beehive mail

[winto]

reached the payout 3 days ago and haven't been paid yet. Is anyone else getting this?

[clarkecounty]

The terms of service states that you will be paid within 30 days. Patience.

[Josh]

I've seen a lot of people expecting really quick payments, lately. To wish for a quick payment is understandable, but when the terms state the period for payment, I don't see the reason for bringing it up in public.

[freecashspace]

Then again, in PTR, it's never too early to PANIC!

Just kidding. :laugh: :laugh:

Cheers,

Wil

[winto]

ok I've read it now. Guess I got a bit tangled up when I read that cashouts were done several times weekly. Ah well!

[Josh]

Yup. Every once in a while, even the people that make payouts very frequently end up with "at home" matters that require them to spend some time away from the good ol' PC. Sometimes, people just need to get away for a few days to keep themselves from being burned out.

I'd imagine all will be well soon. :)

[Draugen]

I've been paid by BeehiveMail before, it's a reliable program, you definitely have nothing to worry about!

[trulyfair]

I just found out that all BeeHive payments are on hold, none have been made since Sept 28th. Apparently the WM is having a difficult time with cheaters and also with eGold payments. There was a glitch of some sort and approximately 40 members were paid two and three times.

She also appears to have made a 10pt link worth $10 on her other program Signup Buzz and four people redeemed and were paid. However, I believe she did recoup this money. Evidently another 17 or so members tried to redeem as well but by this time she had discovered her error.

And.........she is now thinking of raising the pay out level for BeeHive and also doing random pay outs.

[Draugen]

You were right trulyfair! Payout on Paypal has now been raised to $4. :(

[Mikemar]

Beehive always pays up, just be patient and you will be fine :)

[freecashspace]

It'll be interesting to see how the members react to the new $4 minimum. I can't say I'm particularly thrilled about it, since one of the reasons I joined Beehive (other than out of sheer curiosity to see if Cheri could walk the walk) was because of the frequency of payments. According to ThePaidHelp, I average about 4 cents a day at Beehive, which means it'll take me right at 100 days to earn the minimum. That's pretty much my limit when it comes to PTRs -- I've had too many bad experiences to trust any Program Owner to hold my money much longer than that.

Cheers,

Wil

[epl]

Hi !
I just got my second payout from Beehivemail ! I changed my payoutaccount from e-gold to paypal yesterday, and this morning (I´m living in Denmark +7 hours from the east of US) I had a payout on my paypal-account, so I think webmaster of Beehivemail is a hounest person
Sincerely epldk

[YouthInAsia]

All of this is rather disappointing news, however I would by lying if I said that one could not see this coming.

The owner of this website earned a degree of respect from me and others with my epistemological viewpoints based primarily on her stand against GPF and the ever burgeoning corruption and cronyism that was and is pandemic throughout that forum and for that matter, also prevalent in the “industry” as a whole.

I have come to one conclusion. PTRE style programs run by individuals should be avoided from the onset. No matter how “nice” or seemingly intelligent these individuals may seem in the beginning, they are always destined to the same fate.

These persons just do not have the disposition, capital reserves, or skill to manage a long-term business and handle even the most basic customer service challenges.

Make the BOYCOTT PROCESS SIMPLE, start by putting all new programs on the watch list and make them earn their way off of it. You think I am joking, but this is exactly what MorningStar does in rating stocks of new companies.

Most of the programs now are perpetuated by fraudsters with no intention of making payment for any length or time (if ever). Others that appear to want to make a real successful long-term venture are often charmed by their own temporary success and become unbearable tyrants and feel they have the right to abuse their membership, promoters, and patrons just because they made a few months of payments.

It is not a GREAT thing that this owner has paid on time. It is just a basic requirement. Compared to others that deliberately commit fraud, Cheri seems a great person; however, one should remind her that she has merely complied with the basics by paying people in the past.

All legitimate businesses do this in the real world, and it is about time that people who patronize these schemes admit this and quit excusing those who do not.

Programs such as these never seem to make it a year without either folding or making draconian changes to the detriment of the membership base. Of course, there always is an excuse: Cheaters, naughty derogatory posts from competition, pressure of the financial system (such as paypal), ad nauseum.

It also is about time that patrons dismiss these often lame excuses and kick these sites to the curb when they insult our intelligence with excuses. Cheri (the Beehive owner) is a seasoned veteran of this industry and has no excuse for not adequately planning for these eventualities. At least be more creative in your excuses. I remember about a year ago when I was conducting some interviews in California, one candidate showed up unabashedly two hours late with the excuse that there was traffic. Imagine that, traffic in LA! Of course his interview lasted precisely 15 seconds, and my membership with Beehive would last the same time-span (if I was still a member).

More often that not, those who seem to gain a modicum of success become a little too sure of themselves and decide they can do anything they want to their membership. History has shown this to be true and those who seem satisfied to take any sort of abuse just because Cheri sent them a prompt dollar in the past have failed to see the undeniable pattern of these types of enterprises.

Unfortunately Beehive is no different that any other cookie-cutter boom and bust program we have seen in the past. A year ago, Hauling Cash was everyone’s darling, and even though Cheri is not as popular and has made many enemies, she follows in the same path and behaves exactly the same as those she once criticized. I really hate to say this because I really wanted to see her succeed.

Quadrupling the payout is a Bennite Solution to a problem that likely does not exist or is the sole fault of an owner who spends too much time arguing with opponents and not enough time managing a business.

Cheri often makes remarks such as “It is only a buck” and now she might say “golly geez, we are only talking 3 more bucks here!”. Often when I see these sorts of remarks the temptation is great for me to reply “So if it is such small change, why do I waste time with you at all?” It is all about the principle of the matter, because in the great scheme of things, these programs are all child’s play.

I have also held my tongue in the past when she incessantly brags about paying out 30,000 dollars. One who knows basic math and made basic assumptions tilted in her favor could assume if (which is unlikely) she made the same amount of money she paid out in profit (50% for her, 50% for members), that she would be far better off flipping burgers at Dairy Queen. $30,000 a year will put one squarely at the edge of the poverty level in most US cities. One should remind her she is not ready for the Forbes list quite yet.

At the end of this all, what I am saying in too many words is don’t bother with this site or any one like it. They are all the same. Non business people with no money just don’t have what it takes to pull off a successful long-standing enterprise.

If you must delve, do so knowing you will mostly waste your time, perhaps lose some money, and may cause unnecessary security risks and ulcers for very little potential reward.

I enjoy earning rewards, but confine myself to corporate based programs such as Upromise and the Credit Card/Airline programs. For all the small-fry lemonade stand types, just wait one year before joining. Doing so will eliminate almost 100% of the garbage. I only belong to one such program (quickrewards.net) that has paid me faithfully for 4 solid years. For some reason the owner of this program thinks customer service and a solid business plan is more valuable that running banal search links for pals and making “mine is bigger than yours” arguments on forums.


Hey, it’s your life and you only get one. Spend your time on fruitful enterprises with a real up-side potential. Members, remember the customer is always right….and YOU are the customer…..You have the power to decide whether or not you will accept this….so how will you use your power?

[leapme]

I don't mind the $4 payout. I received almost $25 from Cheri so far and as I let my other ptr's go up to $10 I really don't mind if this one keeps paying out automatically at $4.

I don't see the problem. What can you do with $1 at the time anyway? Transfur it to your bank account, run to the bank and buy what? A candybar?:D

[TonyTheTiger]

Sorry to say, but when a site changes it's terms and makes payouts higher, it usually means one thing, the end is near.

[bellestraker]

Scary business:

When I read a post by YIA and agree with a large portion of it..my first thought is. "What the H is gptr coming to"?

I have been another of the semi rah rah crowd who had really hoped that Cheri would make it and when she started her downward spiral I was a part of the "Basher crew" who called her on it.

I also watched as everyone nodded and proclaimed greatness for beehive because "Cheri pays"

Whoop de doo.

She may HAVE paid..but she has also been very clear in stating her "purpose" which has been to "show everyone else how its done.

Well Cheri.YOU SHOWED US. ....
What You showed any of us was that you were able to play a mean game of follow the leader" minus the fine tuning and the finesse.

It was done before you opened...Many times and in many cases bigger and better so that doesn't say much.

You rode others mercilessly for doing almost to a one...everything which you have carbon copied.

All that's left is sailing off into the setting sun or sell to a "new manager/owner"

Oh that's right..The new manager of your other site has come and gone and a new owner is also now well established so guess if we are to expect a follow through which is true to normal gptr..well all that's left is to make up the "bon voyage cards.

It seems that everything you have said,believed in and claimed as "your truth and your honor as a business person is about as stable as a home built on a quake fault."

Absolutely solid...well unless you remove a bit of the sand bagging and get a good look at the shaky foundation.

I am so sick of gptr...and dont ask me why I am still here.
Bad habit maybe.

Have a good one

Belle

[bluedahlia]

I don't have much to add here except I'm glad to see that certain programs are no longer receiving preferential treatment over others based on who is agreeing with whom. When reading some of these threads, my mind would be screaming.......but....but.....but..... That was my whole issue with some of the posters and posts. It seemed that objectivity was in short demand.

