Members drop below 2k

[asutony]

With the latest purges, membership is now down to almost 1900.

[investkid]

Incredible!

I checked like 2-3 days ago and it was more than 2,500. What on earth happened to have like 600 members deleted in a few day period?

[moniopt]

The Sharonator was holding off implementing the inactive hit list until today. It would have gone below 2000 already if she implemented the inactive deletions within the intervals she had been implementing them. She seemed to wait on this implementation longer then usual.

[Reallybarb]

Thanks for reminding me, I needed to go click my 1 PTC to stay active this week.

[investkid]

Thanks for reminding me, I needed to go click my 1 PTC to stay active this week.
Your one PTC clicking a week or so won't cut it if and when your time for payout comes. Sharon goes to the history of members and put those with activity history she doesn't approve of at the bottom of the month AYS is paying (no pun intended).

Thanks moniopt for the heads up about inactive lists. Yep, looks like it wasn't done in a month or so. We can probably add to that those who redeemed for ads or banners and unsub.

Total Members: 1,929

[Reallybarb]

For me it's a personal thing I refuse to let them off the hook. They owe me.

[investkid]

They owe a lot of people.

Good luck.

[moniopt]

You know, AYS has this elite Member of the month thing that awards prizes to the member that wins. The prize went unclaimed so they awarded the $5 to a MOD.

What is wrong with this picture. Wouldn’t they be better off using it to help pay of their huge debt as small as the $5 is to that debt.

Selecting a member would seem more appropriate considering the looong wait of getting paid if anybody is getting paid these days. Better yet, just add the $5 to the account of the member, he/she must be active to win.

Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised and/or maybe it's just me.

[asutony]

When was the last time they actually paid someone?

[Monipot]

You know, AYS has this elite Member of the month thing that awards prizes to the member that wins. The prize went unclaimed so they awarded the $5 to a MOD.

What is wrong with this picture. Wouldn’t they be better off using it to help pay of their huge debt as small as the $5 is to that debt.

Selecting a member would seem more appropriate considering the looong wait of getting paid if anybody is getting paid these days. Better yet, just add the $5 to the account of the member, he/she must be active to win.

Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised and/or maybe it's just me.

Dear Moniopt, please do not be surprised, I am a mod for a Spa and Pet Care forum where Mods are not different than forum or program members. I think that would be the case in AYS too.
This Mod must also be clicking Ads, Supporting their program and awaiting payout. so your comments of "payout to member" and "reducing site debt" it seems is taken care of to an extent.

stay well
monipot


Mod Note: Account banned as it is a duplicate membership. Also, it was obviously created for a cheap shot.

[moniopt]

So 99 percent or so of the members are excluded from the random drawing for the unclaimed prize. NICE!


You're right, I am not surprised.

BTW , I consider your version of my handle as an obvious personal attack. However, I am not surprised on that (personal attack) either...

[moniopt]

Mod Note: Account banned as it is a duplicate membership. Also, it was obviously created for a cheap shot.

Ahhh, so it was a duplicate membership. I thought it might be.

Thanks Josh

[Josh]

Ahhh, so it was a duplicate membership. I thought it might be.

Thanks Josh

Seemed a little odd to be coming out of the blue, so I checked it out.

Thanks for your appreciation, although I'm just enforcing the forum rules. :)

[Jeanene]

Well thank you moniopt for showing me how undeserving I am and that I'm not worthy of this. Yes I'm a mod but I am also a member and have been for a very long time.

I have to wait for payment too no special treatment because I am a mod and I consider that a low blow

Thank you again for reminding me what your about

[mlev]

Well thank you moniopt for showing me how undeserving I am and that I'm not worthy of this. Yes I'm a mod but I am also a member and have been for a very long time.

I have to wait for payment too no special treatment because I am a mod and I consider that a low blow

Thank you again for reminding me what your about
I personaly have nothing against the fact that you would be the one getting it as any other members.

But 2 questions:
1- Since not claimed, any of the other ± 2000 members had a chance, or just mods
2- Is this prize cashable immediately, or just added in the members earnings ?

[moniopt]

Well thank you moniopt for showing me how undeserving I am and that I'm not worthy of this. Yes I'm a mod but I am also a member and have been for a very long time.

I have to wait for payment too no special treatment because I am a mod and I consider that a low blow

Thank you again for reminding me what your about


I don't even know who you are, or if you are deserving of it or not. Wasn't my point and I think it was pretty clear. I thought it was anyway.


