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buchanan17
2nd October 2002, 17:00
This is a scam - just like cashread etc:

Terms mean no one gets apid, or else suddenly 100 peopke want a $350 payment!!

Terms:

Members may earn by receiving paid-emails and visiting the advertiser websites after they have entered their member ID in the area on the website provided by jays-paidmail.com. Members may earn by referring new members to the jays-paidmail.com program. A Flat rate BONUS paid upon referral reaching a $350.00 Account Balance. Members will earn
$10 for each direct referral, and .20%
$5 for each 2nd level direct referral,
$4 for each 3rd level direct referral,
$3 for each 4th level direct referral,
$2 for each 5th level direct referral and
$1 for each 6th level direct referral. Members will be paid via Paypal/check. jays-paidmail.com will pay members when their balance reaches $350 and they request payment. Payments will be made within 30 days or a reasonable time after.
Check Processing Fee - $5.

JaysPaidMail
2nd October 2002, 18:42
we could cash Jays-Paid out like it wasn't nothing ~

as a Tax write off for http://www.unitedboxbrokers.com

what are you ? Some Exoert ~LMAO



What business do you own listed with the B.B.B
like we do ......

We've already paid 2300+ out random payments which I'm sure is more then any of your so called approved programs here have paid out and can provide screens shots to prove it .......

Lets see there's ~

So stick that in your Chaw and Chew it ~

SherryGirl
2nd October 2002, 18:43
buchanan17 are you or have you ever been a member of Jays-Paid??

I don't see how you can compare our Company to another Company if you have never had a bad experience with them.

We have tons of Contests going and Random Payouts. I think you were a little bit hasty in your comments.

JaysPaidMail
2nd October 2002, 19:05
Originally posted by JaysPaidMail
we could cash Jays-Paid out like it wasn't nothing ~

as a Tax write off for http://www.unitedboxbrokers.com

what are you ? Some Exoert ~LMAO



What business do you own listed with the B.B.B
like we do ......

We've already paid 2300+ out random payments which I'm sure is more then any of your so called approved programs here have paid out and can provide screens shots to prove it .......

Lets see there's ~

So stick that in your Chaw and Chew it ~


That 2300+ was for the Month of September ~ I challenge any of your approved sites to prove they paid out that much to members in the September .....

lucyfer
3rd October 2002, 07:34
jays is one of the best out there-- honest, hard working, constant email (and not just for other gptr sites) always there when you need him, i could go on and on!!!!!!!!! i belong to all 3 of his sites, and will sign up for any others he starts!!

you need to do a bit more research before you decide what is a scam---because you obviously know NOTHING about jay and sherry!!!!!

Poncer
3rd October 2002, 09:16
He said already in past posts that he is not even a member. He can't post these things because he does not know anything about Jay and his programs.

buchanan17
3rd October 2002, 13:36
I rad the terms before I join. $350 payout and only opaying for referrals when they cash out is identical to cashread and dollarslove. They are scams - so any sensible person reading tyhe terms will realise that Jays is set uyp that way.

Random payouts? How does that work - I ant to know when payout will eb and it never will be at $350 - you can't afford it!

And i read abot sendiong loads of emails - so does cashread - they boasted to me that they cash out $10000 a month from their two programs. nothing can be left as they offer 2 cents for a search taht will return to them an average of 0.5 cents - I know what searches are worth. I see comments here that Jays is the same sending huge amounts of paid email - how are these covered in teh current market?

Someone said they earnt $2 in one day - there is not the money out there to pay that! they haven't arnt it until you pay them.

If youa re honest you would not have a payout of $350 and the referral structure you have. If you ARE honest you would lower the payout to $20 so you actually pay people properly rather than going throught he motions by making random payouts! IF you are making half what cashread make, you can quite easily keep random payouts up to give the imrpession of honesty.

You may of course be fully honest, in which case you wil go bust when whole groups of people hit $350 and trigger referral bonuses and avalanche payouts.

