BeeHiveMail - Financial Problems? [Archive] - GPTBoycott Discussion Forum

trulyfair

19th January 2006, 04:14

It has come to my attention that BeeHiveMail is behind in payments. The TOS states payments will be made within 30 days but apparently several members have been awaiting payment longer than that.

The following is a partial quote from two Admin mails sent out today:

* Special * Want paid right away, and paid before reacing payout!
This week I will pay your balance in full, including what you make on signups IF you reach $2 and 6 signups...you can easily do this with the UK/International Signups

If you do 4 signups and reach $3.50 or more, I will pay you in full..simple and easy

Waiting for payment?? Do signups, send me a line and you get paid immediately

Waiting for payment? Rather than sit there and complain do 4 signups (*us/can/au/uk)
or do 3 signups...International..drop me a line and get paid today

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am paying out people right away who work with me to do a couple signups, this earns them money fast, helps the site and assures immediate payment

From what I have read on the forum, there have been no payments made since around Dec 8, 2005. The payments made on January 13 and 14 appear to be for signups only.

http://www.beehivemail.com/pages/forum/

IMHO things do not look good for this site when the PO is basically blackmailing members to do signups in order to be paid what they have already earned. Those who do them will get paid, those who do not, won't (at least not at the present time). :baaa:

Anyone considering joining BeeHiveMail would be well advised to think carefully before doing so.

lil crusader

19th January 2006, 05:22

Wow, I have to admit I'm totally shocked to see this happening on Beehive, a site that I'd always gotten the impression was in excellent financial shape.

I'm not a member, so maybe someone can explain to me the reasoning behind Cheri's requiring members to do sign-ups in order to get paid right away...Does she get some sort of kickback from those sign-ups that she can then use to pay people?

And even if she does get a kickback, what is the reasoning behind apparently giving priority to people who did sign-ups when it comes to being paid? Are they more important than those members who honestly earned the right to be paid but choose not to sign up for anything?

trulyfair

19th January 2006, 06:42

BeeHive may have appeared to be in excellent financial shape but I think that was mainly ascertained from Cheri's constant boasting about how much she had paid out.

I recall several months ago, in this very forum, telling her that the payout total meant absolutely nothing, that a business is judged on how much profit it makes.

Post #602 in this thread:
http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9790&page=41

Had Cheri been managing the program properly i.e. having reserve funds available, she would not have been "caught short" when the PayPal chargebacks happened - the latest one was December, 2005.

I would think that there are quite good kickbacks for signups and that is why Cheri is doing her utmost to have members support them; a quick and easy way for her to get funds for the program.

IMO members who do signups are no more important than those who do not. I assume Cheri's reasoning is if members know they are going to receive their payment faster then they are more likely to participate.

Josh

19th January 2006, 06:53

I don't know anything about hers in particular, but there's no reason that she should want members to complete sign ups unless they brought in something. Chances are they're through an affiliate CPA network, kinda like those on signupbuzz.com.

exchange.

19th January 2006, 09:25

cheri had problem with a hurrican but scince then she has not been contactable for long periods of time. the last time she contacted her members was to "TELL" them that they HAVE to do signups if they want to get paid.
the contact she made before that (about 1 week earlier) she told people that form about 8th december until the middle of january she did not have access to the internet as she only had access to her laptop, but she still had to approve ads that went out (for wich she nad to have been on the internet) and that she does not have to inform members that she will be away for a while nor does she have to explain why she is not making any payments.
it is my opinion that she is tired of running the site, she is complaining about 2 chargebacks (that the members must pay for) and all of the non-english speaking people emailing her about their payment.
advertisers and member are complaining about the lack of responce cheri has to any questions.
cheri is doing everything she hates that other wm's have done and she claimed she would never do that to her members, well she is now doing what she said she would 'never' do.

her other site SignupBuzz wich she started because it would make her more money also seems to have a lot of trouble with joining the site, getting signups approved and paid for.

bellestraker

19th January 2006, 09:44

Cheri ( Beehivemail ) was offline with no contact to members or mods since well before Christmas...Then she shows up and following are a couple quotes from her "Hi guys...Glad to be back post"

Her words pretty well sum up her feelings about the future of the site...

quote Cheri
I have gotten yet another chargeback from Paypal..from last august...makes me wonder if there is any way these sites can be sustainable at all

for those of you who want me to eat these every time...you get angry over $4 ....how do you think I feel at $144 or whatever? I am also totally sick of the way that I have NO control over these paypal deals...they claim a stolen account 6 months later and paypal takes my money....this is insane..and I am not sure how to handle it

I dont really see much future in any of these pay to click site, i really think signups are better, I am much happier with signupbuzz frankly...sorry to be a bummer, but I run this site at sustainable prices, enough to cover your pay, my hosting...

but then? I am hit with these absurd "returns"....and changing my ad page means that people still send me NEW bulk ads in paypal..then I have to return the money and/or ask them for egold or "fight' with them

this is really less and less fun lately, and yes, for those who ask am I sick of it? yep...perhaps I am ...
end quote

her next post was to reem everyone out for not "having" a solution to HER problem.

quote Cheri
I do not see any of you providing any answers as to what to do about chargeback's like this...I would have thought that the first solution I had months ago, to take 10 cents off the payouts would have been cool..but oh no..it just resulted in a ton of complaints and a lot of busy work for me

For instance, today I had yet another hyip ad sent in...tho the site clearly says not to send them...I am sick of fighting...sick of sending people a letter asking them to run a different ad, sick of going into paypal to do a refund....I feel just like keeping the money and not sending the ad frankly, but then there would be those repercussions

so today I sent out a hyip ad...dont it ? dont click it or dont join it..I really dont care....this is very boring to sit here and play nurse nanny over all these ads, trying to sort out if they ad is going to give people fits or not, oh my a randomizer...

as if any of these ads are that powerful LOL> I bet that 'real ads" could run every day here and no one would buy or do anything , just as probably no one will invest..but somehow i am supposed to run hoops and loops and sit and argue with people who dont have a real grasp of english?? that is one of the fundimental problems in the ptr world

I thought that offering good bulk ads would solve that....but with the rate of chargebacks 6 months later I am so disgusted i do not know where to turn

I have added a bunch of signups to the site....uk signups...au signups...some for "all" and new usa signups...if people want to support the site they can get a hotmail address, download roboform and do a couple signups ....I am happy to pay right away on those

that "instant buzz' signups I did before Christmas worked well and I think that is a "future" idea that will work...this stuff of taking in ads and getting stiffed for hundreds of dollars from 6 months ago sucks period
End Quote.

Well Cheri found a solution to her problem...she knew the members would "whine" if she just deducted it again...so she used a new trick to pick their pockets.
She is forcing them to earn it "AGAIN" by doing sign ups..and THEN she will pay.

One more who was great at telling everyone else how it should be done but not much at doing it herself.

I understand Cheri's frustration and actually sympathize with it..BUT my sympathy does not run deep enough that it gives me any desire to pay her chargebacks..

During her difficulties after the hurricane everyone understood and was willing to wait but this is a whole diferent ball game..

We have all complained that GPTB does not move fast enough on boycotts so lets give them the ammo this time and see how it goes...

* I am not trying to drum up complaints but if you have them...lets get them added.

* I thought Paypal had a 45 day limit on chargebacks...

Belle

lil crusader

19th January 2006, 14:24

* I thought Paypal had a 45 day limit on chargebacks...

That's exactly what I was thinking when I read the things you posted Belle, yet Cheri's posts make it sound like both of her chargebacks came 6 months after the transaction. If I was the suspicious type, I might be starting to wonder if there really were any chargebacks at all and at the very least, I'd probably go digging thru PayPal's terms to see if there are any circumstances that allow that 45 day limit to be extended. (Even if the initial complaint was made within that 45-day limit, I find it extremely hard to believe that an investigation concerning any kind of fraud/stolen funds would take that long to complete, particularly considering PayPal's reputation for acting first and asking questions later.)

Also, this new "do sign ups if you want to be paid what I already owe you" tactic is eerily reminiscent of Mike Burns' demand to "buy products from my website if you want to be paid what I already owe you" and we all know how that turned out.

I really do feel bad for all those people who probably joined Beehive based on the good reputation it used to have.

pietro

19th January 2006, 14:45

Belle, you are correct. According to PayPal's resolution center page at https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/customerservice/EducationIdentifyIssue

All claims must be filed within 45 calendar days of payment.

So unless the person purchasing the ads did not pay until 45 days before they claimed their chargeback they most likely would have to file a complaint and have that complaint decided in their favor, which could take up to 60 days depending upon the responses from both sides to PayPal's inquiries.

I know I got into it with Cheri last year about the "accidental" search ads I was receiving when I had opted out of receiving such things. Since her return better than half of the ads I've received have been searches disguised as "this domain for sale" ads. I've not posted here since I wasn't sure if those are technically classified as search ads, however, if the end result is that I'm seeing a search portal I personally believe they are.

Is it a valid complaint that I receive ads I specifically requested NOT to receive? If I can get a ruling on that, I'll make the decision as to whether or not I will file a complaint.

Josh

19th January 2006, 19:00

I'd probably go digging thru PayPal's terms to see if there are any circumstances that allow that 45 day limit to be extended.

Perhaps something has changed in the last couple of months. As of last fall, chargebacks could not be made after 45 days under any circumstances. At that time, once you entered the information, it would simply take you to a page stating that too much time had passed, but that you were able to file a complaint on SafeHarbor if the transaction had taken place over eBay.

lil crusader

19th January 2006, 19:56

Is it a valid complaint that I receive ads I specifically requested NOT to receive? If I can get a ruling on that, I'll make the decision as to whether or not I will file a complaint.

