see his email lists of that amount.

[iamfreebiewoman]

lets see..... $5 per spam email sent, times 250 million.... whoevers dividing up them earnings partner, count me in lol.... ill gladly trade my spam for $5 a pop lol......

[iamfreebiewoman]

well lol guess ive been dumped by good ole roger lol..... a couple of days after i made this post on the GPTBoycott boards, i stopped getting email from Cyberdistributeur.... i was going to close my account once i made sure that my referrals had closed their accounts under me, and got verification that they had from the last one today, and went to login and close my account, and was told my username and password was invalid.... so i guess he closed my account for me how nice of him lol..... again, i say... anyhow..... dont post anywhere and say anything resembling negativity or he might close your account too. thank goodness tho, nothing lost on that program but wasted time.... obviously!

[Jaikula]

If he was closing accounts then I'd like to know how. I havent been able to login these past couple of days and was told by him there was a db glitch. Just have to wait and see I guess

[susiesue]

Cant even login now, looks like he's done a runner with our money :-(

[Jaikula]

Originally posted by susiesue
Cant even login now, looks like he's done a runner with our money :-(


Database is down:

Total Members

0

[Jaikula]

According to him on the yahoo group for Cyber, the site was hacked hte other day and that's why it was showing 0 members. I just logged in to find that I have no points showing there. He says he has a programmer on it right now, but something sounds fishy, I'm giving it about a week to see if I get the 9000+ points I have there returned to normal before I start a full campaign on this guy.

[susiesue]

Same here, all my points have gone, 24,000
should have seen it coming as no one has ever been paid from this program

[susiesue]

I mailed him, got my points back plus an extra 1,000 but he's not converting the points, so I wont bother clicking there anymore,

[Jaikula]

Originally posted by susiesue
I mailed him, got my points back plus an extra 1,000 but he's not converting the points, so I wont bother clicking there anymore,

Your lucky... Aint got mine back... but I've added him to my filter list now, not going to bother unsubscribing...

[serenemom]

I unsubscribed from this program due to the constant demanding of "don't click the link if you're not going to sign up".

After I found out that points weren't going to be converted I decided that this program just wasn't worth 'sticking it out' anymore.

I jope the others who have chosen to stay are not as dissapointed as I think they will be in the end.

[Jaikula]

I've unsub'd as well... didnt get my points back when I sent an email...