So, sorry - your are honest and a bit dumb 9and wouldn't be the first program owner), or you are dishonest!

buchanan17
3rd October 2002, 13:39
Lucyfer

questions:

1) has he paid you?
2) What date do you think you'll get to $350?
3) How do you know he'll pay?
4) Do you really understand the REAL value of the clicks you are making in his programs?

cashread/dollarslove owner is making $10,000 a month out of the thousands of gullible members he has. jays is set up EXACTLY the same - check the terms! What is someone who actually reads the terms supposed to think?

oh, and cashread owner proclaims his program is not a scam, yet this forum says it should be boycotted - what proof is there that jays should not be boycotted too?

buchanan17
3rd October 2002, 13:42
jay - you are a paid to read email site, not a lotto site - why don't you have a proper realistic payout level and forget the random stuff - then I and many other doubting thomaes would join and promote- ia m not touching you while your terms are as they are!

Andrew

Poncer
3rd October 2002, 21:46
I got paid by the random payout. It is something that we get from all the clicking and reading the e-mails for his site. Jay is not like other owners. Here is a list of things he have done to help others.

1.Random payments

2.Help others out who needs helping

3.Helped all the Green Hurricane members out that not all GPTR members will with a $5 and something click for them to join up Jays.

4.I notice he gave extra credit at times someone reported him about a bug.

5.He reinstate people's accounts when he did not delete them, or they did not unsubscribed.

6.Better support program where he, Sherry, me or some others help his members out with their questions. You don't get that with CashRead.

7.Help other webmasters out when they have a problem.

8.He has contests where he does pay.

9.All paid mail are not searches like CashRead sends out. 99% are paid e-mails, and 1% are only searches. Does not overkill on paid searches.

10.Alert others about alerts and all that about other programs that are scams, and so forth.

11.Lost of data when his server host went down. But, he made that up with his members by having .50cents paid mails and all that. Sometimes we wound up getting a little more than what we lost.


Now, you know what Jay does. He is honest. When there is a problem, he sends out a paid ad himself to a post on his forum where he explained the problems his site had, like lost of data, server going down or something like that, and it is usually coming out of his own pockets to inform us.

Jurek
4th October 2002, 00:11
I don't think you should boycott a program because it has a high minimum payout. I heard a lot of good things about Jay. So far I didn't see any complains on any forum about him or his programs. You can't say that program is a scam if there are no complains. If you don't like the program - don't join. I'm NOT a member of Jays-paidmail because of high min. payout but this dosn't mean that I think Jays-paid is a scam.

Thanx

BTW I would never join any program with min. payout of more than $15.

venomx
4th October 2002, 00:36
I am sorry I have been randomly paid by Jay 2 times. I have been paid by buchanan17's site ZERO times!!!! Jay has $350 payout but random payings, buchanan17 has $1 minimum but sends $0.001 links and stuff. buchanan17 why dont YOU start paying 1 cent a link and pay more members?

Jurek
4th October 2002, 01:30
Buchanan17 owns a program???
Let me know which one. I hope I'm not a member.

Thanks

ppprk
4th October 2002, 05:35
I have been paid by buchanan17's site 7 times($15.2300 ) :D
I have been randomly paid by Jay once($5)


Originally posted by venomx
I am sorry I have been randomly paid by Jay 2 times. I have been paid by buchanan17's site ZERO times!!!! Jay has $350 payout but random payings, buchanan17 has $1 minimum but sends $0.001 links and stuff. buchanan17 why dont YOU start paying 1 cent a link and pay more members?

lucyfer
4th October 2002, 06:24
buchanan17-----

in answer to your question-- YES he is honest

i have stated my opinion, i stand by it

Ravenn
7th October 2002, 14:07
Even if i never reach payout from jay i dont care i have so much fun being a member i forget all about the money ... when i get his mails i cant wait to click on the links and i always read his forums... I mean hes paid lots of members out randomly so whenever someone does reach the 350 dollar payout I'm positive jay will pay them!

