Date Boycotted: 19-03-2007 URL: http://www.bgpaymail.com
BGPayMail is a paid e-mail program with over 9,000 members at the time of writing. The site promises between 2 and 10 cents per e-mail read, and a $3.00 payout (screenshot). The site also promises a number of bonuses for members, paid "at the sole discretion of the webmaster", as well as a bonus for each referral gained.
This site is boycotted for a number of reasons. The first reason, as detailed by our complaints below, is that the site is not complying with its Terms of Service and Privacy Policy (Terms Screenshot | Privacy Policy Screenshot). The terms require the site to pay eligible members within 30 days, "or a reasonable time after", yet it appears from our complaints that these terms are not being honoured in all cases. Perhaps more worryingly, the site has in the past, as detailed by our complaints below, disclosed personal information of members to third parties in breach of its own Privacy Policy. While it may be the case that this information is disclosed in order to pay members, the Privacy Policy clearly states that "the member's contact information is used to get in touch with the member when necessary", and that "we do not distribute to third parties any personally identifiable information".
The second reason BGPayMail is a boycotted site is the lack of response to genuine support questions or comments. Indeed, our complainants note that the webmaster is unresponsive, and when queries are responded to the response is "rude" and earnings are often confiscated simply because a question is asked. This lack of professionalism is our second ground for boycott.
The third reason BGPayMail is boycotted is that complaints about the site are routinely deleted from their forum, and a "gag clause" has been enacted against the site's members. In a poorly worded "addendum to the terms" (screenshot), it is provided that BGPayMail members may not make a complaint about the site at any other online forum, including GPTBoycott, before exhausting the "facilities provided" at BGPayMail (which, as previously noted, are at best flawed). Those who disobey these restrictions "will have their account deleted". While GPTBoycott would urge members to attempt to contact a site directly before making a complaint to us, such restrictive terms of service can have no place in the get-paid industry. "Gag" clauses such as this are of questionable legal and moral validity, and therefore constitute the third ground of boycott.
The following complaints detail far more problems than those simply listed above, and so it is strongly urged that our visitors take a moment to read the complaints below. On a quick glance one can see a number of other issues which could otherwise constitute a valid basis for boycotting this site.
For the reasons above, and the complaints listed below, BGPayMail has been boycotted!
Name: annette wills Date: May 21, 2006 Comments: paying out of terms. tos say 30 days payment received 33 days. others waiting longer. http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/tinklycashcombg_pay_mail_for_searchers_-t448373.html
Name: Pam M (Merged) Date: January 31, 2007 Comments: 1) BGPayMail should be considered for Boycott for the following reasons: Allows ads for Ponzis/MLM/HYIP as evidenced here by an ad sent for 12x12 Daily: http://bgpaymail.com/forum/index.php?s=9303b9d3a94258555801ff6c6e8a7ca1&showtopic=1125&st=1081 Disrespects members' privacy by permitting another member to post private information: http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15225&page=40&post=#589 Has been using PayPal as a payment option even though BGPayMail's account is no longer active as from/on June 3, 2006: http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15225&post=#5 The member who was paid through PayPal on June 10, 2006 has indicated that his payment had been made by an intermediary account. Clearly the member was not asked for permission to give his personal information to another. http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15225&page=40&post=#592 On August 31, 2006 the WM responded to a non-receipt of payment question by advising the member had been paid through PayPal on August 12, 2006 although the WM's exisiting PayPal account would still have been under suspension/frozen. http://bgpaymail.com/forum/index.php?s=bd1e348a4ad6f35dcd28e93352e0ae0f&showtopic=2028 Rude and unprofessional notes in emails as shown here: http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11724&post=#13 with special attention being paid to the ending. "No one will ever ask You to do anything, even to scratch Yourself or swat the fly sitting on Your nose, if You can see that far, that is.In case it does not affects You, please just ignore and delete. Without fear or favour or apology." This program needs to be boycotted A.S.A.P. Thank you.
2) BGPayMail does NOT permit it's members to freely discuss the program without fear of losing their membership, as evidenced here: http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showpost.php?p=79344&postcount=1132. This member's account was deleted at the BGPM Forum because the Admin (halexzo) did not approve of the member's conduct at the GPTBoycott forum. The same member's program account was also suspended, around the same time, although the reason(s) were not given.
