EarnWithChris Major Scam?

[Poncer]

Okay, I saw this in several forums about the webmaster sending an e-mail about Paypal. Here is the exact post I discovered. I am not a member, so I don't know if it is true. Meybe some members might fill this in for me.

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hi there members i need some help i need 2 things to make our community better:

1. ebay account

2. paypal account



ebay account

i am willing to pay all fees and pay a monthly hiring fee of someones ebay account i am willing to pay a high fee aswell

please contact me at ebay@earnwithchris.com



paypal account

at the moment i am using a mates account but i cant pay to you via paypal so i will need a paypal account that i can have access to and be able to send a nd recieve cash i wouldnt take anything that wasnt mine

i am willing to pay very high fees for the lease of an account

please contact paypal@earnwithchris.com



the reason why i dont have these is because i dont agree with credit cards so i cant get get an account at either of these but this has caused several problems so i need urgent help thanx chris
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Now, does this sound like a scam or what? Who wants to give up their Paypal account for him to use?

[sore_fingers]

He doesn't believe in credit cards? Then how did he pay for hosting and domain registration? Did he get a sack of coins and send it by mule caravan? You don't actually need a card for paypal, you can just use a checking account. The Kanhai guy was asking about something like this, too. Sounds pretty odd that neither of them can go over to paypal and just make an account!

[shaykedelik]

how does he plan to pay members or even accept payments for ads in the first place!
lmao!

[pinky]

I had such a hassle over a paid email ad I tried to get ran by Read2BeRich, and it all had to do with the paypal account, I finally just asked for my money back ( which took over a week ) and then he tried to offer me a gold membership, I said NO THANKS.....
Now he's sending out emails saying his post to this site has to do with his change in his program?
I posted his Read2BeRich site after all the problems I was having with the paidemail ad and the paypal payment, on his advertising section it said to sent payment to chris____@____( I won't post his other email ad...sorry), then it said after doing so, come back and submitt ad to webmaster, I did that, then I get a respose telling me to send payment to a totally different email address, it just snowballed from there, and thats why I posted his site.

[Bobbie42]

I am one of the members who received the email about wanting to use either your ebay account or paypal account. You stated it pretty true. That is what I remember about it too. Thought it was very strange...strange indeed..!

[earners]

C'mon give the guy a break. He doesn't have credit cards so he is asking for someone to help so he can pay his members!!

I believe he has been helped now and guess what - he'll now be able to pay his members!

Marc

[Poncer]

If this is correct that he is the same owner as Read2BeRich? Then this program should be boycotted as well since people think Chris of Read2BeRich cheated the members there. How do we know this is not a scam by him as well? I would not give a complete stranger anything like this, because it is likely a scam to steall people's money.

[sore_fingers]

Hmmm, wouldn't that make sense of why Read2beRipped got rid of all its members? Maybe because he never had the ability to use paypal to pay them anyway, and starting over was a nice little way to cover it all up.

[aquinn21]

Has anyone else's account gone missing the last day or two?

- Alex

[Bobbie42]

Mine is gone too...aquinn 21..

[moxymom]

My account is gone too....I tried the password lookup and got the message that my email didn't exist in there thing....pretty amazing since I remember getting the paypal email. Wonder where the accounts went??

[Jaikula]

Originally posted by sore_fingers
He doesn't believe in credit cards? Then how did he pay for hosting and domain registration? Did he get a sack of coins and send it by mule caravan? You don't actually need a card for paypal, you can just use a checking account. The Kanhai guy was asking about something like this, too. Sounds pretty odd that neither of them can go over to paypal and just make an account!

Okay, now I know I'm almost a month in replying to this thread here, but that reason is because I just found out about GPTBoycott.com just today.

Now, I'm going to defend this guy that runs earnwithchris.com. I think you should check to see where the guy actually lives before you slam him for not using paypal, or not having a credit card. Paypal REQUIRE that everyone verifies their account, now, if you LIVE outside of the US/CA, you have to do that via a credit card. I live in Australia so that is how I know this. So therefore no credit card, no paypal account. Yes, you can open one, but you are limited to about $10 per month of transfers, if that at all.

Now, I used to have a paypal account, but it was never verified or even used, and according to Paypal, there was activity back in July 2002 that was suspicious. Paypal in itself is suspiscious, they ask for your drivers license details, bank account that is attached to your paypal account, and for a copy of your last utility bill. Take note there, that alone can be used fraudulently.