All i gotta say is... JAY ROCKS!!!!!

SherryGirl
7th October 2002, 15:28
Originally posted by Jurek
Buchanan17 owns a program???
Let me know which one. I hope I'm not a member.

Thanks

How long have you been a member of buchananan17's site and how liong have you been a member of Jay's Paid?

JaysPaidMail
7th October 2002, 16:16
Originally posted by ppprk
I have been paid by buchanan17's site 7 times($15.2300 ) :D
I have been randomly paid by Jay once($5)




I just seem this ~

I thought you were paid twice maybe I was wrong :(

ppprk
8th October 2002, 01:48
You are not wrong
I got my 2nd payemnt 2 days ago :D

sore_fingers
9th October 2002, 02:44
Comparing Jay to Cashread is not fair, because Cashread does not credit downline earnings until they themselves cash out. Yes Jays payout may be very high, but in under 4 months with no downline and not being the most active member by any means, I have still earned about $20 and am very close to being able to get a gold membership. Maybe with no downline I'll never hit the 350, but there is advertising available that the average member can earn pretty quickly.

halfiepint
9th October 2002, 04:48
Now, if Jay's paid email were really a scam and should be boycotted... then why is there a link to gptboycott.com on his site??? hmmmm....

shaykedelik
9th October 2002, 14:11
as i said... why don't you try to join... you might even like it! I EVEN GOT OVER A DOLLAR in just one email! i only got a few referals but i saw an amount in the referals earnings part so i guess you do get even a small amount. even if was just a typo, with the links you get each day, you can still easily cash out even without referals! thats one of the things that makes his site great!
who cares about whats written there? don't you think you should see what his members are actually saying rather than whats written on his site? as i've seen, almost all the posts this forum got are all in defense of jay and not against him. see? his members love him! i'm a member of all 3 of his programs and its great! he's one of my 2 fave webmasters!

shaykedelik
9th October 2002, 14:36
oh yeah... since you like comparing jay to cashread, here's something... jay likes to keep his "click-level" (or whatever you call it) up so the advertiser gets what he paid for! i've been a member since feb. i think and had friends join under me around that same time. my friends told me that they never even opened a single email cuz they've been too busy but they still get emails and can still log in (they tried to log in just yesterday after 10months!)... meaning they're still members. how about the advertisers who paid for a 5cent email to all members? how many are actually clicking?
at least jay takes care of his advertisers the same way he takes care of his members!
there is no way you can ever compare jay to cashread! you're probably just jealous or are a good friend of cosmicwealth or something!
i really hope your foot tastes so good right now as i really hope its stuck in your mouth! members of jay's love him and will do what we can to defend him from someone who doesn't even know him.

SherryGirl
9th October 2002, 15:19
WOW

wtg shaykedelik Thanks for telling it like it is!!

buchanan17
9th October 2002, 16:29
we don't send 0.1 cent links any more- and they were only member redemptions. Minimum 0.25 cents - and that is all searches for example are worth (cashread "pay" 2 cents for aseacrh = they can't afford to pay the members). the difference between EFM and many programs is that we intend to pay everyone - in that case, sacrifices are made as paid emails are worth very little to the advertiser these days

How can anyone have been paid $350 by Jays when the referral income obnly kicks in at cash out?

people have rightly called cashread a scam - when there is no proof that they won't ever pay - so how come jays is different when his sert up is exactly the same? He pays' randomly (which probably means he'l never have to pay referral bonuses or sig up bonuses, so referring counts for nothing - or have I missed something). I am afriad I stil have serious doubts about any program with such high payouts as if a number of people do cash out together, the money is just ot there (witness c ashread showing me paypal payments to them of $10,000 a month and stil claiming that money is put aside for the members - NOT!!)