This is the exact quote by the AYSAdministrator, before she congratulated you.

"Prizes Unclaimed. An AYS Mod was randomly selected to receive the $5 Random Payout."

So I guess 99% or so of the membership was “undeserving”, if I go by what you said.

I’m not surprised though.

[Jeanene]

I don't even know who you are, or if you are deserving of it or not. Wasn't my point and I think it was pretty clear. I thought it was anyway.


This is the exact quote by the AYSAdministrator, before she congratulated you.



So I guess 99% or so of the membership was “undeserving”, if I go by what you said.

I’m not surprised though.

We mods are not eligable for the Elite draw our names are not in there at all

This was a suprise to me I came in and read that I had won what they did was the member had not claimed the prize so they gave each mod a number and gave us a chance to win like the rest that was all.

These prizes have only been given to the non mod members before this point and I was fine with that

[moniopt]

I believe you when you suggest you knew nothing about it.

This is a joke because of them not paying people in a timely manner to put it mildly. What are they still on Dec 2003 payouts??

If they just put it into your account, then it just adds to the debt. It means nothing to them from what I see. If it is paid out right away, then to me it would make more sense to add unclaimed cash prizes to someone they owed for a loooong time now (next person in line). That is many members deleted or not, although deleted members who made the money honestly, can kiss all their work goodbye!

[moniopt]

Total Members 1,830 now

Seems like each time they implement an inactive hit list, they reach a new low.

[asutony]

So the deleted about 400 more members last night?

[moniopt]

After copying the names of those deleted from the Sharonator’s post, and then pasting them into excel, there were a total of 474 columns. Not sure if they lined up exactly right all the way down, but that is close enough.

This time they waited 20 days before the last inactive deletion. Last time it was a full month, so they are dropping like flies.

I‘m kind of surprised, I figured with all the new people joining and with all those that already have been deleted, it would have stablized out by now. Seems like new members are leaving as quick as they join from what I can tell from the numbers.

Only a matter of time….

[investkid]

What might happen is that new members get in AYS thinking they're going to make payout quickly and getting paid in a reasonable time.

We know it's not so. There are very few cash ads to read, most of the ads are for points which are not redeemable for money. It is very difficult to reach payout ($50) in a reasonable time without a big downline. So, new members get in, try it, see it for what it is and quit.

My own opinion naturally.

[freecashspace]

Not surprising that new members are joining up and then finding out the awful truth about the payout situation. Apparently there are still people promoting AYS and telling flat-out lies about how great it is.

Cheers,

Wil

[BaroqueXena]

Just a quick question, is this the same Jeanene who is a mod at Rhonda's forum?

[surfjunky]

Not surprising that new members are joining up and then finding out the awful truth about the payout situation. Apparently there are still people promoting AYS and telling flat-out lies about how great it is.

Cheers,

Wil

Would that perhaps be those that have been paid out over $600 ???

I'm sure I've seen someone somewhere claim thwey received that much previously ;)


SJ

[freecashspace]

That wasn't who I had in mind, but if they were making that much money out of AYS, then I guess it's not too hard to see why there were singing it's praises. Too bad most of the people who joined their downlines so they could earn that kind of money were never going to be paid. :(

Ain't it funny how some people can promote programs where most of the downline will never get paid, yet people just keep on signing up under them?

Cheers,

Wil

[asutony]

Still dropping, down to 1725.

[moniopt]

Yeah, it's down to 1,693 now.

They should just shut this joke of a program down.

[investkid]

Total Members: 1,667

Still dropping and I, for one, I'm pleased that not too many new members are subbing to this program. No payouts since October 2005, and not many before that, and they're still paying (or supposedly paying) December 2003.

This program should be now known as a point program. Points being good only for advertizing or getting a rebate on their affiliated online store. Nothing else.

[earners]

Dear me, first time on this site for over a year and still seeing stuff about this scam site - All You Submitters.
Why oh why do people still bother with this program let alone this industry!

[asutony]

Down to 1578

[BobbiePolk]

Up 1698 :hehe:

[asutony]

Still not paying anyone though are they?

[labyrinth]

well..i just join in...

[moniopt]

Up 1698 :hehe:


A steady and fast decline. From Total Members
27,077 on Jun 10 2004 to Total Members
1,713 TODAY Jan 14 2006

The next hit by the Sharonator will probably result in a new low if the pattern continues.