But, back to earnswithchris.com If you check where he is, he is in the UK. This information was gained through the websites registry details. As to how he pays for his hosting, you dont need a credit card to pay for that, you can pay it through your own ISP.

[chris34]

Ok I am NOT a scam i restarted because i didnt pay any members at the $20 payout NO ONE Now I have paid loads of members on all my sites now. I am trying my hardest to make all my programs a success i know its going to take some time to redeem myself but i am trying my hardest i want to PAY you guys. Please give me a chance i now have a paypal and ebay account I am trying my hardest give me a chance please
thanx
ChrisCool

[Bobbie42]

Its ok Chris. I know I commented up above but I will give you that chance, and besides I like your programs. They are easy and fun. I apologize if I offended you in any way. I hope things go easier for you now..

Bobbie42

[hamlet]

"i restarted because i didnt pay any members at the $20 payout NO ONE"

I have one question WHY ???!!! did you not pay anyone????

[Poncer]

Chris34 is actually Chriscool. He owns 12 maybe more GPT programs. EarnWithChris and Read2BeRich is only two of his programs. FreeAdds4U, GPSPaidMail, and BePaidForEmail are also his as well. I am gathering more info on all what he owns to let you all know. Alot of complaints are now coming forward on most of his programs including the exact same thing what he did with his Read2BeRich members.

[earners]

Chris has just recently sold GPSpaidmail.
He did not pay anyone.
The new owner did not pay anyone - in fact the new owner deleted all members and earnings within a couple of days of buying the site.

In effect Chris sold all members details which shouldn't happen.

What should have been sold was the program and before this sale was completed Chris should have settled all outstanding debts and then wiped the database.

From the privacy policy:

""We do not distribute to third parties any personally identifiable information.""

So who has breached the privacy policy by selling our personally identifiable information??

[Poncer]

Another thing as well. Did he reall sold the site? What if it was a smoke screen to throw people off his tracks? I saw a post in the Disgussion of Boycott section that Chris owns 12 sites. The question is why he owns 12 sites and sent an e-mail stating he wanted to combine all 12 into one. If you combined all the debt of all 12 sites, you will have a hugh debt. What is the best way to do that? Delete all the members in some of the programs to reduce the debt. I smell a major dishonest deeds here.

[chris34]

Ok ChrisCool here i am not happy with you calling me a scam i am trying my hardest everyone sells member databases. Golden-tools did and many more.............
Also the reason why everyone has been deleted is because thenew owner was fiddling arou8nd and deleted everyone :(
I own
read2berich (paid out: $15.73 so far and have got all of this weeks redemptions to do LOADS!!! :) )
earnwithchris (paid out: $4.23)
superpaidemails (brand new)
searchcash.co.uk (paid out: $143.56)
megapaidmail (paid out: $45.66)
freeads4ever (paid out: $3 + loads of free advertisement)

My aim in the paid to read world is to be able to pay you guys not just people who have loads of referrals. Thats why i restarted read2berich as people who didnt have any referrals were never going to reach payout. But now people who have loads of referrals can request payout at any time $0.75+ or $20+ or even $100+ they may request at any time and so can any members but 75 cents just meens i can pay everyone :)
I am NOT a scam i am trying my hardest so please give me any ideas so i can try and get back on the right track
Thanx ChrisCool

[chris34]

Hi again I definetily sold gpspaidmail and bepaidforemail which both had subdomains super..............com i managed to sell gpspaidmail on ebay to a new owner but i was unable to sell bepaidforemail so if any one is interrested please contact me but there is a contract this time :) :
You must keep all members and referrals and earnings intact
You must not delete any inactive members until 30 days of change of ownership.
You must not forward any personal details of members to anyone else.
If you do not abide by this legal action will be taken.

I am selling the sites for $100 + $15 domain transfer fee
That includes:
super.bepaidforemail.com
and bepaidforemail.com

the only running cost is paying members of course and $13 a month for web hosting.

Anyone interested please contact me and i dont know where you heard that rumor but i am not in debt i paid my last debt of yesterday actually if you really wanted to know i have quite a lot of cash to pay members and i will NEVER combine my sites together as they all different setups

Thanx ChrisCool B)

[Poncer]

You did not answer the questions that laid out to you on Get Paid Forum. Deleting members from any programs is wrong, and dishonest. You were dishonest, and so is that new owner. You owe all those members of those two programs money who got deleted. It is the responsability of new owners to take on the debt. If they can't, then don't buy the program.

