Boycott Bournemouth Breeze

[freecashspace]

Bournemouth Breeze needs to get on the Boycott List as fast as possible. If it can't be automatically added based on the fact that it is owned by Tony Bishop, owner of one of the biggest scams in the history of PTR, then we need to get the required number of official boycott complaints filed ASAP.

And I'd like to take a minute to say once again that I think it would be better for the entire PTR community if boycotts were applied to all programs owned by the same person. In this case, it's seems reasonable to me that any and all programs owned by TonyB should be boycotted. And the same for the his co-owner and partner-in-crime Georgina.

Cheers,

Wil

[trulyfair]

I second that!

[Josh]

The number of lies in direct contradiction to evidence, being posted by Tony and Georgie over at GPF, is amazing. Thinking that Tony has changed, as unbelievable as it already is, becomes even more unfathomable after hearing him spout out lie after lie.

People are simply ignoring the truth here. Nothing has changed. We're playing with the same dealer who has the same ace up his sleeve, and nobody wants to listen to the past and what it has to share with us and to teach us about, so here we are preparing to go through everything again.

[bellestraker]

I do not think that boycotts should be applied based on the personal mud slinging and classless actions shown by Tony and Georgie in the gpf thread..
BUT..anyone who can throw their members and "their team" aside with the callousness of Tony B is someone who every newbie should be warned about...and every oldie reminded again of how little regard he has for either his word or his responsibilities.

I think that every person who opens a business should have a chance to prove that they choose to run it honestly but in this case...although I do not believe that Georgie is responsible for the site debt at AGGPTR .. she has clearly shown where she stands on the issues of responsibility,trust and fair play and based on that...I would say.

Count me In..


Belle

[genie]

And I'd like to take a minute to say once again that I think it would be better for the entire PTR community if boycotts were applied to all programs owned by the same person. In this case, it's seems reasonable to me that any and all programs owned by TonyB should be boycotted. And the same for the his co-owner and partner-in-crime Georgina.

Cheers,

Wil

I dont know the history but I do agree. ANY programme owner who has done the dirty on members in/on a previous site cannot be given the chance to do it again. From what I have read on various forums and from admin mails from some of the programmes I belong to, it seems that this happens all to often. It needs to come to light so that people like me who dont know the history of owners and sites can make an informed choice as to joining a programme or not.

[RBNLOVESPOH]

I totally agree that Bournemouth Breeze and ALL sites owned or co-owned by these 2 people should be boycotted. If Tony treated the members of Aprils like that what is to say it won't happen again. Also, Georgie is now with him on this she should also be boycotted!
The comments made on GPF is enough for me to vote for 100% Boycott:)

[RBNLOVESPOH]

Everyone is allowed their own opinion.
Maybe I was wrong in suggesting Georgie should be boycotted but Tony and his sites still should be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

This is a thread to get Tony and Bournemouth Breeze and his other sites boycotted. NOT a thread to argue and discuss like at GPF.

[chanell]

i been a member of penny-pusher owned by Georgie and I been paid several times even though it is a ad only site with a twist. So I know Georgie is a honest and truthful person i known her for 3 years now and she is a excellant person, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO BOYCOTT ANY OF HER SITE

Now on the other hand I don't know tony or to care about what you all say about him but bournebreeze ptr is a wonderful site that i can say that i have been paid 2 randomly SO I DON'T THINK BOYCOTTING THIS SITE IS A GOOD IDEA EITHER. NOR BOYCOTTING ANY OF HIS SITES.

[RBNLOVESPOH]

Yes we are all entitled to comment.

And yes you was wrong to suggest georgie be boycotted..

I still stick to my decission.

ANSWER THIS:
Do you really think someone like Brian (class-act-clicks) would involve him-self with a dishonest person?

Thanks
Lee

Everyone makes mistakes from time to time.
I do not know Brian but I am sure he has a very good reputation and is a very honest person. Just because he deals with Tony does not mean that he does not deal with dishonest people.
I have a few friends that are not that honest either. I do not see them that often but I am always getting on them about their dishonesty!!!

[RBNLOVESPOH]

i been a member of penny-pusher owned by Georgie and I been paid several times even though it is a ad only site with a twist. So I know Georgie is a honest and truthful person i known her for 3 years now and she is a excellant person, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO BOYCOTT ANY OF HER SITE

Now on the other hand I don't know tony or to care about what you all say about him but bournebreeze ptr is a wonderful site that i can say that i have been paid 2 randomly SO I DON'T THINK BOYCOTTING THIS SITE IS A GOOD IDEA EITHER. NOR BOYCOTTING ANY OF HIS SITES.

Georgie should not be boycotted, that was my mistake but I still agree 100% that Tony should be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trulyfair]

although I do not believe that Georgie is responsible for the site debt at AGGPTR
Georgie had NOTHING to do with the dept on aprils. AND NEITHER DID TONY.
Tony did not own this site from the beginning. He tryed to save it and failed.
It was proven that Tony did indeed have something to do with the debt on April's, he agreed to assume it when he took over the program!

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=323508&st=30&p=3382665&#entry3382665

[trulyfair]

So just because georgie is involved with tony, This means all her sites should be boycotted, that rubbish..

Georgie is not only involved with Tony, he now has co-ownership of her sites.

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/bournemouthbreezegojomailjewelclix-t439251-s161.html

The sites owned by Tony and Georgie are:
bournemouthbreeze.com
golden-advertising.com
penny-searcher.com
penny-pusher.com
the-leaping-lizard.com

[trulyfair]

HE DID NOT MAKE THE DEPT. HE FAILED TO RESTORE THE SITE AND MAKE IT PAYING.

I am the first to admit tony made a stupid mistake trying to fix a site with such a large dept. I mean it was $1000's. This was a BAD decission.

Thanks
Lee

He assumed the debt when he took over the program, which means he agreed to be responsible for it.

[trulyfair]

LOOK. FACT.
Brian, Tiff, Georgie and Tony, Are in business together. Its a honest business.

Please enlighten us as to what business(es) these four people co-own?

[trulyfair]

AND your problem is!!
That does not make georgina dishonest

Thanks
Lee
I don't have a problem, I did not say anywhere that Georgina was/is dishonest.

However, the fact that she is involved with someone who has been proven to be dishonest, and has given him 50% share in her programs, is the qualifying factor in this equation.

Let's not forget that Tony owned another program, I believe it was UnitedByTheWeb, which was abandoned and members left unpaid. I think that is called "doing a runner".:baaa:

[trulyfair]

Yes I agree with that, But tony dident MAKE the dept.
I agree he agreed to take it on.

Thanks
Lee
No-one said that Tony made the debt.

[cybertongue]

ANSWER THIS:
Do you really think someone like Brian (class-act-clicks) would involve him-self with a dishonest person?

Thanks
Lee

Yes, he would. That's a no-brainer.

[cybertongue]

Brian owns a great, honest site. he would not risk that for any dishonest person!
Or to get involved with a dishonest person to risk his reputation.

Thanks
Lee

You haven't been around PTR very long, have you? Do you recall YourPTR?

[cybertongue]

Or how about the fact that he's been busted with 0 iframes several times?

[trulyfair]

Please let me get my facts correct on this before I answer.
I am sure I am correct, i just want to make sure.

Thanks
Lee
You're sure you're correct, but you want to make sure? You've already posted that this is a FACT.

I DONT involve myself with people I believe are liers (scammers).

LOOK. FACT.
Brian, Tiff, Georgie and Tony, Are in business together. Its a honest business.

I still stick with my first decission.

BOURNEMOUTHBREEZE.COM IS 100% HONEST (AND PAYING) SITE.

I agree with boycotting a known scam site, NOT with boycotting a person. bournemouthbreeze is NOT KNOWN as a scam site

Thanks
Lee

[trulyfair]

Actually I believe Unitedbytheweb Was closed at the same time as aprils, And united was closed with very little dept..

Thanks
Lee
Do you know FOR A FACT that UnitedByTheWeb had very little debt? Perhaps you can prove it?

[cybertongue]

And it wasent brian, who disapeared.... And left the site to die

No, but he was behind the PTP part of that site, which accelerated the debt and ultimately suffocated the program.

[cybertongue]

Can someone post a link to the page where people can submit a formal complaint? :)

[trulyfair]

Complaints on programs may be submitted here:

http://www.gptboycott.com/submit.php

[cybertongue]

Against who?

Against this program...

[cybertongue]

Complaints on programs may be submitted here:

http://www.gptboycott.com/submit.php

Thanks. :)

[trulyfair]

Thanks. :)
You're welcome. :D

[trulyfair]

I thought you just had to have 10 bad posts about the site on the forum.

IF that were the case, there wouldn't be many programs NOT on the Boycott List. :laugh:

[trulyfair]

Please let me get my facts correct on this before I answer.
I am sure I am correct, i just want to make sure.

Thanks
Lee
You're sure you're correct, but you want to make sure? You've already posted that this is a FACT.

I DONT involve myself with people I believe are liers (scammers).

LOOK. FACT.
Brian, Tiff, Georgie and Tony, Are in business together. Its a honest business.

I still stick with my first decission.

BOURNEMOUTHBREEZE.COM IS 100% HONEST (AND PAYING) SITE.

I agree with boycotting a known scam site, NOT with boycotting a person. bournemouthbreeze is NOT KNOWN as a scam site

Thanks
Lee

Please don't forget to respond. Thank you.

[trulyfair]

Thats true :laugh:

What I ment was 10 proper complaints about a program, Not paying. getting deleted, etc, etc.
Do you really think that the Admin of this forum would have the time to sift through each and every post to find legitimate complaints?

[trulyfair]

I'm sure there are many other duties that Admin have to take care of rather than wasting their time looking through even a small number of posts.

[trulyfair]

Regardless of whether or not mods are supposed to read all the posts, the fact remains that complaints about a program do have to be formally submitted.

Now can we please get back to the topic at hand. Thank you.

ETA: It is my understanding that the mods do not have access to complaints, therefore these are, in fact, handled by Admin.

[trulyfair]

It was you who carred on with this..

I only said I dident know we had to submit it somewhere else..

Thanks
Lee
Fine, I will take the blame for derailing the topic. My apologies.