Jun 10, 2004 (http://web.archive.org/web/20040610044821/allyousubmitters.com/pages/index.php)

TODAY (http://www.allyousubmitters.com/pages/index.php)

[moniopt]

Up 1698 :hehe:
Total Members
1,546

Just as I said, the next hit would produce a new low.:hehe:

[BobbiePolk]

Just shows that the data base is being kept clean. :D

[asutony]

Just shows that the data base is being kept clean. :D

Might as well spend their time cleaning the database, they aren't using to pay members.

[cybertongue]

Up 1698 :hehe:

Is that something to be proud of, or... ? :stupid:

[cybertongue]

Just shows that the data base is being kept clean. :D

No, it just shows how many members they've ripped off. ;)

[Mallerie]

No, it just shows how many members they've ripped off. ;)

to be honest it realy lacks any class when one po who failed and closed is beating down another po thats not doing so good.

were every single one of your members paid off cyber? there was a post at gpf at one point saying you were starting back up in october, then nada. all gone.

i guess its a moot question you could say whatever you wanted, no one would realy know for certain, huh?

one reason why i dont mind linder so much. hes not on these forums making sure all your mistakes stay all up and up in everyones mind. cheri was doing the same thing for ages rantin and ravin. point out so very hard all the mistakes and failurs others make that way yours dont seem so brilliant. good way (not) to make people forget point fingers at others. :baaa:

[asutony]

one reason why i dont mind linder so much. hes not on these forums making sure all your mistakes stay all up and up in everyones mind. cheri was doing the same thing for ages rantin and ravin. point out so very hard all the mistakes and failurs others make that way yours dont seem so brilliant. good way (not) to make people forget point fingers at others. :baaa:


No he's busy counting all the money he has [edited] and thinking up new ways [edited] off.

[cybertongue]

to be honest it realy lacks any class when one po who failed and closed is beating down another po thats not doing so good.

were every single one of your members paid off cyber? there was a post at gpf at one point saying you were starting back up in october, then nada. all gone.

i guess its a moot question you could say whatever you wanted, no one would realy know for certain, huh?

one reason why i dont mind linder so much. hes not on these forums making sure all your mistakes stay all up and up in everyones mind. cheri was doing the same thing for ages rantin and ravin. point out so very hard all the mistakes and failurs others make that way yours dont seem so brilliant. good way (not) to make people forget point fingers at others. :baaa:

Then I guess it's a good thing that I'm not here to win friends and influence enemies, huh?

But as to your irrelevent question, yes, the members who were above the cashout level were paid. In addition, many of those who weren't at the cashout level yet have also been paid, and I am continuing to pay people even now. And yes, I did say that I was going to bring the sites back up in the fall. I changed my mind because I have no desire to be a part of this industry in the capacity that I have been in the past. Should I have paid for a month of hosting just to send out an email to my members? My members all knew exactly how to get ahold of me, and I've yet to receive any correspondence regarding either program since the "deadline" came and went, so if it was an issue to them, I'm not aware of it. They knew what my plans were for during the downtime, and just because I decided to let the sites stay down doesn't mean that I'm not making good on the plans I made.

What's funny is this... If Linder and AYS was just "not doing so good", as you say, that would be one thing. But no, that's not the case, is it? Linder lacks the ability to say enough is enough and close the program and try to do right by his members by paying them out, even if it's over time. The program is still there after having deleted how many tens of thousands of members... Most folks have the good sense to not promote the program and not make enabling comments like the ones you're making, even if they're still in the program waiting to maybe be paid someday.

When I speak out about AYS (or any other scam program), it honestly has nothing to do with taking the focus off of myself. I've invited people many times to start a new thread about me and my programs if they want to discuss it badly enough to derail a topic over it, but not once has anyone done so. No, they'd rather try to discredit what I'm saying by bringing up irrelevent non-information. Which is fine, I guess, considering that I'm not saying anything about AYS that any member couldn't go elsewhere to find on their own.

[Reallybarb]

I'm still a member at AYS or at least I am as far as I know, I click a link every 10 days. I would love if Linder could spare a minute to update those of us who have been waiting to be paid for 2 years what is going on. Is someone ( Sharonator) still be paid to "work" there has he added staff ? Does he have any plans to go ad only since that is pretty much what it is now ? I don't understand why the site is still open unless someone is profitting from it because the members sure aren't.

[plakat]

I don't understand why the site is still open unless someone is profitting from it because the members sure aren't.

You answered yourself. Btw, I think this must be in "death programs" thread.

[asutony]

Someone is still working the site because they just deleted over 500 members.