As a result, I had changed my siggy as a tribute to Beehive, but have grown tired of it and will soon find one to replace it. In the meantime, Cheri, feel free to use it any time you like. Gotta love that Groucho!

[bluedahlia]

I am so sick of gptr...and dont ask me why I am still here.
Bad habit maybe.

Have a good one

Belle

Maybe we can form a "GPTR ANONYMOUS"? 12 Step Program....... but I'm sure we can cut it down to 6. Hehehehhehe!

[bellestraker]

Maybe we can form a "GPTR ANONYMOUS"? 12 Step Program....... but I'm sure we can cut it down to 6. Hehehehhehe!


lol.

I think we could rap it up in 2...(tiny steps).

and what is even more pathetic is that I let it bother me in the first place.

I cant believe how surprised I was with the " Heavenly" fiasco but now..a mere couple weeks later..it seems so..."tame".

I wonder if we can make a theme song out of your sig..It says more about gptr than anything else I have read.

Take care

Belle

[AnI4AnI]

Well, it could start off as a 12-step program, then after a few months, if no progress seems to be being made, we could increase it to......... ohhhhhhhh say.......... 24-steps and include a clause about not talking about it in the forums. And the beauty of it all is this....whenever we feel like not showing up, we could just blame the dang cheaters.

[bellestraker]

Well, it could start off as a 12-step program, then after a few months, if no progress seems to be being made, we could increase it to......... ohhhhhhhh say.......... 24-steps and include a clause about not talking about it in the forums. And the beauty of it all is this....whenever we feel like not showing up, we could just blame the dang cheaters.



If I had to explain why I am still chasing gptr's..it would take a lot more than 24 steps..

Maybe we do need a support group lol( wish I was a drinker..I could just get drunk)
hmmm maybe THATS something to look into.

WHY do so many of us STAY..??

Belle

[AnI4AnI]

Maybe we do need a support group lol( wish I was a drinker..I could just get drunk)

We could sit around and talk about all the booze we couldn't buy because we never got paid.

One of my favorite sayings:

"You call it a six-pack. I call it a support group." -Anonymous

[bellestraker]

We could sit around and talk about all the booze we couldn't buy because we never got paid.

One of my favorite sayings:

"You call it a six-pack. I call it a support group." -Anonymous



You call it a support group..I call it tragic comedy.( Or comic tradgedy)


I figured out why I stay..there are still two sites I actually believe in.( well..maybe one)


Or maybe its like a lousy book that you just keep reading ..hoping that there IS some point to it...

Now the only problem is how do we know when we reach the final page.

Maybe..THATS when we get drunk.

Belle

[Josh]

Interesting thread. All I can say is I certainly hope that the poverty level is not just below $30,000, or I'm not earning much more now than I was a few years ago despite massive inflation and cost-of-living increases. Doing a lot of work with US Visa paperwork in 2002, I remember that, across various cities, the mean poverty level for two was around $12,000 p.a.

Of course, with all this talk of drinking, the money might go flying out the window a little faster. :hehe:

[bellestraker]

Interesting thread. All I can say is I certainly hope that the poverty level is not just below $30,000, or I'm not earning much more now than I was a few years ago despite massive inflation and cost-of-living increases. Doing a lot of work with US Visa paperwork in 2002, I remember that, across various cities, the mean poverty level for two was around $12,000 p.a.

Of course, with all this talk of drinking, the money might go flying out the window a little faster. :hehe:


This says its from 2004 but not sure if its the best one or not.

Imagine a family of 8 trying to survive on just over $30,000.00 ..

Belle

2004 HHS Poverty Guidelines
Size of
Family Unit 48 Contiguous
States and D.C. Alaska Hawaii
1 $ 9,310 $11,630 $10,700
2 12,490 15,610 14,360
3 15,670 19,590 18,020
4 18,850 23,570 21,680
5 22,030 27,550 25,340
6 25,210 31,530 29,000
7 28,390 35,510 32,660
8 31,570 39,490 36,320
For each additional
person, add 3,180 3,980 3,660

SOURCE: Federal Register, Vol. 69, No. 30, February 13, 2004, pp. 7336-7338.

[Josh]

This says its from 2004 but not sure if its the best one or not.

Imagine a family of 8 trying to survive on just over $30,000.00 ..

Belle

2004 HHS Poverty Guidelines
Size of
Family Unit 48 Contiguous
States and D.C. Alaska Hawaii
1 $ 9,310 $11,630 $10,700
2 12,490 15,610 14,360
3 15,670 19,590 18,020
4 18,850 23,570 21,680
5 22,030 27,550 25,340
6 25,210 31,530 29,000
7 28,390 35,510 32,660
8 31,570 39,490 36,320
For each additional
person, add 3,180 3,980 3,660

SOURCE: Federal Register, Vol. 69, No. 30, February 13, 2004, pp. 7336-7338.

That's why it's called the poverty level, because it's living with only the lowest forms of what we call "necessities."

At one point a couple of years ago, I was literally only spending money on rent and food. Okay, and necessary toiletries, too. It didn't extend for a full year, but if it had, the cost would have been just under $7000, nearly all from rent. Obviously, not the most enjoyable living conditions, but when your job is paying you nothing, then you gotta make do with what you have. :\ If I had a family of 8 (or any family) I'd definitely want to make sure that they were able to live above that sort of level, because it really isn't a wonderful situation. It's not really missing the every-day nice little add-ons to life which we enjoy, although those are certainly nice to have when possible. The worst problem is worrying that something may go wrong (i.e. medical) and you won't have any way of taking care of it.

[terrideo]

Freecash, I don't know why you think it will take 100 days to make a $4 payout. When the payout was $1 I got paid every week, so I expect to make the payout in about a month.

You must be missing a lot of emails or somethin'.

:)

[Liz1980]

I read this because i have made over $100 on beehive and was interested since i just read the admin mail that posted the payment minimum increase. What made me wonder as I dont know about this BPTR or BPTE talk is ... Cheri is usually very responsive and a semi active poster here{ or at least she was} Why no response to this. I guess all good things end in time but since I have been paid many many times I will give her the benefit and wait til' I reach $4 and then see what happens. To me someone who has proved theirself at least deserves a chance.

[trulyfair]

Freecash, I don't know why you think it will take 100 days to make a $4 payout. When the payout was $1 I got paid every week, so I expect to make the payout in about a month.

You must be missing a lot of emails or somethin'.

:)

freecashspace stated that he makes approximately 4 cents per day, so it would take him 100 days to reach $4.00.

Perhaps he doesn't live in the U.S. so his emails would be limited.

[freecashspace]

I'm not in the US. I don't read every email. A lot of the emails I do read I don't actually get paid for because they are expired after a limited number of clicks (another reminder that we're not actually being paid to read, are we?) According to ThePaidHelp, it'll take me about 100 days. Other members may have different results.

Cheers,

Wil

[trulyfair]

Cheri is usually very responsive and a semi active poster here{ or at least she was} Why no response to this. I guess all good things end in time but since I have been paid many many times I will give her the benefit and wait til' I reach $4 and then see what happens. To me someone who has proved theirself at least deserves a chance.

Perhaps being a semi-active poster, though I would be more inclined to say active judging by the number of posts, is part of the reason.


Quadrupling the payout is a Bennite Solution to a problem that likely does not exist or is the sole fault of an owner who spends too much time arguing with opponents and not enough time managing a business.

If freebie had been minding her own business (pun intended) she would not have been so overwhelmed by cheaters on her program. Although I do not think that less than 3% of the total membership to be all that big a deal. The membership was around 6,000 in late September, of that number 179 have been deleted for cheating between September 28th and October 4th.

The following post was made on Sept 26th in another thread.
I have always wondered how mods can run sites and mod at the same time...

not well is the results i have usually seen

The pot calling the kettle black?

[freebiesite]

Well...I would expect this sort of a roast..but I really do NOT care, since I am getting toasted by cheats, fraud paypal again and frankly I sometimes feel about as enthusiastic as Belle in regards to ptr in general <grin>


FYI truly fair..those are NOT all the cheats..the hall of shame was not working for a month..due to jeremiah of teddy clicks software snafu's and he does not answer emails..one of my members finally reinstalled it for me

I am ...quietly...paying out at about $2....for most members..I am also painstakingly putting others on seperate watch list

the newest forms of cheats?? People with usa ip's..who do not speak english...in fact..some of their limited responses to me, I would guess they are asian

they mysteriously have "plain" names...like what a non usa born person might think a usa name is (of course we are a melting pot...usa names are Irish, like mine, German, Italian, Slavic, Hispanic, Asian and anything else)

however...ALL of these names are ...very plain british..fake..John Jones, Mary Smith, William White, Tom Black, Jane Wilson....and their streets?
main street, elm street, park avenue...

and these "americans" also are clicking cheat links...and refering each other...
and they are cheating on signups....in fact I had some reversed

there are just a gazillion ways to cheat

and....for what? Like Belle saw the level of questions I have to sit and answer everyday...ie, a guy with 28 cents who wants to know when he will get paid and how he gets paid $25 or some such...geeze

Frankly I am working on other methods....just as I do not care about ptp, dont want to run those ads and dont care, i may soon not care about paypal....I am really sick of them...