[trulyfair]

I'm still waiting for you to name the program(es) in which Brian, Tiffany, Tony and Georgina are co-owners. That would be interesting information. ;)

ETA: I will come back later for your response.

[harmless316]

Unfortunately we can not garantee anything in this line of business nor can we always know whom we can trust. WM/Owners of sites that have cut and run or done wrong by their PARTNERS and or MEMBERS are way too many. We can not always count on everyone being honest. We have got to go by how sites are running now and how the present owners and wm are treating their members. We also may not be privy to all of the personal goings on behind the scenes. I myself am well aware of a few wm/owners that have turned on their partners and left them with a mess. Next thing you know the one left holding the bag has a bad reputation they may not actually deserve. Cleaning up a massive debt when taking over a site is not always possible. Members do not always understand that. All we can and should go by now is if a site is paying at present time and within the terms and are the members treated properly. Unless any of us was actually in on any private conversations between partners then we have no idea who is and is not telling the truth. As for any new partnerships and businesses these people should be given a chance to prove themselves not that it is any of our business what they are into. Unless it is made public by them then it should remain private.
Lets face it, stuff happens we can not always control. There are bad owners and webmasters as well as terrible members. We all make mistakes as none of us are perfect.
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[trulyfair]

IF it's private information, then how come you know about it? Or is that just an excuse to try to justify what you stated as a FACT?

[trulyfair]

I happen to know because I was told by them but my exact conversation
is my personal business not anyone elses. Had I known this would be blown
way out of proportion I would not have mentioned it. As I said before if
they want their business dealings made public they will in there own time.

Thanks
Lee
If the information was meant to be kept private but was told to you in confidence, then you should NOT have referred to it.

By doing so, you are risking the reputation of others.

[trulyfair]

What they are doing is being kept private.

This has run over what this is about. This is about bournemouthbreeze.com
You are correct, it is about bournemouthbreeze.com and it also affects any other programs that Tony is involved in.

[trulyfair]

I have read NO posts that are against bournemouthbreeze.
I have only read stuff against tony.

So come on, Where are the complaints against bournemouthbreeze.
Except it is co-owned by 2 HONEST people.

Also remember gptboycott.com boycott dishonest programs
Georgie may have proven herself to be honest however, for Tony it's a completely different story.

[Esperanza]

Unfortunately we can not garantee anything in this line of business nor can we always know whom we can trust. WM/Owners of sites that have cut and run or done wrong by their PARTNERS and or MEMBERS are way too many. We can not always count on everyone being honest. We have got to go by how sites are running now and how the present owners and wm are treating their members. We also may not be privy to all of the personal goings on behind the scenes. I myself am well aware of a few wm/owners that have turned on their partners and left them with a mess. Next thing you know the one left holding the bag has a bad reputation they may not actually deserve. Cleaning up a massive debt when taking over a site is not always possible. Members do not always understand that. All we can and should go by now is if a site is paying at present time and within the terms and are the members treated properly. Unless any of us was actually in on any private conversations between partners then we have no idea who is and is not telling the truth. As for any new partnerships and businesses these people should be given a chance to prove themselves not that it is any of our business what they are into. Unless it is made public by them then it should remain private.
Lets face it, stuff happens we can not always control. There are bad owners and webmasters as well as terrible members. We all make mistakes as none of us are perfect.
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With all due respect, this is NOT a matter of an old partnership gone sour which is reflecting on a new partnership because there was no partnership with April Gold's, it's been sufficiently proven by statements made last year by Tony himself and by April that Tony did in fact assume ownership.

However, imho it is a lot more relevant for a boycott that this is not just about April Gold's.
Tony was the sole owner of UnitedByTheWeb and he abandoned that program as well without paying members. We only have his word that there was little debt on that program and after all the lies he posted in GPF, his word doesn't mean a whole lot anymore. But even if you choose to believe him, you'll have to admit that little debt is still debt and is still members left unpaid. Tony has refused to acnowledge this and take responsibility.
So even if we leave April Gold's out of this, Tony is still a PO who did a runner, who left members of UnitedByTheWeb unpaid and who refuses to take responsibility.

In my opinion the real issue is whether we allow PO's who did a runner to hide as a co-owner behind another PO's reputation and that way escape facing any consequences of previous behaviour.
Do you really want to open the door for all those PO's who did a runner and scammed their members without any remorse to return and have another go at cheating a fresh load of clickers out of their earnings?
Do these shameless scammers really deserve a second chance?

I think not and this is why I have banned all programs co-owned by Tony from advertising at my program. If this hurts Georgina, who as far as I am aware has a decent reputation as a PO, than that is a shame but also a direct consequence of the choices and decicions she made herself.

[cybertongue]

I have read NO posts that are against bournemouthbreeze.
I have only read stuff against tony.

So come on, Where are the complaints against bournemouthbreeze.
Except it is co-owned by 2 HONEST people.

Also remember gptboycott.com boycott dishonest programs

HELLO??? This program is being run by two NOT honest people. They are NOT honest... This is not rocket science, and just because you refuse to look at the FACTS surrounding the whole thing doesn't mean that those facts don't exist. Yes, we're aware that you don't think this program should be boycotted. That's fine. There are many people who do think it should be boycotted, and they should be able to come in here and say their piece without being hounded by you simply because you don't agree.

[RBNLOVESPOH]

Tony was the sole owner of UnitedByTheWeb and he abandoned that program as well without paying members. after all the lies he posted in GPF, his word doesn't mean a whole lot anymore. Tony is still a PO who did a runner, who left members of UnitedByTheWeb unpaid and who refuses to take responsibility.

In my opinion the real issue is whether we allow PO's who did a runner to hide as a co-owner behind another PO's reputation and that way escape facing any consequences of previous behaviour.
Do you really want to open the door for all those PO's who did a runner and scammed their members without any remorse to return and have another go at cheating a fresh load of clickers out of their earnings?
Do these shameless scammers really deserve a second chance?

I think not and this is why I have banned all programs co-owned by Tony from advertising at my program. If this hurts Georgina, who as far as I am aware has a decent reputation as a PO, than that is a shame but also a direct consequence of the choices and decicions she made herself.



Tony is still a runner PO and why should he be given another chance, so he can run off again with everyone's $$$$$$$. Just like he did in the past. We do NOT need his kind in the PTR World at all:baaa:

[RBNLOVESPOH]

HELLO??? This program is being run by two NOT honest people. They are NOT honest... This is not rocket science, and just because you refuse to look at the FACTS surrounding the whole thing doesn't mean that those facts don't exist. Yes, we're aware that you don't think this program should be boycotted. That's fine. There are many people who do think it should be boycotted, and they should be able to come in here and say their piece without being hounded by you simply because you don't agree.


I agree 100% with cybertongue:D

[cybertongue]

YOU DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY TO ME I CANNOT POST IN REPLY.
This is a free world, And I have the right to post.
And it was not only me posting, It was mainly a chat I was having with another member;

Also please show me where your FACTS are that prove georgie is not honest

I didn't say you couldn't post, I just said that everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it differs from yours.

Also, Georgieb's posts at GPF are public for all to see. It's been pointed out all over the place where her stories conflict with history. Read this thread:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/bournemouthbreezegojomailjewelclix-t439251.html

[trulyfair]

And it was not only me posting, It was mainly a chat I was having with another member;


Perhaps you were having a "chat", I was being totally serious.

Being as you have access to private information regarding Brian, Tiffany, Tony and Georgie owing a program together, it does make me wonder what exactly your relationship is with them, as they gave you that confidential information.

[cybertongue]

QUOTE: cybertongue
and they should be able to come in here and say their piece without being hounded by you simply because you don't agree.

Just because georgie trusts tony, DONT mean she is not honest

Read the thread at GPF... It's obvious that either you don't have any idea what the dynamic is with these people or (judging by your apparent affiliation with them where they would give you "private" information) you are too close to the situation to see it objectively.

[trulyfair]

and they should be able to come in here and say their piece without being hounded by you simply because you don't agree.

Just because georgie trusts tony, DONT mean she is not honest

Perhaps Georgie is gullible (they do say love is blind, lol) but that doesn't mean that the rest of us are.


Edited to correct a mistake.

[cybertongue]

And I was being serious, So what is it if its not a "chat" then?????

My relationship with them is simple we are friends, NOTHING ELSE.
(I am NOT involved in any programs owned or co-owned by them)
(And I'm not saying I would not, I just dont like being in a co-ownership)

And Brian hosts your program... Don't forget that part. ;)

[trulyfair]

And I was being serious, So what is it if its not a "chat" then?????

My relationship with them is simple we are friends, NOTHING ELSE.
(I am NOT involved in any programs owned or co-owned by them)
(And I'm not saying I would not, I just dont like being in a co-ownership)
It was a discussion, at least on my side.

I would then have to assume that you are friends with all four, Brian, Tiffany, Tony and Georgie. I hope they all know that you are privy to confidential information.

[cybertongue]

Perhaps someone should go over to GPF and start a thread to ask them what's up with this "rumor"... ;)

[trulyfair]

That is a good idea, I certainly don't wish to be a part of anything involving Tony. Go for it Cyber.

[trulyfair]

Actually I dont speak or know tiff, But the rest I know and speak to.
And I havent let any private information out, That is for them to do.
You have given us food for thought though. Sometimes it's best to "keep your mouth shut" or in this case, sit on your hands.

[cybertongue]

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/let_s_nip_this_in_the_bud-t441010.html

[bellestraker]

Actually I believe Unitedbytheweb Was closed at the same time as aprils, And united was closed with very little dept..

Thanks
Lee


Could you tell me just how much debt it is "OK" to pull a runner on...

I was not aware there was a scale for "Its OK because its under ???" or "Its not OK because its over ???")

Have a good one

Belle.

[michaellaskey]

Do you really think someone like Brian (class-act-clicks) would involve him-self with a dishonest person? NO


Without a show of a doubt.. Brian was the one with all the "Bright Ideas" that eventually burried Yourptr.. And he KNEW that program was DOOMED!! If he were so Honest.. Tell me.. Why did'nt he clue some of the clueless in.. Instead of leading them along KNOWING... So in answer to your question.. YES I DO think Brian would involve himself with scammy people.. He always has :baaa:

[michaellaskey]

Is this how it is in this Forum now?? One comes here and files their formal complaint.. And can look for "Goons" to hound them for that.. Thats not really cool, :\

[trulyfair]

Is this how it is in this Forum now?? One comes here and files their formal complaint.. And can look for "Goons" to hound them for that.. Thats not really cool, :\
Actually posting in the thread "Suggest a Program to Boycott" is NOT submitting a formal complaint.