At least jay has seen that a $5 payout program is a little less contentious - i;ve joined it and I wish him luck.

halfiepint
9th October 2002, 17:17
buchanan17, what IS your program? I still haven't figured that out...

as for .25 cent emails and .01 cent emails... I dropped most of my GPT programs for that very reason. 1/2 of a cent isn't even worth my time, let alone 1/4 or 1/10!!! Jay's is not only my favorite, he's about the ONLY program I have left, besides sendmoreinfo, tigerclick, and dustygold. He rocks, period. So go somewhere else if you don't like him.

Rob
9th October 2002, 17:25
I figure that if random payouts are being done, then as long as they truly are random, and no-one is deliberately excluded, that is fine... just a bonus of the program.

However the set-up of the website with the original $350.00 payout is ridiculous and set up to benefit the owner and not the member.

Rob

SherryGirl
9th October 2002, 22:46
buchanan17 I just got done reading your last post and I just had to sit down and giggle to myself.

It just did not make sense to me that one day you are calling us a SCAM, and the next day you go ahead and sign up with one of our programs.

If you believe us to be untrustworthy and scammers and publicly annouce that, WHY in the world would you join up with one of our programs.

Please respond to this because I am dying to hear your answer!

lucyfer
10th October 2002, 00:40
oh man this oughta be good!

all this spouting off and then you go JOIN???

and we're supposed to believe that you make any sense?????

shaykedelik
11th October 2002, 12:23
i guess this is just his way of saying that he's not really against jay... just the $350 payout. and hopefully an apology of some sort for calling jay a scam!

JaysPaidMail
11th October 2002, 21:12
Originally posted by shaykedelik
i guess this is just his way of saying that he's not really against jay... just the $350 payout. and hopefully an apology of some sort for calling jay a scam!

as a matter of fact I suppose I *buchanan17* an apology as I was upset when I read that and responded rather Hot headed here myself .......

idyikiter
14th October 2002, 02:42
I cant believe this guy saying that Jays is a scam. Jay & Sherrys programs are awesome. All 4 of them.

Ive been a Jays Gold member for about 4 months, and Ive got $52.something in my account, plus I've redeemed for a $30 ad. I could have $80 something~~in 4 months!
Most programs I'm in that I joined around the same time~~with those 1/4 of a cent links, and $5 payout, ~~~I'm not even to a dollar yet! How worthless is that?

Anyway~~~scams are those programs that dont pay anything out, dont answer emails and delete legit members accounts~~~they arent just programs with high payouts.

venomx
14th October 2002, 02:47
Like cosmicwealth??

idyikiter
14th October 2002, 04:42
Originally posted by venomx
Like cosmicwealth??

Exactly!!!!

Freeme
15th October 2002, 18:39
buchannan17 you have obviously contradicted yourself by signing up with FancyCash. You started off by saying that Jay and Sherry were scams. Obviously, you just didnt like the 350 payout.

What is the real problem? You wouldnt want somebody calling your gptr a scam when you have paid your piddly $1 to one of your members after months of work. I, myself, would prefer to see that same months of work earn $350.

However, as I am clicking on these 2c, 3, 5c, and even 8c links, I have also received a random payout, (which I earned back into my account within 3-4 days), redeemed for ads and still have plenty of money in my account to redeem for other things. Jay also used to have an early payout option at around $80 but that had to be discontinued because of cheaters. They give a free goldmembership and paid ads randomly every month just for perusing the forum.

In addition, every change or addition to the site has been submitted to their members for comments. They listen to their members and try to make the program fit what "WE" , the actual members, want. As you can see from the postings here, they have a loyal group because they are honest and treat people right. We have made an informed decision, and I, like many of their other members, are members of all 4 of their sites.

I ask you, do you have that kind of loyalty in your membership? Will your members do the searches that they hate just because you asked them too? Will they read the nonpaid mails just because it came from you? Do your members praise you when there is a problem on the site?

I seriously doubt it. Otherwise, your members would be here defending you and you would have told us what the name of your site is by now. It seems that you are not very proud of what you have created.

kglaser
15th October 2002, 18:49
buchanan17, is your program EmailsForMoney?

sunsun2k
16th October 2002, 15:56
High payout doesn't mean a scam but an effective approach!