Just think..I could run ads for mlms...ie, mary kaye, avon, etc..if not for them..I could run ads for bingo deals and even some gambling..what the hell is wrong with that? If people like it ,so what....they are very lucrative

I am focusing more on my signupbuzz site..where i dont have to depend on ads....just like mypoints does not have to depend on ads

with no cash emails there, I am not dependent on advertisers, members have a harder time cheating...now I just have to never do the mistake i did , ie the $10 for 10 pts LOL>> In fact, I am talking to a cygp guru guy to change that in the script so I cant make that mistake...:) But now I will never pay that fast..so thanks to all who tried to cash out

I am NOT going to pay egold on the buzz signups..that is where they can really screw me over ...ie, they use a stolen cc card to do a signup, they dupe them...I pay too fast in egold..they unsub...I get charged back..and i am not talking small chargebacks here

but..no more...I can move fast and decisively ...and i am movvving fast ...

no more egold payouts there....and they will have to wait til I get paid on the larger signups...thanks to cheats

I am also striking out to reach a different form of member....ones who shop, who are into tightwad, coupons, saving money..to reach them I am planning ad in NON ptr newsletters....

members who want to keep on making good money can stick with me..those sort of members who cry like babies over 4 cents can go click click here or elsewhere...I really don't care all that much...

I am pretty PO about the members who did rush to cash in when I sent a cheat link...all usa members too...but..they just taught me another lesson...pay slower, check every account...once i make a mistake like that I wont make it again

I am also talking with Imad to make the ad page so that one can specify which payprocessor for different ads..til then I put more warnings on the page..ie, no new bulk ads with paypal...

but...my real focus will be on the signup stuff..and I am working on that

the other reason I am really really glad to raise the amount on beehive tho is simply logistics...doing that many payments a week is nervewracking,


and glitches??
especialy when I have intermittent bad weather/connections and electric that sometimes goes off for a bit here....plus it is just..like a huge huge burden...I cant take a day off, I cant let anyone else run the site, I cant do anything..each payment i have to get the spreadsheet out, check some cheats, adjut the total on the front page, etc...much much work...

the egold? I may just have to do it by hand..so anyone with egold, do NOT expect any lower or random pays....I will wait til $6 on that...

paypal I am mostly paying lower...(I paid down to $2 today)
except those I am "watching">>>

however, I have to say that I did a whole reassessment recently....
and I have decided I have to strike out and find new "areas" of new "blood" for sites..beyond the usual ptr members...and new ways of doing things

I am lucky in that I do have some of these on my site who are more "freebie/coupon/tightwad" member on aol who do not join too many other sites...I want to build up more of these...hence the new places I am advertising


thanks for input...cheri

PS wil...I also am adding a few signups for au and uk ..why should us "yanks" have all the "fun" LOL

[trulyfair]

FYI truly fair..those are NOT all the cheats..the hall of shame was not working for a month..due to jeremiah of teddy clicks software snafu's and he does not answer emails..one of my members finally reinstalled it for me

Perhaps you should read my post. I did not state that those were all the cheats. ;)

I am ...quietly...paying out at about $2....for most members..I am also painstakingly putting others on seperate watch list

Quietly paying out at about $2? Not any more, you have just made that information public knowledge. :laugh:

[freebiesite]

Well...what I mean is that this way I can hold back on some people...I doubt they read enough english to read this

they do clamour to be paid quickly..which is how I ended up paying 2 of them fairly large (for ptr sums) on signup offers ....only to suffer a reversal

sooo...some people are now in a new catagory to be watched...

one did send an email to me in stilted english after I ran a cheat link>>

"sorry I click cheat link, I have software program that opens and does my mails so I dont read them" >>>>hellloo???

if members are upset?? well...I am upset at the fact 45 out of 47 who were double paid in egold did not let me know..and that later some of them were angry I took back the double pay, I am upset that a few of them wrote me indignant sounding letters in french and italian about it....

another posted angrily in english..I mean when members get mad when u take back a glitch payment? hello....of course a bunch of them simply quit, running off into the sunset with their extra buck...so egold will now always be paid at full higher amount..and may have to be done by hand

yeah..I am also upset at the usa members who rushed to cash out at $10 when they know they had earned nothing there, 10 pts...

I am also upset at the new clever usa based cheat ring that has "common British names", lives on Monopoly named streets and apparrently cant speak english and clicks cheat links..

I am upset that paypal can reverse a transaction from July 9th....on sept 29....I am upset that people cant even read enough english and keep sending me bulk ads paid in paypal tho it clearly says NO paypal for bulks for new customers...then I am refunding them minus 10%...and they can pay the balance in egold or take a hike

No youth, I have not made that much for myself, I wish..however, I am no longer putting any money of my own into beehive..it runs itself..the hosting is paid, the members are paid..yes, I could pay even lower, but NO I wont..
the treadmill stops here

I simply no longer think that the $1 payout is feasible ..for any site, and FYI I was going to raise the payout on snowman ..where the cheats were incrediable...and the new wm has raised it to $5

I feel $4 ...and $6 for egold and mb which are a courtesy as far as i have always been concerned ..is very fair. My next step may be more suble and /or official english tests....I need one that is "variable" tho cause I see how interconnected the cheats are they would simply tell each other the answers..:)

[YouthInAsia]

Well...I would expect this sort of a roast..but I really do NOT care, since I am getting toasted by cheats, fraud paypal again and frankly I sometimes feel about as enthusiastic as Belle in regards to ptr in general <grin>


FYI truly fair.......


I am ...quietly...paying out at about $2....for most members..I am also painstakingly putting others on seperate watch list

the newest forms of cheats?? People with usa ip's..who do not speak english...in fact..some of their limited responses to me, I would guess they are asian

they mysteriously have "plain" names...like what a non usa born person might think a usa name is (of course we are a melting pot...usa names are Irish, like mine, German, Italian, Slavic, Hispanic, Asian and anything else)

however...ALL of these names are ...very plain british..fake..John Jones, Mary Smith, William White, Tom Black, Jane Wilson....and their streets?
main street, elm street, park avenue...

and these "americans" also are clicking cheat links...and refering each other...
and they are cheating on signups....in fact I had some reversed

there are just a gazillion ways to cheat

and....for what? Like Belle saw the level of questions I have to sit and answer everyday...ie, a guy with 28 cents who wants to know when he will get paid and how he gets paid $25 or some such...geeze

Frankly I am working on other methods....just as I do not care about ptp, dont want to run those ads and dont care, i may soon not care about paypal....I am really sick of them...

Just think..I could run ads for mlms...ie, mary kaye, avon, etc..if not for them..I could run ads for bingo deals and even some gambling..what the hell is wrong with that? If people like it ,so what....they are very lucrative

I am focusing more on my signupbuzz site..where i dont have to depend on ads....just like mypoints does not have to depend on ads

with no cash emails there, I am not dependent on advertisers, members have a harder time cheating...now I just have to never do the mistake i did , ie the $10 for 10 pts LOL>> In fact, I am talking to a cygp guru guy to change that in the script so I cant make that mistake...:) But now I will never pay that fast..so thanks to all who tried to cash out

I am NOT going to pay egold on the buzz signups..that is where they can really screw me over ...ie, they use a stolen cc card to do a signup, they dupe them...I pay too fast in egold..they unsub...I get charged back..and i am not talking small chargebacks here

but..no more...I can move fast and decisively ...and i am movvving fast ...

no more egold payouts there....and they will have to wait til I get paid on the larger signups...thanks to cheats

I am also striking out to reach a different form of member....ones who shop, who are into tightwad, coupons, saving money..to reach them I am planning ad in NON ptr newsletters....

members who want to keep on making good money can stick with me..those sort of members who cry like babies over 4 cents can go click click here or elsewhere...I really don't care all that much...