A formal complaint is made by submitting here: http://www.gptboycott.com/submit.php which keeps it confidential until such time as Admin takes action by adding the program to the Boycott List.

ETA: Action can only be taken to add a program to the Boycott List when there are at least 10 legitimate complaints.

[michaellaskey]

Ohh.. I see.. So that makes it ok to hound people out for their feelings? :hehe: As far as how it works.. I'm well aware, Thank you.. Been around a bit longer than you I think ;)

Actually posting in the thread "Suggest a Program to Boycott" is NOT submitting a formal complaint.

A formal complaint is made by submitting here: http://www.gptboycott.com/submit.php which keeps it confidential until such time as Admin takes action by adding the program to the Boycott List.

ETA: Action can only be taken to add a program to the Boycott List when there are at least 10 legitimate complaints.

[trulyfair]

Ohh.. I see.. So that makes it ok to hound people out for their feelings? :hehe: As far as how it works.. I'm well aware, Thank you.. Been around a bit longer than you I think ;)
Are you suggesting that I've been hounding people out?

Glad you know how the complaint process works. Many people don't seem to realise that posting is not enough, even though they've possibly been around longer than I have.

[michaellaskey]

Are you suggesting that I've been hounding people out?

Glad you know how the complaint process works. Many people don't seem to realise that posting is not enough, even though they've possibly been around longer than I have.

No.. I dont suggest.. I would just tell you..Suggesting things only gives people ammo for childish word games, ;) I only responded to you because You felt the need to quote my post.. Even though it didnt have anything to do with you.

[bellestraker]

No.. I dont suggest.. I would just tell you..Suggesting things only gives people ammo for childish word games, ;) I only responded to you because You felt the need to quote my post.. Even though it didnt have anything to do with you.


Mike;
I am not sure why you have decided to come in with guns blazing as from what I saw...no one was attacking you.

I am not sure either..who the "hounders" are...Are they the ones who agree with you or just those who do not.

Belle

[michaellaskey]

Mike;
I am not sure why you have decided to come in with guns blazing as from what I saw...no one was attacking you.

I am not sure either..who the "hounders" are...Are they the ones who agree with you or just those who do not.

Belle

And why do I have to agree or disagree with anyone Belle?? I was simply reading this thread and after reading the same person post basically the same crap several times, I sharted MY feelings.. Is that not permitted around here too? And I think you know by now.. I do not have "Guns Blazing" right now...:p

[bellestraker]

And why do I have to agree or disagree with anyone Belle?? I was simply reading this thread and after reading the same person post basically the same crap several times, I sharted MY feelings.. Is that not permitted around here too? And I think you know by now.. I do not have "Guns Blazing" right now...:p


I dont think I said that you could not agree or disagree...I would never be so cruel as try to remove all the fun from your life :p

I just wondered abut your reply to TF who seemed to be simply responding in an effort to help...Not everyone knows how old we are ( ie..how long we've been around):p ETA..Not that length of time has a lot to do with how much anyone "knows".

This is the "kinder,gentler Mike ?? Yeah I guess it is at that...lol.

Belle

[trulyfair]

No.. I dont suggest.. I would just tell you..Suggesting things only gives people ammo for childish word games, ;) I only responded to you because You felt the need to quote my post.. Even though it didnt have anything to do with you.
Well, excuse me for breathing. You mentioned that people came here, to this part of the forum, to post their formal complaints which is incorrect and mis-leading to those who are not aware of the correct procedure.

But do continue with your abrasive attitude.

[freecashspace]

And Brian hosts your program... Don't forget that part. ;)
And Saxo110, you're one of the biggest advertisers at Bournemouth. Don't forget that part.

Cheers,

Wil

[freecashspace]

To my way of thinking, it's a waste of time to only boycott programs without boycotting owners. Doing so means they can simply shut down one scam and open up a new one. Somebody still owes the members of April Gold's hundreds of thousands of dollars. Who? Tony? April? Both of them claim they're not responsible for the debt, but clearly someone should be.

Both of them have proven that they're dishonest people, and as far as I'm concerned, any and all programs opened by either of them in the future should be boycotted immediately.

As for Georgie and her role in all this, it's quite simple. She's formed a partnership with Tony, a known scammer. I don't know how British law works, but if they end up getting married, could she be held legally responsible for all his debts, including the money he owes AG members? I hope so.

The bottom line is this. The only significant way we have to deal with scammers is to refuse to have anything to do with their programs. Don't support them in any way, as members or as advertisers. And encourage others to do the same.

One form that encouragement can take is to add them to the boycott list. There are still a few people who take the boycott list seriously, won't allow advertising for sites that are on it, won't join sites that are on it, etc.

Another way to encourage it is to make it so that people who support scammers realise that their decisions have consequences as well. For example, I'd never join a site through saxo110's referral link now that I know that Lee is a big supporter and advertiser at Bournemouth.

Cheers,

Wil

[Judy03]

And you're one of the biggest advertisers at Bournemouth. Don't forget that part.

Cheers,

Wil

Hi Wil..

Are you saying that Cybertongue is one of the biggest advertisers at Bournemouth or that Lee is?

[freecashspace]

Hi Wil..

Are you saying that Cybertongue is one of the biggest advertisers at Bournemouth or that Lee is?Ouch! Today's just not my day! I meant to say that Lee (Saxo110) is one of the biggest advertisers at Bournemouth. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing Cyber doesn't advertise at sites owned by known scammers.

Cheers,

Wil

[Judy03]

Ouch! Today's just not my day! I meant to say that Lee (Saxo110) is one of the biggest advertisers at Bournemouth. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing Cyber doesn't advertise at sites owned by known scammers.

Cheers,

Wil

That's what I thought you meant. ;) And you're not wrong about who Cyber doesn't advertise with. LOL.

[freecashspace]

Do you really think someone like Brian (class-act-clicks) would involve him-self with a dishonest person?
Um, are you serious?

Cheers,

Wil

[metiff]

Ouch! Today's just not my day! I meant to say that Lee (Saxo110) is one of the biggest advertisers at Bournemouth. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing Cyber doesn't advertise at sites owned by known scammers.

Cheers,

Wil

Sorry Wil, but you ARE wrong. She's a member of Neonlights---so she's at least a member of a program owned by a scammer.

Tiffany

[metiff]

Without a show of a doubt.. Brian was the one with all the "Bright Ideas" that eventually burried Yourptr.. And he KNEW that program was DOOMED!! If he were so Honest.. Tell me.. Why did'nt he clue some of the clueless in.. Instead of leading them along KNOWING... So in answer to your question.. YES I DO think Brian would involve himself with scammy people.. He always has :baaa:


Who told of the debt on Your, the freakin' tooth fairy???? Go back and look it was Brian.

Mike, in your infinite wisdom to label everyone else and personally attack people (and since I am "involved" with Brian I take what you said as a personal attack, thus the rules must allow this here....) Anyway, in your decision to personally attack other people you should be ready for some questions.

Everyone knew that Rhonda had "helped" you with your programs. Care to remind me since she ran with MY money along with alot of money owed to other people... why it is that you are not also due to be boycotted?

You were once the owner of a another program with Mare, care to tell me why you are not to be boycotted based on the fact it also shut down?

If you all decide the rules should be this way, are you all ready for them to be applied fairly? Or is it only when the shoe is on the other foot???

Tiffany

edited for a typo

[michaellaskey]

Who told of the debt on Your, the freakin' tooth fairy???? Go back and look it was Brian.

Mike, in your infinite wisdom to label everyone else and personally attack people (and since I am "involved" with Brian I take what you said as a personal attack, thus the rules must allow this here....) Anyway, in your decision to personally attack other people you should be ready for some questions.

Everyone knew that Rhonda had "helped" you with your programs. Care to remind me since she ran with MY money along with alot of money owed to other people... why it is that you are not also due to be boycotted?

You were once the owner of a another program with Mare, care to tell me why you are not to be boycotted based on the fact it also shut down?

If you all decide the rules should be this way, are you all ready for them to be applied fairly? Or is it only when the shoe is on the other foot???

Tiffany

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Tiff.. Boycotting me wont make Brian be anything less than a piece of crap.. Fresh and smelly.. But since you mention it, How would I be responsible for Rhonda or here sites, I NEVER even had any admin access to them ever, LOL And I NEVER had ANYTHING to do with her sales and specials.. Same thing with Mare.. I had nothing to do with her failed programs for nearly two YEARS before they failed Now on the otherhand.. Brian brainstormed ALL of the crap that BURIED Yourptr in debt, Before he was glady dismissed.. Then we've got you.. Main FOA.. Defended and aided that scam until the end, Now you've set up a network of your OWN scams, more than likely.. With your SCAM friend silently at the wheel..

Now if anyone with a very small part of a brain, stops... And looks at the group of Scammers and cheaters that are in your Crowd.. You,Brian,Georgina,Tony,Darryn and all the rest of you.. They'd be good and smart to RUN far and fast from you's.. Because aint NONE of ya worth dust...

And before I go.. I'd just like to thank you for trying to DIVERT your CRAP onto me, LMAO... Nothing changes with the scammer loser crew.. Does it.. Why accept responsibility.. When we can DIVERT....

And furthermore.. I for one NEVER recommended boycott of any of you's.. All I did was correct someone who inaccuratly posted that Brian is "Squeeky Honest".. Because he's not.. For me.. I dont need this site to boycott your CRAP sites, LOL I just REFUSE to send that GARBAGE ;)

[michaellaskey]

Sorry Wil, but you ARE wrong. She's a member of Neonlights---so she's at least a member of a program owned by a scammer.

Tiffany

Yes.. You would know a Scammer.. Your SURROUNDED by them arent you, LMAO.. Ohhh.. Wait.. Your the "Queesn Scammer" :baaa:

Sounds to me your Jealous:D

[bkoxefwo]

Tiff and I are not involved in any PTR/GPT related businesses with Georgie and Tony.