JayPaidmail has over 18000 active members which is the most popular among all others PTR program I have ever seen!

You can earn 10 cents - 200 cents ($2) daily with plenty of cash emails and those cash email are NOT 'paid to search' . They do receive hundreds of advertising daily !

just thinking
you earn 10 - 200 cents daily for a $350 payout program
you earn 1 - 20 cents daily for a $35 payout program
you earn 0.1 - 2 cents daily for a $3 payout program
you earn 0.01- 0.2 cents daily for no minimum payout

All use the same time to payout, but you receive much more for a high payout program. Thats effective !

I don't think high payout program is a scam !

leewright
3rd November 2002, 15:58
buchanan17 you have no idea what you are talking about

I am a member of all 5 of jay and sherry sites and have never had anything to complain about NO i havent been paid out yet but who cares
I have over 75 dollars on jays site after just 4 months or less and have always recieved prompt help and answers from them when ever i have run into trouble they dont lie they give it to us straight they always let us know whats going on and so what if it take a few more months to get payouts at least it will be worth getting a payout from them what can you spend a measly dollar on these days not much at least 350 dollars will help thigns out and will be worth working for so until you have tried it dont knock it you need to keep your mouth shut about things you know nothing about Just reading the terms tells you nothing about the people who run the site or about the site itself or the family atmosphere that we all get when reading the forums we all help each other out which is obviously more than i can say for most sites

most of them are only in it for what they can make out of it not what they can help their members make

so bite that one

Spudette36
3rd November 2002, 16:09
buchanan17 what planet do you come from??? Do you think that over 18 000 people are all suckers??? Because that is the membership of just one of Jay and Sherry's sites and is the one in question.Mmmmm let me think if I were an advertiser where would I get maximum exposure???? From a site with 2000-3000 members or one with 18 000+

I have been with jays for about 3 months now and am doing quite nicely thankyou....I decided straight off to go with a gold membership and with the downline I am building through random refferals I will make my $350 payout. jay and Sherry offer a good service on all their sites and ALWAYS respond as soon as they can to any problems u email them with.

Besides most of us who join PTR aren't in it for the BIG BUCKS!!

What makes the whole thing laughable is buchanan17 has now gone and joined one of Jay and Sherry's sites You really do need to get a haircut, get a real job, get a life and GET OVER IT!!!!

djsamatt
3rd November 2002, 17:37
Update: 21,113 members and proud to be one of them!!

Rob
3rd November 2002, 19:49
Hi,

Not to criticise anyone's opinions here, just pointing out the quoted message below doesn't quite work out.

I am saying to you, where does the money come from? I don't believe anybody is rich or generous enough to pay all of this out of their own pocket just because the members are loyal.

Rob

Originally posted by sunsun2k
High payout doesn't mean a scam but an effective approach!

JayPaidmail has over 18000 active members which is the most popular among all others PTR program I have ever seen!

You can earn 10 cents - 200 cents ($2) daily with plenty of cash emails and those cash email are NOT 'paid to search' . They do receive hundreds of advertising daily !

just thinking
you earn 10 - 200 cents daily for a $350 payout program
you earn 1 - 20 cents daily for a $35 payout program
you earn 0.1 - 2 cents daily for a $3 payout program
you earn 0.01- 0.2 cents daily for no minimum payout

All use the same time to payout, but you receive much more for a high payout program. Thats effective !

I don't think high payout program is a scam !

Poncer
4th November 2002, 01:04
Rob, Jay gets alot of advertisers from all over the Internet paying him money to advertise with him, and they are willing to spend alot of money to advertise with him as well because of the highrate of click throughs.

venomx
4th November 2002, 01:30
Trust me Jay has shown me his paypal account. He has the money to cover all members. :P

venomx
4th November 2002, 01:31
Jay is the ONLY webmaster that I know of that actually gets peopels phone numbers and calls them up to discuss them advertising with his sites.

djsamatt
4th November 2002, 01:48
Originally posted by venomx
Jay is the ONLY webmaster that I know of that actually gets peopels phone numbers and calls them up to discuss them advertising with his sites.