I am pretty PO about the members who did rush to cash in when I sent a cheat link...all usa members too...but..they just taught me another lesson...pay slower, check every account...once i make a mistake like that I wont make it again

I am also talking with Imad to make the ad page so that one can specify which payprocessor for different ads..til then I put more warnings on the page..ie, no new bulk ads with paypal...

but...my real focus will be on the signup stuff..and I am working on that

the other reason I am really really glad to raise the amount on beehive tho is simply logistics...doing that many payments a week is nervewracking,


and glitches??
especialy when I have intermittent bad weather/connections and electric that sometimes goes off for a bit here....plus it is just..like a huge huge burden...I cant take a day off, I cant let anyone else run the site, I cant do anything..each payment i have to get the spreadsheet out, check some cheats, adjut the total on the front page, etc...much much work...

the egold? I may just have to do it by hand..so anyone with egold, do NOT expect any lower or random pays....I will wait til $6 on that...

paypal I am mostly paying lower...(I paid down to $2 today)
except those I am "watching">>>

however, I have to say that I did a whole reassessment recently....
and I have decided I have to strike out and find new "areas" of new "blood" for sites..beyond the usual ptr members...and new ways of doing things

I am lucky in that I do have some of these on my site who are more "freebie/coupon/tightwad" member on aol who do not join too many other sites...I want to build up more of these...hence the new places I am advertising


thanks for input...cheri

PS wil...I also am adding a few signups for au and uk ..why should us "yanks" have all the "fun" LOL







So many times when one of these one-horse lemonade stand owners is questioned (or roasted, if you must use the term) for their own negligent actions, they respond by turning against their base supporters and inform the public arrogantly that they intend to solicit a new clientele anyway. If I recall correctly, the now defunct MikesPaidEmail made the same claims (as did Annie’s, et al). They found, as this owner will likely find that the “other clientele” are quite a bit more demanding than the meek and humble PTRE community.

Ms. Beehive, I happen to be of that new demographic you claim to crave who DO shop, DO sign up for large ticket items, and heavily participate in banking and credit card deals on the internet. I have spoken to you regarding this on this very forum and made recommendations that you do a better job on your signup section in the past. I have not been a member of your program for a while, but I saw no improvement in this arena during my tenure. I did see endless banners for the stupid studio traffic ponzi scheme in spite of all the claims you made against running such ads.

UNLESS you change your attitude, you are not ready for the “big league”. If I cannot trust you to handle paying out a dollar earned on simple links without telling me about every cheater from here to high-street China, then what makes you think I will give you the chance to rob me of hundreds of dollars?.....or to handle my information with respect and care? I earned approximately $1500.00 last month alone doing sign-ups and credit card offers through fatwallet.com and quickrewards.net and it was a very light month.

Here’s a sample of what I am talking about just for the last few days just for paypal transactions alone:

Date Type To/From Name/Email Status Details Action Amount Balance
Oct. 7, 2005 Transfer To Bank Account Completed Details

-$11.99 USD $0.00 USD
Oct. 7, 2005 Payment From QuickRewards Network Completed Details

$11.99 USD $11.99 USD
Oct. 6, 2005 Transfer To Bank Account Completed Details

-$37.21 USD $0.00 USD
Oct. 5, 2005 Payment From QuickRewards Network Completed Details

$8.83 USD $37.21 USD
Oct. 5, 2005 Payment From QuickRewards Network Completed Details

$28.38 USD $28.38 USD



Each of these businesses had to earn my trust before I would even consider letting them be privy to the amount of information required for me to participate in these ventures.

On top of that, I almost exclusively shop online through affiliate programs. I am more than willing to use a good honest site to earn a kickback. Using this methodology combined with credit card rebates slices my household expenses by at least 15%. That’s some serious money, and I demand an honest, predictable, and prompt business to pay me what I have earned, and I am not impressed or trusting of any site that runs banners for rip-off artists like studio traffic. I assume (often correctly) that any site associated with such scams will likely eventually scam me.

Until you have changed your attitude towards customer service and understand the concept of fiduciary duty, you are not ready to attract such a clientele. This is a shame, because more competition would be better for me (the consumer). I would love to see a rebate-war launch!

Instead, you tell us “poor PTRE slobs” time and time again that “YOU DO NOT CARE”. Don’t be so sure there are not other shoppers, tightwads (as you unglamorously put it), and sign-up jockeys present at this forum, or even in this thread. Not everyone is as forthright as I am….and most people into rebates read ALL of these forums and rarely post. I did so for quite a number of years before actually joining any forum.



Any fool can set up a Metarewards portal…..it’s the owner who can track carefully and pay quickly who earns the commission and the repeat business!

Your news that you are paying “some people at $2.00, others you are watching….” Just shows me a high degree of unpredictability. I have no time for such nonsense when it comes to my rebates…..and I do care about 4 cents if it is mine. It’s a matter of principle.

You said you do not care, so I will take your word for it……and send my commission money elsewhere….I am sure you will find a few suckers, but they will not be in the crowd you are talking about….they will be PTRE hobbyists. You had better learn to be nicer to them; they may be all you have to work with!




Final Note: this message is meant to be a "wake up call" to Cheri and was not made in anger or for the purpose of berating a business owner whom I respect for standing up against the corrupt GPF crowd.



I have run "fresh out" of sincerity now...so Goodbye...:cool:

[YouthInAsia]

I simply no longer think that the $1 payout is feasible ..for any site, and FYI I was going to raise the payout on snowman ..where the cheats were incrediable...and the new wm has raised it to $5

I feel $4 ...and $6 for egold and mb which are a courtesy as far as i have always been concerned ..is very fair. My next step may be more suble and /or official english tests....I need one that is "variable" tho cause I see how interconnected the cheats are they would simply tell each other the answers..:)


Deserves a post all it's own.


Quickrewards.net pays out at 1 cent on-demand within a few hours and has been doing so for over 4 years.

If they can do it, why can't you?


Fatwallet also has no minimum for shopping rebates (I believe, I need to check to be sure).

I get tired of the excuses. You had it right at $1, and bragged SO tiresomely about your mass pay thing.....so what went wrong?

[freebiesite]

Deserves a post all it's own.


Quickrewards.net pays out at 1 cent on-demand within a few hours and has been doing so for over 4 years.

If they can do it, why can't you?


Fatwallet also has no minimum for shopping rebates (I believe, I need to check to be sure).

I get tired of the excuses. You had it right at $1, and bragged SO tiresomely about your mass pay thing.....so what went wrong?

well...number one....I happen to live in an area with electrical and power glitches...one glitch and I can overpay or not be able to access the web and put in the payment and have to scrabble around and do much by hand

secondly....there is a new form of cheat...people living in the usa who are not fluent in english who strangely have "common british names ONLY"....who click cheat links..but who do signups and then wish to be paid immediately in egold..then i am left with the reversals...NO MORE

My new site is just signups, just usa and canada...however, I will wait til deals are assured i am getting paid and I will not pay out there in egold

As for beehive?? I simply find it too much work to look for cheats, find cheats, make the masspays so many times per week, too many ways things can go wrong...I do not feel it is feasible

Frankly after 45 of 47 people who were double paid at egold due to a weather glitch I had no control of, I am pretty disgusted

when I (dumb me) sent a 10 pt ad as $10 I was amazed at the amount of usa members who rushed breakneck to "cash out">..

Getting hit with reversals due to the new form of "common name" cheat ring? then having Paypal hit me with a reversal from July 9 on sept 9...a true fraud guy who hit other sites...

this is the level of people one must deal with...JMO I have to look out for this and running like a rat on a treadmill to do large payouts 4 x a week is NOT the way to do this....

I may have had it 'right" for the members at $1 but not "right" for me...

at some point I have to ask if this is worth it for ME to do..unless I get a handle on this bleeding out to cheats it will not be feasible for me to continue

to keep the programs running I intend to do what I have to do

I am already setting up another shopping/deals portal and a freebies site

and putting more effort into my signups site

I think that the real future is in limiting the countries..there is nothing much I can sell to people in spain or france, that is why only search ads come in ...people have tried "other" ads..but they are not profitable I guess


notice that the sites you mention ONLY have usa members

I am really NOT here to make this "industry" right...I just have to watch my own little corner of it..and at this point the daily/scrabble/payout at $1 is NOT working for ME>>> for MY personal life, for my bankaccount when I see the amount of cheats I have paid..and for me to run the other program right


In order to keep the program viable i have raised the payout

and since you dont like the fact i was paying people at a lower amount, then maybe I wont..I dont see why that is a problem

I could show you the losses i take to these cheats
and frankly after seeing how many of my members were so happy to be double paid or paid for nothing, that simply made my decision much easier

[YouthInAsia]

well...number one....I happen to live in an area with electrical and power glitches...one glitch and I can overpay or not be able to access the web and put in the payment and have to scrabble around and do much by hand

secondly....there is a new form of cheat...people living in the usa who are not fluent in english who strangely have "common british names ONLY"....who click cheat links..but who do signups and then wish to be paid immediately in egold..then i am left with the reversals...NO MORE

My new site is just signups, just usa and canada...however, I will wait til deals are assured i am getting paid and I will not pay out there in egold

As for beehive?? I simply find it too much work to look for cheats, find cheats, make the masspays so many times per week, too many ways things can go wrong...I do not feel it is feasible

Frankly after 45 of 47 people who were double paid at egold due to a weather glitch I had no control of, I am pretty disgusted

when I (dumb me) sent a 10 pt ad as $10 I was amazed at the amount of usa members who rushed breakneck to "cash out">..

Getting hit with reversals due to the new form of "common name" cheat ring? then having Paypal hit me with a reversal from July 9 on sept 9...a true fraud guy who hit other sites...

this is the level of people one must deal with...JMO I have to look out for this and running like a rat on a treadmill to do large payouts 4 x a week is NOT the way to do this....