IMO that would really depend upon whether or not the program states that all searches are opt-in only. If it does, then yes, you would definitely have reason to complain if you're getting things you didn't opt in to receive. On the other hand, if it doesn't say that, then no, you really don't have grounds for a formal complaint since sometimes advertisers choose to buy ads to all if they're available in order to reach more people.

pietro

19th January 2006, 20:19

Perhaps something has changed in the last couple of months. As of last fall, chargebacks could not be made after 45 days under any circumstances. At that time, once you entered the information, it would simply take you to a page stating that too much time had passed, but that you were able to file a complaint on SafeHarbor if the transaction had taken place over eBay.

Out of curiosity I did a chargeback on a payment I had made to an organization I belong to (with their permission) that took place in September of last year.

This was the response.

Thank you for filing a buyer complaint.

Unfortunately, this complaint has been closed because it does not meet PayPal's complaint policy guidelines. However, your complaint has been noted in the record of the PayPal member whom you reported.

We encourage you to continue to work directly with your seller, as we have found that many misunderstandings reach amicable solutions through communication.

To learn more about PayPal's complaint policy guidelines, please go to the 'Help' link of the PayPal website and click on the Protection Policies category link.

I followed the link as instructed and found

Eligibility. Buyer complaints must be filed within 45 days of the payment. Even if the buyer’s claim is justified, the buyer will receive a recovery only if there are funds in the seller’s account. RECOVERY OF YOUR CLAIM IS NOT GUARANTEED.

Bolding done by PayPal.

Following the link a bit further I found:

We encourage buyers to contact the seller directly in an attempt to resolve a dispute. If a dispute cannot be resolved and all required steps to resolve the dispute have been taken, the buyer can file a buyer claim within 45 days of the initial payment. Learn how to file a claim in the Resolution Center with a step-by-step tutorial.

Bolding done by me.

Checking the tutorial though I did find the following:

If you accepted the chargeback or did not provide PayPal with the information required to dispute the chargeback, PayPal will accept the chargeback and recover the buyer’s funds from your account.

If you provided information to help PayPal dispute the claim, your Chargeback Specialist will attempt to recover your funds from the credit card issuer. This process can take up to 75 calendar days and we will communicate with you throughout the process to keep you informed of your case status. Once the case is resolved, you will be notified by email and in the Resolution Center.

Bolding by me.

Not sure about the rest of you but I don't see how a chargeback from 6 months ago could be processed at this point in time unless it was one very determined buyer and they managed to harass PayPal into bypassing their established procedures AND Cheri did not respond when they required more information.

pietro

19th January 2006, 20:32

IMO that would really depend upon whether or not the program states that all searches are opt-in only. If it does, then yes, you would definitely have reason to complain if you're getting things you didn't opt in to receive. On the other hand, if it doesn't say that, then no, you really don't have grounds for a formal complaint since sometimes advertisers choose to buy ads to all if they're available in order to reach more people.

Then in this case it would appear I have a valid reason for a complaint. I believe it not only states on her front page that searches are opt in only (not sure of the exact wording and I can't seem to get the page to load right now), not to mention Cheri's own words to me when I brought this up the first time. She made it abundantly clear that she does not send searches to those who do not have the option checked, unless, of course, it's "accidental" due to the ad being "new".

Josh

19th January 2006, 20:38

Not sure about the rest of you but I don't see how a chargeback from 6 months ago could be processed at this point in time unless it was one very determined buyer and they managed to harass PayPal into bypassing their established procedures AND Cheri did not respond when they required more information.

That's the key point. Responding in any reasonable amount of time will cut short the length of time required for the process, and is the only way to even have a chance of a ruling going in your favor. Failure to respond gives the complaining party a supposed "automatic" win - though I am sure PayPal does still check for signs of fraud, so it's not a certain guarantee.

PayPal bypassing its procedures wouldn't surprise me all that much, though. :hehe:

pietro

19th January 2006, 20:45

PayPal bypassing procedures wouldn't surprise me either Josh. However, don't you think if the buyer were so determined that they would keep pressuring PayPal to do this, there wouldn't be more of an action on PayPal's part to insure that the problem did not occur again? As in closing the account? Especially if it has truly occured multiple times against the same buyer?

Josh

19th January 2006, 21:03

I'm not sure about two or three transacations, unless they were big-ticket items. Get half a dozen or so within a reasonable time period and you may be looking at problems, however.

PayPal bypassing procedures wouldn't surprise me either Josh. However, don't you think if the buyer were so determined that they would keep pressuring PayPal to do this, there wouldn't be more of an action on PayPal's part to insure that the problem did not occur again? As in closing the account? Especially if it has truly occured multiple times against the same buyer?

Mallerie

19th January 2006, 21:05

lol is this hardley suprising?

how many months and months and months and how many programs and program owners did she go off on about late payments, getting behid and such? she knew oh so better and all of it was just a bunch of po lies, mismanagement, etc. guess now that shoe is on her foot, it aint fittin so well.

lol!

karma is one mean wench. it comes back to bite you right hard. i feel sorry for the membrers but hey. you reap what you sow.

trulyfair

19th January 2006, 22:18

Then in this case it would appear I have a valid reason for a complaint. I believe it not only states on her front page that searches are opt in only (not sure of the exact wording and I can't seem to get the page to load right now), not to mention Cheri's own words to me when I brought this up the first time. She made it abundantly clear that she does not send searches to those who do not have the option checked, unless, of course, it's "accidental" due to the ad being "new".

The BeeHive site is down for me too, (coincidence or has BeeHive gone?) but I did find this in the Referral Centre here:

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12570

Get Paid to Read eMails;
Click Ads!
Searches OPT IN Only!
Freebies that PAY YOU!~Signups that PAY YOU!
No Points! All Cash!
Low $1.00 Payout via PayPal!

Australia, Austria, Belgium, , Denmark, Finland, France, Germany,Greece, Iceland, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom ONLY

PLUS...Get Paid even MORE when your Friends Signup!
<1 Level Referral earnings...Earn 12% for those members who join under you, with Only 25% activity requirement !!
Only 25% activity requirement !!

AUTOMATIC
MassPays for ALL! NO need to Request!
Low $4 Payout (NO Fee) E-Gold/ MoneyBookers paid weekly
PP Payouts made within 78 hours!
Payments made several times a week!

So it would seem that you have every right to file a complaint, Pietro. I certainly would if I were still a member, but I quit right after the 10-cent fee fiasco. I saw some writing on the wall. :laugh:

ETA: I think members who are awaiting payment should file a complaint, as the only way they will get it within a reasonable time, is by completing signups. That is not right!

trulyfair

20th January 2006, 02:52

I just checked and the BeeHive site is up again.

pietro

20th January 2006, 05:42

An update. PayPal sent the organization I was testing with an e-mail saying that they would NOT process the complaint because it was over 45 days but that they would keep it on record and reserved the right to take action for the next 75 days if additional complaints were received.

exchange.

20th January 2006, 10:43

freespirit

20th January 2006, 16:10

melanie

21st January 2006, 02:14

I got out right after she raised the payout from $1 to $4. Not long before that I'd requested payout and was surprised to see paypal fees had been deducted. As much time as I spent clicking away there, I didn't think it fair I should have to pay the fees on top of that. So when the minimum was raised that was enough for me to say "bye-bye!"

Melanie

trulyfair

21st January 2006, 03:16

well cheri is paying members BUT only at signupbuzz!
there is still not responce at beehivemail, in the forum, paid emails or answers to her email adress or contact adress.

everything is pointing to cheri is no longer interested in beehivemail
exchange if you are the same person who is a member of BeeHive and held the position of moderator, I have news for you, you are now demoted!

Cheri is back today "in full force" and has not been impressed with your posts. You should be commended for standing up and telling it like it is. Good for you, you have my vote. :D There is no way that she should be making members complete signups to get paid what they have already earned.

She is also threatening to delete a member who has been waiting for payment for over 30 days. He has posted information for others to complain here and I guess that has her upset. :laugh: They do say the truth hurts, don't they?

Josh

21st January 2006, 03:23

trulyfair

21st January 2006, 03:38

Maybe I should get out now then as I only get about 4 emails a day, so thats approx 400 days to reach the $4 payout :(

Its a bit sillly saying members ahve to sign up to sites if they want their payout . What if someone is already with ALL the programms in the sign up section?
The signups are not for programs, they are through Ad Agencies and are "paid by action".

The downside to these is you have to be prepared for all the spam you will receive and, in some cases, you have to provide a credit card number.:baaa:

bellestraker

21st January 2006, 04:51

I found her targetting of exchange to be appalling. Exchange has never been out to undermine Cheri - she has stood up for her even when it was undeserved. Now that Cheri is pulling something that is contradicting what members agreed to upon signing up, why should exchange be punished for speaking the truth?

*round of applause* for going where no mod has gone before (okay, not many, anyway).

I just have a few minutes but wanted to second the applause.

So many have trashed the mods who "remained silent" while the site took a nose dive and now we have a smattering of those bashing exchange for NOT doing the same thing.

Cheri aso deleted another member ( harrasment? )for telling members that they could lodge a complaint here...

I believe that I also read she was going to delete some posts which were "harrassing"

definition of harrassing seems to be..."questioning an order to do signups in order to get paid money already earned".