And also gives out his own phone number for members and advertizer to call with questions

shaykedelik
4th November 2002, 12:53
are we still posting here? i thought this was a closed topic!
anyway, i agree with poncer here! jay does have a way of getting advertisers kuz they know that their ads will be seen!

cashjob
4th November 2002, 19:57
One thing that baffles me is that some of the same people that i see posting praising jays all over the place are the same ones condeming new high payout programs that show up the od time, without seeing if they would be honest or not.

I am also stil wondering that if Jays has the money to back payouts why does he not lower the payout and pay his members what they have earned instead of 5 bucks here and there to keep em happy?????

Not bashing him, don't get me wrong here, i am sure he's as honest as all you say he is. I am just thouroughly baffled by the behavior of some of his members.



one post: "condemn http://wepayoutat200bucks.com for the payout is way to high, therefore it MUST be a scam"

Another post: "praise jays for he payed me $5 from my balance of $80....What a great and honorable guy he is"



Again, do not get me wrong because i dont even know the guy, and i wil admit that i am not a member of his program...and never wil be with such a high payout. I am not attacking his program, but some of you just baffle the heck out of me.

lnauroth
4th November 2002, 20:32
I'm just waiting for someone to post that they have actually been paid $350. If that happens the controversy goes away and lots of folks (including me) will run right over and join

Poncer
4th November 2002, 22:20
We don't call others scams that have high payouts. The ones listed here on the GPTBoycott forum are the ones we are warning others about because of their unscrupulous business practices.

shaykedelik
5th November 2002, 11:54
no offense taken cashjob! on my part at least!
i can't really deny that there are those that don't really have much to do!
but there are also those i know (from other forums at least) who had other reasons to post other than the high payout!
besides, jay has other Gpt's with lower payouts... try joining those and see for yourself!
i also don't think that jay is willing to sacrifice his reputation over 1 gtp with a high payout! whats the use of having other gpts with smaller payouts if you plan to scam everyone?

cashjob
5th November 2002, 20:08
Originally posted by shaykedelik

besides, jay has other Gpt's with lower payouts... try joining those and see for yourself!
i also don't think that jay is willing to sacrifice his reputation over 1 gtp with a high payout! whats the use of having other gpts with smaller payouts if you plan to scam everyone?

Good point.
How ever, i just realized that even if jays wanted to reduce the payout he can't.
I mean, how many members does he have... I went and checked his site and it says he has 21,421 active members. So from his sign up bonus alone he owes
21,421*$40=$856,840


thats staggering for a gptrem http://216.40.249.192/mysmilies/cwm/cwm/eek2.gif

It would pretty much bankrupt him if he lowered payout.

venomx
5th November 2002, 20:18
Unless he does like all the other sites and says the bonus is now for ads only....

cashjob
5th November 2002, 20:36
Originally posted by venomx
Unless he does like all the other sites and says the bonus is now for ads only....

....which is going to cause quite a ruckus seeing how this has happened with other programs doing the same thing.

I betcha if he does that there are going to be plenty of people yelling scam.
Such is the nature of the GPTREM bussines nowadays http://smilies.networkessence.net/contrib/sarge/Disappointed_anim.gif

venomx
5th November 2002, 20:46
Yeah :(

Poncer
5th November 2002, 20:50
Lots of members have redeemed their bonuses,a nd some of their click throughs to purchase ads or purchase a gold membership. So, some of the debt load has been reduce by the members reddeeming for those two things alone.

cashjob
5th November 2002, 21:02
Originally posted by Poncer
Lots of members have redeemed their bonuses,a nd some of their click throughs to purchase ads or purchase a gold membership. So, some of the debt load has been reduce by the members reddeeming for those two things alone.
Maybe so, but a lot of "clickers" are greedy and unles they are made to redeem it they wil not.
And if they are made to they wil run wild yelling scam...or atleast a good lot of them.
Honestly, how many of his members have redeemed?....1,000 2,000 5,000 or 10,000 ?
Even at 10,000 people redeeming that leaves the rest which would stil be over $400,000 debt load from sign up bonuses alone.
Even that is staggering to me for a gptrem.... and an awful lot of ad packages that need selling

however i can only speculate and the only one to know it for sure is Jay.

