Golden ads..privacy rip ..aprils nonsense

[freebiesite]

Hi

I personally think April got off easy with her sluff off of her awful debt ridden site...and I think she should get out of ptr altogether JMO with all the hundreds of thousands of $$ she owes

but..she also sluffed off her aprilgoldenads site to Georgina

with it went some of the debt of her main site,as members were encouraged to join the ads site and put some of their debt there

reason enough to boycott it JMO...but I feel all of Georgina's sites should be boycotted or watchlisted...she has a couple little cheezy ones, and also opened a a new one called golden-advertising.com registered to Georgina herself..

she is now violating her own privacy act by sending emails from the golden-advertising site to her aprilsgoldenads members..along with the aprilgoldenads???

what could be the reason?? Maybe to distance herself from april or ? Since her own sites seem to have no members, sailor's paradise and some other one, maybe she is trying to use aprils database but is sick of the "where is my money" feeling the members may rightfully have??

who knows..it is a sorry day again in ptr to see privacy laws violated


JMO Georgina and all her sites should be put on watch list for privacy violation *not to mention the site debt owed to the aprils members..and hopefully boycotted

The-Leaping-Lizard-
Sailors Paradise-
Penny-Pusher-
aprilsgoldenads
and now golden-advertising which she is spamming her other memberbase
with ....they did NOT signup for it, this seems to be a new trend
started by steve allen etc....just screw the privacy laws I suppose

yuck...sometimes if you read the crap that goes on in ptr you just want to take a nice hot shower
(ps..yeah I am mean and sarcastic...tough...get used to it...my track record speaks for itself ..I feel like getting a huge banner...told ya so LOL LOL)

[AnI4AnI]

Maybe you didn't notice the other thread regarding the IRS but April will be a priority along with AYS and several other of the bigger sites when YIA and I report them. If the IRS audits simple homeowners for some trivial under-reported income, I imagine they'd be extremely interested in hearing about the thousands of dollars taken in by many of these sites which I would bet my last breath on was never reported or seriously under-reported income. Trust me, they might think they're getting off scot-free but they have another thing coming.

It's time to pay the fiddler, people.

[freebiesite]

Maybe you didn't notice the other thread regarding the IRS but April will be a priority along with AYS and several other of the bigger sites when YIA and I report them. If the IRS audits simple homeowners for some trivial under-reported income, I imagine they'd be extremely interested in hearing about the thousands of dollars taken in by many of these sites which I would bet my last breath on was never reported or seriously under-reported income. Trust me, they might think they're getting off scot-free but they have another thing coming.

It's time to pay the fiddler, people.

My guess?? she probably did NOT pay taxes...also she was/is a florida corporation, and I think there is much there to go after her..she sloffed off aprils to a guy in the UK...and her buddy Georgina is in Canada....I dont think usa corporations can just "poof" be transferred minus their debt like this??
Florida is a pretty good state for fraud busting, cause we have so much fraud here, we do have agencies in place..

fla dept of agriculture and consumer affairs..fla attorney general...

this brings me to another "real" question...one of the main reasons I masspay, and now masspay everything, is the accounting..

it is simply unreal to try and sit and add up 1.01...1.05, 1.14, 1.03...etc...and unrealistic

I add up income in spreadsheets that I download from paypal monthly..and I add up "outgo" in masspayments and lump sum payments to my host etc....

otherwise it would be just..a mess...our cc script has NO real accounting features.....I know how to use spreadsheets, and know how to use both quickbooks and quicken so it is not a problem ,as i was/am familiar with salon software to run that sort of a business...

any biz is in/out...record it....add it, subtract it ..file a schedule c

I am not sure how some of these nimrods could/do handle it tho?? I can not imagine doing this without masspay...and I question how any site of size can even keep accounts and pay taxes or claim taxes without streamlining as I do??? with the cc script it is pretty hard JMO

As for april? Hers was so poorly run, shuffled debt from site to site, shuffled the site itself from country to country....she had various schemes to "reduce" the debt....I would think it would take a whole team of forensic accountants to make sense of her mess....hopefully the state of florida and the irs might find it worthwhile?? cause in her case there is a good estimate that her "debt' was couple hundred thousand...a good guesstimate might be that she actually took in 50k/100k in sales, upgrades, or even more?? where did it go??

[AnI4AnI]

Yeah, well if and when there really is an in-depth investigation, there will be some serious accountability from a whole lot of people. The accounting, as you say, must be so haphazard as to be virtually impossible to backtrack and follow the trail but at least banks and payment processors have statements and we can be assured no one's in the back room of some bank somewhere with these POs accounts, frantically deleting data or erasing and scribbling new figures into the books, the way I'm sure many of them will be scrambling to do soon. :)

[georgina]

Hi

I personally think April got off easy with her sluff off of her awful debt ridden site...and I think she should get out of ptr altogether JMO with all the hundreds of thousands of $$ she owes

but..she also sluffed off her aprilgoldenads site to Georgina

with it went some of the debt of her main site,as members were encouraged to join the ads site and put some of their debt there

reason enough to boycott it JMO...but I feel all of Georgina's sites should be boycotted or watchlisted...she has a couple little cheezy ones, and also opened a a new one called golden-advertising.com registered to Georgina herself..

she is now violating her own privacy act by sending emails from the golden-advertising site to her aprilsgoldenads members..along with the aprilgoldenads???

what could be the reason?? Maybe to distance herself from april or ? Since her own sites seem to have no members, sailor's paradise and some other one, maybe she is trying to use aprils database but is sick of the "where is my money" feeling the members may rightfully have??

who knows..it is a sorry day again in ptr to see privacy laws violated


JMO Georgina and all her sites should be put on watch list for privacy violation *not to mention the site debt owed to the aprils members..and hopefully boycotted

The-Leaping-Lizard-
Sailors Paradise-
Penny-Pusher-
aprilsgoldenads
and now golden-advertising which she is spamming her other memberbase
with ....they did NOT signup for it, this seems to be a new trend
started by steve allen etc....just screw the privacy laws I suppose

yuck...sometimes if you read the crap that goes on in ptr you just want to take a nice hot shower
(ps..yeah I am mean and sarcastic...tough...get used to it...my track record speaks for itself ..I feel like getting a huge banner...told ya so LOL LOL)


Hi freebiesite
I dont know if your a member of Aprilsgoldenads but if you were and if you read your emails and visited the members forum you would know why members are getting emails from Golden-Advertising.

As this NEW SITE cc script was bought and paid for by me to replace the old sites cc script as it had problems there was something wrong on the old scripts I couldnt find or fix and it was messing with the plugins on the AGA site.

First it was making the mailtime plugin all wacky so me thinking that members came first and ads needed to be sent I bought the auto ads manager, But there were still problems so I bought the new script to replace Aprilsgoldenads.

Yes the new site has a new name, Yes the site has a new look, The site has a new owner ME Georgina Jarvis So how can I be spamming My member base.

I have informed members from Day one there would be changes this info is in the members forum and in Admin updates sent to members.

But if you want all my sites boycotted because you think they are cheezy thats weak.

I may have small sites but my members are happy I have never had a problem with my members as the only complaint so far is yours and any money for contests or random payments have been made and paid I just did eight random payouts.

I am trying to give the members of Aprilsgoldenads a site they can be proud to promote. The members who dont want to stay they dont have to, I will miss them as I think Golden- advertising will be great. I am adding random cash payouts for Golden-advertising like I have with the-leaping-lizard and penny-pushers. I will be adding some games as well.

What I dont understand is why you have desided to attack me and my sites now. If you had these concerns why not voice them when I took over AGA to begin with. If I was going to use the AGA data base I would have added them to my other sites not spent money on a new script.

What gets me is unless you are a member how could you have even known about the test ads being sent out and if you are a member why not ask me first before coming to complain. I am always willing to fix any problem with all members. Have I ever done anything to you.
Georgina

[metiff]

I find it very interesting that you know so much about this site. Either you are a member or you have entirely too much time on your hands.

Considering that her other "little cheesy" sites get really good ad results for a site that size it would seem to me that you know NOTHING of Georgina.

It would also seem to me that your little slam about cheesy is nothing more then pettiness that most people have come to expect from you.

Also--your comment about privacy....isn't that just a little like the pot calling the kettle black? Someone else in this thread ALSO took over a site with no notice to members. HMMMMM..wonder who that could be.

Oh and Gypsy----you have so much room to talk---how many people did you scam when your "grandmother" was sick?

Sounds like sour grapes to me. And I for one am voting AGAINST the boycott. Georgina has proven with her other sites that she DOES pay---and they are "ads only with a twist" and she has also proven to be very responsive in dealing with her members.

I have one other question---since AprilsGoldenAds is no longer owned by April---wouldn't it make sense that it get a name change? Wow--and someone changed the look of a site----call out the cops on that one!

Yes, April screwed up and yes April has pretty much left PTR---any association she still has is as a member. However, that should not warrant Georgina's being boycotted.

So how long are you going to keep up your lynch mob? How long are you going to keep ignoring the complaints that appear to be valid about your program and/or forum Cheri?

Just my humble opinion. Oh yeah and before anyone can say one word about the transfer of AprilsGoldenAds---Georgina has been an assistant helping with ads etc. on that site for a long time AND MEMBERS KNEW IT.

Tiff

[freebiesite]

April's members never got paid...her ads site "took over" the debt..changing the name seems to be just a ploy to get rid of april's name tho I dont blame you for that, april's name is worthless...

FYI>>> I dont owe hundred's of thousands of dollars

april does

I never tranferred a usa/florida corporation around like it was a ping pong ball

her site has april's "old" debt and as such I think it sucks...get it??

april transferred her old debt to that site......and the members were left to wallow around and never got paid

let me say it one more time....I pay people...april didnt...big difference

you can play all your dirty little games and circle your little wagons..the fact is that april gold ended up owing a LOT of people a LOT of money...I think any site that has her debt should be treated the same as her sites,no matter what you call them

FYI>>> I took over one program that was NOT in debt that had 11 emails sent in a month or so...and yes, the transfer did not go the way we planned due to his other site being offline...then when I took beehive, again with small debt, the members were notified days in advance

bottom line...I pay...april didnt....april sloffed off her debt to the ads site, now georgina runs it...I honestly do NOT know how any of you can continue to justify what april did...

we are NOT talking pennies here..we are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars

[AnI4AnI]

Here we go with the personal attacks. How many "people did I scam" when my grandmother had a stroke and I ASKED FOR NOTHING AND PEOPLE SENT MONEY UNSOLICITED???? Gee, let's see....NONE!!!! It's pathetic so many of you have to vomit that up when you're backed into a corner. Guess what? It isn't going to work. Metiff, you aided and abetted April in a great many things...namely convincing people they would be paid. Let's see how it all pans out once the auditors start rolling in. They're not going to swallow all your half-baked excuses and forum bullying.

[AnI4AnI]

AYS
ANNIES
APRILS

Those are 3 sites that will definately be reported. Maybe you guys should spend more time getting your ducks in a row and less time bickering in forums or cooking up new schemes to screw people out of their time and earnings.

[georgina]

April's members never got paid...her ads site "took over" the debt..changing the name seems to be just a ploy to get rid of april's name tho I dont blame you for that, april's name is worthless...

FYI>>> I dont owe hundred's of thousands of dollars

april does

I never tranferred a usa/florida corporation around like it was a ping pong ball

her site has april's "old" debt and as such I think it sucks...get it??

april transferred her old debt to that site......and the members were left to wallow around and never got paid

let me say it one more time....I pay people...april didnt...big difference

you can play all your dirty little games and circle your little wagons..the fact is that april gold ended up owing a LOT of people a LOT of money...I think any site that has her debt should be treated the same as her sites,no matter what you call them

FYI>>> I took over one program that was NOT in debt that had 11 emails sent in a month or so...and yes, the transfer did not go the way we planned due to his other site being offline...then when I took beehive, again with small debt, the members were notified days in advance

bottom line...I pay...april didnt....april sloffed off her debt to the ads site, now georgina runs it...I honestly do NOT know how any of you can continue to justify what april did...

we are NOT talking pennies here..we are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars


Bottom Line I am not April so stop using MY sites to Bash her or ever lump me and MY sites into your little vindeta against April.

April has nothing to do with MY sites I dont have any debt never did.

All old cash from the site will be redeemed for ads as thats what the site was and still is ADS ONLY so nothing will be lost.

I realy dont see a problem here I am doing nothing wrong. If what I am doing is wrong then you are as guilty as you have taken over someones site have you not.

Bottom Line I PAY so leave me out of your complaints about April.

Georgina

[metiff]

Here we go with the personal attacks. How many "people did I scam" when my grandmother had a stroke and I ASKED FOR NOTHING AND PEOPLE SENT MONEY UNSOLICITED???? Gee, let's see....NONE!!!! It's pathetic so many of you have to vomit that up when you're backed into a corner. Guess what? It isn't going to work. Metiff, you aided and abetted April in a great many things...namely convincing people they would be paid. Let's see how it all pans out once the auditors start rolling in. They're not going to swallow all your half-baked excuses and forum bullying.


Go ahead and threaten people. I lost money in the mix too. I keep very good track of my earnings and my expenditures in this industry. (Partly due to ThePaidHelp--but before that it was spreadsheets.)

Call it what you want, people WERE getting paid and that's what I said...that was my goal the entire time-to get the site back where it needed to be after mismanagement. I came in long after it was already beyond terms and was trying my best to help with that. Many people donated their time and did whatever they could to help. To hold us responsible is at least small minded and I fear more like a ploy to injure good people. Georgina has done NOTHING to warrant this attack.

Tiff

[metiff]

April's members never got paid...her ads site "took over" the debt..changing the name seems to be just a ploy to get rid of april's name tho I dont blame you for that, april's name is worthless...

FYI>>> I dont owe hundred's of thousands of dollars

april does

I never tranferred a usa/florida corporation around like it was a ping pong ball

her site has april's "old" debt and as such I think it sucks...get it??

april transferred her old debt to that site......and the members were left to wallow around and never got paid

let me say it one more time....I pay people...april didnt...big difference

you can play all your dirty little games and circle your little wagons..the fact is that april gold ended up owing a LOT of people a LOT of money...I think any site that has her debt should be treated the same as her sites,no matter what you call them

FYI>>> I took over one program that was NOT in debt that had 11 emails sent in a month or so...and yes, the transfer did not go the way we planned due to his other site being offline...then when I took beehive, again with small debt, the members were notified days in advance

bottom line...I pay...april didnt....april sloffed off her debt to the ads site, now georgina runs it...I honestly do NOT know how any of you can continue to justify what april did...

we are NOT talking pennies here..we are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars


First off, I was one of the people that was owed money. To be exact it was $512.3285 when the site closed. I had rec'd a total of 3 payouts in the entire lifetime of the program. On 9-2-04 I rec'd $50.00; Feb 24,2004 I rec'd $125.25; and on Jan 24,2004 I rec'd 100.00 . That does not take into account the redemptions for ads or the cash I paid in to get referrals, or the advertising $ I spent to help build that downline. YES, I could use that money. Same as I could use the money from all the other places that never paid. I think most of us know the sting of NOT getting paid like we are supposed to.