I may have had it 'right" for the members at $1 but not "right" for me...

at some point I have to ask if this is worth it for ME to do..unless I get a handle on this bleeding out to cheats it will not be feasible for me to continue

to keep the programs running I intend to do what I have to do

I am already setting up another shopping/deals portal and a freebies site

and putting more effort into my signups site

I think that the real future is in limiting the countries..there is nothing much I can sell to people in spain or france, that is why only search ads come in ...people have tried "other" ads..but they are not profitable I guess


notice that the sites you mention ONLY have usa members

I am really NOT here to make this "industry" right...I just have to watch my own little corner of it..and at this point the daily/scrabble/payout at $1 is NOT working for ME>>> for MY personal life, for my bankaccount when I see the amount of cheats I have paid..and for me to run the other program right


In order to keep the program viable i have raised the payout

and since you dont like the fact i was paying people at a lower amount, then maybe I wont..I dont see why that is a problem

I could show you the losses i take to these cheats
and frankly after seeing how many of my members were so happy to be double paid or paid for nothing, that simply made my decision much easier



Out of curiosity, this new "non english cheat ring".....

How are they cheating you and why do you care what language they speak anyway. All you care about is if they can manage to click the right link or sign up in a valid manner....if they ARE in the USA then why should you get a reversal?

I have never understood why you guys get so hung up on language. Your writing style is about 7th grade level at best, but I am sure your money will spend just like the poor immigrant who struggles a bit. Hey, I am an immigrant in the USA, ?want to see my green card? My English ain't so good either.


Metarewards and the other sign-up processors only care if the person signed up and was from a valid region....they don't care what language he speaks...

How are you being cheated here? Is this person faking or spoofing his ISP and fooling you but being subsequently caught with more sophisticated software by the metarewards portal? If so, can you not make some adjustments to catch these situations? And why do all members have to suffer the increase? Why not slow down the crediting of sign-ups (only a reasonable amount) and allow the link clickers to still get their money quickly? That money is paid up-front anyway (or is it?).

Why do you even offer Egold? That is garbage no professional business will use.

Also, for the $10 dollar vs 10 pt link……Wouldn’t a simple measure of automatically paying lower balances only and forcing a review of balances over a threshold protect you from events such as this without annoying your whole member base? There are simple solutions, and wise owners use them.



You also are now frequently blaming the weather. I know Florida has quite a few storms, but I am not sure how these events cause you to pay people in error. Did lightning strike your paypal? Weather can be rough in Florida, but you ain’t exactly living in Patagonia, so give the weather excuse a bit of a rest.

[freebiesite]

regarding the weather...when my lights go off in the midst of a payment or there is a power surge or something a double pay can result in egold

earlier this summer I was on my one little vacation on west coast of florida when trying to make a masspay the site went down could not access it, had to drive accross the state and finish the pay, by that time some people had earned 4 to 10 cents more, I paid them all the diference by hand..insanity JMO

as for the other? I really do NOT feel I should talk about it here in this forum...will other people open their books or reveal their business info? I doubt it...I will pm you the details and they are NOT pretty

[leapme]

Cheri, please give it up. It's ridiculous that you should have to defend yourself against other people.

You have done a good job so far and I hope making these changes will help you continue in doing a good job.

If people don't like the $4 or $6 payout they have the option to leave.

Me I'll stick around :-)


As for all you others above attacking Cheri, so far I've been with beehive she has paid me every cent I earned. If I reached the $1 limit I would receive whatever was in my account at the time she paid which exceeded above $1.

She has been honest and fair, even when my "American" native Illinois speaking husband (I'm Dutch myself) wasn't paying attention and clicked a cheat link (I should have explained a little better befor I asked him to help me out with all them clicks :-) He wrote to her and explained his stupidity.
She forgave him and did not delete my account. In fact as I recall she even restored the amount she took out.

Now he knows not ever to do clicks befor having 5 cups of coffee first.:p
But more inportant than that is that Cheri is honest, fair and can be forgiving for mistakes made (I guess as long as you don't do it twice :D )

So for all you guys comming down on her : Go drag a site down that doesn't pay or a site-owner that really doesn't give a ****.
Get off Cheri's back, she's just doing what she feels she needs to do in order to be able to have a life other than sit behind her computer all day making payouts.

[trulyfair]

Cheri, please give it up. It's ridiculous that you should have to defend yourself against other people.
That is asking too much. Freebie loves being in the limelight no matter whether positive or negative.


She has been honest and fair, even when my "American" native Illinois speaking husband (I'm Dutch myself) wasn't paying attention and clicked a cheat link (I should have explained a little better befor I asked him to help me out with all them clicks :-) He wrote to her and explained his stupidity.
She forgave him and did not delete my account. In fact as I recall she even restored the amount she took out.

Now he knows not ever to do clicks befor having 5 cups of coffee first.:p
But more inportant than that is that Cheri is honest, fair and can be forgiving for mistakes made (I guess as long as you don't do it twice :D )
Everyone is given 3 chances according to the Terms, so you didn't get any special treatment, other than the fact you may have had the money restored to your account.

Get off Cheri's back, she's just doing what she feels she needs to do in order to be able to have a life other than sit behind her computer all day making payouts.
Rather than sitting behind a computer making payouts, she prefers to be in this forum making her mostly lengthy, ranting posts.

BTW if her program is so over-run with cheaters as she claims, I wonder why she has so much time available to be here? IMO it would be more productive for her to be looking after her program and her members.

I wonder why BeeHive is the only program that these cheaters have joined? Or is it just that other program owners are able to deal with the problem more efficiently and don't feel the need to make a mountain out of a molehill.

[leapme]

That is asking too much. Freebie loves being in the limelight no matter whether positive or negative.



I would defend myself too if I was attacked. And since you are one of the attackers I guess you like to be in the spotlights too huh?

What is it trulyfair? Been deleted from beehive for clicking a cheatlink or something?

I have an idea. Why don't you hop on a plain, train or in a car, get over to Cheri's and instead of lashing out at her here in plubic, why not go do that in person. Be brave, take a chance instead of hiding behind your computer. You seem to have plenty of time on your hands too being on this forum replying to her lengthy, ranting posts.



Or better yet, go help her out. You seem awful interested in knowing how come she has so many cheaters and others don't. I have no knowledge on cheaters or cheating software, but I can make a good guess on why she might have so many. If you don't, and you desperatly want to know, there's an old saying in our country " you catch more flies with honey than vinigar " so instead of lashing out, why don't you contact her and swap a couple of ideas on how she can manage it faster
Since you obviously seem to know so much why don't you share your knowledge instead of lashing out.

[doc235]

I just found out that all BeeHive payments are on hold, none have been made since Sept 28th. Apparently the WM is having a difficult time with cheaters and also with eGold payments. There was a glitch of some sort and approximately 40 members were paid two and three times.

She also appears to have made a 10pt link worth $10 on her other program Signup Buzz and four people redeemed and were paid. However, I believe she did recoup this money. Evidently another 17 or so members tried to redeem as well but by this time she had discovered her error.

And.........she is now thinking of raising the pay out level for BeeHive and also doing random pay outs.
thats not true, i have been paid twice since then. lets see this is october 1th, hmm well ok no i was paid before the 28th and after the 28th so all is well :)

[freecashspace]

As for all you others above attacking Cheri, so far I've been with beehive she has paid me every cent I earned. If I reached the $1 limit I would receive whatever was in my account at the time she paid which exceeded above $1.
Good for Cheri. She actually pays her members the money they've earned. Woo hoo! Sadly, that is somewhat noteworthy in this industry. If she's still doing it this time next year, it'll be even more noteworthy. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Only in PTR are business owners raised high on a pedestal for doing their job. Heck, some are even praised for not doing their job -- if they can make it look like they're trying.

She has been honest and fair, even when my "American" native Illinois speaking husband (I'm Dutch myself) wasn't paying attention and clicked a cheat link (I should have explained a little better befor I asked him to help me out with all them clicks :-) He wrote to her and explained his stupidity.
She forgave him and did not delete my account. In fact as I recall she even restored the amount she took out.

Now he knows not ever to do clicks befor having 5 cups of coffee first.:p
But more inportant than that is that Cheri is honest, fair and can be forgiving for mistakes made (I guess as long as you don't do it twice :D )
He might even want to try reading the ads instead of just helping you out 'with all them clicks.' I know reading most PTR ads, particularly those for search engines, is a waste of time, but it is part of what you're getting paid to do -- read the ad, click the link, look at the website until the timer expires. I do understand and sympathize -- it can get a bit tedious when you're getting nothing but hundreds of ads for search engine portals every day. :alien:

So for all you guys comming down on her : Go drag a site down that doesn't pay or a site-owner that really doesn't give a ****.
Get off Cheri's back, she's just doing what she feels she needs to do in order to be able to have a life other than sit behind her computer all day making payouts.
Which site? Chances are, the faithful followers of that site and/or owner will say the same thing -- go pick on somebody that really deserves it. Trust me, I've read it a million times.