Yes, Cheri is following in her own well laid foot steps...of doing almost everything (and then some) of which she bashed others for doing.

Another day in gptr..

Belle

Dawn Michelle

21st January 2006, 05:25

Is Cheri banned or something? I'm surprised she isn't here defending her program like she used too.

trulyfair

21st January 2006, 05:32

Is Cheri banned or something? I'm surprised she isn't here defending her program like she used too.
She got banned a couple of months ago.

bellestraker

21st January 2006, 05:43

Yes Dawn.. she is banned here and most of us would prefer to discuss the problems with her at HER FORUM ( where she can respond) but it has been very clearly stated that questioning her actions is considered undermining and/or harrassment and she will not stand for it...

As mentioned above..she has demodded one person ( exchange) and threatened others so this appears to be the best alternate method of exchanging information with other members.

Belle

trulyfair

21st January 2006, 06:17

I wonder if there are any mods left? I see alitheal06, kathbeany, snark and exchange listed but none of them, apart from exchange, have posted in the last while.

Exchange is still listed as a mod in the "Bees Helping Bees" section. I guess Cheri forgot to finish the job. What else is new? :laugh:

exchange.

21st January 2006, 14:22

yes i am the same exchange as the one in beehivemail
well i think cheri will delete me and all my posts when she sees my answer to her acusations about me.
how can i be undermining her or breaking any of here terms when all i am posting is the truth?
i have read the terms and faq numerous time now and no-where does it say anything like 'you cannot tell the truth'
cheri claims that the truth is hurting the site and that i am to blame (huh)
i stood up for her when she was right but for 1 1/2 months now she has been getting lazier and more demanding of the members.
well this is not on as she is breaking more of her own terms each day

she is even willing to ban me because i ask for my money?
after no reponce from her i send her a paypal request, HEY she came to the forum after she recieved my request and imediatly attacked me, well know i know how to get her attention

exchange.

22nd January 2006, 01:55

the latest just in

here is a quote from a member at beehive:
I was Amazed how fast I got paid...I decided to do 3 sign-ups, and 2 of them were simply by entering my "zip"...Wow Thanks so much, I'm going to check out others to sign-up with... Everyone should do this, So Easy.... Thanks for the Fast Payout..in Minutes!!

so you must do signups in order to get paid
join beehivemail and get ready for a truck load of spam

Josh

22nd January 2006, 02:25

The spam wouldn't be what bothers me the most, since you could always block it, use another address, etc. Sure, that is bad, it's just not the worst part.

You, and others, didn't sign up under terms of compulsory signups. You signed up under terms of being paid within 30 days, without a requirement of signing up for anything else.

The attitude of not even showing an ounce of care for her members reeks. At the very, very least she should close up and pay everyone, then move on and grow her other site(s) in the way that she wants. There's no reason to dangle a carrot in front of people when they should have been paid weeks ago.

It's understandable that beehivemail didn't turn out as beneficial as she wanted it to. I don't believe that should be held against her. I do believe that she should have done enough preparation work and studying up to learn how these sites actually go, but that is not a requirement for opening a site, it's just a wise choice. As far as I am concerned, though, there is a requirement of decency - standing by what you've promised to your members, and by what you claimed for so long was important.

trulyfair

22nd January 2006, 03:34

Mallerie

22nd January 2006, 04:51

You are right about that Josh, Cheri's attitude toward her members is absolutely disgusting.

She should pay everyone and close up "shop", as she has made it very clear that the work involved in a PTR site is much too overwhelming for her. IMO she does not have the business sense or customer service approach necessary for such an undertaking.

id doubt she woud pay everyone. she will blame anythign she can so she doesnt have to and only pay people that do extra for her.

wonder what all her 'supporters' think of her now. too bad ani cant post here she was always in the thick of it with freebie hooplaing it up trashing anyone she wanted. now freebie is in the hot seat but of course nothing will be her fault.

i wouldnt go so far as calling her a scam because obviously she watns. she sure would deserve it though. i think she got a slap in the face reality idea of how hard it is out there to run one of these things and it aint what she thought it was gonna be.

i alwyas wondered why those folks that constantly harp on what other pos do wrong dont bother starting programs themselves. seems like 'one of their own' finally did and its not working out. wonder what the rest of that 'ptr savior group' thinks of all this now? really bit fat 'i told you so' on the cusp of happening.

Josh

22nd January 2006, 05:15

I don't see anything wrong in pointing out what POs have done wrong, even without starting a program of your own. If we couldn't do that, then we'd have to follow their every whim unless we actually went out on our own venture, which is certainly not going to help the business if we all do that. :hehe:

The problem lies in griping about other POs, saying you have the answers, and then going against your own answers.

The problem lies in defrauding your members.

bellestraker

22nd January 2006, 05:57

I think the reason why people tend to get a bit angrier with Cheri than some others is that she has not just done a FEW of the things she bashed other PO's for doing..she Has done darn near EVERY ONE plus added a lot of her own new kinks to the mix.

After being one of the most vocal and non relenting spokespersons against other PO's and a believer that there is no room for mistakes or failure....there is only rip offs and scammers.

Then she opened her own site and while still riding high she let everyone know "That she was sick of the bad PO's and had opened her own site to show how it should be done..."

Well Cheri...you convinced many and yep...you sure showed us..

I guess it really is easier to tell everyone how its done..than it is to do it.

Have a good one

Belle

Mallerie

22nd January 2006, 07:20

trulyfair

24th January 2006, 21:41

Well, well, well, it looks like Cheri is worried, she has started to delete posts at the BeeHive forum. Someone had responded to a member who was complaining by posting a link to GFPBoycott to submit a complaint and the post is gone!

Here's her latest rant:

And it is a crap shoot for us as well....getting hit by paypal 6 or 7 months after selling bulk ads with claims they were bought with 'stolen accounts"..and having the money simply taken away is NOT fun

I am totally sick of some of you, wanna go? go
i really do NOT care...I am not putting more money into this..I never did say that people HAD to do signups, I asked nicely and offered to pay for them plus pay people fast..which I am doing

some of you have lied about me, claiming I "sold the site">> or that I was closing...you want to sit here and post that foolish boycott forum here on my bandwidth?

winston has been posting crap about me since he hit $4..

I dont want to change the TOS, but if you want me to I will

You know..this is the same thing that happened before, with the "ten cent' fee....a few people carried on and on....I had to eat that money, well I am NOT eating this

as for "forcing" you to do signups...no one tells you which or what you have to do, many to choose from...people do NOT get paid at sites like MyPoints, Freeride, Inboxdollars without "action" or signups....what is the big deal

you know, I was not even going to change that or force that..but really reading some of these posts you sure do NOT make me want to do much for some of you..

others? I am again, willing to work with you....

I have added a bunch of really simple signups to the usa/email/zip signups area if anyone is interested

I am not going to sit here and have people keep at me like winston is doing and has been doing...do NOT post stuff in my own forum to try to hurt me or I am just deleting you..dont like it? sue me or whatever you want to do.

gardenlilly :0)

25th January 2006, 01:58

Asked nicely? Cheri has never been nice about ANYTHING!

I stopped spending time on her site for the following reasons....

1. she has a bad attitude towards people. She never realized without her members she would have never had anything.

2. purchase referrals, she deducted the money right away and you would have to hound her for weeks to credit them. always some excuse.

3. the 10 cent fee. this was the final straw for me. one thing i can't stand is all these sites expecting their loyal members to eat the cost of their bad business decisions. we did not take the ad or lack a procedure to insure they were valid transactions.

4. too many limited e-mails. i am sick of being sent expired e-mails. if it is only for 400 clicks, only send them to 400 people. i don't like wasting my time. this is the reason i also quit so red the rose.

5. links only worth 1/4 cent. even searches which require even more work than the others. there are better sites that pay better for your time. or make the timer 10 sec, its not worth 20.

6. her constant bashing on the forums. she is rude and out of control. and i find it unethical to bash others in your industry for their business practices, just to make yours look better. I am glad she is no longer on this forum, too many people were verbally(typed, lol) abused by her posts, which is uncalled for.

7. her blatant disrespect for non us members. she only likes them when they are buying ads.

8. she already had 1 failed site

9. her lack of response for support, by forum, or e-mail. even when i wanted to buy ads and had questions i never got reponses.

10. increased payout takes forever to get to.

I for one will be glad to see this wm disappear. if anyone is harrassing it is her on the forums.

just my reasons.

Josh

25th January 2006, 02:01

7. her blatant disrespect for non us members. she only likes them when they are buying ads.

Apparently, a lot of foreign members/advertisers have not had their redemptions or purchases sent out, either. :(

Josh

25th January 2006, 02:05

Well, well, well, it looks like Cheri is worried, she has started to delete posts at the BeeHive forum. Someone had responded to a member who was complaining by posting a link to GFPBoycott to submit a complaint and the post is gone!

A lot of posts have been removed between a couple of visits I made. If I had been paying closer attention, I may have noticed even more missing.

It's really sad how she's saying they have to do signups because MyPoints and other sites are run on a signup-reward basis. Well, gee, isn't that what those sites claim to be, and mention in their terms? I don't see any claim of hers on-site that says this, and it certainly isn't in her terms. Even if it was, it wasn't when members earned what they now have in their balances.

The "don't-like-me-sue-me" approach is very sad, too.

exchange.