[chris34]

Well you just said your answer it is the responsibility of the new owner to take on the debt. You said it.
Thanx ChrisCool B)

[Poncer]

It is also your responsability as well to make sure that they do get their money, and the membership base would not be deleted.

[chris34]

Yes i realise this but i cant help it if he didnt make a backup before he went fiddling with stuff he has now lost everything :(
Thanx ChrisCool

[earners]

Let's look at the situation

You sold 2 sites recently because you said you couldn't manage so many - your own words in an email to members.
The next day you launched a new site!!!

""Golden-tools did and many more............."" - the difference is that the old owner of Golden Tools paid his members before releasing the site - even I got paid 16c!!!

""You must not forward any personal details of members to anyone else. If you do not abide by this legal action will be taken."" - exactly my point - you sold our details!!!

"""Well you just said your answer it is the responsibility of the new owner to take on the debt.""" - It's the responsibility of both parties when agreeing a sale who should be responsible for paying members. This obviously wasn't done!

Until you have proved yourself, which I think will never happen, then your credibility with myself and many others will be non existant.

I'm glad you listed the rest of your sites as I'd missed deleteing my accounts with a couple. Just on my way to do that now.

[Kyu]

Personally, if I were to sell a program I was running, one of the first things I would do is to go through and pay everyone, regardless if they had $0.01 or $100.00. After making sure those users did get their payments through whatever transfer system was available, then inform them of the selling of the site, letting them know in sufficient time between payment and sale, that any members who were still part of the program at the time of the sale would have their account information passed over to the new owner.

This should give them the choice of staying with the program, or deciding to leave at the chance the new owner might not be what they were looking for in a GPT site admin. Those two steps, for the most part should help to eliminate a couple of the big programs I have been reading about here.

There are other steps I would most likely take as well, though I am not completely sure they would pertain to the arguments placed by the readers of this site. Basically, I am just trying to offer constructive commects to allow Chris to be able to find means to better himself.

I was always told not to go to someone with a problem unless you had a couple of viable solutions to offer that might remedy that problem.

= Kyu =

[hamlet]

well he still did not answer the question why he deleted everyone so that he could make changes. Cant changes be made with out taking everyones money and referals and dumping them. How is anyone to trust someone when they do that. Did he make a back up before he deleted everyone if so can he go back and find out who they are and pay them. And what did the money go for that these people earned for you. sure did not go to them.

[Poncer]

Domain name: Earnwithchris.COMName servers: ns1.powerhost4u.com ns2.powerhost4u.comCreation date: Mon Oct 07 2002 00:00:00Expiration date: Tue Oct 07 2003 00:00:00Registrant Contact: earnwithchris Chris Shelley (shelleysoftware@aol.com) 000000 FAX: none 10 Tennyson Way ThetFord, IP24 1LD GB




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EMAILSFORCASH.COM WHOIS Results


Registrant: emailsforcash 10 Tennyson Way ThetFord, ThetFord IP24 1LD UK Domain Name: EMAILSFORCASH.COM Administrative Contact: Shelley, Chris webmaster@emailsforcash.com 10 Tennyson Way ThetFord, ThetFord IP24 1LD UK




He also owns Read 4 Cash. Wow, why did he not mentioned these programs as well that he owns them?

[kiwinz]

FOr <censored> sake why do you keep posting this <censored>?


Originally posted by Poncer
Domain name: Earnwithchris.COMName servers: ns1.powerhost4u.com ns2.powerhost4u.comCreation date: Mon Oct 07 2002 00:00:00Expiration date: Tue Oct 07 2003 00:00:00Registrant Contact: earnwithchris Chris Shelley (shelleysoftware@aol.com) 000000 FAX: none 10 Tennyson Way ThetFord, IP24 1LD GB




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EMAILSFORCASH.COM WHOIS Results


Registrant: emailsforcash 10 Tennyson Way ThetFord, ThetFord IP24 1LD UK Domain Name: EMAILSFORCASH.COM Administrative Contact: Shelley, Chris webmaster@emailsforcash.com 10 Tennyson Way ThetFord, ThetFord IP24 1LD UK




He also owns Read 4 Cash. Wow, why did he not mentioned these programs as well that he owns them?