Youth has made a lot of good points. Sometimes its hard to see that when it's your favorite program, or owner, whose being criticized. But a lot of what Youth is saying, and what he and many others have been saying for a loooong time, isn't about Beehive, or Cheri, or any other particular program or owner. The names change, but the things that keep happening over and over in this industy tend to stay the same.

Cheers,

Wil

[trulyfair]

I would defend myself too if I was attacked. And since you are one of the attackers I guess you like to be in the spotlights too huh?
Sometimes it's best to ignore things and just get on with it rather than continue for months on end "defending" oneself. Especially when one has apparently had a change of morals.

What is it trulyfair? Been deleted from beehive for clicking a cheatlink or something?
Unlike some people I read the mails so I know when a cheat link is sent.


I have an idea. Why don't you hop on a plain, train or in a car, get over to Cheri's and instead of lashing out at her here in plubic, why not go do that in person. Be brave, take a chance instead of hiding behind your computer. You seem to have plenty of time on your hands too being on this forum replying to her

Your idea of making an extremely long trip is more than a bit ridiculous. As for hiding behind my computer, isn't it the same for everyone? You are hiding behind yours too in case you hadn't noticed.

I may have time on my hands but my situation is different, I am not running a PTR program and complaining about all the problems with it. If you take a look at the number of posts made, you will see who has been extremely busy. :p

Or better yet, go help her out. You seem awful interested in knowing how come she has so many cheaters and others don't. I have no knowledge on cheaters or cheating software, but I can make a good guess on why she might have so many. If you don't, and you desperatly want to know, there's an old saying in our country " you catch more flies with honey than vinigar " so instead of lashing out, why don't you contact her and swap a couple of ideas on how she can manage it faster
Since you obviously seem to know so much why don't you share your knowledge instead of lashing out.

I asked a question as to why her program had so many cheaters while other programs didn't appear to be in the same situation. How can you interpret that to mean that I have knowledge on how to handle them?

As you can make a good guess, it would be appropriate for you to take your own advice and share your knowledge and swap ideas.

[trulyfair]

thats not true, i have been paid twice since then. lets see this is october 1th, hmm well ok no i was paid before the 28th and after the 28th so all is well :)

Payments were on hold from September 28th until October 4th, which is the date the payment level increase was announced.

[Liz1980]

All I have to say is anytime someone makes a negative comment about any WM or program, immediately a bandwagon of die hard followers come to attack the ones who don't agree. I say if you like beehive stay, if you don't then leave , would make things so much simpler instead of everyone going back and forth pasting each other's quotes trying to sound like the more intelligent person. This is ptr and we all by now know any program is a risk.

[leapme]

Unlike some people I read the mails so I know when a cheat link is sent.

I guess that makes you probably worthy of gong in to the G- book of records. I bet eveyone who started doing this clicked a cheatlink at least ones.

As for hiding behind my computer, isn't it the same for everyone? You are hiding behind yours too in case you hadn't noticed.

Yup but I'm not lashing out at anyone like you and some others have done here at Cheri.



I asked a question as to why her program had so many cheaters while other programs didn't appear to be in the same situation. How can you interpret that to mean that I have knowledge on how to handle them?


Who said other programs are not in the same situation? You might not hear about them but that doesn't mean they're not. I read plenty complaints about the cheaters of forums connected to ptr-sites. Misty and sams is haviing a very hard time with cheaters for instance. That he doesn't make it plubic here doesn't mean he's living the easy live after he took it over. Cheri however tries to explain herself here when people have questions.


As you can make a good guess, it would be appropriate for you to take your own advice and share your knowledge and swap ideas.

"Guessing" is not "knowing", therefor not knowledge

[leapme]

:laugh: All I have to say is anytime someone makes a negative comment about any WM or program, immediately a bandwagon of die hard followers come to attack the ones who don't agree. I say if you like beehive stay, if you don't then leave , would make things so much simpler instead of everyone going back and forth pasting each other's quotes trying to sound like the more intelligent person. This is ptr and we all by now know any program is a risk.


Sorry Liz, just couldn't resist :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[leapme]

Okay this is it. I'm taking Liz her advice and moving on, not defending, not attacking.


Time for a laugh. This is a guy doing mime on a song and it's the best thing I've seen this week. Well next to $10 from gainmail that is :-)


http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1779

[trulyfair]

I guess that makes you probably worthy of gong in to the G- book of records. I bet eveyone who started doing this clicked a cheatlink at least ones.
As the cheat links are clearly marked, I would seriously doubt that I am the only person who has not clicked one.

Yup but I'm not lashing out at anyone like you and some others have done here at Cheri.
How nice of you to choose my posts for your response, I am honoured.


Who said other programs are not in the same situation?

Perhaps you should re-read my post, which I have included for your convenience.


I wonder why BeeHive is the only program that these cheaters have joined? Or is it just that other program owners are able to deal with the problem more efficiently and don't feel the need to make a mountain out of a molehill.


You might not hear about them but that doesn't mean they're not. I read plenty complaints about the cheaters of forums connected to ptr-sites. Misty and sams is haviing a very hard time with cheaters for instance. That he doesn't make it plubic here doesn't mean he's living the easy live after he took it over. Cheri however tries to explain herself here when people have questions.

I’m sure the owner of Misty and Sam’s will be delighted that you have brought their problem with cheaters into public view. BTW isn’t that program behind on payments?

Unfortunately, neglecting a program in order to be in this forum arguing, and then using cheaters as an excuse for raising the pay out level for BeeHive, doesn’t quite cut it. Cheaters can and should be deleted on a daily basis before they get out of hand.


"Guessing" is not "knowing", therefor not knowledge
Yet you consider no guess to be knowledge? :laugh:


Since you obviously seem to know so much why don't you share your knowledge instead of lashing out.

:hehe:

[Liz1980]

Can we take a vote to rename this thread : Leapme vs Trulyfair{although trulyfair has seemed to take a mature approach and not bash every and anything said by leapme}
The winner gets to rant about the other with no backlash from the other. When i got the response from BPTboycott that a reply was posted I wouldnt have known what is what about , I would have thought i was being emailed a pm between 2 rivals, but fortunately the email was labeled reply to beehive post. Well I guess cyberfighting is safer than real life as there are no casualties just a lot of stiff fingers from so much typing. This post doesnt even seem to have much to do with beehive anymore if i say so myself. If in doubt when responding to someone please read my sig before my ref links, it says it all

[mef623]

Having trouble signing on today. Is the site down?

Mike

[trulyfair]

Having trouble signing on today. Is the site down?

Mike

Simply out of curiousity, I tried to reach the BeeHive site and got "The page cannot be displayed" message. So it would appear that the site is indeed down.

[lil crusader]

Simply out of curiousity, I tried to reach the BeeHive site and got "The page cannot be displayed" message. So it would appear that the site is indeed down.

More than likely it's related to Hurricane Wilma.

[lightning1901]

i was wondering about that, i havent gotten any mails form them lately

[freeandeasy]

More than likely it's related to Hurricane Wilma.

The server itself is physically in Dallas, so it would be unaffected by Wilma.

However, if Cheri is offline due to Wilma, then she wouldn't be around to put in a reboot request if the server went down (assuming she's on a dedicated server, then that's what she would need to do).

[almitra]

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Been trying to sign in for 2 days............no luck here either.

[medicsgirl]

there are 6 million people in south florida without power. beehive may be affected by this. i am trouble with signing on to site also.

[exchange.]

maybe cheri has taken the site offline to 'clean' the database of all the people she does not like.
we all know cheri comes up with any excuse, maybe her cat needs feeding so she will not be able to process mail for the next week or so

she must be starting to feel the heat by now

many sites are now posting that beehvemail is a scam

[Mandela34]

Well this is where I first posted problems back in May 05' about Beehive because I was told Cheri hung out in here. Well it seems I have the same problems as I did back in May but I am not going to go through the BS to get my account my account back. It is never the fault of Cheri and it simply isn't worth the hassle this time.

All I can say is, there are other program owners out there that deserve a heck of member like myself.

This was just brought to my attention from a referral group I belong to. One Lady posted that she is sick waiting for payment so she removed herself from Beehive. It dawned on me that I hadn't received any email from Beehive so I went to log into the site to see what the problem was and ALL my login information/email registration etc is not recognized by Beehive. I guess I have been deleted for some unknown reason. WHO CARES!! I am so sick of her BS it is not even worth my time to try and figure out why I am not longer in the data base. This is exactly what happened in May 05. The referral group I belong to will not even allow you to post Beehive as a program in there for referrals because of her crappy attitude and past dealings with her. Pretty Good eh?

I have however, tried to click on the Beehive Forum links and they will not load for me. It says it has loaded but I have a blank window to look at. I am just curious to see if my member name is listed in a deleted members list.

I am seriously thinking of reporting her to the IC3 just to help out the other members recover their money.

I cannot say that I am surprised because I wondered how long it would take for her to go down in flames with the way she treats her members. It's just a shame it took this long and it has come to what it has.

One thing I am glad for, which might surprise alot of folks is, she was in the running for an administrator position on this very site back in May 05. I don't know if she ever got the position or if she did and was removed. But can you imagine?