Brian

[trulyfair]

Everyone knew that Rhonda had "helped" you with your programs. Care to remind me since she ran with MY money along with alot of money owed to other people... why it is that you are not also due to be boycotted?

You were once the owner of a another program with Mare, care to tell me why you are not to be boycotted based on the fact it also shut down?

If you all decide the rules should be this way, are you all ready for them to be applied fairly? Or is it only when the shoe is on the other foot???

Tiffany

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The big difference here is the fact that the Domain Registration for April's shows Tony Bishop as the owner.
Registrant:
April Gold's

31 Kittiwake Close
Southbourne
Bournemouth BH6 5BA
United Kingdom

Registered through: Ez-DomainNameRegistration.com
Domain Name: APRILGOLDSGETPAID2READEMAIL.COM
Created on: 07-Sep-03
Expires on: 07-Sep-06
Last Updated on: 21-Feb-05

Administrative Contact:
Bishop, Tony a.bishop57 @ntlworld.com
April Gold's
31 Kittiwake Close
Southbourne
Bournemouth BH6 5BA
United Kingdom
44 1202 246404 Fax -- 44 1202 246404

Technical Contact:
Bishop, Tony a.bishop57 @ntlworld.com
April Gold's
31 Kittiwake Close
Southbourne
Bournemouth BH6 5BA
United Kingdom
44 1202 246404 Fax -- 44 1202 246404

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.GETPAIDTO.ORG
NS2.GETPAIDTO.ORG


Registry Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited

[freecashspace]

Tiff and I are not involved in any PTR/GPT related businesses with Georgie and Tony.

BrianHmmm...maybe Saxo110 didn't know what he/she was talking about then. Or maybe one of you is lying. Or maybe this mysterious business venture isn't PTR/GPT related. Regardless, if you and Tiff or any of the rest of the gang are involved in it, it's best avoided.

Cheers,

Wil

[freecashspace]

Sorry Wil, but you ARE wrong. She's a member of Neonlights---so she's at least a member of a program owned by a scammer.

Tiffany
Look Tiff, I know you and Brian like to try to get in a shot against Mike but can't you at least start your own thread to do it? This one's about Bournemouth Breeze and Tony and Georgina. There's plenty of programs that deserve to boycotted -- yours and Brian's included -- but I think we ought to discuss them in separate threads, don't you?

I realise that there might be some discussion of you and Brian and a few others in this thread since there are a lot of connections between all of you but I really think we ought to try to focus on Tony and Georgina in this thread as much as possible.

Cheers,

Wil

[harmless316]

If I didn't know better I would swear this was a bunch of kids in a school yard arguing back and forth and nobody getting anywhere. The name calling and backstabbing is totally immature. May I remind you all of one thing. Maybe just maybe members are responsible in part for any sites debt. Now tell me does it really make sense to continue clicking at a site that has not been paying for a while? Does it not make sense to stop clicking and actually wait to see if you will get paid for the first payout rather than keep clicking and find you will never get paid at all? I don't know about you but if I have not gotten paid in a month for my first payout I sure will not keep doing
ads for a site that is not paying. You can pin this all on whatever owners and wm had the sites and ran them but members are just as bad. They make it harder for anyone to actually either catch up or find a way to resolve site problems and debts.

Now unless you were personally there for the day to day running of Aprils you have no idea who really ran the site into debt. Only the two that had it at the time do. One is still in the PTR world and from everything I read and hear the other is no where to be found. Normally if one has something to hide they hide themselves.

Enough of the mud slinging please. It doesn't make any of you look good at all.

[freecashspace]

That's right, Saxo110. I'm against people like you who defend and support known scammers like TonyB. Why? Because I figure without people like you, we wouldn't have to worry about people like TonyB. That's why I think the boycotts have to expand beyond the few programs that make it onto the list. Most of them are dead by the time they get there anyway.

If we want to get rid of the scammers and parasites, we've got to starve the whole network of money and support. That means not supporting the owners of sites that make it onto the list. And also the sites owned by people like yourself who defend, promote and support the scammers.

Cheers,

Wil

[freecashspace]

If I didn't know better I would swear this was a bunch of kids in a school yard arguing back and forth and nobody getting anywhere. The name calling and backstabbing is totally immature. May I remind you all of one thing. Maybe just maybe members are responsible in part for any sites debt. Now tell me does it really make sense to continue clicking at a site that has not been paying for a while? Does it not make sense to stop clicking and actually wait to see if you will get paid for the first payout rather than keep clicking and find you will never get paid at all? I don't know about you but if I have not gotten paid in a month for my first payout I sure will not keep doing
ads for a site that is not paying. You can pin this all on whatever owners and wm had the sites and ran them but members are just as bad. They make it harder for anyone to actually either catch up or find a way to resolve site problems and debts.

Now unless you were personally there for the day to day running of Aprils you have no idea who really ran the site into debt. Only the two that had it at the time do. One is still in the PTR world and from everything I read and hear the other is no where to be found. Normally if one has something to hide they hide themselves.

Enough of the mud slinging please. It doesn't make any of you look good at all.Now there's a novel approach. Blame the members.

I'm sure the 131 active members of Money to Read and the 106 active members of ConfusedCash would be thrilled to know that if you end up screwing them over, it'll be their own fault.

Cheers,

Wil

[freecashspace]

Your a fine one to talk.
WAITING NEARLY 1 YEAR FOR CASHOUT ON HAULINGCASH, OWNED BY MICHAEL.
I would've thought if you were so unhappy with Mike's performance as a PO, you wouldn't be promoting his latest and greatest program.

Cheers,

Wil

[freecashspace]

Programs aren't honest or dishonest. Owners are.

Think before you support scammers.

Cheers,

Wil

[freecashspace]

Um yeah, I think I heard somewhere that Mike was breaking his own Terms. ;)

Cheers,

Wil

[georgina]

For all those who are trying to take saxo110 and turn him and his programs into anything but honest should step back and rethink. He is a good friend and I have been helping with his site. He was hosted on a server that was closing its doors so I suggested Brian I knew Brian was honest and would give Saxo110 a good deal. Brian being busy on and off line so I offered to set his site back up.

Taking and throwing Saxo110 good name in the mud is bellow contempt and just shows what levels some of you will stoop to be mean and vindictive.

Saxo110 is in no way associated with any of our programs other then being a member and or advertiser, but I will say this I would be honored to be in any business venture with him as he’s a first rate gent.

Taking his support for us and turning it on him to smear his good name is unfair.

[freecashspace]

For all those who are trying to take saxo110 and turn him and his programs into anything but honest should step back and rethink. He is a good friend and I have been helping with his site. He was hosted on a server that was closing its doors so I suggested Brian I knew Brian was honest and would give Saxo110 a good deal. Brian being busy on and off line so I offered to set his site back up.

Taking and throwing Saxo110 good name in the mud is bellow contempt and just shows what levels some of you will stoop to be mean and vindictive.

Saxo110 is in no way associated with any of our programs other then being a member and or advertiser, but I will say this I would be honored to be in any business venture with him as he’s a first rate gent.

Taking his support for us and turning it on him to smear his good name is unfair.He's in no way associated with any of your programs other than the fact that he's a member and an advertiser of one of your programs and his site is hosted by Brian and Tiffany? How many other ways could he possibly be associated with you guys?

If Lee chooses to associate with, support, promote and defend known scammers, there might consequences, right? His "good name" might not be so good any more. People who don't agree with his choices might make their own choices not to join his downlines, or join or buy ads at his program. The same with harmless316. As we all know, that's about the only effect all this "schoolyard arguing back and forth" can have -- people can see who defends and supports the scammers and who doesn't, and make their own decisions about who they're willing to support and do business.

See, my guess is that people support and defend scammers because it's profitable. Money is more important to them than ethics or reason or morals or friendship or anything like that, so the only thing that's likely to encourage them to stop supporting scammers is if it doesn't put money in their pockets. Then they start paying attention.

The same with why so many people get involved in this "industry" and rip people off and do so many other dispicable things. Because they can. Because they're pretty confident that no matter what they do, they'll more than likely get away with it. And of course they're also keen to make some money out of it, and I'm sure most of them do alright, one way or another. So they keep doing it.

And the supporters and defenders keep giving them more chances. And buying ads. And doing searches. And waiting patiently for PTP pages to load. And the only thing that's going to make this "industry" less attractive to the sorts of scum that come here to rip people off is if they don't make enough money out of it to be worth their time and effort. Otherwise the parasitic losers will just keep coming and feeding until they've bled the whole industry dry.

Cheers,

Wil

[freecashspace]

Look Here You......

Just Because I Am Friends With Them Does Not Make Me A Scammer.
Or Make Any Of My Friends Scammers, Or Make Any Of Us Dishonest.

Infact It Is The Complete Oppersite, I Pay All My Members Fast. And I Am Honest. And I Will Not Except You Trying To Turn People Against Me, And I Think You Are A Very Sad Person To Say Lets Not Use My Ref Links, This Is Petty Stuff And You Are Sad To Menshion It.

You Are Making This Become Personal. DONT
...or what?

I'm not making anything personal. I don't even know you. All I know is that you're here defending and supporting Tony Bishop, a known scammer. If you think it's sad an petty that people might not want anything to do with you or your program because of the choices you've made, that's your problem.

Cheers,

Wil

[freecashspace]

No it's not a personal attack. It's the magic of the boycott process at work. That's the very reason why this forum was created in the first place. To empower members of the GPT community to get rid of the parasites attacking their industry by refusing to support and do business with them.

Sadly, the parasites seem to be winning. But if we want to, we can change that.

I started the thread and as long as the discussion is more or less related to Bournemouth Breeze I don't think it's off-topic. But if it would make you feel better, I suppose I could start another thread to discuss what we as a community can do to discourage people from supporting known scammers.

Cheers,

Wil

[georgina]

...or what?

I'm not making anything personal. I don't even know you. All I know is that you're here defending and supporting Tony Bishop, a known scammer. If you think it's sad an petty that people might not want anything to do with you or your program because of the choices you've made, that's your problem.

Cheers,

Wil

Wil you just contradicted your self. You say you don't know Saxo110 yet you sit here and assure us he’s doing wrong how can you attack the good name and character of someone you don't know.