The point is NOT April because she no longer owns ANY sites. This is about Georgina who has done NOTHING to warrant this. Her sites, which are ads only, had paid out the contests on time everytime. To top it off she has PAID cash to her members. And finally, April's members won't lose anything in this. If anything they will get the possibility of getting paid cash.

And finally, it's father's day weekend so I'm going to go finish BBQing my husband his special dinner. If nothing else, this industry has taught me that there is alot of neat stuff out in the world to do away from the computer.

Regardless of everything else, I wanted to let you know that I thought of you (along with Rod and April) as this last tropical storm went through. I wish you and your family health and safety this hurricane season--as it appears it's starting early and probably won't be any better then last season.

Tiff

[AnI4AnI]

Go ahead and threaten people. I lost money in the mix too. I keep very good track of my earnings and my expenditures in this industry. (Partly due to ThePaidHelp--but before that it was spreadsheets.)

Call it what you want, people WERE getting paid and that's what I said...that was my goal the entire time-to get the site back where it needed to be after mismanagement. I came in long after it was already beyond terms and was trying my best to help with that. Many people donated their time and did whatever they could to help. To hold us responsible is at least small minded and I fear more like a ploy to injure good people. Georgina has done NOTHING to warrant this attack.

Tiff

Preserving.

I find it ironic how "many people donated" when it's something you need to defend but "I scammed all those people." This is a perfect example of how site owners and helpers try to "tip" everthing to their favor. Thanks for providing it. It helps to further our points about "unconscionability."

[metiff]

I'll admit I was not a witness to what happened with you and your grandmother. I will admit that have gone on what I have been told my numerous people.

However, if you think that I was trying to tip anything you are mistaken. However I think trying to boycott someone's sites because you don't like the previous owner or the previous owner's actions is what is unconscionable. If you can find one shred of proof that Georgina has EVER scammed anyone I will run up and down my street naked. (And believe me, that is not something you want to see.)

I still do not believe April had ill intentions--she screwed up. Everyone including myself has pointed that out to her but she is not Georgina and to go after Georgina for the sins of another is wrong.

Tiffany

[AnI4AnI]

Metiff, I'm not "going after" Georgiana...do you see anywhere that I did? When and if there is an investigation of April Gold and her sites, the trail will lead to wherever it leads and if there is any impropriety, it will be up to the authorities to mete out justice. However, the big question remains as with any take-over; Why did the person not start fresh, with no affiliation to the scam site? I have no idea what transpired but if someone is using second and third generation databases to spam people AFTER they have been used, abused and kicked to the side of the road, I think it will all come out in the wash and some questions are going to have to be answered....and you won't be able to deflect the authorities with idiotic, irrelevant, un-related personal attacks when you're backed into a corner.

As YIA said, if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about. Simple as that.

[freebiesite]

I'll admit I was not a witness to what happened with you and your grandmother. I will admit that have gone on what I have been told my numerous people.

However, if you think that I was trying to tip anything you are mistaken. However I think trying to boycott someone's sites because you don't like the previous owner or the previous owner's actions is what is unconscionable. If you can find one shred of proof that Georgina has EVER scammed anyone I will run up and down my street naked. (And believe me, that is not something you want to see.)

I still do not believe April had ill intentions--she screwed up. Everyone including myself has pointed that out to her but she is not Georgina and to go after Georgina for the sins of another is wrong.

Tiffany


FYI>>> she may be very honest...but...with her help ..and yours..and the help of the guy in the uk, april "got off the hook" and that is a shame..

april owes hundreds of thousands of dollars

I am NOT stupid...I run a site, it brings in money..and I pay most of it out to the members...IF I had a higher payout, like 30$ or 50$ I would just NOW be getting to the point where I would have to payout members...instead I have paid out in little amounts every week, several times a week...I have now paid out about $22,400...

I am sure april ..with a site membership 4x or 5x mine...took in much more...plus she pushed the upgrades and stuff...sooo...what the heck did she do with it?? dont play the mismanaged game..after awhile that gets tiresome...the fact is that she wasted everyones time and efforts and some people's money...and she did make money

to aid and abet that is wrong JMO>>>> to encourage others, the way some of her fans did, was wrong....

money in, money out...yes a PO should be paid...and I am one of the few to ever say that...and say yes, I intend to get paid and most months I do now...and that is the way it should be...I dont consider this a hobby or a club or co-depandant's pity party....it is a business

where did the "money in" go with april??

JMO to "take over" a site with that reputation deprives the members of "going after" the real culprit...the owner....april got off easy cause of the guy who took her other site and cause the ad site was also taken over

as to Georginas "honestly">>>JMO>>> I have not seen many sites like hers..to me it is a new "twist" and not a good one...

"ads only with a twist'>>> means what?? that is like "a little bit pregnant">> JMO>>

it is sort of like..support, click, upgrade, run ads...support, support.and you MIGHT get paid...but then again ...you might not ..cause "I" said it is ads only....that to me is pretty....iffy ..in itself...talk about hedging your bets


as for my site??...the ones who can follow simple rules, read simple english get paid...NO site searches, no begging, no one has to hear bout my kitty's tummy ache or donate to my "bunion relief" fund....no poor mouthing...no bs

I am happy to "put my money where my mouth is">>> let's see others do the same...

I masspaid pp today...Dear Freebiequeen,

This email confirms that you sent a total of $232.61 USD for your mass payment.

and yesterday...
Dear Freebiequeen,

This email confirms that you sent a total of $195.05 USD for your mass payment.


want screenshots? I can provide em

money talks and bs walks..and it is really time for many people to put on their hiking boots JMO

I called it right for so many sites...I dont even bother much any more...

but it is nice to toast my many critics who have made my predictions come true <grin>

so ...here's a toast to ...april....mendy....mendys buddy sherri....the wm of "karmic-kash">(a special lol to them).....
mike and trayse.......all the rebel team....linder and ays...annies (wow..surprize surprize the missing 11k was never recovered) and to all the others who have played their sorry games. :) slainte

[AnI4AnI]

Ill intentions???

In my opinion, if a site gets 2 weeks behind in payments and they don't put the brakes on immediately by closing the site until such time that the members are paid in full and they can re-open in the clear, then that constitutes "ill-intentions", especially when the cheerleaders are out in droves for months, enabling them to the hilt, and convincing people to click, click, click and hush, hush, hush.

She led people on, Metiff. You helped. She preyed on people's trust....and where did all that money go? I watched the payout list for months and hardly ever saw it move, yet the site was operating, she was raking in the cash for advertisements then she just pawned off the site and ducked away and you don't understand why people are angry?

It ain't over 'til it's over.

[AnI4AnI]

What would anyone want with the database of a massively debt-ridden site, Metiff? Dana pulled the same thing and it was basically to prey on members to perpetuate search engine click fraud. In other words, to re-victmize people...like it isn't enough to rob them of their time, resources, money and efforts the first time...now the opportunists have to zoom in for the kill.

Yes, very noble indeed.

[metiff]

Ok-so you are guys are still talking about April's....isn't tyis about Georgina???

As for the money---alot of it and I do mean ALOT went for hosting. I can not believe how much April was paying when she was with GoMaMa. And The money wasn't as good as you would believe. Alot of the ads were upgraded member ads which were GROSSLY underpriced and redemptions.

Let's fact it, the ads were not correctly priced until the last few month. Points came in and while that did help....in retrospect it was too little too late. There happens to be another PO out there (won't mention any names you probably know who it is) who would take over a site and "adjust" all earnings to reflect what really came in. And I don't agree with that either.

However, this still comes down to this is not about April, it's about Georgina. There were one of two choices, someone take it over or close down. April was no longer able to run it. I was offered the site but had to pass because between school and my kids and their schedule (never knew 4 kids could be that BUSY!) I could not do the site justice. Georgina has done well with her other sites and I knew she would be GREAT with this site.

Also Cheri, I have to agree with you about PO's should make some money, but sadly most do not. There are alot who don't make enough to cover their members earnings and their hosting. I also know that if I owned a site (which there is no way at this point I can see that happening) I would want it to be a no-minimum with a mass pay each month. And I would only want to use paypal. Just my preference. We don't disagree on everything.....but I do disagree with trying to go after one person for the sins of another. At least this way the members can still get to redeem for ads.

Tiff

[freecashspace]

As far as I'm concerned, April Gold ought to be doing time in Homestead Correctional Institution or a similar facility. As to whether April had 'ill intentions' or not, I don't think it really matters, does it? There's a legal way to get out of paying debt -- bankruptcy. In the end, April decided it was easier just to dump her programs and run away.

Does that have anything to do with the current owners of programs previously owned by April? Absolutely. I think in most cases like this its best to just let the programs die rather than take them over, try to 'save' them, etc. Why take over a 'business' associated with a scammer?

I'm not sure what should happen in these kinds of situations. I don't know if there's a one-size-fits-all solution. I do think POs should be watched and boycotted the same as particular programs. And I don't think a program should come off the boycott or watch lists just because it changes hands. But how far does it go? I'm not sure.

Cheers,

Wil

[iamfreebiewoman]

Ok, i NEVER post over here... but im going to today...because you all have everything all messed up and its getting out of hand....

First of all, you need to seperate April and Georgina... whatever evils April did to everyone have NOTHING to do with Georgina... Georgina took over AprilsGoldenAds.com because April wanted to get rid of it to get out of the biz completely from the standpoint of site ownership. Georgina offered to take the site and run it as honestly as she does her other sites (which i am also a member of) and she has already spent a good deal of money on AGA to make improvements etc (namely the auto ad mgr plugin) in order to speed up the processing of ads for the members who had been waiting upwards of 2 months for ads to be processed under the ownership of April.

Secondly, NO, Georgina is NOT April... I know this for a fact, I have talked to Georgina on the phone and have assisted her with the AGA site. When the auto ad mgr was installed, the mailtime database that was in there was completely VOID of all the daily ads that were suppose to be going out.... I offered to help her get the site all sorted out, and I went in and helped SAVE all of the ads that had been going out in mailtime that had vanished. I also moved all of those ads over to the auto ad mgr plugin and set them up to go out. Also, Georgina gave everyone who had ads running that had not been going out, extra time on their ads for the dailys, and everyone who had ads in that had limited click ads, had all of their ads resent for the full click value (if they were due 500 clicks and they got 200 they went back out for 500 clicks). I feel that was MORE than fair of her to do. While i was doing that, she also worked on all of the massive amount of backlogged redemptions and advertising requests that had come in, which was about 2 months behind. When all was said and done there were a very LARGE amount of mails to go out, so she tried to stagger them out and mix them up so that everyone wouldnt be getting 500 emails a day for a while.... but she did a fine job and I was more than happy to assist her with it all (remember, the mailtime ads getting eaten was BEFORE the bs that JK pulled with everyone else that was using mailtime a couple of weeks after her problems with the plugin). She went above and beyond the call of duty to make sure that everyones ads were saved. She encouraged everyone to check their ad stats once everything had been recovered from the existing running ads, and processed from the huge backlog of ads that hadnt been done, and told them if you see a problem with your ad or you do not see your ad then contact me and i will fix it.

Thirdly, before any changes were made, including upgraded member redemption options and on down the list of changes that have been done.... everything that was open for discussion was sent to the members via a link to the thread in the AGA forum where those proposed changes would be discussed... I was very active in those threads (for those of you who are a member of AGA, go look in the forum and see for yourself) because i am a top upgraded member on the site before Georgina took it over and i wanted my input on the upgrades and other matters to be heard. In that upgrade thread, there were only about 5 or 6 other folks (excluding me, Georgina and Ed, the other top upgraded member, that did most of the posting in that thread regarding the proposed changes in the upgrades)... and there are many MORE folks who were upgraded that never took the time to offer their input... and those that DID take the time to offer it, were given fair consideration before the final upgrade announcements were made... I think Georgina did a MORE than fair job of taking into consideration what everyone who bothered to post suggested!

Fourthly.... It was also brought to light in the forum that Georgina felt that eventually a domain name change would be best. Although there was no set time line on this, Georgina and I had discussed it several times, as I told her I wanted to time my advertising so that I could avoid having to change a bunch of ads for the AGA site to whatever she was going to change the domain to. Recently she had Imad help her with moving the auto ad mgr database tables over to the new domain (golden-advertising) which she had been quitely working on and designing, taking the time to make all of the proposed changes that were discussed in various threads on the AGA forum of what folks would like to see. When those tables were moved, the auto ad mgr on the new site started kicking out emails to the members who had been moved over in the regular CC database... and once I saw it I IMd her and said HEY do you know the new site is kicking out mails and she said OOPS no its not suppose to let me go stop those and email everyone... which she did....

Fifth.... and most importantly.... (especially to those of you who have in some way eluded to the delusion that Georgina is selling or giving away the AGA member database to another site)... Georgina owns both the AGA domain and the new one for golden-advertising, and as was already announced to the members (who would have seen it if you had been paying attention) the site is in the process of changing over to become the new site with the existing AGA members, and the changes that were discussed in the forum regarding the changing of the old inflated AGA ad cash over to points (which the conversion rate was also discussed in the forum and i feel what she picked is MORE than fair) as well as what the upgrade levels benefits were changed to... etc... i dont see the problem here... obviously the folks who are complaining about this are ones that either arent reading the mails when she sends out admin updates, or the ones that arent reading the links to the forum that she is sending out regarding the various discussions that have been going on between the membership and Georgina on proposed changes... so i fail to see what the big problem is... she made sure everyone who bothered to offer input on all of this felt that they were being considered and treated fairly.

Lastly... I know a whole lot of you out there are whizzed off at April for what you feel/think she did to you.... fine, thats you opinion and you have every right to feel the way you do and to jump in and scream about what you feel.... however, what I do NOT feel is very fair, is to bash Georgina... she is an honest admin and she had only the BEST of intentions when she took over AGA from April and started treating it like it should have been treated all along, with respect and consideration, and with effort to ensure that everyone is as happy as they can be, and to ensure that all ads get processed and out as quickly as possible.... where's the problem?