[chris34]

I do not own emailsforcash or read4cash or reading4cash they are owned by chriskeeer my host who purchased the domains for me as i dont have a credit card and he does ok thats all that is nothing to worry about
Thanx ChrisCool

[earners]

If Chris Keer owns them then why are they in your name?

I don't understand your posting - Chris Keer bought the domains for you????

But you say you don't own them!

[Poncer]

What about the e-mail hacker software tools as well that is found to be in Chris Cool's name?

[chris34]

LOOK i do not have anything to do with read4cash or emailsforcash or reading4cash they are chriskeers most fo my domains are in his name as he is a good friend and is my host but i have nothing to do with his sites

[chris34]

Where is this hacking software i have never been involved in such a thing it is absolutely disgusting please give me a link i need to look into this my self it is nothing to do wih me i hate cheaters hackers and all people like that they are true scum please pass a link onto me
Send it to webmaster@read2berich.com thanx

[Poncer]

I don't have it, but Fred Srock listed you as being banned with your real name besides the hacking software. It was posted on the Get Paid Forum.

[KensLuv22]

A letter from Fred:

Taken from GP forum:

ClickityCash Newsletters
Subject: ClickityCash - INTRUDER ALERT!!!
Date: 03/17/2002 12:39:41
Folks, we have an intruder.



Christopher Shelley has *somehow* overtaken two accounts of ClickMasters in the past two days, changed their names and contact info, passwords and started to use their accounts.



In addition, he has hacked into other accounts and attempted to transfer RealCash to other accounts he has set up - I`ve deleted 4 of them so far.



I continue to work to figure out how he is getting into the accounts - but no luck so far - I can`t even hack my own system!!



The ###### is so bold, that after transferring $24.95 to one of his accounts, he complained because I wouldn`t upgrade him - AND - after taking over account **edited for privacy**`s account) and complained that he had surfed 245 sites without earning RealCash!



So here`s what I`d like you all to do:



Send Christopher an email - he has used two email addresses consistently in his foraging:



shelleysoftware@aol.com

chrisshelley456@hotmail.com



Let him know just what we think of him.





Here are the websites he`s tried to promote:



http://www.linktothenet.bravepages.com

http://geocities.com/emailbucksmillenium

http://geocities.com/websites4bucks

http://www.CashRead.com/cgi-bin/page.cgi?r...oftware@aol.com



Perhaps several thousand emails to the webmasters of these pages would prove effective in making his life miserable as well.



If any of you have information on this person, I`d appreciate hearing from you.





Fred Srock

Founder, ClickityCash.Com

[Jaikula]

Unfortuantly such a post as that is hearsay. I say this because unless it comes directly and I mean DIRECTLY, from the authorities, then it cant be proof. All that guy, Fred, has done there is point a finger at someone that complained. Where's hte IP log proof, where is anything else. There is nothing there about software being used to hack with at all.

Without FIRM proof that is all that is, hearsay. Hell, it could have been someone else trying to impliment him. It doesnt take much to get people's addresses and such off the internet, specially if they own an account. Hell, I can get someone's home address details from just an ATT email address. ATT have on their website how with someone's email address you can get their real name and town, state. doesnt take much then to use whitepages.com and such places to get the information on their address and phonenumber.

[serenemom]

I have already posted a link here under the read2berich section which points out alot of facts that are proven step by step not by alot of conjecture. If anyone is interested please read it here http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=917. It proves step by step which sites chris shelley does in fact own and also gives details as to how I came to these conclusions so that you may see the proof from their sources for yourself. If chris keer truly is the owner of those sites then I apologize for the inferences made in my remarks but logic indicates to me that these atatements are true. I have pointed out in more than one instance where chris shelley has avoided the whole truth and given proof of this, so please do read it and judge for yourself.
Thank you.

[emailsforcash]

Chris Shelley has nothing to do with any of my sites emailsforcash,read4cash and reading4cash. Why do you think he owns all my sites ??????

[chris34]

Ok fred at clicktycash wont listen to me but all my accounts were hacked someone nicked my clickityxcash and aol and hotmail account they then went round hacking toher peoples accounts i contact aol and they were unable to track this guy and unfortunatley i have been unable to find this piece of scum he lost me a lot of cash. I was on holiday at the time this happened so i couldnt stop it or let fred know. :(
ChrisCool