25th January 2006, 07:09

bellestraker

25th January 2006, 07:47

oh dear she has banned me form her furum just for stating facts
but strangely enough she has not deleted my beehivemail membership

anyway i have asked paypal to look into her account

if a few more people do that then maybe paypal will freeze her account and we may get paid

I know you are just searching for answers exchange but personally...I am against contacting paypal unless something ( fraud etc) has been done specifically with a paypal account which is not the case with a site being late or non paying to members.

I am sure their reply would be that they are not a collection agency but it isn't their possible lack of response that concerns me as much as the fact that this action when done previously has only served to have paypal freeze a lot of innocent site accounts and cause major havoc for others. ( Including members of those sites)

I do not know of any instance where Cheri has broken Paypal tos and if she hasn't then reporting to them would fall under the " Report everyone to everybody for everything...Real or imagined" which IMO is almost as wrong as what Cheri has done
Some people believe thats its OK to report to everyone with absolutely any charge they can think of with the hope that somehow something may stick...

IMO that is partially what has diluted the complaints to many agencies and made it much more difficult to be taken seriously..

Hopefully once the site is boycotted she will at least be stopped and even if that doesn't pay everyone..It doesn't let her rip them off for more and I have no doubt that the few who are being paid are getting their money so they will promote more to jump in.

I know it is your decision but I hope you will at least think about the possible repercussion to others ( For what IMO is no benefit ).

Belle.

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Josh

25th January 2006, 08:00

I am with Belle on that point. As handy as it may seem, reporting her account would do more harm than good.

What companies may be more interested in fraud specifically relating to them would be the affiliate lead-based programs which she is using for demanded sign ups. Those companies' advertisers would be royally ticked. Incentivization is one thing (on sign ups for which it is allowed), but forcing is a completely different story.

lil crusader

25th January 2006, 14:24

if a few more people do that then maybe paypal will freeze her account and we may get paid

ummm.....you do realize that when an account is frozen, then NO payments can be made from it, don't you?

I agree that what she is doing is totally wrong, but what's the point in cutting off your nose to spite your face by trying to shut down her ability to pay you or anyone else?

PaulaJane

25th January 2006, 16:08

Could someone please explain to me what this means?
Had Cheri been managing the program properly i.e. having reserve funds available, she would not have been "caught short" when the PayPal chargebacks happened - the latest one was December, 2005.
Thank you,

pietro

25th January 2006, 16:44

I believe (and Pam can correct me if I'm wrong) it means that Cheri should never have counted on every payment made being legitimate and that there would never be a problem with any of them. She should not have been playing her account so close that the chargeback would have stopped her from paying people, let alone make the individual members pay back the amount...and from what I understand pay back MORE than was "stolen".

Business people, real business people, usually have funds in reserve for emergencies of any kind. They do not usually make their patrons pay for things that happen through no fault of the patron. When a store raises its prices most often it's because the suppliers have done the same, not because the store has been receiving bad checks.

wagdoll

25th January 2006, 17:19

Business people, real business people, usually have funds in reserve for emergencies of any kind. They do not usually make their patrons pay for things that happen through no fault of the patron. When a store raises its prices most often it's because the suppliers have done the same, not because the store has been receiving bad checks.

In my mind, the more correct thing to do would be to raise prices, what Cheri did was more like docking the staff wages that they had earned in the past month, even though their work was not substandard and the loss was not their fault. If Cheri had raised her ad prices to recoup the loss, would anyone have complained?

If the site is being run sustainably why is a $144 loss something she can't take a few months to recoup from future ad prices? I realise PTRs suffer so much more than other businesses from this type of thing, but other businesses do suffer losses, shops have shoplifting and can't always just claim from insurance.

The domain for sale ads, these must be a dilemma for PO's, as the TOS of the parked domain services say you must not ask for searches or anything. They are not incentivised searches, so if the owner sends them out as such, the owner of the domain could lose the money they have earned so far from the parking service. If I wanted to sell a domain, why would I send that under the 'search' category?

Granted it's all semantics in order to break the rules and encourage members into doing searches even though incentive searches is against the rule of the search engine involved.

cddothan

25th January 2006, 17:42

Wow, Beehive boycotted.
I was a member of Beehive for several months and
always got paid on time. I do remember the time when she charged like 10 cents, if I remember right, when a member would reach payout due to a chargeback.Because instead of being paid once your account balance was $1.00, no one would be paid until they had at least $1.10.At the time I didn't see a problem with that, but now that I think back on it she should have set up a donation redemption and let that be the member's choice, after all why should every member be held responsible for what someone else did.
I had to quit the site about 6 months ago when I started my site, just didnt have the time for all the sites I had been a member of.The last time I did visit BeeHive I noticed the payout min. was raised, a sign that a program is going downhill. Especially with most sites lowering their minimum.

dcwike

25th January 2006, 17:44

Perfectionism brings it's own demise. I think that's what went wrong, here.

IMO, Cherri was a perfectionist who came up with a program she thought offered a way for everyone to earn more than the norm in PTR.

As a perfectionist, she could "see" everything "wrong" with other PO's methods of operation and brazonly voiced her opinion.

When everything's going right, as in fast payouts, members cooperating with signups (where she earned the most return), a perfectionest can brag, "Look at me! See how successfull I am! Look how much I am paying out, compared to you."

But, when the chips fall, as they did with that first chargeback, and she passed the cost onto her members, things were no longer "perfect" to the members. Members began to complain.

Even then, I stood by her (yes, her "perfectionist" attitude did go against my grain, but, at that time, her gripes were legit), when she passed the 10 cent fee on to us. All businesses pass the costs down to the customer, whether you believe that or not. Anything that reduces the net profits of a business causes the retail/service prices to rise - theft, fuel prices, what not.

A perfectionest can do no wrong. Any complaints against one does not compute; therefore, any reasons for complaint are not justified, not in the perfectionist's frame of mind. They will either be ignored or vehemently argued. Especially if they have any given power - as in owning a PTR site.

And, so be it. It was a good thing while everyone was happy. It's time to let go, now. Cut your loss and move on.

In my eyes, the boycott is legitimate.

trulyfair

25th January 2006, 18:00

But, when the chips fall, as they did with that first chargeback, and she passed the cost onto her members, things were no longer "perfect" to the members. Members began to complain.

Even then, I stood by her (yes, her "perfectionist" attitude did go against my grain, but, at that time, her gripes were legit), when she passed the 10 cent fee on to us. All businesses pass the costs down to the customer, whether you believe that or not. Anything that reduces the net profits of a business causes the retail/service prices to rise - theft, fuel prices, what not.

That is where Cheri made her first major mistake. The cost should have been passed on to the advertisers (customers) not the members (independent contractors).

ETA: I am unable to access the BeeHive site at this time. Is it just me or can anyone else access it?

dcwike

25th January 2006, 18:04

Very good point, trulyfair!:) That WOULD have worked here!

pietro

25th January 2006, 18:06

In my mind, the more correct thing to do would be to raise prices, what Cheri did was more like docking the staff wages that they had earned in the past month, even though their work was not substandard and the loss was not their fault. If Cheri had raised her ad prices to recoup the loss, would anyone have complained?

A much better example than my patrons one. Thank you wagdoll

bellestraker

25th January 2006, 18:12

ETA: I am unable to access the BeeHive site at this time. Is it just me or can anyone else access it?

Me either...

dcwike

25th January 2006, 19:13

Could be a number of reasons: server problems at either end; some PO's disable the site to outside connection when working on the site - who knows?

That's not to say this "coincidence" isn't Cherri's doing. She could very well be pulling one of her "stunts."

But, time will tell. Usually if it's one of the above reasons, the site returns from within a few minutes to a few hours - unless it's major server problems on the host's end.

Question is, should those who are still members hang in there with hopes that Cherri will eventually pay?

Being that I'm just about halfway to payout, I'm undecided as to whether I want to just quit and move on, or hang in there and hope.

pietro

25th January 2006, 20:02

If it were a major server problem wouldn't other sites hosted by that company also be affected? Unless Cheri has a dedicated server I don't think it would just be hers and I've not seen any other reports of programs being offline.

I truly hope you are right and it is something that will be corrected. Especially for those who were working with Cheri and getting paid even though many of us never will be.

trulyfair

25th January 2006, 20:03

Question is, should those who are still members hang in there with hopes that Cherri will eventually pay?

Being that I'm just about halfway to payout, I'm undecided as to whether I want to just quit and move on, or hang in there and hope.
After all that has happened, I honestly don't think members would be wise to waste their time clicking. Who knows what stunt Cheri would pull next to avoid her responsibilities?

Unfortunately, there seem to be many members who think they are the ones who are responsible and will go to pretty well any lengths to keep the program running.

In the meantime those who are at, or close to, pay out level could just click enough links to keep their accounts active to see what transpires. It would be a shame for members at that level, to simply unsubscribe and thus reduce the site debt.

ryandylan

25th January 2006, 21:17

elizabeth01

25th January 2006, 21:25

Me either...

Me either can not log on for the last few hours

Mallerie

25th January 2006, 21:32

bellestraker

25th January 2006, 21:46

I can tell you all right now that yes Beehive did look good with paying out all the time, do to the fact she was paying her members from her own pocket and whatever ad revenue was coming in.. She more than likely got sick of using her own money.. I don't blame her for that. But, being non-responsive to email enquiries and not informing members of what is truly going on, that is unacceptable. I am no big hurry for my money right now.. i just hit payout 2 days ago. she still has 28 days to pay me.. after that, i will start to wonder.. But, alot of sites are getting to that situation because people just sit there in front of the puter, and watch the time expire.. They don't support the advertisers or the site. It's impossibly for a site to survive without MEMBERS supporting the ads. Cheri, if you read this.. please, give us an explanation of what on earth is going on with you.. Or, did you sell the site to scammer that we don't know about? We need an explanation.