I would just like to add this... one of Georgina's other sites that has this same format that I am a member of... I just got a random $0.35 payout... and here is a screenshot of that payout:

SailorsParadise.net $0.35 Payout on 06/14/05 (http://www.freebiewoman.us/payproof/062005/061405sailors.jpg)

With that said i wanna say just one more thing.... i think its wonderful that Georgina is doing what she is doing and giving the special care that she is to the AGA site and to the site that AGA is going to become. Ads only programs are wonderful if you are a member that just wants to redeem for ads and who doesnt much care about the clickthru rate they get from their ads. I am on several ads only sites and have been on more over the years, and the HARDEST THING to get folks to do on an ads only site, is CLICK... I am all for admins of ads only sites finding ways to give away real cash prizes or real cash payouts to keep the members of the ads only site clicking and active and interested. I think the way that AGA is changing and what it is changing into is wonderful and that it is the best thing that has ever happened to the AGA site... and i truely believe, that those of you who are right back up a post about the evils of April and how you were bit by her could be set aside, and you could give Georgina a chance, you would really believe as I do that she is a wonderful and creative and thoughtful admin who cares about her members and listens to them.

Thank you for the long read... I hope those of you who do read this take it to heart and consider what I have said here and give Georgina a fair chance. Most of you who know me know that I don't take my recommendations lightly, but I do get behind what I believe in, and I believe in Georgina.

[freebiesite]

Wow....and I thought I was long winded tee hee hee :)

JMO>>> by "helping" april for so long, and encouraging others to "stick it out"...many of aprils devoted helpers only perpetuated the problem and helped it to drag out, even by supporting the "transfer"..or shuffle...of the site overseas to a new wm

IF you know anything about business, you would know that shuffling a us/florida based corporation to the uk with it's debt is illegal

I agree with wil...april should have been brought to some sort of justice, but with the help of her friends she washed her hands of her sites....sad

The debt from april golds was also shuffled to this ad site..I think that this is reason enough to list it, just as april was listed and should have been boycotted

this would set an example..and give others the idea that taking over failed sites is NOT good...

Oh yeah...I took over sites, but they were not in debt or failed..

and there may well be other sales or takeover that work out, for instance rod sold stateptr and it could be viable, not in a lot of debt, and he sold it to an experienced wm

I think the difference here is that by "taking over" april's georgina allowed april to skate free...and that sucks

helping, aiding, abetting, whatever you call it....these were april's strongest defendeders, who gave many people false hope

sooo...no I have no sympathy or respect for that

as for tif's lament about hosting...?? give me a break LOL> My hosting is paid for in advance, I am ahead of the game, and at most it is not more than one days revenue from ad sales....

trust me, hosting could NOT have been that bad,...what $150? even $200? so what,get real...this is the sort of excuse that keeps people hanging on
I think that it is convenient to now say "april messed up">?>> No, do the math...april just took in money, used it, didnt take in enough money,got behind and kept going..she was still taking in money yet the pay day never moved....as her helper Georgina must have seen some of this go on


to say that april did not take in money has to be a lie..my site is far smaller and I take in money..now..I dont keep that much, I pay it out..
yesterday paid out 168 in egold...paid over 400 in pp in past couple days....but helloooo....she just took in that sort of money and probably spent it as she went, then when people hit her high payout the money was gone


I truly feel that fraud was committed...and that people helped in that, perhaps with good intentions...but then again the road to hell is paved with good intentions

PTR I have found is a dirty biz....it is like trying to run a walgreens pharmacy in a neighborhood of crack houses

Real honestly is not liked cause it is not "politically correct' or butt kissing,
but since i dont build downlines or depend on other programs I have no reason to butt kiss..


am I right? well I think my track record in calling out frauds and nonsense is just about perfect..
what site that I ever "took on" has turned around or paid or proven me wrong??
mendy, aprils, ays, mikespaidmail, hawaii, earnings2all,julie of juliemail.us, 200/2000/200 etc sites, karmic, unsustainable, and so on..now netbux and paypup.....where the heck is my "told ya so" banner???

take it from me>> most of what is posted here is nonsense, smoke, mirrors, boo hoo....the hosting excuse is ridiculous, the "ad manager" excuse is right behind it....there is nothing "wonderful" or "awesome' about this mess

I feel a good chance to actually make an example of a fraudulent ptr was sadly lost as april's buddies helped her to cover up and move her sites

[michaellaskey]

Yup.. Turn from SCAMMER to Scam Buster.. :baaa: :stupid:




Oh and Gypsy----you have so much room to talk---how many people did you scam when your "grandmother" was sick?



Tiff

[AnI4AnI]

Your post has been reported. I think these posts by yourself and Metiff tell others more about yourselves than they do about me. Most people who aren't prone to being easily swayed or believing every thing they read will have enough sense to realize how this type of behavior reflects on the accuser rather than the accused. Since Metiff admitted later she really had no idea what the real story is, it just proves how non-credible her word is....and now you've sunk to her rank. As a businessman, you should be ashamed of yourself. As a regular poster in these forums, you have ample opportunity to research these things before posting.

[michaellaskey]

LOL... I was there.. I personally Witnessed how you "Played the Sympathies" of all the Unsuspecting GPF members that cared enough to try and help you.. To only be SCAMMED like so many times before.. I dont care if you like it or not.. You are less than credible in MANY MANY ways, LMAO!!! Why is it when someone mentions your "Misdeed" you get all bent outta shape :\ But in the meantime you sit around here acting as tho your "Perfect".. All I can say is "If you cannot take it, Dont dish it ;)

Your post has been reported. I think these posts by yourself and Metiff tell others more about yourselves than they do about me. Most people who aren't prone to being easily swayed or believing every thing they read will have enough sense to realize how this type of behavior reflects on the accuser rather than the accused. Since Metiff admitted later she really had no idea what the real story is, it just proves how non-credible her word is....and now you've sunk to her rank. As a businessman, you should be ashamed of yourself. As a regular poster in these forums, you have ample opportunity to research these things before posting.

[freebiesite]

Can't we leave pesonalitities out of this??

what do others think? I think that by taking over april's failed site, and by supporting aprilgold so devoutedly, that the damage has been done

I think this site should be on watch list or boycotted as it was used to perpetuate a real fraud and set a horrible example in ptr...

This thread should not be about me or mike or ani or whatever..it should be about sluffing off failed sites and letting the wm run free.....which is what happened here

much as I disliked missmendy she at least had the decency to "go" forever...

many were upset with mamacita etc...I actually liked angie and felt bad for her, but I must say I admire the way she just "left the building">>> I hate the way april changed her name to blazinchic and continued in ptr...I hate the way georgina took on the shell of her ad site and now is trying to clean it up with a new name