Again, i'm not bashing Jay, just having a good discussion here :)

idyikiter
6th November 2002, 05:33
Originally posted by djsamatt



And also gives out his own phone number for members and advertizer to call with questions

Yeppers~ hes tried to get me to call him a few times~

shaykedelik
6th November 2002, 12:46
if jay lowered his payout, he'd have to get rid of the bonus! the reason he gave a $40 bonus for this site was to make up for the high payout! only people born with their brains on their other ends wouldn't understand that! he he! but then, its also up to jay to figure out how to tell the members that!

you really luv this discussion don't yah, cj!

shaykedelik
6th November 2002, 13:32
and about the ads, i don't really remember when he ran out of them! i know a lot of people buy ads because of the high clickrate! so unless he spends everything at once, he should have some left over to pay his members!
but you're still right cj, jay is the only one who knows for sure whats goin on in his mind!
but then again, i still don't doubt him! so far, i haven't heard anything about him letting anybody down!

cashjob
6th November 2002, 19:06
Originally posted by shaykedelik
so far, i haven't heard anything about him letting anybody down!
True, me neihther, but then again i have not heard from anyone actually getting the full payout either but i might not have been paying attention :)
It's been known to happen ocasionally :D

bullet
7th November 2002, 01:08
Originally posted by shaykedelik
so far, i haven't heard anything about him letting anybody down!

This really isn't a question that has an answer yet -- as of now it is basically a matter of faith and trust in Jay & Sherry. It's not even a matter of whether there is anyone who has been paid the $350 so far.

To illustrate, I joined Jay's program on August 28 and, so far, have gotten about $27 credited to my account. That's about $2.70 per week, so it should take me about 27 months to reach the $310 in earnings (plus the $40 signup bonus). That's without any referrals, of course. I think I've pretty much clicked all the links he's sent me (but not all the searches). This is fine, but it means that for the next couple years I'm clicking on his e-mail links for free.

At some point, though, significant numbers of people will start to hit the $350 payout every week. From that point on, he'll be seeing major cash outflows on a continuous basis (you can do the math, say 100 redemptions at $350 each per week.....that's a lot of money).

At that point, we will find out for sure if Jay has put together a sound business plan and kept sufficient reserves to keep going -- then his GPT program will have reached a mature stage. I (and I think most of us) sincerely hope that yes, that's exactly what will happen. But we can discuss it ad infinitum now and we simply won't know for sure until then.

One thing I am curious about, that I'm sure some of you who do have referrals can answer: In the Terms, it states
$10 for each direct referral, and .20%

I've always wondered about the .20%. It reads two-tenths of a per cent. Is it that or is it actually twenty per cent? And is this credited as you go, or is it only credited when the referral reaches payout?

Another point to consider. Lots of GPT programs pay ultimately much more than 20% for referral earnings, so if Jay ends up paying .05 + 20% or 6 cents for a 5 cent link, his debt is going to be lower than a program that pays 50% or 7.5 cents for that same 5 cent link. That's not a criticism, just a comparison of different business models.