As in the case of Beehive..where the PO very bluntly stated to "join,dont join, click or dont click...I dont care"...I would say its small wonder that members are not too supportive.

Cheri has never even tried to pretend that she expects members to be supportive of the signups..Its clear they are simply an alternate gravy train to the slowly sinking search fraud so am not sure how you have decided this is a "member" problem.

As for Cheri putting in any of her own money..IF that has happened I do not see that as a problem either.
Do most businesses not have to use some of their own funds in the first year or two until it gets off the ground...

IMO. The lack of preparation and/or business sense in many gptr sites is a recipe for disaster and blaming the members has become a convenient "out" for those PO's.

Have a good one

Belle

dcwike

25th January 2006, 21:59

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Ryandylan, you do have a point, as many webmasters DO use out-of-pocket expenses to get started and it can reasonably be assumed that people don't "READ" the emails, but, just click and stare without giving support to the advertiser - as in purchasing or joining a program.

However, consider the fact that "advertising" is as advertising does - and is not always based on financial or signup returns.

If you have a product or something YOU feel is a good deal, it may be that advertising could prove or dis-prove whether others will feel the same way.

Keep in mind, NOT ALL members are the "click and stare" type. There ARE those of us genuinely interested in offers, taking chances with signups for other ptr programs, whatever.

Any advertiser that expects 100% return may also believe that there are little pink piglets that can fly, too. And, by such, will not become a repeat customer.

If an advertiser returns with another ad, as is the case with a lot of programs, it's because they were happy with the returns they got before.

Cherri expected 100% from her members. Even resorted to coaxing such with dishonesty -telling us to use "throw-away" email addresses;and to sign up for free trials we were not interested in by using the "bow-out out of before being charged for such" pursuasion. And, finally, adding "forced" signups in order to be paid. Don't you think the advertisers SAW that?

It is by her own actions that caused her demise - not that of her members.

bellestraker

25th January 2006, 22:39

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Cherri expected 100% from her members. Even resorted to coaxing such with dishonesty -telling us to use "throw-away" email addresses;and to sign up for free trials we were not interested in by using the "bow-out out of before being charged for such" pursuasion. And, finally, adding "forced" signups in order to be paid. Don't you think the advertisers SAW that?

It is by her own actions that caused her demise - not that of her members.

You always say it much better than I do.:)

I'm sure when the advertisers saw how "well" their signups were doing in the past week or two they would not be too pleased and it would not surprise me to see more charge backs ( non payments by them ) in the near future.

When they see a large group of sign ups/deletions in a very short time I am sure it isnt going to sit too well....and then we will hear Cheri whine some more about her being ripped off...

She will certainly never admit that she tried to rip them off and they didnt go for it.

The odds of this happening are very good and IMO it will be the final nail...( who can she deduct that from)
Good luck everyone...

Have a good one

Belle

Josh

26th January 2006, 00:49

The site is back up, or at least I am able to access it. I'm not sure how it was earlier today.

Rob, perhaps we could include something in the boycott article about the forced sign ups in order to be paid previous earnings? Once again, she is defrauding both member and advertiser. This, in my opinion, was one of her most distasteful moves, and should certainly be mentioned.

Josh

26th January 2006, 00:56

Ryandylan, you do have a point, as many webmasters DO use out-of-pocket expenses to get started and it can reasonably be assumed that people don't "READ" the emails, but, just click and stare without giving support to the advertiser - as in purchasing or joining a program.

Yes - that is a good reason why such advertisements sent "out-of-pocket" should be considered as a business expense, not as something that will necessarily receive a return. A legitimate business could very easily do something like that - in fact, all real businesses have a high startup cost. The problem lies in not factoring that as a cost you must face, bear and accept.

Keep in mind, NOT ALL members are the "click and stare" type. There ARE those of us genuinely interested in offers, taking chances with signups for other ptr programs, whatever.

And that is the only time at which any advertisement will even have a chance of functioning. :)

Cherri expected 100% from her members. Even resorted to coaxing such with dishonesty -telling us to use "throw-away" email addresses;and to sign up for free trials we were not interested in by using the "bow-out out of before being charged for such" pursuasion. And, finally, adding "forced" signups in order to be paid. Don't you think the advertisers SAW that?

Yet, to her, that is okay. Take a teaspoon of incentivized sign ups, add a dash of fraud. Do you still end up with "just" incentivization?

It is by her own actions that caused her demise - not that of her members.

For shame. They didn't want to go with her every whim, and wouldn't even bail her out of one financial problem after another. Tsk tsk. :baaa:

Josh

26th January 2006, 02:08

I noticed this from the BeeHiveMail FAQ:

When am I paid?
When your account is in good-standing we will issue payment to you within 78 hours via Paypal, paid several times per week via masspay. egold and mb are masspaid weekly.
Official "TOS" is 30 days, but never been late, however wm lives in Florida so in event of hurricaines, accident or other problem, official tos is 30 days

Is she not now saying that hurricanes and "other problems" have caused her to be late on payments? According to this, she should be paying in 78 hours, but reserves the right, in the event that it is necessary, to wait until 30 days. Seems to me that once those problems are taking place, the 30-day limit enacted specifically for them is "void" as far as she is concerned.

bluedahlia

26th January 2006, 02:22

Interesting how things turned out. Sometimes its just a matter of how ideas are presented to members that make all the difference. That's when one can discern a great PO from a mediocre one. Unfortunately, the fine art of diplomacy is lacking in a lot of the attitudes displayed by many PO's and that is their ultimate downfall.

All of Cheri's problems could have been worked out, with a sprinkle of honey and humble pie. Too bad. Even though I'm not a Cheri fan, I am sorry things worked out this way for her program and her members. The blame rests at her doorstep though......no doubt about that.

Josh

26th January 2006, 02:45

Those are very good thoughts, as always. I believe many would have to agree with you, wholeheartedly. :)

Interesting how things turned out. Sometimes its just a matter of how ideas are presented to members that make all the difference. That's when one can discern a great PO from a mediocre one. Unfortunately, the fine art of diplomacy is lacking in a lot of the attitudes displayed by many PO's and that is their ultimate downfall.

All of Cheri's problems could have been worked out, with a sprinkle of honey and humble pie. Too bad. Even though I'm not a Cheri fan, I am sorry things worked out this way for her program and her members. The blame rests at her doorstep though......no doubt about that.

ryandylan

29th January 2006, 10:38

I am sure she has thousands of members clicking... So, in reality, we will never really know if it is her own funds shortage, or that no one is advertising and the site isn't profiting. Who knows. I know that when my ad for 700 clicks went out, I got the 700 clicks within 10 minutes and that was a redemption. I am shutting down my membership there because it just isn't worth my time anymore.

dcwike

29th January 2006, 19:52

Good advice in that point, ryandylan! Thank you.

I think I will, too, use my earnings to redeem for an ad, and then, close my account. May take awhile, though, as, I'm hearing she's a bit slow on the redemtions.

Ho hum, so sad that another one will bite the dust. Despite Cherri's attitude, I really DID like that program at one time.

cmartin67846

29th January 2006, 20:43

:\ I joined Signupbuzz a number of months ago and was promptly paid-the first time. But I had many problems after that. I had a number of trouble tickets that still haven't been answered, and signups that I wasn't credited for. I am now tired of the games. My thought is that you can't screw with your members like Cheri has. I just tried to use my $ at beehivemails to get a ptc banner-which is supposed to automaticly show up-but surpise suprise it didn't. though of corse, my $ did disappear! Here is a taste of the bull I've been dealing with:

Date/Time: 28/09/2005 - 12:06:37 am
Status: Open
Resolved: No
Category Buzz Bonus Signups Proof/Questions
Subject Degree signups not credited still
Client Information
Full Name: Candice ******
E-Mail Address: ************@yahoo.com
Sign-Up Date: 24/08/2005

Problem Description
Hello and thanks for this wonderful site! I just wanted to let you know that I have not received credit for the 2 $1 Degree signups that you had as email offers last week or so. Usually I am credited right after I signup, but not with these two. Just wanted to let you know! I keep getting emails from the schools now that I have signed up, so I know I signed up correct, but I am hoping that I pasted the right info to you. Please let me know and again thanks for this awesome site and beehive too!!

Sincerely,
Candice

Message Dialog
From: Admin
Date/Time: 28/09/2005 - 07:36:26 pm
Message: Hi Candace...thanks for your paitence..
usually the freebies ones are much quicker but these are not 'reporting" to me thru the sponsor..when i get the confirm from the sponsor I will credit them..

however..I do have some "extra' offers you can make $$ and help me ??

You can help me ..and I will pay you... by doing some "extra" freebies, trying these out for me..total of 5 freebies for total of $4.50

you can put the 'proofs" in thru the "support ticket" at signupbuzz.com
these are not "listed" yet..