all her helpers helped april to escape with NO fault, no debt, no nothing...and this has set a horrid example

~~~~~~~ Regarding ad only sites?? I think they were a bad idea, and anyone with a head for business would say the same

a lot of sites did what april did...either went to ads only....or opened an ad site to shuffle debt too..very sneaky...some use smoke and mirror to hide the fact they are ads only....like annies....
april used her ads site to keep her failed real site going a bit longer...as such it is tainted

I think ptp sites should not even traffic with ads only sites....the combo just brings down the prices of ptr even more....it is going to get ridiculous

[AnI4AnI]

I was there, too as was many others, and if you had such a problem, why didn't you say something then? Or is it more convenient now to try to distort things and make personal attacks out of spite? I'm not the one who invested thousands of MEMEBER'S EARNINGS in some fly-by-night illegal ponzi-scam....AND LOST IT, am I? I'm not the one who owes thousands of dollars to members. I'm not the one getting further and further behind on payouts. As YIA said in the other thread, it just shows you don't know how to maintain cash flow or operate a legitimate business. You are making a profit off the backs of others who are being held hostage to their earnings. You have members over a barrell. They can't sneeze without worrying about not getting paid, can they? And then we have the fan-clan who will jump over cliffs for people like you. YIA is right, you are following the path of all the other scams out there that ended up disappearing or closing down....and some that prefer to linger on month after month ripping people off, lining their own pockets while blaming everyone else for their failure to pay.

Whatever.

[michaellaskey]

Cheri,
You are correct, And I do apologize for getting off the thread topic here, And I do agree with the point(s) you made while opening this thread.. Again, My aplogies on this one :)


This thread should not be about me or mike or ani or whatever..it should be about sluffing off failed sites and letting the wm run free.....which is what happened here

[Ed 20002]

I disagree, none of Georgina's sites should be boycotted or placed on the watch list. Georgina has done nothing wrong, Georgina has said from the start there will be changes good and bad at AGA's. I see the changes for the better and I will continue with the new site.

I for one am glad she is giving it a go and trying to give us members something in return. No one ever needs to stay at a site they don't want to be part of.

I haven't seen anyone post anything that Georgina has done wrong in any of her sites for this request to even continue? Where's the complaints from any of her members to justify putting any of her sites on the watch list or boycott list? I've never read any complaints anywhere that has to do with any of her sites. This is nothing but a bogus request and I feel it should be stopped.

Ed

[freecashspace]

I haven't seen anyone post anything that Georgina has done wrong in any of her sites for this request to even continue? Where's the complaints from any of her members to justify putting any of her sites on the watch list or boycott list? I've never read any complaints anywhere that has to do with any of her sites. This is nothing but a bogus request and I feel it should be stopped.

EdIs it a requirement that for a program to be added to the boycott or watch lists, all complaints must come from members of the program?

How can you say you've never read any complaints anywhere, and that you haven't seen anyone post anything, when the complaints and posts are right here in this thread?

You may not agree with those complaints, but does that mean the complaints are 'bogus' and that the thread should be closed?

Cheers,

Wil

[wagdoll]

I for one am glad she is giving it a go and trying to give us members something in return. No one ever needs to stay at a site they don't want to be part of.

Yes, I think many Ays supporters say the same thing...

With respect, Ed, I think people have explained their reasons for the complaints quite well and they are not imho 'bogus'.

I do feel some of the comments on Georgina's sites on the rude side, I disagree about the ads only sites. But I do agree that when April's site debt was transferred to the ads only site it became a legitimate concern. If the Aprils main site had just gone to ads only it would have been boycotted surely? Instead of making that site ads only they just 'forced' members to put their earnings into the ads site and moved it there. Thus the ads site becomes part of April's deception and mistreatment of members.

When Tony took over April I don't think he should be forgiven for taking on such a thing. I don't think any site owner who takes on those year late sites and then prolongs the agony or zeroes earnings should be immune from boycott simply because they are a nice new owner and it's not their fault - it becomes something to do with them when they make the decision to take over the problem from someone else. Do we want this to be a precedent? Site one gets a year behind on payouts because of massive mismanagement, of course the site gets removed from most of the ptp sites approved lists, and members cant redeem for anything with good results, so instead move the cash to an ads only site as ads there and hey presto, now the members can redeem their earnings for the ptp ads and another site can take the burden of converting the earnings into cash.

Then the new owner doesn't want the stigma of the past and decides to change the domain name... I don't think you can blame people for being mad at this - they don't want the site to lose it's stigma, they want others to remember what happened! Remember the $750,000 debt to members that April racked up and kept pretending all was good and she would pay (she never did in any meaning though did she... she just passed the buck)

I just put that forward for an opposing but imho valid point of view. I don't feel about Georgina the way I felt about Tony or April. I'm on the fence right now just feeling that both 'sides' have a right to their opinions and that a mod here shouldn't be trying to tell one party to stop their 'bogus' complaints because he likes the site and the owner :\

[Ed 20002]

I see exactly what's being said, Georgina took over AGA's and now because she's giving it a new look and new name anything that Georgina owns should be added to the watch list or added to the boycott list. If someone other than April originally owned this site this might not be discussed right now.

That's wrong, I haven't seen Georgina do anything wrong but want to go forward with a new name and look.

Ed

[wagdoll]

Ahh so Webber gets an attack of the guilts and tells his members he is sooo sorry for what he's done to them, and if they want, they can now put their earnings into his mate's ads only site. The new guy has never done anything wrong except take on Webber's debt. We should sit here and thank him and anyone who sees him as part of the problem is making 'bogus' complaints?

[Ed 20002]

Point is, Georgina has done nothing wrong and why should she be punished by having her sites put on the watch list or boycott list. No one put a knife to Georgina's back and said you now own AGA's, give her a shot and let her prove herself before people start making complaints.

I am a member of AGA's and will continue being a member of the new site. Why, because I've had some good results.

Ed

[AnI4AnI]

The only possible way Tony or Georgiana could elevate themselves to a point where they wouldn't have to worry about being boycotted or put on the Watch List is if they had of paid April's debt. Anything less is nothing more than a farce and an insult to our intelligence.

Fine, if someone wants to take over a debt-ridden site. PAY THE DEBTS!!! If you don't then don't complain when it all comes back to haunt you!

I can't believe how simple these concepts are yet people want to make them enormously complicated.

[AnI4AnI]

Ed, in all due fairness, you shouldn't be on any panel here at GPTB making decisions about this site since you have a vested interest.

[Ed 20002]

Ed, in all due fairness, you shouldn't be on any panel here at GPTB making decisions about this site since you have a vested interest.

I get it, I'm posting saying I think it's wrong what's being done here because I haven't seen Georgina do anything wrong and because I'm a mod I shouldn't be part of this?

I'm giving my input because Georgina hasn't done anything wrong and until that ever happens this shouldn't be going on.

Ed

[AnI4AnI]

It's a matter of opinion whether or not she has done anything wrong. Are you refusing to accept other people's opinions as valid just because yours differs?

Wagdoll explained it perfectly, Ed. Please, as a mod you should step back and look at it from various angles. I know that's next to impossible when you have a vested interest in a site but...if you're a mod, then....you know...that's important.

[metiff]

Fine, if someone wants to take over a debt-ridden site. PAY THE DEBTS!!! If you don't then don't complain when it all comes back to haunt you!



Exactly what debt does Georgina owe? She took over an ads only site. It never had debt.

And don't go saying people transferred earnings from a paying site to the ads site because that's all they could do. They were given another option from Tony. No one knew he was going to pull a runner so no one should have felt like they HAD to.

When they did transfer AFTER THEY CHOSE TO they transferred at a HUGE multiplier so they could use it quickly.

So taking the fact that the debt had been transferred from AprilGolds while April still owned GoldenAds, therefore it was no different then if Georgina had taken over any other ads site---there is still NO debt.

I understand what you are saying about Tony, and I agree. He took that site on knowing full well what the situation was...he is responsible for the debt. But again I submit to you, how can an ads only site have debt?

And better then that---if there was debt, considering there was a multiplier used when the money switched from AprilGolds to Golden---what do you suggest Georgina do about it now? She has absolutely no way of knowing what their original account balance was. She was not the owner during the transfer and she has NO way to access anything from AprilGolds.

I still say this is nothing more then witch hunt and there is no debt that she should pay because it is an ADS ONLY site, which is clearly marked on the homepage and ads only sites DO NOT HAVE DEBT.

Tiff

[freecashspace]

No, you're saying you don't think Georgina's done anything wrong. Obviously others don't agree. That's why there have been complaints posted here in this thread. Complaints which you've described as 'bogus' because you don't happen to agree with them.

I agree with AnI. I don't think it's appropraite for a GPTBoycott forum mod to say that people's complaints are bogus and that the thread should be closed just because he doesn't agree with the complaints.

You believe Georgina has done nothing wrong.

Others believe that anybody who takes over a program from a known scammer is doing something wrong. April Gold is one of the biggest scammers in this industry. Taking over one of her programs is obviously going to involve repercussions. I'm not sure that should include being listed on the boycott or watch lists, but I don't see why the issue shouldn't be discussed. This is a discussion forum, right?

Cheers,

Wil

[metiff]

Not that this discussion matters now due to the following admin that was to sent to all members of AprilsGoldenAds.



I say sorry to all members of AprilsGoldenAds this has to happen, but
some people seem to think I have hidden motives for AprilsGoldenAds.
So I need to set them straight It saddens me that it has to be the
members who suffer because of a few. I have nothing but respect for
all my members and have done nothing but try my best to give them what
I thought they might like or need.


Well I have deleted the member database from the new site that was to
be AprilsGoldenAds new home.

AprilsGoldenAds will be shut down July 12, 2005 .

Any members who wishes to keep their AprilsGoldenAds account can sign
up to Golden-Advertising.com of thier own free will. Please use your
old user name so I can give you your cash and points earned since I
took over the AprilsGoldenAds and your upgrade if you had one.
and email me here if you have any questions. support@golden-advertising.com

You will have your newly earned points and cash sent to Golden-Advertising.

Any upgraded member will stay as an upgraded member with the new
bennies that we discussed in the AprilsGoldenAds members forum.

All members who transfer your advertising will go with you. All ads
will STOP SENDING on AprilsGoldenAds and continue on
Golden-Advertising. All new traffic will be going through
Golden-Advertising.com

All ads bought at AprilsGoldenAds will be set up and sent on Golden-Advertising.

There will be no database transfer again form AprilsGoldenAds to
Golden-Advertising.

If you are a member and wish to stay on as me as your Webmistress I
would love to have you on Golden-Advertising. If not, I am sorry to
see you go.

All members have until July 5, 2005 to transfer across as of July 12,
2005 AprilsGoldenAds doors will close for good.

All old debt from AprilsGoldenAds stay with AprilsGoldenAds. I will
not have people accussing me of transfering old debt from one site to
another. Any cash or points earned while I was owner of
AprilsGoldenAds will come to Golden-Advertising for those members who
choose to sign up at the new site, your upgrades and advertising will be moved over for
those who request it. Once I have all earnings straight all back ups
of members info from AprilsGoldenAds will be destroyed.

This is the post that made me decide to make these changes:

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10700&page=1&pp=15

I hope to see many of you on Golden-Advertising thank you for the opertunity to be your
webmistress and friend I will respect what ever choice you make!

You can get a hold of me threw
Members Forum - edited for privacy
Yahoo - edited for privacy
MSN - edited for privacy
AIM - edited for privacy
Email me - edited for privacy

Your Friend &
Webmistress
Georgina Jarvis


So now in my opinion this complaint can be closed. The new site is just that a new site. The offer to members to keep their upgrades is NO different then when Zombie Master offered people in his signature "Scammed by April-have a screen shot pm me? and he was offering people who had not gotten payment something over at ZombiePTR. This is no different then when Priestes or others offer people free ads when a site gets their SAS approval removed and people have paid for ads. It's someone trying to do something nice for members...

Members will benefit in no way from previous earnings at AGA, only the points and earnings they accumulated since Georgina took over the site...so HER debt is going with HER and the previous debt is going to go with the site and be left to die.


Tiff

editted to add: when I said debt I guess I should have said member's ad dollars and/or earnings aquired since she took over the site since there isn't actually debt with an ads only site. However, debt sums it up so nicely. I just didn't want to leave that hanging so someone could say "but you said ads only sites don't have debt."

[Ed 20002]

It's a matter of opinion whether or not she has done anything wrong. Are you refusing to accept other people's opinions as valid just because yours differs?

Wagdoll explained it perfectly, Ed. Please, as a mod you should step back and look at it from various angles. I know that's next to impossible when you have a vested interest in a site but...if you're a mod, then....you know...that's important.

I do have a right, not as a mod but as a satisifed member of AGAs and this is how I am looking at it.

I haven't seen anyone show proof that Georgina has done anything wrong?

Georgina is trying to give us something from an Ads only site, a future with the site.

Ed

[freebiesite]

I see exactly what's being said, Georgina took over AGA's and now because she's giving it a new look and new name anything that Georgina owns should be added to the watch list or added to the boycott list. If someone other than April originally owned this site this might not be discussed right now.

That's wrong, I haven't seen Georgina do anything wrong but want to go forward with a new name and look.

Ed

I dont know you and never saw you here, but i dont respect any mod for jumping in and trying to stop a discussion...I think you should qualify if you are posting as a mod or as a member of her site?

as for this deal? I think it sets a bad precedent...because things like aprils transfer was allowed to happen, other failed sites can and will do the same...changing names, shifting databases..when does it stop? The whole steve allen mess is another case of why hot potato's suck..period

I feel that aprils ad site was specifically created to move the debt from aprils paid site...members debts were transferred..it was a sleazy move

the case of april was not small potatos...and her site was incorporated..real crimes were committed..and her helpers aided in this whether they "meant" to or not...

thanks to their "kind" takeovers, april has been able to skate away free and clear..the site is tainted by her still...to change the name and move the database is just another bad example

I feel that any site of aprils, or that was aprils, should be boycotted...aprils site should have been boycotted. There have to be some standards, some "results"...some consequences for sites that play musical chairs with the debt they racked up

[AnI4AnI]

Actually, I don't give a rat's behind about multipliers or opt-ins or whatever it is you guys are trying to sell. The entire point of all this is that people got scammed! Isn't this forum supposed to be against scams? Now we have mods defending them? Yes, Ed...Georgiana DID do something wrong. She took over a horribly mismanaged site, a site which Metiff assisted in encouraging members to stay, wait, click...where she rabidly defended April day after day...a site that owes hundreds of thousands of dollars to people...

Wow, every day things just get more and more unbelievable.

[wagdoll]

Thing is Ed, instead of just posting your opinion, by having moderator under your name, when you tell people they should stop their 'bogus' complaints you've crossed the line when their complaints are genuine to them.

It's not you having an opinion we have a problem with, it's the way you seemed to be saying your opinion outweighed everyone elses and was naturally the correct one [because you're a mod and you say so].

Others believe that anybody who takes over a program from a known scammer is doing something wrong. April Gold is one of the biggest scammers in this industry. Taking over one of her programs is obviously going to involve repercussions. I'm not sure that should include being listed on the boycott or watch lists, but I don't see why the issue shouldn't be discussed. This is a discussion forum, right?

That's how I feel too.

[metiff]

I feel that any site of aprils, or that was aprils, should be boycotted...aprils site should have been boycotted. There have to be some standards, some "results"...some consequences for sites that play musical chairs with the debt they racked up

Since there will no longer be any site that was once Aprils involved in this mix, I think you will agree that this is no longer an issue with Georgina, don't you?

Otherwise this will prove this is nothing more then a lynch mob just like I suspected.

Tiffany

[metiff]

Actually, I don't give a rat's behind about multipliers or opt-ins or whatever it is you guys are trying to sell. The entire point of all this is that people got scammed! Isn't this forum supposed to be against scams? Now we have mods defending them? Yes, Ed...Georgiana DID do something wrong. She took over a horribly mismanaged site, a site which Metiff assisted in encouraging members to stay, wait, click...where she rabidly defended April day after day...a site that owes hundreds of thousands of dollars to people...

Wow, every day things just get more and more unbelievable.


YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. Georgina did nothing of the kind. She took over an ads only site, NOT the one that owed people money. AprilsGoldenads never owed anyone a dime.

You have just proven how well you don't pay attention.

As for your not giving rat's behind about anything, obviously you don't a rat's behind about the facts.

Tiff

[AnI4AnI]

I feel that aprils ad site was specifically created to move the debt from aprils paid site...members debts were transferred..it was a sleazy move

the case of april was not small potatos...and her site was incorporated..real crimes were committed..and her helpers aided in this whether they "meant" to or not...
thanks to their "kind" takeovers, april has been able to skate away free and clear..the site is tainted by her still...to change the name and move the database is just another bad example

I feel that any site of aprils, or that was aprils, should be boycotted...aprils site should have been boycotted. There have to be some standards, some "results"...some consequences for sites that play musical chairs with the debt they racked up

I totally agree. How can anyone say Georgiana hasn't done anything wrong? How do you know for a fact, Ed that what has transpired isn't illegal? Perhaps YOU guys need to prove to US that everything was aboveboard.

[freebiesite]

I agree with ani on this..and don't forget...that by tony and georgina taking over these sites from april they helped her to "escape" the repercussions of her stupidity and/or greed

sorry I dont think that hosting costs are the reason for her failure..yes, she undersold, but she also took in money...where did it go??

she had a florida corporation..how did she sluff that off to a guy in the uk and a women in canada??

I think that aprils was one of the very worst, and by taking on her sites these people "aided and abetted" her....and as such should suffer some repercussions..they have set a horrible example..and unless it is stopped others will continute

~~~~~~~~~~ as for the new "mod" here?? I am appalled....and have used the alert button at top of form and encourage others to do the same

I really question the validity of a mod outright saying that a reasonable discussion should be stopped while admitting their own connection to the site in question??? If this continues the boycott and watch list will quickly go back to being useless again JMO

[metiff]

I totally agree. How can anyone say Georgiana hasn't done anything wrong? How do you know for a fact, Ed that what has transpired isn't illegal? Perhaps YOU guys need to prove to US that everything was aboveboard.


You must not live in the US....here we have this little thing called "Innocent until proven guilty."

And as already proven by the admin mail, nothing could be considered "wrong" about this now unless it is a lynch mob as I said earlier....April's ads only site will be left to die. What more can you possibly have to complain about with this one?

[metiff]

I agree with ani on this..and don't forget...that by tony and georgina taking over these sites from april they helped her to "escape" the repercussions of her stupidity and/or greed

sorry I dont think that hosting costs are the reason for her failure..yes, she undersold, but she also took in money...where did it go??

she had a florida corporation..how did she sluff that off to a guy in the uk and a women in canada??