Bullet

shaykedelik
7th November 2002, 11:09
when your 1st level referals cash out, you get $10 but for every link they click, you get the .20%! it is credited as you go! its not much but that wasn't in the terms before so its still a plus!

shaykedelik
7th November 2002, 11:37
Originally posted by cashjob

True, me neihther, but then again i have not heard from anyone actually getting the full payout either but i might not have been paying attention :)
It's been known to happen ocasionally :D

i guess i was just talking about all his programs in general!

yobaboy
14th November 2002, 18:04
you know buchanen,since you have your own gpt it seems there may be a little jealousy going on with you.these random payouts jay gives is in addition to regular payouts,not the sole way to get paid.jay may have a high min. payout but he sends many emails and they are worth 5 cents a click.jay also gave me a free shared add when i asked him to take a solo ad out of my earnings,i ended up getting 64 referals for a program i joined thanks to jay.your blubbering is pure nonsense.have a nice day!

shaykedelik
15th November 2002, 03:09
free shared ad? wow! maybe i should try that sometime! what do you say jay? (kidding) lol

moxymom
25th November 2002, 02:51
I realize that the payout is high in Jay's program, but as stated by a few people here, it adds up fast. He is also a very kind-hearted person. I was having some problems a while back and he helped me out with them. There's no scam here...people are just wanting a get-rich-quick thing....never going to happen with ptrem...besides which....isn't it nicer to have $350 all at once than 5 or 10 bucks here and there??

JaysPaidMail
25th November 2002, 19:49
Also No one Seemed to Mention that we have $500.00 worth of
Sign Up offers on Site as soon as the Member Logs into the Program

and if a member works Hard they could Actually cash out in 1 day
of jays-paidmail

It isn't like we don't have the offers available on site and have had now for going on 2 months now

noey1966
24th December 2002, 04:05
I think Jay & Sherry's programs are the best! Their paid emails are actually worth money, not .1 cent or .25 cent. They actually get good advertisers and the emails are not full of searches like some of the others. I've had emails from other GPTR's full of searches that take 20 minutes to get through one email because I do not have DSL (yet). I have joined all of Jay & Sherry's programs and do not regret it for a second!

Kyu
24th December 2002, 05:09
Okay, I've been reading this and bitting my tongue, and trying to silently contemplate the riddles of these business tactics in my mind. I'm left with a few unanswered questions. I will state right off that I am not a member, and am neither for or against Jay's programs. I simply like thought and theory. So here it goes...

First on the list is these random pay outs. Lets say that I have earned $345 (with bonus), and my account gets picked for a random pay out. How much of that would I get? What would my balance be after? And being so close to pay out, could someone decline from the pay out to ensure that their upline got their bonus for having me sign up under them?

Second on my list was the mention of sign up offers. Note, that most of the time to make money via a program sign up, you end up spending more than that joining the program. Also, the site is compensated quite a bit for those joins, so even hitting pay out in a day is not an issue. If nothing else, it is a bonus for the sites offering those bonus awards.

Third and final on the list. The question regarding if anyone has gotten their full $350 cash out was asked on several instences, and each time it seemed skirted around. I was wondering if Jay or Sherry have a direct yes or no answer to this question.

= Kyu =

SherryGirl
25th December 2002, 23:38
Kyu


Here are some answers to your questions


1. Yes you can deny a random payout if you desire


2. You are not forced to particiapte in the rewards section if you
do not want to.

3 The program is only 6 months old~~No one has reached
the full $350.00 mark yet. Our top earner has $279.00
WITHOUT participating in the rewards program!

Sissy
26th December 2002, 04:14
Jay Rocks!!!

frekdim
26th December 2002, 18:07
jays is the best program on the web anyone who wanted to boycott it must be out of their mind.
i just want jay and sherry to know that i'm behind them 100%.


keep rocking!!!!!!!

andersenuk
30th December 2002, 15:42
I have no reason to believe that Jay and Sherry are anything other than decent honest people but it does worry me that they may be building up cashflow problems some time in the future.

To bring some healthy British cynicism to the discussion, have you noticed how they have suddenly opened several new programmes (Automatic Cash, Fancy Cash, Supercash, Cashpoints, E-biz paidmail)? The more programmes they run, the thinner the paid links are spread, and the longer it will take to reach payout in any of them. Fair comment or not?