[georgina]

No it's not a personal attack. It's the magic of the boycott process at work. That's the very reason why this forum was created in the first place. To empower members of the GPT community to get rid of the parasites attacking their industry by refusing to support and do business with them.

Sadly, the parasites seem to be winning. But if we want to, we can change that.

I started the thread and as long as the discussion is more or less related to Bournemouth Breeze I don't think it's off-topic. But if it would make you feel better, I suppose I could start another thread to discuss what we as a community can do to discourage people from supporting known scammers.

Cheers,

Wil

Wil are you calling Me and Tony parasites. Now I call this a personal attack.

[freecashspace]

Wil are you calling Me and Tony parasites. Now I call this a personal attack.If you think so, feel free to report me. I stand by every word I've said.

Cheers,

Wil

[freecashspace]

Wil you just contradicted your self. You say you don't know Saxo110 yet you sit here and assure us he’s doing wrong how can you attack the good name and character of someone you don't know.I don't kow Saxo110 or anything about his character other than what I can judge from reading what he's posted. He might be a great guy to go bowling with, a great father, brother, husband, friend or whatever. I wouldn't have any idea, and don't really care. My concern as far as this discussion goes is Bournemouth Breeze, and more generally, all other programs owned by you and Tony.

And even more generally, all programs owned by people who've already pulled one scam and have decided to come back for seconds.

And if I can take it even further without being accused of taking the thread too far off-topic, I'd say it also includes the damage done to this industry not only by the scammers themselves, but those who support and defend them.

Cheers,

Wil

[freecashspace]

Who we choose as friends and what we choose to believe in often has consequences. Some good, some not so good.

I've been on the forums for quite a few years now, and I've been saying what I believed in for a long time. And believe me, there have been consequences. Some good, some not so good, and some really not so good.

Cheers,

Wil

[michaellaskey]

This is what is happening with tony..

They both had problems with there programs.
They both started new HONEST programs

Think before you talk

BIG difference.. Granted both have had their fair share of problems/setbacks/etc...etc... However.. Thats where is STOPS.. See Tony gave up.. Ran.. Screwed THOUSANDS of members.. or "Pulled a Runner" only to resurface a year or so later (Chilling with the SAME SCAM group)... Like "Its all good" and Tony expects ALL the Gullible members to just accept his LAME excuses/reasons, Join his SCAM program and Trust his sorry butt...

Now "Mike" (Me) instead of running or screwing his members.. Has STAYED here year after year, Taking his blows for his mistakes.. ADMITTING his shortcomings, and mistakes.. NEVER running away.. NEVER blaming his members for the position he happens to be in..

Yeah.. I guess I see the striking similarities between Tony and Mike and their situations... If you say so:baaa:

[freecashspace]

Yes, it was stupid! At least, if he ever had any intention of actually paying it off. Honestly, it's hard to be believe that did considering the size of the debt --several hundred thousand dollars, wasn't it?

But stupid or not, nobody forced Tony to take over April Gold's. It was his choice and now he's got to deal with the repercussions of that choice.

And here's the reason why Tony's "I was never really the owner of AG's" story doesn't work for me. Does anybody think he'd be saying that if he'd somehow ended up making a big tub full of money from the site?

I can't remember all the different "choices" that were being offered to members back then but I think I remember something about an offer to pay members 1 cent on the dollar. What if (yeah, I know it's a BIG if, but just go with me here) all the members had agreed to it. So Tony pays off all the members, everything's AWESOME again, he's learned all about sustainability, and through whatever miracles are needed to somehow create a profitable PTR, he actually ends up making a nice chunk of change.

Now do you really think he's going to hand that money over to April, since technically it's still her business?

Cheers,

Wil

[trulyfair]

But Tony DID NOT make the dept, He tock it on. And granted he tock the respoceibility for it, But there was ALOT of dept, And that was stupid to take over a site with that much dept.

Thanks
Lee
I don't think anyone will argue that point.

Let's not forget about UnitedByTheWeb though. That was Tony's program and he did abandon it. Regardless of the size of the debt when the program went down, he still did a runner.

[freecashspace]

I don't think anyone will argue that point.

Let's not forget about UnitedByTheWeb though. That was Tony's program and he did abandon it. Regardless of the size of the debt when the program went down, he still did a runner.
Good point, TF. I think sometimes some of us focus so much on the HUGE scam that Tony and April pulled together that we forget about the other scam Tony pulled all by himself.

Cheers,

Wil

[freecashspace]

I've submitted my formal submission to have Bournemouth Breeze added to the Boycott List. I hope others are doing the same, and I also hope that once the required number of submissions has been submitted, GPTB Admin will respond as quickly as they did in the case of BeehiveMail.com.

Cheers,

Wil

[bkoxefwo]

BIG difference.. Granted both have had their fair share of problems/setbacks/etc...etc... However.. Thats where is STOPS.. See Tony gave up.. Ran.. Screwed THOUSANDS of members.. or "Pulled a Runner" only to resurface a year or so later (Chilling with the SAME SCAM group)... Like "Its all good" and Tony expects ALL the Gullible members to just accept his LAME excuses/reasons, Join his SCAM program and Trust his sorry butt...

Now "Mike" (Me) instead of running or screwing his members.. Has STAYED here year after year, Taking his blows for his mistakes.. ADMITTING his shortcomings, and mistakes.. NEVER running away.. NEVER blaming his members for the position he happens to be in..

Yeah.. I guess I see the striking similarities between Tony and Mike and their situations... If you say so:baaa:



Actually.. I see the similarities between you and Linder from AYS.. He is still here taking his blows etc etc.. Just because you havent ran doesnt mean you arent a scam (actually scam isnt the right word.. but it rhymed almost.lol)

Brian

[michaellaskey]

Actually.. I see the similarities between you and Linder from AYS.. He is still here taking his blows etc etc.. Just because you havent ran doesnt mean you arent a scam (actually scam isnt the right word.. but it rhymed almost.lol)

Brian

And I see GLARING similarities between You and Jaydillar.. Dont worry tho.. I klnow you cant help it.. LMAO.. Its in your blood :baaa:

ETA: And would you mind explaining why you insist on dragging anyone and everyone into this crap.. Just to deflect the attention from where it should be... On YOU and YOU scamming Crew.

Brian, I cant speak for anyone here but myself.. And for me.. You and your little "Groups" diversionary tactics are not only transparent.. But old too.. LOL :laugh:

[freecashspace]

Look, pretty butterflies!

Nice try Brian, but I think everybody's pretty much on to your constant attempts to get the focus of discussions off you and your friends and on to anybody else who happens to be around. Especially if you can get in a shot at one of your favorite targets. Not that I disagree with the Mike/Linder comparison, since I was probably one of the first to make it ages ago.

Anyhoo, while I can see how the situation with HaulingCash and NeonLights kinda fits into some of the broader issues of this thread, I hope we don't lose sight of the specific focus (focuses? foci? :hehe: ) -- BourneMouth Breeze and it's owners, Tony and Georgina.

And if we are going to include HaulingCash and NeonLights in the discussion, then I think we ought to include YourPTR and Classless-Act as well. There's a strong case to be made that your and Tiffany's programs deserve boycotting just as much as Tony and Georgina's.

Cheers,

Wil

[MenaC]

For all those who are trying to take saxo110 and turn him and his programs into anything but honest should step back and rethink. He is a good friend and I have been helping with his site. He was hosted on a server that was closing its doors so I suggested Brian I knew Brian was honest and would give Saxo110 a good deal. Brian being busy on and off line so I offered to set his site back up.

Taking and throwing Saxo110 good name in the mud is bellow contempt and just shows what levels some of you will stoop to be mean and vindictive.

Saxo110 is in no way associated with any of our programs other then being a member and or advertiser, but I will say this I would be honored to be in any business venture with him as he’s a first rate gent.

Taking his support for us and turning it on him to smear his good name is unfair.
Ah well... now that explains why the database disappeared then at PaidLinks. Should have known there was something/someone shady behind the problem.

[MenaC]

I would also like to say MENAC Was a member of paidlinks. Won a auction for a SMALL UPGRADE with the previous owner. SO These has NOTHING to do with me.

AND I have her/him a GOLD upgrade.

YOU DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN, YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE DATABASES AS YOUR A MEMBER> SO DONT LIE
Actually Lee, I was referring to Georgina's post when I said shady... her sending you to Brian for hosting/server services. As evidenced by prior hosting/server problems with sites associated with Brian, to me there is something shady there. I didn't mean you were shady at all. Although I didn't like getting ads for BournemouthBreeze at PaidLinks but I chose to just ignore those ads so no biggie there.

About the Gold upgrade... it's not like I made any use of it seeing how I never availed myself of any ads from it, nor did I request payment which I would have been entitled to. I disappeared from your database so really not only did I lose whatever I had accumlated in my account, but the cost of the upgrade as well.

[MenaC]

Ok, So you did mean me direct, Sorry about that..

As for your upgrade, Thats your choice not to take advantage of it, So you only have your self to blame there..

WHO said you have lost your upgrade and your earnings, I DIDENT..

AGAIN, DONT POST LIE'S IN PUBLIC

I dont mind you complaining about my program, IF you have a good reason to coplain, YOU DONT, I am trying my hardest to get everything back to normal. (if not, BETTER)

So you dont like getting PAID e-mails for bounemouthbreeze, Well I'm sorry I WILL NOT ban ANY HONEST / PAYING Sites. Unless I have PROOF that the PROGRAM is not honest.. Remember people change..

Thanks
Lee
What lies did I post? I'm no longer in your database. I read your emails and the instructions were to re-sign if I wanted to re-gain my account. The thing is that I prefer not to be part of any programme that associates itself with FOAs. So I guess I choose to lose both my earnings and the price of the upgrade but these are no lies.

And whether you like it or not, BournemouthBreeze is not what I consider an honest programme seeing how it's co-owner is a runner PO. Leopards do not change their spots. Tony did a runner twice before. That's way too shady for my liking.

[georgina]

Ah well... now that explains why the database disappeared then at PaidLinks. Should have known there was something/someone shady behind the problem.

Wait a minute are you saying I deliberately destroyed Paidlinks data base. it was a previous server it was on that did the damage not me. How dare you your comments are totally uncalled for and is out right libelous. This is a personal attack on me. Where do you get off making false statements like the one you just did.