I think that aprils was one of the very worst, and by taking on her sites these people "aided and abetted" her....and as such should suffer some repercussions..they have set a horrible example..and unless it is stopped others will continute

~~~~~~~~~~ as for the new "mod" here?? I am appalled....and have used the alert button at top of form and encourage others to do the same

I really question the validity of a mod outright saying that a reasonable discussion should be stopped while admitting their own connection to the site in question??? If this continues the boycott and watch list will quickly go back to being useless again JMO


Hosting was over $400 a month at Gomama. If you don't believe it, next time I talk to April I'll ask her to get a screen shot of one of her paypal payments to them.

And again.....since the site is being left to die, what else can you possibly have to say unless it's a lynch mob. You are getting exactly what you say should happen with sites..being left to die. Oh that's right unless it's you taking them over.

[Ed 20002]

I said this is all bogus because I still haven't seen anyone show that Georgina has done anything wrong, not as a mod but as a member of AGAs.

No one has shown that you've been done wrong by Georgina in any of her sites, it's all because who she aquired the site from.

Because who she aquired the site from means that she cant show an improvement.

Ed

[AnI4AnI]

Ohhhhh Metiff...I mean really...don't start with me. I'm not some timid little member waiting for a 3 dollar payout. Your bullying tactics won't work with me, girl.

I don't really care how April fanagled her mess to make it look like there was no debt. The fact is, many people think April's sites need to be closed or boycotted...at least something to warn new people about the sordid history of lies and deceit. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree, especially in this business.

[freebiesite]

Since there will no longer be any site that was once Aprils involved in this mix, I think you will agree that this is no longer an issue with Georgina, don't you?

Otherwise this will prove this is nothing more then a lynch mob just like I suspected.

Tiffany

Nope.... by taking over the site georgina helped april to escape any retribution and repercussions...and now chaning the name *yeah I would not want to have awesome aprils name on anything either tee hee...she is still keeping the member base

all in all this sets a horrible precedent

how do YOU feel about the fact that you supported and encouraged people to keep clicking, click click the site support etc...for so long?? how did any of you really think that tony could 'pull it off"?? I dont think you did, it was mathmatically impossible

the very fact april opened this sorry ads site is just more reason to boycott it....it also set a horrible precedent..for sites to open a "sister ad site" and push off their debt...no matter what you say, people were realistically feeling like they would never get paid what april owed them and they "settled" for ads ...very sad....georgina helped april...and took on those members

[freebiesite]

You must not live in the US....here we have this little thing called "Innocent until proven guilty."

And as already proven by the admin mail, nothing could be considered "wrong" about this now unless it is a lynch mob as I said earlier....April's ads only site will be left to die. What more can you possibly have to complain about with this one?

No the name will be left to die...but the memberbase was neatly transferred

also here in the usa we have some little laws about corporations..are they allowed to be shifted to other countries ? I dont think so :)

[freecashspace]

next time I talk to April I'll ask her to get a screen shot of one of her paypal payments to them.I doubt that would mean much to the many people who believe April Gold is one of the biggest liars and scammers to ever own a PTR.

Cheers,

Wil

[metiff]

Nope.... by taking over the site georgina helped april to escape any retribution and repercussions...and now chaning the name *yeah I would not want to have awesome aprils name on anything either tee hee...she is still keeping the member base

all in all this sets a horrible precedent

how do YOU feel about the fact that you supported and encouraged people to keep clicking, click click the site support etc...for so long?? how did any of you really think that tony could 'pull it off"?? I dont think you did, it was mathmatically impossible

the very fact april opened this sorry ads site is just more reason to boycott it....it also set a horrible precedent..for sites to open a "sister ad site" and push off their debt...no matter what you say, people were realistically feeling like they would never get paid what april owed them and they "settled" for ads ...very sad....georgina helped april...and took on those members



Ok-GO AHEAD AND BOYCOTT APRILSGOLDENADS.COM. Your boycott will last all of less then a month.

You are not reading the admin. AprilsGoldenAds.com is going to close.

And for those members who you say "settled" they get nothing from their earnings before Georgina took over. It's a done deal. Members are not being forced to sign up at the new site, they have been invited and if they are upgraded they get to keep if they wish and any earnings since she took over will get to go because that was under her watch.

So go ahead and boycott AprilsGoldenAds.com it will have no affect the new site because the new site has no members other then those who went and signed up. A total of 6 members now.

http://www.golden-advertising.com/pages/

Are you guys so gung ho on your lynch mob mentality that you can't read an admin mail and see you have nothing to fight for.

And do I feel guilty about asking people to hang on...yes but only because it ended up screwing April harder in the end.

Tiff

[metiff]

No the name will be left to die...but the memberbase was neatly transferred

also here in the usa we have some little laws about corporations..are they allowed to be shifted to other countries ? I dont think so :)



CAN YOU READ? CAN YOU LOOK AT A SITE? THE DATABASE WAS DELETED FROM GOLDENADVERTISING.

TRY GETTING ALL THE FACT BEFORE YOU KEEP RUNNING YOUR MOUTH---MIGHT HELP.

I spoke loud--did you finally get the point?

[wagdoll]

April used unconscionability in transmuting the cash from her debt ridden original site to ads in the ads only site.

She then offloaded part of the debt ridden corporation out of country. It has been shown that this is questionable at least, and as such I think it does deserve discussion without a mod accusing members of having bogus concerns.

April gave Georgina the reputation along with the site. We can't just pretend that never happened.

What concerns me here, isn't Georgina so much as the ramifications of doing what April did and then handing off all her problems to other people and walking off into the sunset empty handed of all the chaos she caused to so many peoples' detriment. If Georgina is suffering now, it's because of what April bequeathed to her and the responsibility Georgina took on when she accepted that bequeathal.

[AnI4AnI]

Metiff, didn't you used to say the same things in the April's threads? Lynchmobs...LOL

Since there are questions about the legalities involved with the transfers of these sites owned by April Gold, I think the burden should fall on the supporters/defenders to provide proof from authorities that nothing illegal took place. After all, you're insisting nothing untoward happened and everything is legal. Prove it.

Perhaps Freebie might be so kind as to make a phone call to her local district attorney tomorrow and ask them a couple questions..??

[wagdoll]

How long was April's site running? 15months or so? $6000 hosting is an excuse for why she was unable to pay $750,000 that she owed to the members?

So Georgina has now deleted all members that she inherited from April's travesty of justice and everything is supposed to be ok? What happened to their earnings in the ads only site - is that staying there or not? What about the ads that were changed from April's debt to ad campaigns on the ads site that Georgina took responsibility for running, where are they going to get run?

[metiff]

Metiff, didn't you used to say the same things in the April's threads? Lynchmobs...LOL

Since there are questions about the legalities involved with the transfers of these sites owned by April Gold, I think the burden should fall on the supporters/defenders to provide proof from authorities that nothing illegal took place. After all, you're insisting nothing untoward happened and everything is legal. Prove it.

Perhaps Freebie might be so kind as to make a phone call to her local district attorney tomorrow and ask them a couple questions..??

By all means, the law only goes your way when you want it to right? Since the question in any legal case...criminal or civil it's up to the people prosecuting aka the plaintiff's side to prove their case. If the government doesn't want to do anything then there is no plaintiff. Unless you consider yourself high enough in this world to demand a jury take this case.

If Cheri wants to make a phone call, go ahead. I did nothing wrong. So go ahead and call. I really don't care. But I still can't get over how you fail to read and comprehend. It just amazes me you think you can dictate how everyone thinks and what everyone does, but you WIN and you don't even stop. April's ads only site is going to be left to die.......

[wagdoll]

You are not reading the admin. AprilsGoldenAds.com is going to close.

And for those members who you say "settled" they get nothing from their earnings before Georgina took over. It's a done deal. Members are not being forced to sign up at the new site, they have been invited and if they are upgraded they get to keep if they wish and any earnings since she took over will get to go because that was under her watch.

Can you please explain to us exactly what you mean here? Georgina is closing the site without any recompense to the members? What is happening to the ads that were sent there from April's debt?

When Georgina took over didn't she also take on the responsibility of providing the ads that were previously members' earnings in April's original site? Is she just washing her hands of that or am I misunderstanding and misreading?

[AnI4AnI]

Gee, sounds like somebody's running scared now, huh Freebie? I thought they didn't do anything wrong.

[metiff]

How long was April's site running? 15months or so? $6000 hosting is an excuse for why she was unable to pay $750,000 that she owed to the members?

So Georgina has now deleted all members that she inherited from April's travesty of justice and everything is supposed to be ok? What happened to their earnings in the ads only site - is that staying there or not? What about the ads that were changed from April's debt to ad campaigns on the ads site that Georgina took responsibility for running, where are they going to get run?



As stated in the admin mail GoldenAds will die. It will be just like Georgina never owned and April closed it. All the ad cash that was transferred will be left to die with GoldenAds like it would have if April walked away. The only thing Georgina is moving is what was added since she took the site on...as stated in the admin.

And yes because the database has been erased I do expect to be ok. There is no connection between the two any further then when someone like Priestes has offerred to run ads for a person when the site they bought ads on loses their approval or like when ZombieMaster was offering people stuff in his signature.

Tiff

edited because I forgot 2 words


EDITED AGAIN BECAUSE I HIT THE EDIT BUTTON AND NOT THE REPLY BUTTON--DOH!

[Ed 20002]

Oh wait a minute, so because I'm a satified member of AGA's I have no right to post here?

Everyone wants to make sure that all posts made here are to be against Georgina and her sites so that an example is made to all who takes over someones site in hopes they will make it work?

I have every right to post here as anyone of you here, not as a mod but as a MEMBER.

A SATISFIED MEMBER.

And in between posting here I still did what I was supposed to do as a mod, I moved a post to the trash can for having an incorrect title.

Ed

[AnI4AnI]

As stated in the admin mail GoldenAds will die. It will be just like Georgina never owned and April closed it. All the ad cash that was transferred will be left to die with GoldenAds like it would have if April walked away. The only thing Georgina is moving is what was added since she took the site on...as stated in the admin.

And yes because the database has been erased I do expect to be ok. There is no connection between the two any further

Preserving.

[AnI4AnI]

Nobody said you didn't have a right to post here, Ed but you have a vested interest in the site. That makes you biased...and you are a mod here...that is a conflict of interest, especially if you have a say in the Watch List process or Boycott process.

People need to be impartial when making decisions like that.

[metiff]

How long was April's site running? 15months or so? $6000 hosting is an excuse for why she was unable to pay $750,000 that she owed to the members?


I wanted to address this part, I'm sure that the hosting wasn't that much when she opened--there would have been no reason. So I don't want you to think that it was that high the entire time, but it was higher then what Cheri estimated.

As for why she couldn't pay the roughly the $200,000 that was the debt (the last time I saw it anyway) it was due to mismanagement and selling the ads too cheap. That is pretty evident and I never said that she didn't.

I didn't come until the problems started with Aprils and I tried to help the best I could with ideas and time. (And it started with sustainable ad pricing)

Anyway I wanted to clear that up,

Tiff

[metiff]

Preserving.


Sorry for that, I was trying to quote part of the thing of Wagdoll's in my post and instead of hitting quote I hit edit. I returned that post to it's former self--from the best I could tell and then added the additional information to an add'l post. I apologize for that error.

[wagdoll]

Oh wait a minute, so because I'm a satified member of AGA's I have no right to post here?

Everyone wants to make sure that all posts made here are to be against Georgina and her sites so that an example is made to all who takes over someones site in hopes they will make it work?

I have every right to post here as anyone of you here, not as a mod but as a MEMBER.

A SATISFIED MEMBER.

And in between posting here I still did what I was supposed to do as a mod, I moved a post to the trash can for having an incorrect title.

Ed

No one said you couldn't post your opinions? But I am concerned you are making that accusation in bold when all we are trying to do is discuss the points and ramifications on various levels.

[freecashspace]

I have every right to post here as anyone of you here, not as a mod but as a MEMBER.

A SATISFIED MEMBER.Moderators shouldn't say complaints are 'bogus' just because they don't happen to agree with them.

If you don't think there's anything wrong with taking over a program run by a liar and a scammer, that's fine, and you should feel free to say so whether you're a mod or not. Others have different opinions, and they should be allowed to post here as well, without being told their complaints are 'bogus.'

Cheers,

Wil

[Ed 20002]

Nobody said you didn't have a right to post here, Ed but you have a vested interest in the site. That makes you biased...and you are a mod here...that is a conflict of interest, especially if you have a say in the Watch List process or Boycott process.

People need to be impartial when making decisions like that.

Here it is again and as a member only.

I don't see any evidence given that any of Georgina's sites have done anything wrong nor should be added to the boycott list or the watch list.

I'm gonna jump on out of here as I have a few things I need to do before heading off to bed.

Happy posting and a good day to all.

Ed

[AnI4AnI]

I haven't seen any evidence that what Georgiana, April and Tony did WASN'T illegal, Ed.

[metiff]

I haven't seen any evidence that what Georgiana, April and Tony did WASN'T illegal, Ed.


Ahhh, but again---it's innocent until proven guilty.

Do I personally think Tony is liable for that debt---you bet. Do I think we will ever see a penny---NOPE.

However, since Georgina owes not one person one penny--I can't see how you say she has done anything illegal.

Like I said, if you are so gung ho on this one, bring a lawsuit! But it's not up to anyone to prove anything to you. It's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

[freecashspace]

I'd say the best bet would be to contact the Florida Attorney General's office. In many cases it mightn't do much good -- so many scams, limited resources. etc. -- but occasionally they do go after some of these online scammers.

Cheers,

Wil

[AnI4AnI]

Wouldn't "aiding and abetting the cover-up of a crime" be a crime?

[metiff]

Wouldn't "aiding and abetting the cover-up of a crime" be a crime?


I never covered anything up. Since you are so big on proof, have any proof of that?

I do think aiding and abetting a cover up would be more like shredding documents etc. I certainly didn't do that since I have never been to Florida in my life, let alone Miami.

However, I would like to see how you figured I covered anything up, and of course I need to see your proof. Without proof...well then it's all hot air.

[freecashspace]

And do I feel guilty about asking people to hang on...yes but only because it ended up screwing April harder in the end.You think April was the one who got screwed? Interesting concept.

She ran up a $200,000 debt (your figure) and then walked away without paying. She lied through her teeth, and as far as I could tell, she kept selling ads at unsustainable prices right up until the end. Not to mention the treatment she and others dished out to those who didn't think what she was doing was so "awesome."

So how exactly do you figure she was the one who got screwed?

Cheers,

Wil

[cybertongue]

Point is, Georgina has done nothing wrong and why should she be punished by having her sites put on the watch list or boycott list. No one put a knife to Georgina's back and said you now own AGA's, give her a shot and let her prove herself before people start making complaints.

I am a member of AGA's and will continue being a member of the new site. Why, because I've had some good results.

Ed

If you're a member of the program being discussed in this thread, then you have zero business modding it.

[cybertongue]

But somehow you managed to think that April herself was NOT liable for the debt, even before she gave the site to Tony.

I'm sorry, but you (yes, you) are NO better than the other lying scammers you consorted with for so long (and probably still do).

Ahhh, but again---it's innocent until proven guilty.

Do I personally think Tony is liable for that debt---you bet. Do I think we will ever see a penny---NOPE.

However, since Georgina owes not one person one penny--I can't see how you say she has done anything illegal.

Like I said, if you are so gung ho on this one, bring a lawsuit! But it's not up to anyone to prove anything to you. It's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

[Ed 20002]

If you're a member of the program being discussed in this thread, then you have zero business modding it.

Never once did it come from me that I was modding this thread, I made it clear that I was posting as a member.

And if anyone would have taken that extra minute and checked you would see that I am one of the mods for the Referral Center here in the forum and nowhere else.

Again, the only thing that Georgina has tried to do is take AGA's forward with a new name and new look. All of a sudden Georgina is a bad person because of this and you people want to make her other sites pay.

No one has yet to show Georgina has done anything wrong with any of her sites for this boycott, watch list request to continue. Where's the proof?

Thank you.

Ed

[cybertongue]

Since when did anyone need to post proof of their opinion? That doesn't make a bit of sense.

[Ed 20002]

Since when did anyone need to post proof of their opinion? That doesn't make a bit of sense.