I need to "test' them and you can help me and make some quick money this way thanks
and if you do not wish to do any or all of them, no problem, this is just extra plus lets me try some new ones out
$3 ....$1 each for these 3 if you have not done them before
DeVry University id=11
Westwood College &id=10
eCornell Online Learning id=9
Here are 2 for 75 cents each....
75 cents
Bosley ..Free Info Kit on Hair Loss As Seen on TV! id=17
75 cents
Medical Hair Restoration Get Your Free Hair Loss DVD id=15

Just signup and do the proofs in support tickets thru signupbuzz
thanks a bunch...cheri

Here I was wondering where my $ was from my other signups and she wanted me to signup for more crap. :baaa: I was one of Cheri's FOLLOWERS for a long time-but not anymore. It's bad enough that she changed the payout from $1 to $4 on beehivemail and added the paypal fees. These sites have become a joke. There are much better and more TRUSTWORTHY sites I've found. Heck I dont' even get emails from signupbuzz anymore-haven't in months! And yes I WAS a member at during this time. Delete this post is you want Cheri-it's still going to be posted on GPTB forum. I've come to know how you treat your members and I just don't want to be part of that-I'd rather stick with sites that care about their members. I'm no longer :stupid: -I've deleted my account with beehivemail and would at signupbuzz if I couldn't find the stupid delete button!

cmartin67846

dcwike

29th January 2006, 21:33

That looks to me like a fishing excursion with promises that are only kept if and when YOU catche the fish for her.

That's another issue, here. Trustworthiness.

I can remember when I first got involved with the signup thing with Cherri. Upon query of such, she explained that it could take up to two weeks for her to receive "reports" from those that she is affiliated with - and, that, she does not usually "pay" until SHE get's paid.

That sounded reasonable to me, so I did do a few signups, ok. Some I got immediate "pay" (because that's when the payout was $1), with an explantion that she KNEW the ones that paid and could pay in advance because of it.

The only thing I didn't like about the signups is that I was being bombarded with emails not only the specific things I signed up for (even after unsubscribing), but, from third parties - some of which contained "inappropriate" content.

So, I stopped signing up for things. Lucky for me, it was when she was "trustworthy?"

Has Cherri ever given the details of WHO filed the "first" chargeback with PayPal? Could it have been one of companies she "affiliated" with who may have "seen" the way she gets the signups - and decided to do the chargeback for "cheating" them?

Like I said, I have already been paid for the signups I did, and, it may have been for those she KNEW would pay her. And, maybe others are following suit?

If the above theory is correct, then , I see no way where she can ever pay us except out of her own pocket.

cmartin67846, I'm glad you posted. Looks to me she thought she could sweet talk you into being her guinea pig. Smart woman you are not to have fallen for that. :D

I think she's sinking and grasping at straws to keep her afloat.

Good luck to those of you who are still clicking. Just going to "redeem" and quit after I see my ad.

ryandylan

29th January 2006, 23:23

just to let you know, it was within 24 hours that my ad was sent out and i got 700 clicks.

trulyfair

30th January 2006, 17:21

This person wasn't as fortunate (maybe she looks after redemptions more quickly as they reduce the site debt). He paid for an ad in early November and, as of Jan 28, it hadn't been sent out nor had his money been refunded.

I purchased an search bulk ads (30 days, 450 Guaranteed Clicks, USA Only, $38.33) from BeeHiveMail on November 8th, 2005 and patiently waited to run them.

I emailed them twice and submitted a ticket.. no reply, no ads. It's almost been 3 months now.

I really do like BeeHiveMail as a outside advertiser (I'm not a member there) but they problems.

a3

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/beehivemailbye_bye_-t414565-s120.html

trulyfair

30th January 2006, 17:29

Has Cherri ever given the details of WHO filed the "first" chargeback with PayPal? Could it have been one of companies she "affiliated" with who may have "seen" the way she gets the signups - and decided to do the chargeback for "cheating" them?

Like I said, I have already been paid for the signups I did, and, it may have been for those she KNEW would pay her. And, maybe others are following suit?

If the above theory is correct, then , I see no way where she can ever pay us except out of her own pocket.
From what I recall, the "first" charge back in late July last year was an advertiser who paid using a hacked PayPal account.

ryandylan

30th January 2006, 18:21

I would love to take over beehive, and turn it around to be a completely honest program

pietro

30th January 2006, 21:31

I would love to take over beehive, and turn it around to be a completely honest program

Wouldn't that be another item on Cheri's long list of things she used to rag on other program owners for doing? Turning Beehive into a "hot potato", I believe was her term for this kind of thing, would be just the thing to prove it was "do as I say not as I do!"

She preached long and hard about letting the programs die rather than sell them but then of course she turned around and bought a couple of programs didn't she? So that kind of says it all to me.

dcwike

30th January 2006, 21:35

Thank you trulyfair. If that's the situation, then, sad it was, and sad it is to have come to this point. But, be it that it is, two wrongs do not make it right.

ryandylan? Could you really do that? Even with the debt that has accumulated? Would you pay off the debt out of your pocket? And, would the companies with which she is affiliated just transfer such to you without first approving you for such?

It would be really nice if you could do that. :D Heck, if you did, I'd give you my support, through and through - just like I did Cherri in the beginning. :D

bellestraker

31st January 2006, 01:54

I would love to take over beehive, and turn it around to be a completely honest program

No hidden meaning to my question as I really do not know but How is your own site doing??

I have been around to witness many sites taken over with the idea of "turning them into profit" but so far I havent seen it done.

I hope if you do decide to take it over that members will be given the opportunity to delete their personal info if they wish to...and that all back payments are made BEFORE the site reopens.

Belle

ryandylan

31st January 2006, 03:16

i would love to take over the site and the debt. Members as far as i'm concerned have the 100% rights to change their infor as much as they want. it's their account, not mine. that would be just like saying that when you move out of your residence where you live, that your employer would fire you becuase of it. that is bs as far as i'm concerned.
cheri is just proving that she doesn't give a rats *** about the site or it's members

trulyfair

31st January 2006, 04:52

From what I gathered reading the BH forum, Cheri has no intention of selling BeeHive although she has offered busybee.com, CC script and domain name, to anyone who wants to buy it.

BTW she is now insisting that she isn't paying anyone out of line. She has been paying members who did signups, even though they had less than the required amount for payout, yet others are above the pay out level and have been for some time. It does seem though, that she is paying members who have not done signups but paying them in order of highest amount earned.

One member in particular has now been waiting 45 days. Her reason for not paying him? She claims he reached $4 and then stopped clicking which he has disproven. Even if he had stopped clicking, does that give her the right to pay others in front of him, just because they had earned more?

I read the terms as being paid within 30 days, I don't see anything that says members are paid from highest to lowest earnings. :stupid:

bellestraker

31st January 2006, 05:15

ryandylan

31st January 2006, 05:35

she is full of it

trulyfair

31st January 2006, 07:14

One of her posts said the reason was because she had no way of knowing WHEN people reached payout..:)

The story seems to change daily..

Belle

Surely the script would have an option to print a list of those over pay out? If this was printed on a daily basis, then comparisons could be made. Seems to me that would be logical if a PO really wanted to keep paying members within terms.

There must be a way to make adjustments e.g. omit certain members, add others, as Cheri mentioned about making additions to the mass pay to save PayPal fees on Premier accounts.

Perhaps someone with knowledge of how the scripts work would be kind enough to enlighten us?

ryandylan

31st January 2006, 07:47

You can do all of it. I do it when needed.

trulyfair

31st January 2006, 08:49

Thanks for the information ryandylan, that certainly puts another twist on the BeeHive situation! ;)

It proves that Cheri either can't be bothered to do things properly or does not know how to do them. Amazing how someone can preach to others but when the time comes for them to show what they are made of, they fail miserably. :baaa:

It's still a mystery to me how many members remain with BeeHive. I wonder if they are all so guillible that they take Cheri's word as "gospel" or are they just plain apathetic as long as they (eventually) get paid.

Either way it's a pretty sad situation.

lil crusader

31st January 2006, 13:15

It's still a mystery to me how many members remain with BeeHive. I wonder if they are all so guillible that they take Cheri's word as "gospel" or are they just plain apathetic as long as they (eventually) get paid.

Either way it's a pretty sad situation.

I don't think you can blame anyone for staying with Beehive, or any other program for that matter, if they are waiting to be paid.

The mystery for me is how/why a couple of veteran members, along with a few "new" members who seem to have magically just shown up on the Beehive Forum can continue to pretend that everything is just rosey there, when it so obviously isn't.

Of course the fact that everyone trying to paint a pretty picture has been paid recently (sometimes multiple times by their own admission) is merely a coincidence I'm sure. :p

It's also a huge mystery how posts are being deleted when Cheri continues to post as a "guest" who obviously can't delete anything.

ryandylan

31st January 2006, 20:04

and you can't really call her a scam because she does send out the ads.

bellestraker

31st January 2006, 22:04

and you can't really call her a scam because she does send out the ads.

That reminds me of Cheris way of thinking...When she was still paying within tos..she thought she could do anything else because "she paid".

Now she can do anything and not be considered a scam because she "runs ads".

Yeah...OK.

btw..you forgot to answer how your site is doing.?

Have a good one

Belle

ETA
As Cheri now says she has no way of knowing when people reach payout I wonder how she was/is going to pay the 3% late fee to those waiting over 30 days...( groundwork for a new story..maybe?)

ryandylan

31st January 2006, 23:31

bellestraker

1st February 2006, 00:04

yeah, well, it's only the truth. It seems like that is the way it works concidering bank-mails does that, and they haven't been boycotted.
But, You asked about my site.. Well, it is ok.. I was supposed to close it down, but, at the last minute, after my host took the fees, I decided to keep it open.. The big issue that I have right now, is the fact that my frames are not aligning up for some reason

Not having any experience with the behind the scenes running of a site i dont know how bad non aligned frames are but hopefully it is a problem which can be solved.I'm also not sure whether last minute fee grabs from the hosting co. is a very good reason to keep a site open but..hey...What do I know.