[MenaC]

Thats a lie.

The database was corupt, everybody lost accounts. You DIDENT lose anything on my part, you will lose all that on your own, Its your decission if you signup again..

I AM VERY HONEST..

You are a gold member, Thats a .50 cashout. You have close to $2. So all you have to do is join. Be active, Then request. I WILL off course pay you. then its up to you what you do after that, you can stay or quit..

I am quite willing to pay you. You have earnt that money. That money is yours. you just havent requested it.

Would a dishonest WM say or do that?.

p.s. I would be happy for you to stay at paidlinks. you will allways get payed, And all the advertising. Including what you earn on points, Very easy to earn points, And point redemptions VERY CHEAP
Ah Lee... I NEVER said you were dishonest!!!

My posts are not lies. I'm just telling you how I feel from my end to watch you support a runner PO and me be part of your programme. I prefer not to be part of programmes that support scammers.

I had been a member of PaidLinks for quite a long time and was always happy with it... even after you took over. Until you sent those ads for BournemouthBreeze. I almost joined at first just to support you but before joining anything, I always do a background check and was shocked to find out it belonged to Tony Bishop.... a runner PO!

If you want to send me my payout I shall appreciate it but I shan't be re-joining PaidLinks so if the only way to get my payout is to re-join then unfortunately I shall have to consider it a loss :(

[MenaC]

I DONT support scammers, But I Honestly do believe what tony has said what happened. I believe alot, Lol. yes I do agree tony did/made mistakes, but i dont think he is dishonest.. But then again. I trust EVERYBODY until I get screwed/scammed, As there are SOME people that lie, and lies spread and then turns into a large lie, And too many people believe..

I like to find out for myself, BEFORE I take it any further. I know some people will not understand, But some will..

You had 1.93 in your paidlinks account. If you really dont want to join, Send me a PM (Via gptboycott) with your paypal e-mail, And I will be happy to send it to you.
Remember Alot of WM's Would not do this..but I do, Because I like to treat people how I like to be treated.

Thanks
Lee
Lee,

That's very kind of you and I appreciate it so I'll send you a PM here. PaidLinks was a sentimental favourite of mine because Danny was such a nice person. I knew he wouldn't sell his site to just anyone and trusted that he picked a good person when he sold to you.

You are way too nice though and should be careful about trusting certain people such as Tony Bishop. When in doubt, always go based on someone's history and Tony's isn't pretty.

I wish you all the best though as it's rare indeed to come across someone both nice and so trusting :)

[MenaC]

Hello

payment sent.

I do like to see things first hand (myself) before I turn on someone

You are a great member and
I hope you re-join once tony has proved him-self.

I am sorry about this, but I still believe in bournemouthbreeze.
If I dident know the owners, I would ban it just for you. :)

You was a great member, And you will be missed.

Hope to see you back once tony has proved him-self.

Thanks
lee
Thanks Lee. You really are a sweetheart :)

I'll keep an eye out for your links and you will have my support. I'll re-visit the PaidLinks issue in a few months and see how I feel about re-joining as it's always a pleasure to be part of programme with a good solid PO.

Take care :)

[freecashspace]

You Dont Know What The Hell You Are Talking About..

So Shut That Big Bloodie Mouth Of Yours..

The Backups Where Corupt And There Was Nothing I Could Do.

Nobody Has Lost Any Money And I'm Trying To Sort Out The Problem With The Referrals..

So. I'm Shady Then?? I Dont Think So..

Its Because Of People Like You That Give Programs A Bad Name.
Wow, excellent "customer service" skills you've got there. No wonder your program is such a success.

Good on ya MenaC, for your decision not to be involved with Program Owners like Saxo110 that choose to promote and support programs owned by known scammers. If this "industry" had more people like you we wouldn't have anywhere near as many problems as we've currently got. If we make ourselves an easy target for the parasitic scammers, they'll be more than happy to come here and take as much from us as they can get.

Cheers,

Wil

[harmless316]

I have every confidece in lee's ability to run Paid Links as an honest wm.
He has had some troubles with the site after changing hosts and servers and
yet he has gone out of his way to be sure anyone that rejoins gets all of their
earnings replaced as soon as possible. Not many wm will take the time to write
down each members earnings and points so they can be replaced. Most would
say "Oh Well too bad!". Lee is a member of the Lighthouse Family of Sites and
we have a certain code we run our sites by. He had to agree to those before his
site was allowed into the group. No complaints yet!

[freecashspace]

You seem to like keep menshoning me. What is your problem with me, Except Tony is my friend.
Which in your eyes makes me dishonest. thats fine with me..

I can live with that.
I'm not gona cry just because you think I am dishonest. There are LOTS of people who know I am honest. inc, menac
I couldn't give a rat's who your friends are. You support and promote sites owned by known scammers. Not just Bournemouth, I see if you've got some other programs run by unsavoury types in your sig here. As I've said before, the supporters and promoters of these sorts of programs do as much damage as the owners. That's why I keep mentioning you.

And as far as I'm concerned, these sorts of comments don't do much for you either:

I Will Not Except You Trying To Turn People Against Me, And I Think You Are A Very Sad Person To Say Lets Not Use My Ref Links, This Is Petty Stuff And You Are Sad To Menshion It.

You Are Making This Become Personal. DONTYou Dont Know What The Hell You Are Talking About..

So Shut That Big Bloodie Mouth Of Yours..

The Backups Where Corupt And There Was Nothing I Could Do.

Nobody Has Lost Any Money And I'm Trying To Sort Out The Problem With The Referrals..

So. I'm Shady Then?? I Dont Think So..

Its Because Of People Like You That Give Programs A Bad Name.Is talking to people, including one of your members, this way part of the LightHouse Family Code?

Cheers,

Wil

[cajunlady]

You Dont Know What The Hell You Are Talking About..

So Shut That Big Bloodie Mouth Of Yours..

The Backups Where Corupt And There Was Nothing I Could Do.

Nobody Has Lost Any Money And I'm Trying To Sort Out The Problem With The Referrals..

So. I'm Shady Then?? I Dont Think So..

Its Because Of People Like You That Give Programs A Bad Name.

I don't know you from Joe Schmoe but I'll tell you right now I would never join your program because of this post. Any PO who can't speak calmly under pressure has no business running a PTR program. I have made a mental note to avoid your program and if the Lighthouse group condones a PO speaking to a member in this manner, I will avoid them also.

[metiff]

Look, pretty butterflies!

Nice try Brian, but I think everybody's pretty much on to your constant attempts to get the focus of discussions off you and your friends and on to anybody else who happens to be around. Especially if you can get in a shot at one of your favorite targets. Not that I disagree with the Mike/Linder comparison, since I was probably one of the first to make it ages ago.

Anyhoo, while I can see how the situation with HaulingCash and NeonLights kinda fits into some of the broader issues of this thread, I hope we don't lose sight of the specific focus (focuses? foci? :hehe: ) -- BourneMouth Breeze and it's owners, Tony and Georgina.

And if we are going to include HaulingCash and NeonLights in the discussion, then I think we ought to include YourPTR and Classless-Act as well. There's a strong case to be made that your and Tiffany's programs deserve boycotting just as much as Tony and Georgina's.

Cheers,

Wil


If you feel that we need to be boycotted go ahead and submit us for boycott then. Unlike scammer Mike over there, our members are paid---even if they go inactive. So I would love to know how you can compare us to him.

[freecashspace]

If you feel that we need to be boycotted go ahead and submit us for boycott then. Unlike scammer Mike over there, our members are paid---even if they go inactive. So I would love to know how you can compare us to him.Always happy to oblige, Tiffany. The way I'd compare you and Brian to Mike is based on earlier comments made by saxo110. As far as I know, Mike pays his NeonLights members with no problems, but for HaulingCash members it's another story entirely. Lee compared Mike and TonyB, since Tony and Georgina are paying Bournemouth members (5 payments, 60 cents!), but members of Tony's old programs, UnitedByTheWeb and AprilGold's, got screwed and have it even worse than HC members.

As for Classless-Acts, the situation is very similar. Classless-Acts may (or may not) be paying it's members, but the members of YourPTR, which Brian was a co-owner of, got seriously screwed. I guess that's where the similarity ends though, because while Brian claims no responsibility for paying the members of YourPTR that he helped rip off, at least Mike acknowledges his debt to his members, and is still slowly (very sloooooooowly) paying them. That difference probably doesn't say as much about the programs as it does about the people who run/ran them, and to be honest, I think all of them deserve to be boycotted.

Cheers,

Wil

[harmless316]

As for Lee/sax110's temper... I have never seen that man nor do I know of anytime or anyone he has ever gotten that angry with and certainly he has never spoken to any members this way. He knows better ad it would not be tolerated but then again he has never had anyone attack his reputation as you all have. Being young he has much to learn about losing his temper to people that pretend to be so vertuous and live lilly white lives. When in fact they are no better than anyone else. If you want to blame anyone for his corrupted files then look at his old host Brenda Riddle. She had no clue how to run a hosting company any more than she knew how to run the PTR that my partner and I just bought from her. And yes I assumed the debt but then again I wasn't dumb enough to buy a site
with hunfreds of thousands of dollars in debt either.

You can boycott whatever site you choose but chances are if you boycotted every site that does not meet with your approval for one reason or another there would be no ptr sites left at all. Lee is right it is people like you that give PTR a bad name. I don't see how any of you even have time to work a program or run one considering the amount of time you spend posting complaints and put downs.

Time to remind you all that defamation of character is illegal and that the burden of proof is upon the accuser. Unless you have absolute proof of anything it is best to stay quiet and mind your own business.

Only those who have done better with worse have any right to speak. There is also no shame in knowing the situation is insurmountable and removing yourself from it in favour of one who may be able to address it properly. Any good business being knows when to cut its losses. It may not always sit right with everyone but at times it is the only thing to do.

[Josh]

If you feel that you have been attacked, losing your temper, thereby starting a fight, is not a reasonable response. Instead, share your concerns with a member of the staff here. That way you're following by the rules of the forum and keeping your cool; both of which are advisable.

If everyone were to act that way we could have a discussion on the topic at hand here, and much more would be accomplished without the side carnivals. A lot of people have done a lot of attacking in here, but that doesn't make any of the attacks more acceptable, it just makes them all even more of one huge joke, with TonyB most likely laughing as we forget all about him.