One last thing, she took my money back in May 05, plus some. That put me in the negative. Ever since I had been trying to bring myself up to a positive amount, which I hadn't checked it lately but I have a suspicion that I was probably due for payout after all this time and that is why mysteriously disappeared from the database. I

If anyone gets the chance to get into the Beehivemail Forum, can you check the username Mandela34 for me and let me know if I am on her deleted list and why?

Chin UP!! There are alot better programs out there who have excellent Webmasters who truly care about their members. I have only a handful of them who have been around for quite awhile who I love and respect for the great job they do.

[bellestraker]

Mandela34..

I would say that makes at least two of us lol.

It may be just a glitch or server problems but I am also unable to log into either the beehive site or to the forum.

Actually they do not even load so who knows. A complete shutdown would not surprise me but then neither would my ip being blocked.

I imagine time will tell but you are so right..It really is NOT worth anyones time or effort.

Good luck

Belle

[referyou]

Mandela34..

I would say that makes at least two of us lol.

It may be just a glitch or server problems but I am also unable to log into either the beehive site or to the forum.

Actually they do not even load so who knows. A complete shutdown would not surprise me but then neither would my ip being blocked.

I imagine time will tell but you are so right..It really is NOT worth anyones time or effort.

Good luck

Belle

I am not a member of this site and went to see if I could view the forum. The site gives me a page not displayed.

Maybe she is blocking all IPs :hehe:

[bellestraker]

I am not a member of this site and went to see if I could view the forum. The site gives me a page not displayed.

Maybe she is blocking all IPs :hehe:



Thanks for checking..It may be just a server problem but with everything that has gone on lately...Not much would surprise me.


Mandela34
I will try to check again later as well and post if your name is there.You may not have been deleted but with the way things are I dont blame you for thinking of that first.

At least you can rest assured that Cheri is not going to popup as admin here..She is banned..

But then ya never "really" know where,when or what she may do.lol

Belle

[deerladie]

If anyone knows where rosegold hangs out I'll bet she knows:hehe:
I haven't been able to get into anything today either including signupbuzz.



edited 'cause I forgot to put the f in if when i orginally posted...:\

[bellestraker]

I anyone knows where rosegold hangs out I'll bet she knows:hehe:
I haven't been able to get into anything today either including signupbuzz.




I was going to try the buzz but forgot...

At this stage it is anybodys guess what Cheri is up to but I think you may be right...Rose will be probably be close behind...

Seems like we will just have to wait out the next chapter of the freebiequeen's comic tragedy..

Belle

[Mandela34]

Thanks Belle for checking the site. I did a search on Beehive and tried to click on different links that would bring me to that site and none of them worked.

And Yes I would appreciate it very much, if you see my name to let me know. Sure would be nice to know how much she owed me too, so that I submit a claim against her on the IC3 site. If I am deleted there is no way to find that out but if it is just a server problem perhaps I can somehow access my account. :not holding my breath::alien:

Her name is on my AOL Budlist and I used to see it pop up a few times a day. Now I never see it. ( freebiesite )

I am glad Boycott banned her from their site. This was her favorite hangout too.

I really hope she does make a different name and pops up in here, it might do her some good to read what people are saying.

Mandy

[bellestraker]

Thanks Belle for checking the site. I did a search on Beehive and tried to click on different links that would bring me to that site and none of them worked.

And Yes I would appreciate it very much, if you see my name to let me know. Sure would be nice to know how much she owed me too, so that I submit a claim against her on the IC3 site. If I am deleted there is no way to find that out but if it is just a server problem perhaps I can somehow access my account. :not holding my breath::alien:

Her name is on my AOL Budlist and I used to see it pop up a few times a day. Now I never see it. ( freebiesite )

I am glad Boycott banned her from their site. This was her favorite hangout too.

I really hope she does make a different name and pops up in here, it might do her some good to read what people are saying.

Mandy



I am still unable to access the site so not sure what is happening but will keep trying.

The only way to find out what you are owed will be if the site reappears and you are able to log in...

btw..Cheri still can ( and does) read here frequently so she has not missed anything being said but still claims it's "all lies".:laugh:.

Even if the site comes back up this time I do not have much hope that it will remain active.. but then Cheri has surprised me before so ..?? .( except her surprises were usually not "good" ones.

Good luck

Belle

[Josh]

I think the site is back up, for those of you wanted to read on the forum and/or check your account.

[exchange.]

beehive site went offline just a few hours after i made a post
rather convenient i think
cheri has rebanned me again :)

well what can i say about cheri?
if you cant think of anything nice then say ..............

[bellestraker]

I am still able to get in to both the site and the forum...It seems like it may be a server problem.

I also got a few emails from the site today ( none yesterday) but as I said earlier...who knows with Cheri...

Belle

ETA.
Mandela 34
I could not find any deleted member list but asked if anyone else knew of one.
However you should be able to get in now ( unless she has blocked your ip)

Belle

ETA#2

Cheri did pay Winston today ( who had waited 53 days) but did not pay him the 3% as per her tos...
However...she did pay so hopefully she will get the rest of those over 30 days paid as well.

[pietro]

I have to post this here where it can't be deleted.

brylyn1979 wrote:

My earnings are over $6 by now and haven't been paid yet. 30 days are almost over.

And I ain't gonna do stupid signups.


actually I see NO reason to pay you...you lied about this program, you made a false complaint...you are so happy I am boycotted..to quote you.."yay">>

I did pay winston because he was in the queue and I simply masspaid, frankly I really didn't even realize I was paying him, I paid out over $300 so I wasn't really looking at each account, however, I have no intention of paying you, unless you want to remove your false complaint.

want to play fair?? You know that I never said I would only pay those who do signups, in fact the week I made that "special" offer, I also did a paypal and a moneybookers masspay, 2 masspays....however, you chose to lie..

so until you remove that lie why should I pay you?? you already boycotted me, I dont want you in my program, you lied about me and submitted a FALSE complaint

Found here (http://www.beehivemail.com/pages/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=9227#9227) for the time being.

A while back I read that Cheri had "suggested" that someone blackmail another program owner by threatening to go public over a problem with a check unless the other person was paid all she was owed by the program owner in question. Many people refused to believe this but the above quote shows that she is not above blackmail herself so why wouldn't she "urge" others to do the same?

[bellestraker]

I have to post this here where it can't be deleted.



Found here (http://www.beehivemail.com/pages/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=9227#9227) for the time being.

A while back I read that Cheri had "suggested" that someone blackmail another program owner by threatening to go public over a problem with a check unless the other person was paid all she was owed by the program owner in question. Many people refused to believe this but the above quote shows that she is not above blackmail herself so why wouldn't she "urge" others to do the same?




Yes she did advise the person to not accept the amount of the check which was returned ( and immediately replaced by the site) and told her to threaten them into paying up to that day. ( thereby cutting in front of others who were also waiting) or she would go public.

Cheri admitted that but somehow never saw anything wrong in it...I guess that move should have given many of us a heads up and I am still not sure why it didnt.

Cheri has always been erratic but for a long time many of us thought that behind it all was a person who really believed in fair play and doing the right thing...The last few months have shown how wrong that is.

I have thought I couldn't be further shocked by anything else she did but she finds a way to outdo hereself almost daily.

She really seems to believe that she can "change" anything she does by simply saying.."Its a lie" and everyone is supposed to settle for that.

The only problem is that brylyn did NOT lie..Cheri did...

I think that you were right in assuming her post may disappear...The beehive forum has become almost magical with disappearing ( and reappearing) posts a regular part of the schedule.

Good luck

Belle

[brylyn1979]

True. I didn't lie, Cheri did. I'll never say I didn't lie, just to get paid. That way I could've just do some signups and leave. SHe has to pay me, no matter what I said and how she feels about it. I reached payout already before this sh*t started to happen, so I earned it fair and square.

Also, I'm sure that if Cheri had realized she was paying winston as well, she wouldn't have paid him, because he told 'lies' as well, according to her, so he would've been on the 'do not pay'-list just like me and yet he was paid, but only because she didn't realise it.

[lil crusader]

This has turned into something unbelievably sad. Honest to God, I never dreamed I'd see the day when Cheri would stoop this incredibly low.

I guess I gave her way too much credit.

IMO, this forum could throw out every single one of the complaints made against Beehive over the past 10 months because that single post of hers on her own forum to me is more than enough justification for a boycott.

No matter how much we disagreed about other things, I always thought she seemed like a good PO. Evidently that was all for show because a good PO would never try to blackmail a member. And I don't care how loud her cheerleaders rah-rah for her -- what she's doing to brylyn is blackmail, pure and simple!

I've still got some pretty nasty PMs that she's sent me here while she still could - and the worst one had "You Sicken Me" as its subject line.

Since I'm sure she still reads here, all I can say to that is: Cheri -- DITTO!