Good luck with it.

Rod said there was only one other site with 10 complaints ( not bank-mails) so I guess they cannot add sites they have not recieved 10 complaints for.

That seems to be one of the main problems here..We all complain in the forums but dont get around to making a formal boycott complaint.Hopefully that will improve soon.

Belle

ryandylan

1st February 2006, 00:23

well, hosting fees do make a difference. Why would you want to have hosting fees taken out, then all of a sudden, close down the account. I am looking for a new host now because this host doesn't seem to want to return any messages anymore.
And I will be looking into those frames again today

trulyfair

1st February 2006, 08:26

I don't think you can blame anyone for staying with Beehive, or any other program for that matter, if they are waiting to be paid.

The mystery for me is how/why a couple of veteran members, along with a few "new" members who seem to have magically just shown up on the Beehive Forum can continue to pretend that everything is just rosey there, when it so obviously isn't.

Of course the fact that everyone trying to paint a pretty picture has been paid recently (sometimes multiple times by their own admission) is merely a coincidence I'm sure. :p

It's also a huge mystery how posts are being deleted when Cheri continues to post as a "guest" who obviously can't delete anything.
I don't think it's good for a member to leave a program without being paid what he is due. My surprise is that members seem to stick by the program in spite of Cheri's having already broken the TOS approximately 6 months ago. The membership count at that time did not noticeably decrease even though the pay out was $1 and payments were made several times a week.

The noticeable decrease seemed to be in December when one member pointed out in the forum that the membership had dropped by around 1,200. As Cheri was "absent" during that time, one has to wonder if these members were paid before they unsubscribed or if they just up and quit leaving their earnings. :\

Or another possibility, were these actually inactives and was someone doing "housekeeping" quietly behind the scenes?

Cheri may post as a guest but, on several occasions, I have noticed her name (freebeequeen) showing at the bottom of the forum as a registered user. ;)

exchange.

1st February 2006, 10:28

finaly i got an email from cheri.
she said that there is no way that she is every going to pay me!

i think this is why she banned me from the forum as she knew i would have told everyone there.

well the truth finaly came out.

dcwike

1st February 2006, 23:02

bellestraker

2nd February 2006, 03:33

I have heard from a few people that they think Cheri is doing these things because she has been boycotted.

Personally I do not see any difference betweeen her actions now ..or before the boycott.

Her reasons change almost daily and IMO her long disappearance before Christmas and her refusal to answer emails was just the start of what.....without the boycott... would likely have been a long slide down..

Hopefully the boycott will force her to either pull up..or out.

Belle

exchange.

2nd February 2006, 11:10

here is a link that you can file your claim
the site is american and as cheri is in america they will be able to charge her with fraud theft deception and whatever else she has done against the law

http://www.ic3.gov/

go ahead file your claim!

the more claims against her the faster she will be stopped!

The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C).

cmartin67846

2nd February 2006, 12:39

trulyfair

4th February 2006, 18:19

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, personal vendetta is just cause for not paying a member what is owed to them?

My post was deleted from her forum, too Don't know if I've been banned or not, but, makes me wonder, now.

Also makes me wonder if she will let me redeem my earnings for an ad, too.

Your post has not been deleted, it's still showing in the "Does this mean no payment unless we do signups???" thread.

That is unless you had made more than one post recently?

trulyfair

4th February 2006, 18:27

;) Go figure--my post on the beehive forum has been deleted! Heaven forbid any of her members-past or present, demeen her perfect little site! She can't allow her next potential victims, oh umm, I mean members, to see the fraud that she is--that is why she contiually deletes posts from dissatisfied members! Thats ok, those she's screwed over, now know better.

cmartin67846
As your deleted post was similar to one you made earlier in this thread, why not copy and paste it on to the BeeHive forum again? :laugh:

BTW it seems a few members are taking screenshots of the BeeHive forum for posterity. ;)

dcwike

4th February 2006, 18:29

Thank you trulyfair! No, I didn't post lately. In fact that was the only post I ever made - hahaha. But, last time I checked (which was before I posted in this forum) I couldn't find it, so I thought it was deleted along with some of the other posts.

I'm curious now, so I'm going back there to see. Thanks again, trulyfair. :)

trulyfair

4th February 2006, 18:37

You're welcome. :D

dcwike

4th February 2006, 19:59

Am I doing something wrong? (I'm truly a no geek, but, I still can't find my post :laugh: ) Why can't I find my post in Beehive?

Here's all I saw - and I DID open all those that pertained to the subject:

(NOTE: names of those who posted have been omitted)
(Also note that this came from the "New" forum - was there another one?)

General Questions
Got a question you need answered by the BeeHiveMail staff, post it here. 605 4478 Today 12:10:54

Suggestions
Your input and ideas are important! Please share them here! 38 295 Yesterday 20:43:07

SignupBuzz/ PTSUP's/Freebie signups
Any questions/problems/info on all 'signups" 33 105 2006-01-28 00:27:14

General Discussion

PTR News and Views
Talk about PTR, earning on line, in general..news,views, info 89 426 2006-02-02 15:56:30

Praises...Got Paids
Let us know of Good Programs, payments, NO ads please 344 957 Yesterday 17:33:16

Complaints ..Bewares
Problem programs?? Not paid?? Let us know here 69 562 2006-02-02 17:03:39

Tech Help....How to's
Share your info with other Bee's.. spyware removers, browsers, computer and techie info :) 24 108 2006-01-24 16:30:50

Bee's Helping Bee's
Ads Ads Ads
Post your ads, programs, referral urls here One post per day per member please 61 92 2006-01-26 16:53:39

Downline Builder..ONE Thread Per Person !!!!
Bee's Helping Bee's One thread per program, one program started per member, join under one another 54 99 2006-02-02 11:27:25

Click Exchange...List your PTP's
Bee's Helping Bee's ! Let's support our Fellow Bee's 24 54 2006-02-01 08:29:24

Chit Chat and Fun !
Buzz in and relax !! 40 241 Today 13:25:54

trulyfair

4th February 2006, 22:38

You're in the correct forum, you just need to click on "General Questions" then scroll down to the thread named "Does this mean no payment unless we do signups???". Your post is the 10th one on page 2. :p

BeeHiveMail Forum / General Questions / Does this mean no payment unless we do signups???

dcwike

4th February 2006, 22:57

awwwwwwwww ty, once again, truly fair!!!!!!!!! Duh me, heehee (blushing).

trulyfair

4th February 2006, 23:07

Again, you're welcome. Our brains all have hiccups once in a while. ;)

bellestraker

5th February 2006, 05:56

You are not alone dcwike....Two of us spent almost an hour searching for a specific post at beehive a couple days ago and it was NOT there.

Then it suddenly reappeared.

About an hour ago I was reading in this thread http://www.beehivemail.com/pages/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2025&p=2
and although it may be just me...the posts (some by brylyn1979 ) seem to be responding to a "missing" poster.

I have noticed that a lot in the past few weeks but have not compared them to screen shots as at first thought I had forgotten or??.

( I do have screenshots of almost every page at BHF if needed)

Belle

pietro

5th February 2006, 07:49

exchange.

5th February 2006, 09:15

i bet you any money that it is cheri that is deleting the posts.
any post that she does not like will be deleted and more members may be banned from the forum.
she is doing all that and more even though she claims that she cannot login but she has to login to be able to delete.
cheri is not that good a liar in hindsight, she did string us all along until some members stated putting a few things together.
and to members like me, she ban and refuses to pay i still have an email from her that states she will never pay me

bellestraker

5th February 2006, 09:27

It definitely appears whoever is editing the forums should be paying more attention, Belle. They should have deleted the responsive posts as well.

On a legal note, does Cheri have any kind of disclamer on her forum about not being responsible for the posts of the members? The indiscriminate deletion of posts on that or any forum would negate any such disclaimer leaving Cheri totally responsible for any and all posts made. She, and the members, would not be able to hide behind the right to freedom of speech because the editing has taken that right away.

I have not seen any disclaimer and do not know much about the legalities in the forum but deleting member posts is another issue which Cheri spoke against VERY loudly.

She really does seem hell bent on doing every single thing which she bashed other PO's for doing and for each one she has a "reason".( doesn't everyone?)

Well at least she is now boycotted and hopefully once a few more get on the list things may begin to move forward (slowly)

Belle

trulyfair

5th February 2006, 09:48

bellestraker

5th February 2006, 10:00

As I mentioned before, Cheri may post as a guest but I have seen her name (freebeequeen) showing at the bottom of the forum as a registered user. ;)

OMG..You mean Cheri lied?..;)

As far as I know there is no one else ( other than Cheri) still capable of removing any posts other than possibly snark and I honestly can not see her playing Cheri's game.

I dont understand what she (Cheri) hopes to gain with the continued attempts to hide what everyone has already witnessed but then ...it does seem that ads are still being purchased and some clicking is still being done.( although not sure how much)

A member posted that an ad to 450 still had clicks left after 24 hrs. so it seems the clicking is very slow.

Belle

trulyfair

5th February 2006, 17:38

I find it hard to believe that the owner of a program cannot delete posts on her own forum. :laugh:

A few months ago snark closed a couple of threads because they were getting out of hand but, if I recall correctly, she mentioned that it was up to Cheri to decide whether or not to delete them.

freecashspace

6th February 2006, 13:19

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, personal vendetta is just cause for not paying a member what is owed to them?

My post was deleted from her forum, too. Don't know if I've been banned or not, but, makes me wonder, now.