Perhaps all these other sites managing to find their way in this discussion do deserve their own concern/boycott threads. Perhaps all these personal feuds do need to be taken care of (off-site).

Right here, this is about Bournemouth Breeze. I for one would like it to stay the way Wil intended it to be when he opened the thread.

Josh

Hello

This is all very true, I NEVER lose my temper Unless for a good reason.
A good reason is someone personally atacking my name.. And my post was pointed at one member and she even trusts and still likes my site.

Thanks
Lee

[Josh]

It would be wise to go back and re-read what I wrote. What I mentioned was what would be advisable to do - that based off of a concern for the rules, which should mean that the rules are doing any telling, while I am merely pointing you in their direction.

You, on the other hand, are telling me what to do - not to tell you how to act.

You may not have noticed but aside from the initial paragraph of my previous response, it was made as a general statement to everyone, regarding my opinions on this thread. You act as though I was singling you out, when I actually said: "If everyone...," "A lot of people...," "As we forget...," "These other sites...," "These personal feuds..." I never stated that you were the one bringing the discussion off-track, and I had hoped that all of those qualifiers were enough to make my intent clear. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I also did not state a desire to boycott other sites. In fact, I mentioned that although some of them may deserve a boycott, this was not the place to do it.

Using your logic, then I suppose staff has no reason to moderate anything that takes place here, because it would always take some time to accomplish, and push them into the situation, and certainly they always have a dinner to cook, a family member or friend to talk to, or maybe even tax paperwork to prepare. :p Of course, the rules do shoot that down by mentioning that you are supposed to take up issues with another member with the staff, not directly with the member on this forum.

Now, I hope that resolved your misunderstanding of what I wrote. Again, I apologize for that. Now let's stick to this business, please.

Josh

You trying to tell me what to do and how to act!

That is not for you to tell me. That is what mods/admin are for. And they have not complained to me, As I have done nothing wrong.

If I made a comnplaint to admin, It would take ages to get solved,As they would be in the middle of it,And i'm sure they have better stuff to do. I sorted out the problem, No admin needed. And I'm friendly with the person in hand..

Yes this thread is about bournemouthbreeze.
I KEEP SAYING THAT
And it still go's of track.

If you want to try and boycott my site or any others in this thread. Give it a go But it will not work As there are NO reasons too, ALL sites go through problems so you gona report all the sites..

[freecashspace]

As for Lee/sax110's temper... I have never seen that man nor do I know of anytime or anyone he has ever gotten that angry with and certainly he has never spoken to any members this way. He knows better ad it would not be tolerated but then again he has never had anyone attack his reputation as you all have.He has never spoken to a member that way? It wouldn't be tolerated? Really???

Being young he has much to learn about losing his temper to people that pretend to be so vertuous and live lilly white lives. When in fact they are no better than anyone else. If you want to blame anyone for his corrupted files then look at his old host Brenda Riddle. She had no clue how to run a hosting company any more than she knew how to run the PTR that my partner and I just bought from her. And yes I assumed the debt but then again I wasn't dumb enough to buy a site with hunfreds of thousands of dollars in debt either.I wasn't dumb enough to buy a site with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt, either? Does that mean I'm pretending to live a lily white life? Does that mean I think I'm better than everybody else?

You can boycott whatever site you choose but chances are if you boycotted every site that does not meet with your approval for one reason or another there would be no ptr sites left at all. Lee is right it is people like you that give PTR a bad name. I don't see how any of you even have time to work a program or run one considering the amount of time you spend posting complaints and put downs.If it ends up that all Program Owners promote and defend scammers then I'll be quite happy to get out of the industry completely. Luckily that hasn't proven to be the case. Yet.

Time to remind you all that defamation of character is illegal and that the burden of proof is upon the accuser. Unless you have absolute proof of anything it is best to stay quiet and mind your own business.Bring. It. On.

But before you do, you might want to learn a little more about the burden of proof in cases of defamation.

Only those who have done better with worse have any right to speak. There is also no shame in knowing the situation is insurmountable and removing yourself from it in favour of one who may be able to address it properly. Any good business being knows when to cut its losses. It may not always sit right with everyone but at times it is the only thing to do.If by 'cut its losses' you mean 'do a runner', I couldn't disagree with you more. There's a way to legally discharge the debt of a failed business. It's called bankruptcy. To my knowlege, not a single PTR owner has ever chosen that option. They seem to prefer pulling runners, throwing the hot potato, changing identities and starting over and all sorts of other shameful and dishonest behaviours.

And why shouldn't they? They know that no matter how dispicable they act, there'll always be some somebody who'll support and defend them.

Cheers,

Wil

[genie]

Thank you all for giving so much info and allowing people to be able to make INFORMED decsions as to the sites they join and belong to.

I do agree with the poster who remarked is was like children in the playground, I find most of the thread totally mental :laugh:

[Ed 20002]

It's time to get this thread back on topic for which it was originally started for in the first place and stop with the personal attacks.

If the personal attacks continue the thread will be closed for a short time for everyone involved to cool down.

2. Comments meant to incite, embarrass or ridicule another member, including personal attacks;

If you have a concern regarding one of these issues, or a rule violation, acceptable methods of making your thoughts known are to PM a staff member, and to use the "Report" button, a triangle located at the upper-right corner of posts. If your concerns have warrant and another member has broken a forum rule, we politely request that you refrain from posting in an inciteful manner.

If a member wants to further read up on the rules they can be found here:

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3246

Ed

[Lia]

hello

I for one would like this thread closed, It is FULL of lies from only a couple of members, And I think this has gone far enough. I do think there is any need to keep this thread open, Its pointless. Its the same people over and over.

They are lieing over and over. lieing about HONEST owners.

Thanks
lee

Hi Saxo,

I haven't posted yet so here comes my 2 cents.

My understanding is that a forum is for debates, discussions and education. It is up to the readers to determine what they believe. I feel there have been a lot of discrepancies in the stories. I hope this thread stays open so that we can get more details. After all a decision/judgment can only be made when one has the facts.

There are two sides to every story and the truth lies in the middle. So I look forward to hearing both sides.

Lia

[Josh]

My goal was to do a little deeper looking instead of listening to hype one way or the other. In the end, the result is that my formal complaint has been submitted. Since I trust that the boycott will be enacted soon, and thus all complaints made public, I might as well post a carbon now. Also, some of the material may be new, so public availability would be a good thing.

Below is my formal complaint:

Site is owned by Tony Bishop (TonyB) and Georgina (GeorgieB), both of April Gold's fame. Throughout discussing this after Bournemouth Breeze's launch, they have been covering their respective pasts through lies and deflections.

Much of the discussion can be found in these locations:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/bournemouthbreezegojomailjewelclix-t439251.html
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/let_s_nip_this_in_the_bud-t441010.html
http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14664

In addition, their homepage at this time is sporting a banner requesting passers-by to "Please Make a Search!" - which is in violation of search engine/portal feed terms of service. Not only that, but the page which that banner leads to ( http://ww.nn.cn/gxla/ ) illegally claims to be "Google Search." Screenshots of these two pages are hosted below:

http://online-fraud.com/images/ss/bournemouthbreezehomepage.gif
http://online-fraud.com/images/ss/bournemouthbreezegigasearch.gif

Please carefully consider all of the disgusting practices, past and present, and take into mind the great burden of proof that these people ought to have, and how little trust their words should merit until shown otherwise.

In addition, I've put in a request for a head count on the number of formal complaints against BournemouthBreeze:

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?p=71069#post71069

Finally, thank you, Ed, for keeping an eye on the flaring emotions. :)

[Lia]

hello

i am happy for this thread to stay open.
I was the the admin who said he would close it if it dident carm down.

There are TOO many lies in here. DONT listen to 1 member (no names menshioned) you know who you are.

I have spoken to ptr site owners and they would trust tony.

But Its up to you who you trust. BUT please becareful and not believe the first thing you read..

Thanks for joining in
Lee

Hi Lee,

I don't believe the first thing I read. I am a firm believer in listening to what others have to say. As you can see I am not a big poster, however, I am a veracious reader.

I enjoy posts that contain information, like the one that Josh just posted.

Lia

[Josh]

That's so very true on every point. I don't know anyone who could have said it better -- that's why you said it. :)

Thank you for your words, Lia.

Josh

Hi Saxo,

I haven't posted yet so here comes my 2 cents.

My understanding is that a forum is for debates, discussions and education. It is up to the readers to determine what they believe. I feel there have been a lot of discrepancies in the stories. I hope this thread stays open so that we can get more details. After all a decision/judgment can only be made when one has the facts.

There are two sides to every story and the truth lies in the middle. So I look forward to hearing both sides.

Lia

[georgina]

In addition, their homepage at this time is sporting a banner requesting passers-by to "Please Make a Search!" - which is in violation of search engine/portal feed terms of service. Not only that, but the page which that banner leads to ( http://ww.nn.cn/gxla/ ) illegally claims to be "Google Search." Screenshots of these two pages are hosted below:

http://online-fraud.com/images/ss/bournemouthbreezehomepage.gif
http://online-fraud.com/images/ss/bournemouthbreezegigasearch.gif

Please carefully consider all of the disgusting practices, past and present, and take into mind the great burden of proof that these people ought to have, and how little trust their words should merit until shown otherwise.[/color]

Josh the ad it self was sent in by a member the ad and banner links were changed on the members end after the ad was sent. We do not force or ask for searches. Nor do we allow our members to. This member was warned for doing this in the past and has now been deleted and so have the ads them selves. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

[Ed 20002]

hello
I for one would like this thread closed, It is FULL of lies from only a couple of members, And I think this has gone far enough. I do think there is any need to keep this thread open, Its pointless. Its the same people over and over.

They are lieing over and over. lieing about HONEST owners.

Thanks
lee

Hello lee,

If I remember correctly threads made here in the Suggest A Program To Boycott aren't closed they just run their coarse and unless members are breaking the rules of the forum they remain open for discussion.

Everyone has a right to an opinion, whether you feel it's a lie or not it's still an opinion.

Just remember something, when an admin looks over the complaints made for any and all sites to be boycotted they carefully look at the facts given with each complaint good or bad and make their decision from there.