[Rosegold]

If anyone knows where rosegold hangs out I'll bet she knows:hehe:
I haven't been able to get into anything today either including signupbuzz.



edited 'cause I forgot to put the f in if when i orginally posted...:\

Take another guess....I'm hanging out=====?????;)

[exchange.]

beehive may be down in a few days when i go to a friends house and post again!

the site always seems to go offline within a few hours of me posting!

as her latest ban says 'if at first you dont succeed'

[bluedahlia]

IMO, this forum could throw out every single one of the complaints made against Beehive over the past 10 months because that single post of hers on her own forum to me is more than enough justification for a boycott.



Do you have the link Lil.........I couldn't find your post on that forum, unless, of course, it was deleted. That has been known to happen.

[lil crusader]

Do you have the link Lil.........I couldn't find your post on that forum, unless, of course, it was deleted. That has been known to happen.

I was talking about Cheri's own post which was reprinted in post #72 on p. 5 of this thread BD.

She's since made several other posts basically saying the same thing -- she's accusing one member of lying in the complaint she filed here and refuses to pay her unless she retracts her complaint.

[bluedahlia]

I was talking about Cheri's own post which was reprinted in post #72 on p. 5 of this thread BD.

She's since made several other posts basically saying the same thing -- she's accusing one member of lying in the complaint she filed here and refuses to pay her unless she retracts her complaint.

Thank you for clearing that up. Interesting reading.......that's for sure.

[Mandela34]

Well Well Well, yesterday, Sunday, Feb 12, Freebiesite showed up on my aol bud list. Her stats said that she had been online for 1 day ? hours.

Today as I am reading these posts and clicked on a link that would take me to the Beehive forum-it worked!!

At the top of the Beehive forum page it says this:

** Due to glitch some newer members cant log in, rather than keep adding by hand I have set site so that you can post as a guest...I am waiting for update to this script.thanks..cheri** New 8/04 Look here to see those who are deleted/suspended
http://www.beehivemail.com/pages/hall_of_shame.php

People who are deleted for inactivity will be posted in the faq's
***************************

I clicked on the hall of shame and looked for my name, and did the convienant search for my name and came up with nothing. The later part of that message says check the FAQ for inactivity deletions. I cannot find a FAQ.

I went into the beehive site and read all the "questions" area and there was no link there. I have been over the beehive forum and did searches on my name and such and cannot find an area where deleted members would be posted for inactivity.

Here is what shocks me the most. At the top of the Beehive forum page it states that members of Beehive don't need to sign into the forum-it is automatic. And yes it showed me signed into the forum.

I tried to sign into the beehive site once again and no go! Typed my email in again, I'm still not in the data base.

Isn't it funny how she can disappear or the site can go down but if you don't sign in at least every 14 days you are gone but "where did you go?" :baaa:

[Mandela34]

Update: I went to post in the Beehive forum and when I submitted it told me that--that username is already registered. After that I was no longer logged on. There is no place to re-log on. I tried a few other things and typed my post again and there is no getting in. I think they have blocked me now that I have tried to post a topic.

Perhaps all new posts are blocked. Who knows.

[bellestraker]

Update: I went to post in the Beehive forum and when I submitted it told me that--that username is already registered. After that I was no longer logged on. There is no place to re-log on. I tried a few other things and typed my post again and there is no getting in. I think they have blocked me now that I have tried to post a topic.

Perhaps all new posts are blocked. Who knows.


I was just able to post at bhf under my registered id so I decided to log out and try as a guest.

I could not see an actual log in but there is a place to register. As I did not want to set up another account I tried using the quote from another post and was able to post that way..

If you did not want to actually use the quote you could just erase it and post that way..:)

What a mess...Does she really think all this is helping her cause.

Good luck

Belle
btw..I believe the message about some not being able to log in has been there for some time although I am not sure whether it has been afflicted with the "here today/gone tommorrow" problem which many posts have been stricken with so it may not have been there earlier.

[trulyfair]

Because of the glitch in the BeeHive forum script, all one has to do to post is click on the "Post Reply" or "Post New Topic" button. There is no need to register (you can't, LOL) but you do have to add a username and email address so the post is accepted.

The glitch has been in the forum since at least July/August last year. :baaa:

[Mandela34]

Yeah, I know that when you click "register" it says, we are not accepting any new registrations.

I'm just confused as to why I was logged in at one point and the next point I was not and could not do anything to log in.

I tried the new post thing and couldn't get it to work when I typed in "guest" or my username "mandela34".

Now I added an x to my username and it went through. So I guess it comes down to making new names that are not registered.

It's not good!! But like in one post, a moderator was keeping track of IP's. And, there are some pretty harsh usernames and posts and the moderator is catching them and comparing IP's to see if it's coming from the same person.

Sounds like a trap or game. Match those IP's with the members of Beehive and, You don't get paid! That's why she is lurking around?

The member list seems to be going down fast. Last checked she was down to 3,000 something. Her screename on AOL has been online for almost 3 days.

Anyway, hopefully someone will tell me where the deleted member list is for inactivity.

[brylyn1979]

Queen Bee posted this today:

i am tired of all the lies, complaining and name calling
if this does not stop i will close the forum

i will also go through the member list and remove all liars and complainers

i do not have time to deal with all this agro

members will be paid faster after i get rid of all the troublemakers

if the rest are not happy about this then i will just close this site and start another with the new scripts i have just bought

i will no longer waste money on this site if everyong keeps lieing and complaining

you only have yourself to blame!

This was my response:

No you are the one to blame Cheri. You're just lousy at PR and treating your members and advertisers. Why else would so many have complaints if you were so good to both parties.

If you want to close the site, fine. But everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, including myself, should be paid. If not, you are nothing but a scammer and even the faithful members won't come to your new site, if that ever happens.

You'd better pay everyone before closing this site. I've supported you for 5 months to get where I am now and I've been complaining for less than a month. And all my complaints were valid, even though you say otherwise. In your opinion you can't do anything wrong. Think again, you did a lot of things wrong and many of us agree with me.

Just admit your failures. But you're too chicken to do that.

Seems like she wants to get without paying anyone, at least not the people who spoke out in her disadvantage. What bull****. She's acting like a stupid a**.

UPDATE:

Apparently Cheri wasn't the one who posted that post, but someone who posted with the same username as Cheri. Cheri even said she had proof because of matching IP's, so I don't think she's lying about this.

[bellestraker]

I've been pretty outspoken against Cheri but no one can condone using another persons name to post anything...particularily anything which is meant to create more problems.

An admin email was sent out this morning which ..if there is any chance of beehive getting it together hopefully will help to pave the way.

I guess we will have to wait and see what is done and whether brylyn and others are paid but at least it is a first step.Its just unfortunate that the bogus post ( which was NOT from Cheri) came out at the same time.

Have a good one

Belle

[brylyn1979]

Good news: I got paid my full balance of $6.15.

I think this shows that Cheri is trying to get her program on the road again.

I wish her all the luck with that. I won't be around to see it, because I signed out already. Which I was already planning to do before the problems started and escalated. I was just gonna wait until I would get paid and then leave the site. So I did.

[Josh]

Glad to hear that the end of your membership was a happy note. :) Thank you for letting us know the conclusion of the situation. :)

Good news: I got paid my full balance of $6.15.

I think this shows that Cheri is trying to get her program on the road again.

I wish her all the luck with that. I won't be around to see it, because I signed out already. Which I was already planning to do before the problems started and escalated. I was just gonna wait until I would get paid and then leave the site. So I did.

[Mandela34]

I've been pretty outspoken against


Have a good one

Belle


Yes you are and I enjoy reading your posts. I get a chuckle out of them. I am one of those people who has a major problem with people taking advantage of myself and others and I do whatever I can to help get justice in a proper manner. I always say, play by their rules, because their own rules will destroy them.

Your name reminds me of the ding ding ding at the end of a boxing round too...ding ding ding the Belle has rung and the round is over--AND THE WINNER IS.....LOL

[bellestraker]

Yes you are and I enjoy reading your posts. I get a chuckle out of them. I am one of those people who has a major problem with people taking advantage of myself and others and I do whatever I can to help get justice in a proper manner. I always say, play by their rules, because their own rules will destroy them.

Your name reminds me of the ding ding ding at the end of a boxing round too...ding ding ding the Belle has rung and the round is over--AND THE WINNER IS.....LOL



lol

I used to get worse than "ding ding" in school. Kids are very creative lol.
I'm glad you are able to post at bh again and it appears things are settling down.

Take care

Belle

[lil crusader]

Good news: I got paid my full balance of $6.15.

I think this shows that Cheri is trying to get her program on the road again.

I wish her all the luck with that. I won't be around to see it, because I signed out already. Which I was already planning to do before the problems started and escalated. I was just gonna wait until I would get paid and then leave the site. So I did.

Congrats brylyn - it's great that things finally went your way (and kudos to you for not giving in to blackmail just for a few dollars!)

[cajunlady]

That must have been some admin message she sent out. But then, that is typical of Cherie, coming out swinging, and when too many swing back, she takes the gloves off and becomes all apologetic, still not having a clue why everyone was upset.

I'm glad that brylyn and Winston got paid at least though.