Also makes me wonder if she will let me redeem my earnings for an ad, too.
Some may call it a 'personal vendetta'. Others call it 'forum abuse.' Either way, it's just another way for a scumbag PO to get out of paying people what they earned. Cheri isn't the first PO to pull this kinda crap, and sadly she won't be the last. Why would POs stop doing it when there are always those True Believers who'll keep kissing PO butt and click, click, clicking as long as the program's site is up?

I'm glad BeeHiveMail was put on the boycott list, and I hope many others join it. I also hope people make it's inclusion on that list mean something by actually boycotting it and the other programs on the list. Encourage your favorite honest POs to refuse ads for programs on the list. Don't join the downlines of people who continue to support boycotted programs. Don't buy ads at boycotted programs. That's the only way to make the boycott real.

I also hope people will look back at some of the early complaints about BeeHive, and also take a good hard look at Cheri's responses. Spotting the problems early can save you a lot of trouble later on when your favorite program starts falling apart. Trust and loyalty are one thing -- but chances are you're being played for a sucker.

Cheers,

Wil

bluedahlia

6th February 2006, 20:05

Hey there Wil,

Nice to see you.......missed ya!

xvvixen

7th February 2006, 01:16

I'm not a member, so maybe someone can explain to me the reasoning behind Cheri's requiring members to do sign-ups in order to get paid right away...Does she get some sort of kickback from those sign-ups that she can then use to pay people?

Most people who offer sign-ups do get a kickback. For example, all those "surveys" that ask you to enter your email and vote who is better, Pepsi or Coke? Those usually pay the referring party (Like me, offering it to you.. I get to be the middleman :) ) $1.00 - $1.10. What do most people then reward to the members (aka YOU) ? .10 - .25. Most places end up making nearly a $1.00 profit on each of those!

I did my research on them, as I was thinking of starting my own PTR site with PTSU and PTP. I must say I was really shocked when I found out how much I would be getting paid per person, versus how much other sites pay thier members. Wow! Talk about the possibility of making bank!

Anyhow, as far as BeeHive goes, I really don't have an opinion, just thought I would share the info I got on PTSU.

P.S. If someone else already clarified that.. sorry! I really didn't have time to read the entire topic. I try to stay out of debates and stuff like this. :D

Josh

8th February 2006, 03:53

I didn't know people would be willing to do those for $0.10 - $0.25. If they are "completed" for that meager amount, then I'm sure the affiliate has a good profit margin. I've normally seen them for around $0.50, tack on 10-20% referral bonus (guess) and the taxes (15% of the total?) and the affiliate is left with $0.25 margin. Yes, the other way around could be very one-sided, though.

danana

17th February 2006, 05:42

trulyfair

17th February 2006, 06:57

I hardly think that members who were waiting over 30 days to be paid could be called "impatient".

Perhaps you were one of the few "lucky" ones who only reached payout recently after the payments started to flow again.

exchange.

18th February 2006, 09:30

I am a member of Beehive. I was disappointed when the fee of 10 cents was added & also when the payout was raised. But, I have always been one to stick with a program & see what happens. I have not done ANY signups. When I reached payout, I was paid.:) I can only surmise that those that have not been paid, may have been too impatient.

I'll stay until I stop getting paid!

so waiting for more than 52 days is being impatient when the terms state withing 72 hours?

you must be like 'rosegold' and will help a scammer take money from yourself and others as long as you get paid 10% of what you should realy be paid

well good luck next time she keeps your money

lil crusader

18th February 2006, 19:08

asutony

19th February 2006, 04:07

exchange.

19th February 2006, 08:19

I agree that waiting that long and not being happy about it doesn't equal being impatient.

But I just have to ask this exchange: Did you really pretend to be Cheri on her own forum and make the post that she says you have privately admitted making? If so, why?

i have not admited privately not publicly for any post claiming to be cheri and as i have been banned on the forum for some time i do not have knowledge to the post that she emailed me about
all i know from her email is that i have been posting lies by quoting posts she has previously posted and emailed to the member list

she claims that she cannot log in to the forum but has details that an admin can see. she has told me that my isp dns has been logged for that particular post (but my dns has been logged from my very first post) it is possible that to get rid of me for good is too get into the script and forge my dns (my dns is static [is always the same number]) she has emailed me numerous times that she will find a way to discredit me for quoteing the terms that she has broken and for nonpayment of members.
she also claims to have reported me to my internet provder and that my ip was going to stop my account. i have not recieved any email from my isp, besides the monthly newsletter they send, and as you can see i am still here.
any of the mods or admin can tell you that i am posting from the same place as all the other posts that i have made here.

well it looks like cheri has found a way of discrediting me while leaving me no way of defending myself, just the way she wanted it at the start, i just wonder why it took her this long to figure it out or was it this new programmer that she claims to have got that told her the way to do it.

i wonder if she or some other mod or script problem will unban me soon as happened a few times before so i can get back in.
many of you would have noticed that i was banned then a mod then banned agian a few times, i could not unban myself as she claimed in one of her emails.

i have just put this latest try of cheri down to some personal vendetta against me for asking for what is rightfully mine.

she also emailed me telling me that she was going to break her privacy rules by giving out all my personal information (home adress, phone number, etc) on a public forum if i ever post anything about her or beehivemail anywhere on the internet (wether the comments are good or bad) well that email went to ic3 straight away.

she has tryed not to pay me any way she can think of.

i am just waiting for her to do to someone else what she has done to me and that person report her.

theft, extorion, blackmail, fraud well in my country these are serious crimes i am sure they are serious crimes in usa but cheri has commited all of them and more to try to shut me up.

the more she tries to quiet me down the worse she makes it for herself!

Josh

19th February 2006, 08:55

When I was visiting once recently, I saw her logged in, so I know that she has (or recently had) the ability to do so.

I don't think she actually offered any proof that you had posted the message, she just copied your IP and ISP host. It's common knowledge that she has that, and she could have copied that of anyone and we wouldn't have known the difference. There is no screenshot of your IP attached to the post.

Honestly, I don't know who to believe. I don't know enough about you personally to have a feeling one way or the other about whether you'd do that. On the other hand, Cheri is known for blaming others for problems, but I don't think she usually makes something out of thin air to hang people with. Then again, she really, really doesn't seem to like you, and I believe the sentiment is shared.

Personally, I don't know enough to have much of an informed opinion. Then again, there are much more pressing matters at Beehive, all over the Internet and in life in general, so I won't be holding my breath waiting for the shoe to fall.

cajunlady

19th February 2006, 18:24

With Cheri's past, if I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt it won't be to her. I'm probably one of a handfull of people who ever received an apology from her when she bragged about all she had been doing for the hurricane victims and stated that I had done nothing. I confronted her publically on this forum with the fact that my own family members had tremendous losses and she had no way of knowing what I had done or not done to help and she did back down.

Nothing is ever her fault. When caught with outright lies, she just says everyone "misunderstood". I understand perfectly well and so do many, many others. She is in way over her head and all the nasty things she said about other PO's is now coming home to roost.

Enjoy the hotseat Cheri, you reap what you sow.

lil crusader

19th February 2006, 20:14

Thanks for answering the question exchange. There are definitely two very different stories being told since according to Cheri, it's been you who has emailed her, admitting that you'd made that post and threatening to do more. The strange thing is, although she said she was going to post your emails to show the rest of the forum how you'd been harrassing her, she never did it, which obviously leads to suspicions that she has no emails from you to post.

Like cajunlady said, if there's any benefit of the doubt to be given here, it definitely won't go to Cheri who's quick to call everyone else a liar, but never seems to grasp that the one doing the lying is her.

Thanks again for being willing to answer the q and give your side of the story.

asutony

20th February 2006, 01:08

exchange, thanks from me also. I actually assumed that to be the case but I'm glad to hear it. In addition to everyone else, if it comes down to past history I can't see anyone beleiving her.

pietro

20th February 2006, 04:05

I agree with those who posted before me Exchange. As one of the television judges says frequently, I wouldn't believe anything that came out of Cheri's mouth (or in this case from the ends of her fingers) if her tongue was notarized.

You have posted in anger here as you have a right to do but my own opinion is that you are not the type to cause that kind of trouble. Besides I still do not believe that anyone can prove anything by IP address alone. The information gathered by an IP search simply does not get specific enough to point to a single person unless you remain online all the time and never reboot your computer.

bluedahlia

20th February 2006, 04:19

Yep I concur with the sentiments of the majority here. If it is true that Cheri posted pretending to be exchange pretending to be her, then we must add "scheming" to the list, and that definitely is not a "misunderstanding".

exchange.

20th February 2006, 07:31

this was my answer to her saying that i posted a fake post and that she was going to report me in brackets are my additions for this forum

In a message dated 2/16/2006 2:51:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,

xxxxxx@optusnet.com.au writes:
thats ok (about her saying i am being reported not about the so-called post) as you have been reported to paypal about running a fraudulent site and you have been reported to ic3 as well as your webserver (this is about not being paid and an attched email from cheri saying that she would never pay me)

your web server is just waiting for a few more complaints

anyway you called me a liar when i was just telling the truth

seeya for now :)
(cheris reply)
You are ridiculous...lucidity hosts ays so I dont think I have a
problem...your nasty posts and your nasty letters, admitting your sabotage are being
turned over to paypal, to your isp also .....(i have heard noting)

Thanks so much.....Cheri
WM BeeHiveMail
http://www.beehivemail.com/

here was her next email, i did not send her an email since i the above email

Sent: Thu Feb 16 20:02:39 2006
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