I hope this helps?

Thanks,

Ed

[Ed 20002]

hello
It was you who first said about closing this until evryone calmed down.
I only agreed with you.

Here's what I said:
It's time to get this thread back on topic for which it was originally started for in the first place and stop with the personal attacks.

If the personal attacks continue the thread will be closed for a short time for everyone involved to cool down.
It was said the thread would be closed if the personal attacks continued for a short time for what's called a cooling down period.


I'm sure you have enough complaints by now. Most people only come to forums to complain. Not alot of members actually come to forums to post good things.
I don't have any idea how many complaints have been made as that's handled by other Staff members of the forum.

I really want to know what the outcome of this is..
As long as everyone stays within the rules of the forum this thread will continue, it's not up to me to decide the outcome.

Thanks,

Ed

[freecashspace]

Well I really do hope you keep to your word and not LIE even more.

As I have spoke to a few program owners. And thay are quite willing to keep advertisising tonys programs.

There is only a select few that dont want to advertise his programs for there own reasons..

I have spoke to a programs owner who has been in the business for well over 3 years, and this owner will not ban them.. and this person kNOWS what happened to tony.

SO PLEASE KEEP TO YOUR WORD and not join any of these sites that promote SO CALLED SCAMMERS, You will end up with a load of rubbish sites earning you a few cents a day.

I hope I dont find out that you are a member of ANY sites that promote any of tonys sites..... ooh and any sites that are owned by friends of tony or georgina.

Goodbye, And I TRUELY WISH you the best of luck with quiting this business, The business would be ALOT better without people like you speading rubbish/lies about honest paying sites..Thanks for the heads-up, Lee. Why don't you post the names of all these owners who're happy to support and promote scammers like Tony? That way we can all make informed decisions about whether we want to support those owners or not. I have to admit, so far I haven't seen many ads for Bournemouth, and I hope I don't. I wish more owners would refuse to run ads for it, and I'm hoping that if it gets added to the Boycott List, that'll encourage more owners to refuse ads for it.

I'm quite happy to earn a few cents a day in programs run by honest owners who are trying to improve this industry rather than get paid by scammers and parasites and people who promote and support them. And I know I'm not the only one.

Cheers,

Wil

[Josh]

My secret? I have no "life" - If I always appeared online when at the site everyone would see all the time I spend on the computer and that just isn't right. :)

Other people? It can be nice to have privacy. It's not as though anyone's shying away from you. It's good to be able to read what you read without the thought of someone virtually peeking over your shoulder - that's a comfort that many of us treasure, online and offline. Aside from that, I get next to no PM spam when I'm on stealth. Those used to come in much more frequently when I always appeared online.

Just another 2¢, if that.

Josh

Its also quite funny why some of these members who are complaining, Are hiding on the forum. by not showing there online.

[freecashspace]

You want ME to help you know these sites that would allow ads for bournemouthbreeze, NO WAY!!

I KNOW there are PLENTY HONEST WM's that would except advertising for bournemouthbreeze, And I have NO intenshions of telling you what ones. Just for you to start spreading LIES about those programs also.

So you would much rather earn a few cents, Then get payed Dollars by SO CALLED scammers (I dont know any scammers that would actually pay)
But hay, you seem to know them.

SCAMS DONT PAYYou should make up your mind, Lee. :laugh: I thought you didn't want me joining all these programs run by people who support and promote Tony. How I am I supposed to know what programs to avoid if you don't tell me which ones they are? Oh well, I'll just have to take your word for it that there are lots of "honest" owners who support Tony. ;)

Yeah, I know plenty of scammers and other dishonest owners that pay, but I guess it depends on how you define scammer. For example, I know TonyB is a scammer because he ripped off all his AG members. Now he's paid out a total of 60 cents to Bournemouth members, so he's a scammer that pays.

But as I said in my earlier statement, I'd rather get paid by honest owners rather than by scammers, parasites and people who promote and support them. As far as I'm concerned, there are lots of other ways an owner can be a scammer and/or parasite besides doing a runner or otherwise not paying members. Like forcing searches or otherwise encouraging clickfraud, running 0 iframes, etc. Maybe you can earn dollars instead of cents per day in those programs. I wouldn't know, and I don't really care. My interest in programs like that doesn't really extend beyond trying to get them and their owners out of the PTR industry.

Cheers,

Wil

[freecashspace]

Spamming is against forum rules anyway..

I NEVER hide, And I have NEVER got anybody spamming me on her. This only shows 1 thing, That the admin/mods are doing there job well.

ANYWAY guys/gals this all all about bournemouthbreeze.
Not about sites that are willing to advertise them
Not other wm's who are friends with them
Not about making things personal
This Is ONLY about bournemouthbreeze

SO CAN WE ALL PLEASE KEEP TO THE SUBJECT IN HAND.

Anything else, make another thread about it either here or at gptforum

Thanks
LeeAs the thread starter I'd be more than happy to edit my original post to include all those issues so that they're official "on-topic" if anybody really thinks that's important.

Cheers,

Wil

[Esperanza]

So you would much rather earn a few cents, Then get payed Dollars by SO CALLED scammers (I dont know any scammers that would actually pay)
SCAMS DONT PAY
YES!!! I would - and in fact have been for the past years - rather earn a few cents then get paid dollars by scammers.
As to the 'so-called scammers' you refer to, LOTS of them pay! They pay their members with money earned with click and search fraud. Scam PO's are not just the ones that did a runner like Tony did with UnitedByTheWeb.

And i only Believe things when I see them with my own eye's. i NEVER believe much that is said in forums.. TOO many people lie about honest programs.
Typically, more members lie about dishonest programs, they have a lot more to gain there. But hey, if you're right there are two fine lists at this same forum: one is called the banned list, the other is called the watch list. Both lists are built with complaints of members from this and other forae - so perhaps you should join all programs listed and see with your own eyes if it's all true...

Just a thought. Those that fail to learn from the past are destined to repeat it. When a runner PO like Tony of UnitedByTheWeb tells a lot of lies - proven lies as they contradict both available facts and his own previous statements - to cover his butt, that is a clear sign he hasn't learned a thing. Fortunately many others have.

Another thing. As soon as Bournemouth Breeze is added to the boycott list all those 'honest PO's' you seem to know so well won't touch advertising for it with a 10 foot pole anymore. Accepting advertising for programs on the boycott list is a decided no no and anyone who does discredits him/herself immediately.

[freecashspace]

You said you dident want to join any sites that are SO CALLED dishonest, because they promote SO CALLED SCAMMERS..
I dident say I dident want ou to join them, I said that if you dont join there these basically is not many sites you can make a decent income..I guess it depends on what you consider a "decent income." I don't expect to make a decent income from PTR. I expect to read email ads and hopefully find some good bargains that will save me much more than I could ever earn from the tiny rewards given for reading those ads. But for anybody that is trying to earn a "decent income" from PTR, I hope they'll also consider whether or not they're earning an honeat income as well.

I sortoff agree on forced searches, but then on the other hand I dont mind searching, As I know i will be payed FAST.So you do searches because you get paid for them? Great. :(

I ONLY support people I trust. I dont support scammers (In my eyes).

As said before you got screwed by aprilsgold.. I dident now i'm not saying it was a scam or it wasent, I'm just saying I dident get screwed by the site.

And i only Believe things when I see them with my own eye's. i NEVER believe much that is said in forums.. TOO many people lie about honest programs.

E.g. you saying my site paidlinks.net is not honest because I am friends with tony. that does not make me dishonest. I just havent been scammed by tony and I truely believe that I will not..Actually, I didn't get screwed in the whole AprilGold's thing because I wasn't a member. And I can understand wanting to see things with your own eyes. It's easy to read Tony's lies with your own eyes. At one point he claimed to be the new owner of AprilGold's, then said he was closing the site down, and now he says he never owned it in the first place. Plenty of lies to read with your own eyes, if you care to look.

And I didn't say your site isn't honest because you're friends with Tony. I said people who defend and support scammers like TonyB do as much harm to this industry as the scammers themselves. And I'd prefer not to support, either as a member or an advertiser, sites owned by those people, including yours. And I think it would help improve this industry a lot if those programs were widely boycotted, either by being added to the official Boycott List or unofficially by people taking a stand.

Cheers,

Wil

[ellora]

I would much rather learn personally myself if a program is a scam.

There are many of us (about 24,000 or so) who have personally learnt that TonyB is a scam, and I would rather not learn again for a second time, thank you very much.

Submitted my boycott request for Bournemouth Breeze.

Here is the form for anyone else who may be interested in submitting a boycott: http://www.gptboycott.com/submit.php

You do not have to be a member of GPTBoycott or Bournemouthbreeze to submit this form.

[RBNLOVESPOH]

Submitted my boycott request for Bournemouth Breeze.

Here is the form for anyone else who may be interested in submitting a boycott: http://www.gptboycott.com/submit.php

You do not have to be a member of GPTBoycott or Bournemouthbreeze to submit this form.

I just submitted my boycott for Bournemouth Breeze as well.
Hopefully this will happen soon. The sooner the better in my opinion, before TonyB has a chance to do it again!
:baaa:

[investkid]

Maybe they are looking with "their own eyes" at all the threads about April's getpaidtoread program, TonyB and GeorgieB which sprouted recently and at the older threads which contain much needed info.

It is one thing to make up one's mind, it's another to make the same mistake in judgment twice.

[RBNLOVESPOH]

Maybe they are looking with "their own eyes" at all the threads about April's getpaidtoread program, TonyB and GeorgieB which sprouted recently and at the older threads which contain much needed info.

It is one thing to make up one's mind, it's another to make the same mistake in judgment twice.


This is what helped me make up my mind after many hrs of reading it all!
Once a scam/runner always a scam/runner:D .

I think people need to wake up to the fact that these people have done this in the past, they will more then likely do it again:hehe:

[cajunlady]

When I was young my mother told me the stove was hot. I believed her. Know why? When I saw the steam rising from the pot, I concluded, where there's smoke there's fire. Fire is hot, therefore I don't think I'll touch that stove.
In this case, Unitedbytheweb and April's Gold were the smoke. TonyB did a runner on both of those programs so why would anyone give him the chance to do it again? I didn't touch that stove and I'm not touching any program he's associated with