[moniopt]

What, Sharon isn’t there any more?

AYS is as good as dead, for members anyway. Linder must have some mailing list though.

[teedy]

Wow that site has been around for a while. I got deleted for being inactive a year or more ago (my own fault) so really don't have a clue what the go is there.

[BobbiePolk]

What, Sharon isn’t there any more?

AYS is as good as dead, for members anyway. Linder must have some mailing list though.


I just love how things get started from pure imagination.

[freecashspace]

Oh come on, Bobbie. The member numbers are down to under 1400. How many thousands of members quit or got deleted without getting paid the money Linder owed them? How many members have been waiting for the money Linder promised them for over 2 years now?

I know you and a few others will continue to defend and support Linder and AYS no matter what, but surely you can see why most people gave up a loooooooong time ago.

Cheers,

Wil

[investkid]

Wil,

I think Bobbie was refering to Sharon not being at AYS anymore. She's still there unfortunately.

For all instances and purposes AYS is a dead program. In the last 6 months, AYS paid 2 members from the December 2003 list and it seems it was because a member spent a lot of money in ads over at AYS. All ads are redemption and for points, except for the occasional 2 cent ad or the non-redemption ad. Very few, far and between, let me tell you. Points are not redeemable for money and may be used only for ads or for discount at the AYS affiliate store.

In addition, nothing is happening at the forum. It's nearly dead too.

Members to date: 1,388

[BobbiePolk]

Yes, Sharon is still there and I wasn't referring to the membership.
AYS is not doing great, everyone knows that and I won't deny it.
It is still hanging in there and so am I. :)
I am happy there for my own reasons.


Wil,

I think Bobbie was refering to Sharon not being at AYS anymore. She's still there unfortunately.

For all instances and purposes AYS is a dead program. In the last 6 months, AYS paid 2 members from the December 2003 list and it seems it was because a member spent a lot of money in ads over at AYS. All ads are redemption and for points, except for the occasional 2 cent ad or the non-redemption ad. Very few, far and between, let me tell you. Points are not redeemable for money and may be used only for ads or for discount at the AYS affiliate store.

In addition, nothing is happening at the forum. It's nearly dead too.

Members to date: 1,388

[moniopt]

I just love how things get started from pure imagination.

I’m a realist and don’t base assumptions/educated conclusions on “pure imagination”. If anything it’s your “pure imagination” to come to that conclusion considering AYS’s history which Wil spelt out to you based on facts. The same facts of many I base my conclusion on.

My guess is that your mild attack on me was your way of creating spin. Enough time on you though, as I see your comments on AYS as being typically ingenuous anyhow.

{snip} Points are not redeemable for money and may be used only for ads or for discount at the AYS affiliate store.{snip}

Really, AYS affiliate store? Is this store public or just for members of AYS.


LOL can you say snake. Ain't no dumb snake though.

[investkid]

To my knowledge, it's public.

AYS is an affiliate of the online store and got a discount (5% or 10% discount) for AYS members which members can redeem for (the discount) with points or money naturally.

Don't know if the store ships anywhere else then the U.S. though. I haven't followed that thread. I found nothing of interest in the store and didn't particularly like the prices either. But that's just me.

[asutony]

Yes, Sharon is still there and I wasn't referring to the membership.
AYS is not doing great, everyone knows that and I won't deny it.
It is still hanging in there and so am I. :)
I am happy there for my own reasons.


Well please enlighten us the because it sure as hell can't be because they pay.

[BobbiePolk]

Well please enlighten us the because it sure as hell can't be because they pay.

Never said anything about being paid. I just said that I enjoyed being there.
That's all I have to say about it it.

[asutony]

Never said anything about being paid. I just said that I enjoyed being there.
That's all I have to say about it it.

Well thats good then because being there is all that you can accomplish. Sure can't make any money. Not sure why you would like being in a PTR that does not pay though. I think they need to promote themselves as a NPTR.

[mcf]

AYS is no longer accepting new members or advertisements.
Message on the site. Not sure how long it's been there.

[bulldog10]

Message on the site. Not sure how long it's been there.
I'm still a member .. don't know when that message was posted. I was reading at GPF and saw that AYS had received very few posts/votes for best program in July.. quite a change in numbers from what I remember in months gone by.

[asutony]

How can a site that stops paying ever be voted best site???

[bulldog10]

How can a site that stops paying ever be voted best site???
There doesn't seem to be a logical answer to that ;)