If this was being discussed in another thread then I wouldn't be saying show proof. This is being discussed in the Suggest A Program To Boycott thread and I always thought members needed to show proof for having a site placed on the boycott list. No proof has been shown here so why should this request continue?

Maybe the OP should request that this be moved to the discussion thread, otherwise someone should show proof that Georgina has done something wrong with any of her sites.

[cybertongue]

If this was being discussed in another thread then I wouldn't be saying show proof. This is being discussed in the Suggest A Program To Boycott thread and I always thought members needed to show proof for having a site placed on the boycott list. No proof has been shown here so why should this request continue?

Maybe the OP should request that this be moved to the discussion thread, otherwise someone should show proof that Georgina has done something wrong with any of her sites.

Well, just the fact that debt was transferred from AGPTR to AGA is a problem in my mind because that debt *should* have been handled at the program, whether by April or by Tony.

Secondly, Georgina played a part in pulling the wool over AGPTR members eyes when the poo started hitting the fan there. She assisted in perpetuating the scam, which resulted in thousands of people losing not only money but also time spent clicking for nothing.

Once AGPTR finally went belly up, she should have just washed her hands of the whole fiasco and been done with it. She had other programs of her own to deal with, so it was completely unnecessary for her to once again affiliate herself with April by taking over AGA. But she did so, and now, whether she was revamping to rid herself of that affiliation or to help absolve April of any further responsibility (by still having an up and running program that had been covered by her incorporation) is irrelevent. She took on that responsibility. If there are reprocussions for that, she's going to have to deal with them just like any other mature adult would.

Point is, if anyone feels that this particular program should be boycotted, that's on them. It's their right to feel that way, and it's the right of the owners of this forum to decide whether it happens.

[AnI4AnI]

Ed, you might not be modding this thread, you might be posting as a member but your presence in this thread may intimidate people, and your comments about our comments being "bogus" were inappropriate, and your unyeilding support of Geogiana and your vested interest are all matters of great concern since it's this exact thing that winds up hindering progress rather than helping it.

You should know better than to start "demanding proof" of wrongdoing. No one has specific details except whoever happens to be working behind closed doors and has access to payment and database and day-to-day operations information. That applies in any case. We were never required to "show proof" before that a PO was doing wrong. We know we need to submit valid complaints and in many people's minds, these ARE valid...very, very valid concerns.

The deviousness that went on with April, Metiff, Georgiana, Tony and whoever else was involved is significant proof that any programs ANY of these people are affiliated with should be automatically boycotted. This isn't a forum for your personal favorites. It represents a worldwide, collective voice of protest against fraud.

[freecashspace]

What proof is needed that hasn't been given.

The program was owned by April Gold, one of the biggest scammers in the PTR 'industry'. Now it's owned by Georgina. These are facts, not opinions.

The issue is -- should programs owned by known scammers be added to the boycott or watch lists after the program has been given or sold to somebody else?

Should other programs owned by the new owner also be added to the boycott or watch lists?

Does it matter whether or not the new owner was previously unaffiliated with the program and its previous owner, or if they were an active participant in the scam?

I think these are issues worth discussing. And I think they're directly relevant to the question of whether or not any or all of Georgina's programs should be put on the watch list.

I wonder, if Golden Ads (or any other program you're currently a member of) did end up on the Boycott List, would you -- a moderator at the GPTBoycott forum -- boycott it?

Cheers,

Wil

[freebiesite]

I said this is all bogus because I still haven't seen anyone show that Georgina has done anything wrong, not as a mod but as a member of AGAs.

No one has shown that you've been done wrong by Georgina in any of her sites, it's all because who she aquired the site from.

Because who she aquired the site from means that she cant show an improvement.

Ed


Ed... I checked out the sites you promote

and I honestly have to question your experience and judgement when it comes to ptr and getting paid online???

Jenny's dream looks like a piece of junk to me, sorry...I would never run an ad for a site like that..bubbles are a fools game

and that particular bubble is really silly since it says

Why Not Do A Search To Help Jenny?

ummm....once the click fraud squad sees that..wowsers

frankly jenny's dream looks very bad

recently Rob made a new and welcomed rule..that bad/boycotted sites could not be in sig lines/promoted here

as a mod you really should watch what you promote....Jenny's dream, a bubble that is begging for searches and has a nifty casino ad smacked onto it...really is not something that is good JMO

http://www.yourbubble.com/bubble/bubble22n4i6/index.php?ref=xxxx

edited by freebie to remove a referral url ..sorry bout that

[AnI4AnI]

You should omit the referral number in that link, Freebie. ;)

[freebiesite]

[QUOTE=metiff]Not that this discussion matters now due to the following admin that was to sent to all members of AprilsGoldenAds.



I say sorry to all members of AprilsGoldenAds this has to happen, but
some people seem to think I have hidden motives for AprilsGoldenAds.
So I need to set them straight It saddens me that it has to be the
members who suffer because of a few. I have nothing but respect for
all my members and have done nothing but try my best to give them what
I thought they might like or need.


Well I have deleted the member database from the new site that was to
be AprilsGoldenAds new home.

AprilsGoldenAds will be shut down July 12, 2005 .

Any members who wishes to keep their AprilsGoldenAds account can sign
up to Golden-Advertising.com of thier own free will. Please use your
old user name so I can give you your cash and points earned since I
took over the AprilsGoldenAds and your upgrade if you had one.
and email me here if you have any questions. support@golden-advertising.com

You will have your newly earned points and cash sent to Golden-Advertising.

Any upgraded member will stay as an upgraded member with the new
bennies that we discussed in the AprilsGoldenAds members forum.

All members who transfer your advertising will go with you. All ads
will STOP SENDING on AprilsGoldenAds and continue on
Golden-Advertising. All new traffic will be going through
Golden-Advertising.com

All ads bought at AprilsGoldenAds will be set up and sent on Golden-Advertising.

There will be no database transfer again form AprilsGoldenAds to
Golden-Advertising.

If you are a member and wish to stay on as me as your Webmistress I
would love to have you on Golden-Advertising. If not, I am sorry to
see you go.

All members have until July 5, 2005 to transfer across as of July 12,
2005 AprilsGoldenAds doors will close for good.

All old debt from AprilsGoldenAds stay with AprilsGoldenAds. I will
not have people accussing me of transfering old debt from one site to
another. Any cash or points earned while I was owner of
AprilsGoldenAds will come to Golden-Advertising for those members who
choose to sign up at the new site, your upgrades and advertising will be moved over for
those who request it. Once I have all earnings straight all back ups
of members info from AprilsGoldenAds will be destroyed.

This is the post that made me decide to make these changes:

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10700&page=1&pp=15

I hope to see many of you on Golden-Advertising thank you for the opertunity to be your
webmistress and friend I will respect what ever choice you make!

You can get a hold of me threw
Members Forum - edited for privacy
Yahoo - edited for privacy
MSN - edited for privacy
AIM - edited for privacy
Email me - edited for privacy

Your Friend &
Webmistress
Georgina Jarvis


So now in my opinion this complaint can be closed. The new site is just that a new site. The offer to members to keep their upgrades is NO different then when Zombie Master offered people in his signature "Scammed by April-have a screen shot pm me? and he was offering people who had not gotten payment something over at ZombiePTR. This is no different then when Priestes or others offer people free ads when a site gets their SAS approval removed and people have paid for ads. It's someone trying to do something nice for members...

Members will benefit in no way from previous earnings at AGA, only the points and earnings they accumulated since Georgina took over the site...so HER debt is going with HER and the previous debt is going to go with the site and be left to die.


Tiff
QUOTE]


Maybe some of us have overlooked this post *frankly I think the new mod got me offtrack here LOL...

but...this post of tiff's does seem to say that the old aprilsgolden ads is being allowed to die it's rightful death, and that georgina is opening the new one without the database, offering them to "join" ??

I think that is a reasonable compromise ...so if this is true I do applaud it

I really feel that setting examples like this is important, thanks to this others may think twice before trying to "pull an april"....closing out aprils site/name is a great move!

[ladyrainne]

I think Georgina's decision is an excellent one. I was a member of AGA for a looong time. I have a TON of ad cash stashed there. I had become inactive because the results were absolutley horrible. I had even removed the site from my bookmarks, hoping I would just forget about it and be painlessly deleted for inactivity.

All these threads popping up though, reminded me that I'm a member. I've decided to go and join Georgina's new site. Give her a chance. She has always been the nicest of the helpers at April's forums (sorry to the rest) and I think she will put in an honest effort to improve things.

Maybe starting over will be the best thing for this site. Hopefully some of the more active members will choose to stay, so it will weed out the mostly dead userbase. And maybe, since there is no longer any debt involved, and no trace of April, maybe Golden-Advertising will be able to get SAS and Wolf approval. That will draw in more members.

I hope Georgina's new site will be successful despite all this trouble.

[metiff]

I have to admit, I am sad to see AGA die. Not because it has any attachment to April. It's purely a personal issue. I was one of the first managers. I was working with another person who had CC script experience and together we busted our butts to get that site up and going, and doing all the set up etc. So yes, it does make me sad to see it close, but I agree it's for the best.

I know Georgina will continue to do a good job. I have to say, even though her other sites are small the click through is AMAZING for a small site. I am sure she will do great and I agree that hopefully the new site can be approved for all the sites (like SAS, Wolf etc.)because I don't think there would be any reason to keep it off the approved list.

Tiff

[freecashspace]

I really feel that setting examples like this is important, thanks to this others may think twice before trying to "pull an april"....closing out aprils site/name is a great move!I agree that this is definately a step in the right direction, Cheri.

I think the industry will be a lot better off without scammers like April, and also when people realise that it doesn't really help to try to 'save' the programs run by scammers when they decide it's time to bail out and move on to scam other people in other ways.

Cheers,

Wil

[isnake]

The debt from april golds was also shuffled to this ad site..I think that this is reason enough to list it, just as april was listed and should have been boycotted


People choose to move their value to the site.
That was a way of paying debt, so the ones that choose that option have somehow been compensated. People didn't haveto choose that option, there were other options.

I personally think that all sites owned by freebiesite should be boycotted, because he makes attacks to other people and sites that are uncalled for. Which must mean that he can't be a good website owner himself, because those would not be active trying to give a bad name to the industry they are working in. And many a time I have seen people attacking other people just so that they would not see the wrongdoings of the person attacking himself.

Personal attack edited
Stop attacking Georgina
She cannot help it that April was not able to keep her site running well.
April tried and failed, but that failure was Aprils failure. And no-one elses

[isnake]

Oh and some other point....
Why do people who have tried and failed get attacked a lot harder than people who never tried to do well and were just trying to scam people.

It looks like it is better to start a real scam than to try to do well and somehow not succeed in that.

It would be time that people start thinking a bit here.
But for some that seems to be too hard ?

[Ed 20002]

"this post is not the view of GPTBoycott.Com, but myself as a person and individual"

Personal attack edited
Stop attacking Georgina
She cannot help it that April was not able to keep her site running well.
April tried and failed, but that failure was Aprils failure. And no-one elses

I totally agree with you isnake and I'm glad you stopped by and posted here.

It's threads like these that hurt honest PO's, here we do have an honest PO and in my opinion shouldn't have had to deal with something like this. Especially when no one submitted any proof of wrong doing with her sites.

I guess that's why they aren't on the Boycott or Watch Lists.

Ed

[freecashspace]

The other options April offered didn't include paying members what she owed them. As best I can remember, one of the options was to be paid 1% of earnings, but even then I'm not sure if that was supposed to be an immediate payment or a 'maybe someday when I've got the money' payment.

What happened with April (and many others) goes far beyond trying and failing. We all fail. It's a part of life. You can try to ensure that you never fail by never trying anything, but that's still a form of failure. The thing about April (and many others) is they refuse to accept responsibility for their failures. April didn't just fail to create a successful PTR, she also failed to pay a lot of people the money she owed them. And instead of dealing with that failure (by failing for bankruptcy for instance) she gave it all away and washed her hands of it. Somebody explain to me again how that doesn't make her a scammer?

As for Georgina's involvement, from what I've been reading the biggest issue people have is simply that she took over the site from April. That was her choice. If you don't believe that's a reason for being added to the Watch List, that's fine. But why can't you present your argument without insulting people?

Cheers,

Wil

[AnI4AnI]

I agree with Wil on this, Ed and find it rather alarming you as a mod are not more concerned about members condemning others who are trying to make a difference, than you are about a site you're partial to because you "get good results." It's this kind of tunnel-vision attitude that greatly assisted in putting PTR in the state it's currently in.

[mal138]

I don't have time to read all seven pages of posts, but I have one simple quesiton and one comment to add.

I've heard people complain about illegal transferring of site debt from one owner to another. How is it possible to have "debt" in an ads-only site?

The comment I want to make is this: yes, I got ripped off by April, at least twice. Once when PearlRewards was closed, and again when AGGP2RE closed. But at least at AGA I was getting SOMETHING. I had a huge balance that I transferred over from PearlRewards. I wasn't active at AGA, I didn't read 90% of the emails (as was the case with most members). I just wanted to use up some of my balance, even if I did only get a few clicks per day. Now, thanks to complaints about "transferring old debt", Georgina has decided to close AGA completely and start over from scratch. So instead of getting SOMETHING, now I get NOTHING.

-- Marc

[AnI4AnI]

The thing some of you are forgetting is that there were literally thousands of members and hundreds of thousands of dollars not being paid to them. It isn't about just Ed or just Mal and whatever they chose as an option. This is about the entire practice of re-opening horribly mismanaged sites or changing to ads-only! The whole thing was sneaky, shady and underhanded and we shouldn't be encouraging people to do things like that. We need to be instead, encouraging accountability. We don't even know for sure if anything that transpired was considered LEGAL in a Florida court!

[Ed 20002]

"this post is not the view of GPTBoycott.Com, but myself as a person and individual"

To all members in this thread,

Seems the question keeps popping up whether or not I have the right to be posting here, I'm not posting here as a mod as a few have had a problem with but posting as a member and former member of AGA's.

Why you ask a former member, because now I'm a member of Georgina's new site. With that I still get my upgraded benefits status plus the earnings that I earned from the time Georgina took over AGA's as Georgina has said in her Admin Update.

It was always said from the start that AGA's members would see some changes good and bad depending on how the members accepted the new changes. No member was ever told that they would be paid for any of their earnings from AGA's. AGA's had no debt, all earnings that members had were for redeeming ads from an ADS ONLY SITE nothing more.

Never once have I ever felt that I was being scammed, my privacy invaded or taken advantage of while a member of AGA's.

I for one have never seen Georgina do anything wrong and that was my whole point of posting in this thread. You can't just go and punish someone for something they haven't don't yet or will ever do. My posts speak for themselves and I feel my points has been made, Georgina is an honest PO and I will continue a member of her new site.

With all that said I wish you all a great day and happy posting as this is my last post in this thread. I feel that my posts have been heard as I'm sure you have with yours.

Ed

"this post is not the view of GPTBoycott.Com, but myself as a person and individual"

Edited to add: (member and) in first paragraph

[Dawn Michelle]

The problem I have with transferring members earnings to an ads only site is.
Not everybody advertises. So the only recourse I had was to delete my account with almost $300 in it or get $3.

[moniopt]

With all the time some of you spend here, maybe you ought to learn true affiliate marketing. Beats this Mickey Mouse industry and there is a LOT more money to be made. Then you can advertise your site in these Mickey Mouse ads only PTR programs. :p

[isnake]

As for Georgina's involvement, from what I've been reading the biggest issue people have is simply that she took over the site from April. That was her choice. If you don't believe that's a reason for being added to the Watch List, that's fine.


Taking over a site in general must be bad than...
I hear that our thread starter did the exact same thing.

Aprils Golden Ads is an ad-only site.
Tell me what debts such a site can have, apart from hosting fees ?
So unless people are part of the company that hosts the site, they cannot have any debts with it (as far as I know)

[isnake]

The problem I have with transferring members earnings to an ads only site is.
Not everybody advertises. So the only recourse I had was to delete my account with almost $300 in it or get $3.

As far as I know you could keep half your money on the site and that would be paid off as soon as there would be money. SOmething like that was one of the choices.

Yes I know that the chance of getting paid was very slim, and a few months later it showed to be non-exisistant. But if people really wanted to go for money and complain, they should have choosen exactly that option.

Moving it to an ad-only site is a choice. The Ad-only site is not being owned anymore by the site owner you did have your debt with. And the Ad-only site never had a problem and was running not too badly... So what problem is there to take over a site that is running not too badly and than try to improve it?
What is wrong about that?

[freecashspace]

The problem I have with transferring members earnings to an ads only site is.
Not everybody advertises. So the only recourse I had was to delete my account with almost $300 in it or get $3.This is how April pulled her scam. As far as I know, even people who chose the 1% option didn't actually get paid. Others had their earnings moved to AGA, with a multiplier that gave them some huge amount of monopoly money that they could spend on ads.

People that say ads-only programs have no debt are wrong. Bringing in all that play money to an ads-only program does create debt, even if it's just 'funny money.' Imagine playing a game of Monopoly and right in the middle of the game, giving half the players $1 billion in Monopoly money. It would wreck the game. It does the same with ads-only PTRs.

But anyway, April ripped off her members when she gave them those options because none of the options was 'Get Paid the Money I Owe You Right Now'.

Where does Georgina fit in? First, she took over April's program. A program that IMO should've been on the Watch list or the Boycott List anyway since it was owned by a known scammer. And second, she's closing down and essentially writing off the 'old debt.'

At least I think that's what's going on. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure these days.

Cheers,

Wil

[isnake]

The thing some of you are forgetting is that there were literally thousands of members and hundreds of thousands of dollars not being paid to them. It isn't about just Ed or just Mal and whatever they chose as an option. This is about the entire practice of re-opening horribly mismanaged sites or changing to ads-only! The whole thing was sneaky, shady and underhanded and we shouldn't be encouraging people to do things like that. We need to be instead, encouraging accountability. We don't even know for sure if anything that transpired was considered LEGAL in a Florida court!

Golden Ads already existed.
To move your earnings there was 1 of 4 options (or was it 5)
The site you id have problems with was Aprilgoldgetpaid2reademail, not Golden Ads. The site owner you had problems with was April, not Georgina.

There is a thread here for April Gold.
People should complain in that thread and not in this one about the money they think they should get from April. But than they should not have moved their earnings to an ad-only site to begin with either. You cannot get both.

So please move the discussions about the money you want or think you need to get to the April Gold thread. Since that is where your problems are/were. Not here with Georgina and Golden Ads.

Yes I know it's no use to post in that thread, the site owner is not around. But I am not going to kick one of your friends, Someone you know, or someone who has helped you in the past just because you are not around either...

[mal138]

Where does Georgina fit in? First, she took over April's program. A program that IMO should've been on the Watch list or the Boycott List anyway since it was owned by a known scammer. And second, she's closing down and essentially writing off the 'old debt.'

At least I think that's what's going on. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure these days.

Cheers,

Wil

First, when somebody takes over a "bad" site in an effort to turn it around, shouldn't they at least be given the CHANCE to turn the site around?

And second, the only reason Georgina is now closing down AGA and "writing off" all the old play debt that April had run up, is because people had a problem with her transferring member accounts (and balances) from AGA to the new golden-advertising.com domain. People complained and she basically said fine, screw it, I'll shut AGA down and start over, taking the situation from bad to worse.

Seems to me the only thing Georgina was guilty of initially was starting to send emails out from golden-advertising without making it clear to members that the entire site (and the user database) was moving from aprilsgoldenads.com to golden-advertising.com. Actually I thought she had told us that she was going to change the domain name at some point, but I too was caught off-guard when I got the first emails from golden-advertising. Is that a reason to lynch her? Personally I think not.

Unfortunately, when the complaints started, Georgina did what far too many PTR owners do -- she took it personally and instead of ignoring the criticism, made a decision that was far WORSE (imo) than the original faux pas of not letting people know that the site was moving. She is terminating our AGA accounts and old balances after telling us she was "taking over" the site from April and would allow us to continue using our balances for ads. Promising to honor the old debt was the RIGHT thing to do, but apparently others don't feel that way.

[AnI4AnI]

Actually, there is no good, legal reason why anyone would ever take over a site that 1) is affiliated with major fraud, 2) transferred debt, and 3) was never shown to have been a legal transaction.

The issues being discussed are exactly why PTR is in such poor condition, because so many people think it's all right to play hot potato, to disregard the net value of accummulated earnings and to defend, support and encourage shady deals.

There is much more to this than a few people's "good results" and for some reason I see FAR too much self-serving, all-for-me type of responses in these threads. I'd like to think there's more than a handful of people around who can see beyond their own e-gold or paypal balances and delve into the vast regions of exploitation and fraud in this industry and be willing to find out what they can do to help instead of hurt things.

Did anyone answer the question of why didn't Georgiana just start from scratch?

[freebiesite]

To address your questions isnake...yes, I took over a site from a friend, with very little debt...since then I have paid on time since sept 2004, and paid out over $23,000 to members....I put my money where my mouth is, too bad other wm never did the same....aprilgold for one

April's was NOT just any "ads only" site..this particular site was a "new' idea to slough off debt...ie, open an ads only site in addition to your debt ridden site and "offer" members a chance to transfer the debt you dont have the money to pay over there..

This was a very bad precedent and example..and following the lead of april, other sites went ads only or opened a "sister" site to transfer debt...very convenient


The fact is that the "stand" should have been made by this forum and others back when april first pulled this trick...however, it is still right to take a stand now...

Plus, by transferrring April's site, I think this helped to let april off the "hook">>> and moving a usa corporation to uk and/or canada is wrong in itself....bottom line, with the amount of money owed by april this really should be a criminal case in the usa...I dont like to see her "absolved" so easily

Unlike YOU isnake, I did not make personal slurs and/or comments about Georgina....I really do NOT appreciate your nasty and unfounded remarks about me....as far as I know Georgina may be fine...but the site she took over was not...to simply move the database and get rid of april's name is too easy on april I think...

I do applaud Georgina's decision to just start over and let april's site have its final and well deserved "end"....this also preserves the site as april's problem should this ever go to the authorities....I think Georgina did the right thing

now...maybe for a few members like isnake or ed this is not a welcome decision, but if you think about the "greater good" this is a GOOD move

I think that this sets a good example for those who would try to "bail out " a failed wm ....these sites should be left intact, complete with the blame...

there IS a HUGE difference in taking over a site with little or no debt and in taking over a site with a mound of debt...fact is the latter will JUST NOT WORK..PERIOD>...NAME ME ONE TIME IT "WORKED">>> the guy who took over april's was a fool or else a co conspirator period

other sites that tried it failed too...look at Hawaii mail fiasco....even look at what is happening with Misty and Sam's right now...it is just about impossible

yes..this was ads only...but ...in THIS case the ad only was built ON TOP of the debt that april racked up

I think it is good to just close it up....those who WANT to can join the new site anyhow...this sets a great example..

as for Ed?? I am appalled at your applauding the rude remarks isnake made about me to "get a life">>> I suggest YOU get some knowledge about this business and about how to moderate...what are YOUR qualificiations here anyhow??

plus...I think we have a rule here to not advertise crap in sig lines???...Ed...that bubble you are advertising in your sig is a darn joke...I would not take an ad for a crap deal like that....I do question the judgement and knowledge of anyone who would promote a piece of junk like that bubble

[Ed 20002]

as for Ed?? I am appalled at your applauding the rude remarks isnake made about me to "get a life">>>

PM sent to Freebiesite:

Hello freebiesite,

I just saw your post and was a little confused until I saw my quote was edited by Rob and isnakes post was also edited. So you know when I quoted what isnake said I'm guessing he/she said get a life from what you are saying and that wasn't meant to be part of my quote.

The part that I was quoting was this:

Originally Posted by isnake
Stop attacking Georgina
She cannot help it that April was not able to keep her site running well. April tried and failed, but that failure was Aprils failure. And no-one elses

Anything else that was added was by mistake and I do apologize for that.

When I saw what you posted:

Originally Posted by freebiesite
as for Ed?? I am appalled at your applauding the rude remarks isnake made about me to "get a life">>>

I went back and that's when I saw the edit:

Originally Posted by isnake
Personal attack edited
Stop attacking Georgina
She cannot help it that April was not able to keep her site running well. April tried and failed, but that failure was Aprils failure. And no-one elses

Again, I don't know how I missed the attack in my quote but it was by accident not on purpose. If I would have seen it I would have edited it myself.

Hope you accept my apology on this part?

Ed

[AnI4AnI]

Ed, are you any relation to wvufan? You bear a startling resemblence. :)

[Ed 20002]

Ed, are you any relation to wvufan? You bear a startling resemblence. :)

Nope, don't even know who that is?

[freebiesite]

PM sent to Freebiesite:

Hello freebiesite,

I just saw your post and was a little confused until I saw my quote was edited by Rob and isnakes post was also edited. So you know when I quoted what isnake said I'm guessing he/she said get a life from what you are saying and that wasn't meant to be part of my quote.

The part that I was quoting was this:



Anything else that was added was by mistake and I do apologize for that.

When I saw what you posted:



I went back and that's when I saw the edit:



Again, I don't know how I missed the attack in my quote but it was by accident not on purpose. If I would have seen it I would have edited it myself.

Hope you accept my apology on this part?

Ed

No problem...apology accepted

[isnake]

I do not know what was edited away.
But I very much doubt that it was that bad a comment anyway so I don't know why it was edited. I'd like a message from someone stating what was so wrong in what I posted. I doubt there was much there.

To address your questions isnake...yes, I took over a site from a friend, with very little debt...since then I have paid on time since sept 2004, and paid out over $23,000 to members....I put my money where my mouth is, too bad other wm never did the same....aprilgold for one


April Gold is a whole other site.
April is a whole different webmistress.
You are in the wrong threats with complaints about that


April's was NOT just any "ads only" site..this particular site was a "new' idea to slough off debt...ie, open an ads only site in addition to your debt ridden site and "offer" members a chance to transfer the debt you dont have the money to pay over there..


Aprils golden ads was an ads only site.
What the owner does with the money she earns from it is up to that owner and to no-one else. If she wants to use the money to pay of debts elsewhere, that is totally up to hers and does not affect the site she earns the money with.


This was a very bad precedent and example..and following the lead of april, other sites went ads only or opened a "sister" site to transfer debt...very convenient


I do not know if you mean the transer of funds from Aprils golden ads to APrilGold or the transfer of credits back. The first one I do not see any problem with, the second one was an option members could choose, but I already explained that. Still this is the wrong thread to dicuss AprilGoldGetPaid2read


The fact is that the "stand" should have been made by this forum and others back when april first pulled this trick...however, it is still right to take a stand now...


You cannot make a stand anymore, April is gone, she is not longer in the business. The site that had those enormous debts is no longer there. And Georgina is not the person with the debts and neither are her sides. And the new golden Ads site has even less to do with the matter.


Plus, by transferrring April's site, I think this helped to let april off the "hook">>> and moving a usa corporation to uk and/or canada is wrong in itself....bottom line, with the amount of money owed by april this really should be a criminal case in the usa...I dont like to see her "absolved" so easily


The site with the enormous money debts was AprilGoldPaid2readEmail, and this site is not and has never been owned by Georgina. So there is no reason at all to attack Georgina's site for that. This is just attacking someone else becuase he or she did have ties with that person.


Unlike YOU isnake, I did not make personal slurs and/or comments about Georgina....I really do NOT appreciate your nasty and unfounded remarks about me....as far as I know Georgina may be fine...but the site she took over was not...to simply move the database and get rid of april's name is too easy on april I think...


The problems were not with the Ads only site.
The problems were with the paid2read site.
Georgina did not take over that site.

What personal slurs did I make, Actually I did not make any other than asking people to boycott your site for your attack on this site. Because your attacks are uncalled for. You are attacking a stie and the owner of the site for something someone else did. And you call that "not personal"


I do applaud Georgina's decision to just start over and let april's site have its final and well deserved "end"....this also preserves the site as april's problem should this ever go to the authorities....I think Georgina did the right thing

now...maybe for a few members like isnake or ed this is not a welcome decision, but if you think about the "greater good" this is a GOOD move

I think that this sets a good example for those who would try to "bail out " a failed wm ....these sites should be left intact, complete with the blame...


It is not a bad decission to get rid of a site name that got a bad taste with a good number of people. Other than that I think that the whole business is overdone. But when people like you make such a big fuss over some technicallities....


there IS a HUGE difference in taking over a site with little or no debt and in taking over a site with a mound of debt...fact is the latter will JUST NOT WORK..PERIOD>...NAME ME ONE TIME IT "WORKED">>> the guy who took over april's was a fool or else a co conspirator period


That guy was not Georgina.
That site was not the site that Georgina took over.
Whatever is with that site should be talked about in the thread about that site. And that is regardless of what you think about someone taking over a site with big debts.


other sites that tried it failed too...look at Hawaii mail fiasco....even look at what is happening with Misty and Sam's right now...it is just about impossible

yes..this was ads only...but ...in THIS case the ad only was built ON TOP of the debt that april racked up


Still it was a seperate site that did not have any debts on it's own.
It was a site that earned April some cash (I assume) and she used that cash to pay debts on other places.

Or is it also illegal to take money you earn from one investment to pay off debts that you got from an other investment. That is all personal.


I think it is good to just close it up....those who WANT to can join the new site anyhow...this sets a great example..

as for Ed?? I am appalled at your applauding the rude remarks isnake made about me to "get a life">>> I suggest YOU get some knowledge about this business and about how to moderate...what are YOUR qualificiations here anyhow??

plus...I think we have a rule here to not advertise crap in sig lines???...Ed...that bubble you are advertising in your sig is a darn joke...I would not take an ad for a crap deal like that....I do question the judgement and knowledge of anyone who would promote a piece of junk like that bubble

I didn't say to you "get a life". So do not put words in my mouth that I never said. Making comments like that is "appalling"
Likely I made a comment about that you should not hit friends of someone because you dislike someone, but that in other words. I very much doubt I said something like the matter you just post here. Likely I said something like "I am not attacking your friends or anyone that helped you because of what you did" Must have been something like that because that I cannot find anywhere anymore in this thread. And if that is it it is really really really rediculous that it has been edited away. Makes me wonder about the moderator that edited it (makes me wonder where I can complain about moderators)

I can not imagine that a moderator would copy that lightly and make an error in that. So likely he had copied it consiously and had not seen any kind of personal attack in that post either. Which is not weird because there was none. At least nothing worse than is in the posts of the person that I seem to have personally attacked. I wonder what Rob must have thought.

Btw, when talking about personall attacks and rude remarks, I woudl think that your last bit of the post should be edited too than. Because that would likely be more a personal attack than the post that I made... Or the bit that was moderated away.

[wvufan68]

Ed, are you any relation to wvufan? You bear a startling resemblence. :)


Awww now AnI. Can't you see how much cuter I am than Ed? :p

I have to admit, the resemblance is uncanny though. Only the figure is shaped a little differently. :p

[AnI4AnI]

I seem to remember quite specifically that APRIL opened up the APRILSGOLDENADS site a couple months before APRILSPAID4EMAILS went belly up and she wigged out on everyone. She then apparently gave her sites away and pulled the old disappearing act.

(BTW, anyone else think it's awfully strange that most of these forum personalities, Mike and Trayse, April, and SO many more were here constantly trying desperately to convince everyone how sound and secure everything was, then when the sites went down the tubes they disappeared? I think that's appalling.)

In any event, Ed and isnake, the majority of members don't advertise. They want their earnings. They don't want to transfer anything to anywhere to redeem anything. They just want their money. Period. For many people, the GOLDENADS site was nothing but a joke and an insult from the start. April and her flock has done nothing but complicate things and use people. Anything to do with her should be harshly condemned.

If you want page views in return for page views, there are plenty of surfing programs out there. Why try to force garbage on people who obviously are trying to clean up the litter???

[AnI4AnI]

Awww now AnI. Can't you see how much cuter I am than Ed?

Yep, I sure do. ;)

[freecashspace]

One part of this whole thing I can't figure out is if April gave away all of her PTRs, why does she still have Program Owner status at GPF? Does that mean she can still read all the 'Secret Program Owners' Business' that goes on in the PO folder?

Cheers,

Wil

[AnI4AnI]

Why would they start a new precedent now, Wil? :)

[isnake]

I seem to remember quite specifically that APRIL opened up the APRILSGOLDENADS site a couple months before APRILSPAID4EMAILS went belly up and she wigged out on everyone. She then apparently gave her sites away and pulled the old disappearing act.


It was a bit longer than just a couple of months, I think it might have been a year or so but am not sure. It was a least more than half a year.
Still AprilsGoldenAds was a site that did not have a debt.
AprilsPaidEmails was a site with a big debt, and that site has a different thread. I have nowhere in the world seen any problem with people taking over a good business. Or a busines that maybe didn't do to bad.
There wasn't so much wrong with the AprilGoldenAds site.
And the AprilGoldgetpaid2read has a different thread in this forum.
If you have complaints about your debts you had from that site, go into that thread.


(BTW, anyone else think it's awfully strange that most of these forum personalities, Mike and Trayse, April, and SO many more were here constantly trying desperately to convince everyone how sound and secure everything was, then when the sites went down the tubes they disappeared? I think that's appalling.)


The last months they were saying that they April was doing anything she could to work away the long debts. And that was on points where other owners would have left log ago. While doing this the debts of the site were going down, slowly but going down. The debts were only too big to get out of it.


In any event, Ed and isnake, the majority of members don't advertise. They want their earnings. They don't want to transfer anything to anywhere to redeem anything. They just want their money. Period. For many people, the GOLDENADS site was nothing but a joke and an insult from the start. April and her flock has done nothing but complicate things and use people. Anything to do with her should be harshly condemned.


Like I said, moving your money to an ads only site was only 1 out of 4 options. If you did not want to make ads, you should not have choosen the option. Or adept your own strategy. You can advertise for other programs there or for a search site that you might be afflifiate for. Can think of more things. You could become a search site afflifiate if you are not yet.

Anything to do with her should be harshly condemned.

So if someone finds out that your boss at work has a second life in which he is a big criminal, you should be condemned too? Or if one of your friends is. Or if someone who takes over his "good running business" that has nothing to do directly with his second bad life ? Does he haveto be condemned ?
I think not.

Actually it's good to seperate the good running sites from the bad running sites or companies. Because if you do not, the good sites will go down together with the bad site. And than the members of the good running site will be loosing too, while that is not nescessary and while they can't help the problems.


If you want page views in return for page views, there are plenty of surfing programs out there. Why try to force garbage on people who obviously are trying to clean up the litter???

Autosurf sites are great for everyone but the advertiser.
Manual surf are a little better but people only look at the link or number they haveto click. I think of all 3 options, the e-mail option still gets the biggest chance that people are actually looking at the advertisements.

If you do not like ads-only sites, don't be member of it.
The thing works quite simple, you get creadits for reading and can use those for advertising. It's not that much different from autosurf or manualsurf sites that do not pay. Only gives a little better quality hits. Who needs traffic that doesn't even look at the site. Because you do not earn much with that.

There were 4 options.
If you really were wanting money in the long run and were not interested in advertising you could have choosen option d.


d.

You may agree to your Account Balance (Old Debt) being frozen, minus 50% and having your earnings re-set to Zero. Any new earnings accrued will then be added to your Current Account Balance as usual. (PLEASE SEE UPDATE REGARDING THIS OPTION BELOW)


This Option would allow us to cap the site debt, therefore prevent it from increasing. It would also allow you to start earning money again and be paid in accordance with the minimum payout as defined by your Membership level. The "Old Debt" would be removed from it's usual place in your 'Earnings Stats' and allow fresh earnings to be shown in real-time. This "Old Debt" would also be halved. (PLEASE SEE UPDATE REGARDING THIS OPTION BELOW)


And more about the option:


I just want to clarify my earlier Admin email.


100% of your existing balance will be set aside. This will allow the Program "Old Debt" to be capped and stop it from growing. This will also allow Members to earn money in real-time from New money generated by Advertising etc.

The "Old Debt" will then be available to EITHER:

1. Used for redemptions, namely advertising, upgrades etc.

OR

2. Left alone to be paid as new money comes into the Program. Each Member will have small amounts paid to them in accordance with the Payout List (which I will post here soon). When the end of the list is reached with the whole process will start again until ALL Members have been paid ALL of the monies owed to them.

Yes it will take time to achieve this, but it will happen. I know it is not the ideal solution, but it is the only realistic one available at the moment. If circumstances change, then this process will be accelerated.

I hope that this clarifies the situation.


and


I also wish to clarify what is meant by Account Balance "Old Debt". There will be two Balances in your "Earning Stats" area. One will be your real-time earnings, i.e. the money earned from reading emails and clicking links, PTCs etc. This balance will be set to zero when the "Old Debt" is set aside and frozen. Any new earnings will be cashable or redeemable for ads as is the norm in any program. The other "Old Debt" balance will be the amount owed to you by the Program before I took over. This 2nd balance will be gradually reduced as you are paid the money owed or if you decide to redeem for advertising and other opportunities. The "frozen" monies that are owed to you will include any cashout redemptions that were automatically deducted when you made that redemption. In other words the deduction will be rolled back. For example, if you have an account balance now of $150.00 and a Cash Debit shown "-$75.00 Payout for FREE Members, after the rollback you will have a balance of $225.00. This $225.00 is the "Old Debt" and it is this that will be set aside. It will not be taken away from you. It does not go into my pocket, it is yours. It will be paid to you, albeit slowly, as funds are generated.


If you had choosen this option, not so much would have changed for you untill the site finally died because of all the bad publicity when people were trying to safe the program.

If you had choosen that option you could be complaining about not getting your money from AprilGold now the site closed down. But I guess you did not choose that option. And I doubt many did. Still it was a choice you could make and would not have changed much for you.

So the members choosing to go to AprilsGoldenAds CHOOSE themselves to have their earnings transfered to there. So do not complain afterwards. Or complain in the AprilGold thread about what happened back than. But that has been many months ago so a bit late to keep on complaining.

Now can we stop attacking Georgina in this thread for what April did and talk about April in the AprilGold thread ? Because especially the thread title has nothing to do with any reality.

[Dawn Michelle]

Aprilgold didn't die from bad publicity it was getting. It died because there was no money to pay all the members. And I agree its not fair to the members of any program for the program owner to just give their site away when they owe thousands of dollars. In my opinion April got off scot free not
having to pay what she owed. If it doesn't work, walk away or just give the program to someone else.

[AnI4AnI]

It all boils down to the extreme minority opted to transfer their earnings to a sister site of Aprils set up to decrease debt, so a few members could redeem for advertising. The majority got the shaft because there WAS no option to "get paid immediately."

This isn't about those few members who chose to transfer earnings. It's about setting precedents, demanding accountability and not settling for sneaky, underhanded maneuvers. It's about sending messages to those who would follow in her footsteps that there are limits to how much we will tolerate. It's about the lies, the promises, the deception.

Again, if Georgiana wanted so badly to open an "Ads-Only" site then why did she sidle up to April and take over this site? It was a poor business decision on her part. As far as most people are concerned, "saving" a site means paying the debt, not thinking up ways to manipulate the numbers.

If a member wanted so badly to redeem for advertising, why even open another site? Why not just redeem at the original one. The "Ads-Only" site served no good purpose. It was nothing more than a diversion tactic and it's existence never addressed the real issues of actual site debt other than to break contract laws by reneging on obligations.

Fortunately for me, several people in this thread seem to be providing some of the most perfect examples of the points I covered in my latest article, "GPT Fraud - Are You An Enabler?"

[mlev]

a small note for everyone.

blaiming Georgina for April's action isn't right.
guilt by association is in the perception.

But since her relation with April in this matter, and since all is in the appearance in this business, she most certainly had not made the best choice until now.
Georgina's decision to accept a site from April was wrong.
That does not make Georgina a crook, just maybe seems a little lazy for getting a member database for free. Even if she had all the best of intentions instead.

So at the end, each of you is a little wrong somehow, also right.
We choose to like / trust on the net based on the flimsiest factor.
At the end, most of you all want the same thing, just rely on your "guts" differently.

Close the book, move on.
If you would have clicked as much as arguing in this thread, you would all be a bit richer $, instead of poorer (emotions)

[isnake]

Although I do not see so much wrong with taking over a reasonably good site without debts from an other program owner I can agree with the remainder of your post. Some wise words said there...

[freecashspace]

Although I do not see so much wrong with taking over a reasonably good site without debts from an other program owner I can agree with the remainder of your post. Some wise words said there...I think one of the key issues, at least as far as this thread goes, is whether or not the owner selling or giving away the program is a known scammer.

Cheers,

Wil

[isnake]

I think one of the key issues, at least as far as this thread goes, is whether or not the owner selling or giving away the program is a known scammer.

Cheers,

Wil
Definition of scammer - WordReference.com Dictionary:
Scammer: a person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud

I do not think that this was happening. I was a member of AprilsGoldgetpaid2reademail too. Had a nice amount of money in there.

Someone who tries to set up a good business but fails at that is not automatically a scammer. And I don't see a problem with taking over a business of someone who somehow wasn't able to run it well herself.

[AnI4AnI]

That's a common misconception, isnake and one which many POs would love us all to swallow. How convenient for them that some people eat those things right up, though.

Sorry, but anyone who opens a site and begins to get behind yet does absolutely nothing to resolve the situation and only allows it to get to the point of serious debt, over a great many weeks and months, has shown intent to scam, swindle and defraud....and an illegal randomizer isn't a responsible attempt to clear debts, either. Nor are lotteries, asking for donations, forced searches, getting helpers to pacify the memberbase via forum announcements and public ridicule of protesters, etc. None of those actions indicate the program owner being able to take responsibility.

Either close the sign-up page and go get a normal job to pay your members or file bankrupcy. Anything less is intent to defraud.

[freecashspace]

Someone who tries to set up a good business but fails at that is not automatically a scammer.
True. Most people that set up a business will fail. I've done it myself. I'd even be willing to say that people like April, who set up a business in a way that's guaranteed to fail, aren't necessarily scammers.

But when they lie, like April did. When they continuously make promises and then not honor them, like April did. When they do everything they can to silence the people who are explaining why their business model ain't gonna work, like April did. When they do a runner, or throw away their doomed PTR like a hot potato, or any of the other cute little tricks POs have come up with over the last few years to avoid taking responsibility for their failure, then I think it's fair to call them a scammer.

Just because a business fails, that doesn't mean the owner isn't responsible for their debts. Many people close their businesses and pay off their debts. Others eliminate their debt legally through bankruptcy. Scammers don't bother with either of these options...they just don't pay.

Cheers,

Wil

[AnI4AnI]

And just because someone gets away with it (for now, at least) it doesn't mean it's legal. Due to the statute of limitations, it's sort of imperative we don't sit too long to file these complaints.

[isnake]

Still, the thread for april is somewhere else in this forum.
Taking over a site without problems should be no problem.
And since you say that a lot of people believe that it is not .... than that also means that the person in question is not a "known" scammer.

Still I think it is no good to attack this program about it.
Since this program hasn't done anything wrong and hasn't gone wrong.
Go complain about April in the April Gold thread please.

[freecashspace]

Based on some of the info that's been provided in this thread, it sounds to me like the site did have some problems. The main problem of course being that it was owned by a lying scammer, but nevermind that.

There would also have been problems caused by the transfer of debt from AprilGold's to the ads-only program. Even a 'monopoly money' debt' creates problems for an ads-only program. But that's not why this thread was started to discuss adding it to the Watch List and Boycott List. But the reasons given for why this thread was started were pretty good ones. Some people obviously disagree, but that's no reason to try to stop the discussion.

Cheers,

Wil

[isnake]

The reasons named in the start of the thread have been taken away.
At least the reasons left are not worse than what the thread starter has done himself in the past.

The site is a new site.
And the privacy matter he himself committed seems as bad as of the one he is accusing it off...

So I do not see any reason to continue this matter.

Time to put a big point behind this and let it be.

.

[AnI4AnI]

isnake, some of the issues aren't that easy to just "let it be."

For instance, you seem to be saying we should turn a blind eye to the transfer of sites, even when a site might not have any debt to speak of but where an irresponsible scammer initially created it, as long as the new owner doesn't have a bad reputation.

Sorry, but we can't afford to ignore these trends, nor should we be expected to encourage them.

I think many people would be happy to have had the entire thing handled differently, at which point we could have supported this Georgiana person much more. The fact is, when shady, sneaky, underhanded things occur, people have a right to be suspicious and to warn others about the potential for further exploitation. With some program owners, it isn't enough that they rob people the first time around, they have to hand over their site's database to someone else who has no misgivings whatsoever about re-victimizing members again by forcing searches onto them using their earnings as psychological bargaining tools.

I'm happy to see our defense mechanisms working. This is how it should be, otherwise we are sheep being led to slaughter.

[freebiesite]

The reasons named in the start of the thread have been taken away.
At least the reasons left are not worse than what the thread starter has done himself in the past.

The site is a new site.
And the privacy matter he himself committed seems as bad as of the one he is accusing it off...

So I do not see any reason to continue this matter.

Time to put a big point behind this and let it be.

.


frankly the facts have been presented...the major objection here is that by taking over the site, changing the name etc..april gold runs "free and clear"....
and it sets a bad precedent...it makes sites more "unaccountable"..
it lets other opportunists grab up failed programs under the phoney guise of "just helping the members">> that never works...do the math

and worst of all? It lets the original owner,who racked up the debt..off the hook

the debt that was transferred, etc...all gone....april had a corporation, the whole thing was shaky....georgina was her helper, supporter..

in a case like this georgina is now doing the right thing...letting april's site die...as it should have...leaving april with the problem

since her new site is starting fresh I don't see a reason to boycott it , I do feel any site april ever owned should be boycotted

taking over a site with a reputation like that is just unacceptable..

your continued jabs and attacks at me are ridiculous..

since you want to talk about me?? I have now paid out over $24,000 since sept 2004...there are NOT many sites that can say the same, especially not small/medium size sites like mine

I never took over a failed, bloated debt ridden monster site like aprils, annies, misty and sams...there is NO way they will ever work ..do the math

I am getting sick of your continued attacks at me tho isnake...and I am wondering why you are keeping this up??

[Jaikula]

The offer to members to keep their upgrades is NO different then when Zombie Master offered people in his signature "Scammed by April-have a screen shot pm me? and he was offering people who had not gotten payment something over at ZombiePTR.

Tiff

Since I only just found this when I was doing a search for ZombiePTR I thought I would make a comment to it.

In a way you are correct Tiff, HOWEVER, I also had the option there for those earnings to be redeemed at a later date for Gift Certificates, yes something of MONETARY value. Unlike April who was offering it JUST for advertising.

Even though I have now closed ZombiePTR due to RL commitments I still havent taken anything away from those with the April Credit. Unfortuantly though the option for gift certificates arent available within SkamPTR, but those who did open an account within SkamPTR have had it transfered over as a $0 credit to their account showing the amount they have within the transaction details for advertising within SkamPTR. I however still havent gone into full details with the members that have it there as to what they can and cant do with it, so I wont be going into detail here about it.