Name: Peter Barnes Date: February 1, 2007 Comments: The general abusive attitude of the members in the forum and of the owner himself when people ask for help is beyond bad. Members are "charged" for what may be simple mistakes and then ridiculed when they ask why. Yes they should read the rules but the rules change (sometimes without warning or notification) and the gibberish that is being used to justify actions is unconscionable. "Representatives" of the owner are allowed to humiliate and abuse other members and it has been proven that personal information in the form of paypal e-mail accounts has been given out by the owner to other members so that payments can be made. This is done because the owner's own account was locked by paypal but of course it's always paypal's fault since the owner did nothing. The defense of the program by it's supporters uses the age old excuse "He pays" which implies that money can buy anything including the integrity of some people.
Name: Sarah S Date: February 1, 2007 Comments: I think Bgpaymail should be boycotted because,
#1 Owner gives bonus's to members that do searches.....sent out email that told us the search winners.... so promotes clickfraud.
#2 Sends ads for illegal ponzi's and other illegal sites and banners for same on BG site.
#3 Members deleted for discussing progam at other forums. Doesnt matter if they didnt do it as to the rules of BG. Rules of the forum that they are doing it at are the rules that apply.
#4 Breaking paypals rules by paying members using another persons paypal account .... this could put members paypal accounts at risk if paypal finds out.
#5 Program representatives showed lack of manners and respect for others while in your forum. Also questioned the administrative integrity of your forum and site in a blatent attempt to destroy its reputation.
#6 A new rule was added to BG forum Feb 1, 2007 saying members will be punished if they dont follow BGs rules in other forums.
BGpaymail needs to be boycotted immediately! Thank you.
Name: Larry Elwood Date: February 2, 2007 Comments: program promotes click fraud,recently enacted clause in forum and now possibly program preventing members from going outside of program and forum to lodge complaints,violation of pp user policy and continued violation by paying members to pay other members for work done in BGpaymail and personal attacks by so called representatives to people in the forum and against GPTBoycott itself.
Name: Joseph Burke Date: February 4, 2007 Comments: PO is general rude or unresponsive to questions, comments, complaints. Removes posts from forum and deletes members, confiscates earnings for any or no reason. Runs his site like a dictator. Rewards boosters of the site with additional earnings and penalizes those who do not have good things to say.
Name: Cindi Frame Date: February 6, 2007 Comments: http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showpost.php?p=79378&postcount=1164
This is a link to where I commented on the admin of the program's forum admitting that I was deleted for speaking out about this program here at this forum. Members have been paid late. I was not one of them, but I was paid out of turn, without requesting payout, while others sat waiting and asking where their money was. The PO of this program incentivizes searches with monetary rewards for sending in the results from valid searches. (Screenshot included shows the 42 cent reward that I was paid for doing this) This PO is also extremely unprofessional, and allows his "representatives" to be unprofessional and rude as well. He frequently does not answer support emails or support questions in his forum, and when he does, is often rude without giving a straight answer. This PO also has a very restrictive "gag-clause" and deletes members from the program for bringing any concerns or problems to other arenas. This was done to me. He has deleted others by mistake, been caught making the mistake, kept the ex-member's money, and refused to rectify the situation. This PO sends reprimands, via paid emails to the entire member base, directed at individual members whom he is unhappy with. He has shared numerous members private info with random members of his program without the consent of the members who had their info distributed. This includes giving payout and processor information to random members to make Paypal payments for him after his Paypal account was frozen. He does not check links that are sent out in paid emails, and MANY of the links have been found to be flooded with 0-Iframes and viruses. This PO makes groundless threats of legal action, through his "leagle eagles", against anyone who offers criticism of his program. The forum administrator is allowed to invisibly edit posts at the forum, and the PO deletes any concerns, questions, or problems that are mentioned in his forum. Altogether, this is a badly run operation and any potential members should be strongly advised to steer clear of this abusive PO and his poorly run program. No one should be treated the way this PO treats people.
Name: Ian Henderson (Merged) Date: February 7, 2007 Comments: 1) payment out of terms. i have now been waiting 32 days for payment on this site. this is the second payment that i have problems with the last one took about 5 weeks.
>2)My complaint is that this po has given my personal information to 2 different members on different ocassions without first gaining my permission. Details to be found here in the thread about bgpaymail.
Name: David Barstow Date: February 10, 2007 Comments: This guy may be a great payer (wouldn't know since I haven't been paid) but he treats most of us members like crap. He sends out something he calls "Gibberish" but in reality it's slams against members who speak up. He pays some "without asking" - usually the same some over and over - while the rest of us wait and earn for him but never see a dime. If you complain on his forum, you are ridiculed and banned especially if you don't behave like a good little member and stop complaining immediately.
Name: anon Date: February 11, 2007 Comments: The PO gave my email addy to some one else to pay me without asking me first .( had changed my Payment info to egold due to the PO losong his PP).
Wrote him several about some questions I had but never got an answer.
Name: Steven Watts Date: February 12, 2007 Comments: Having read the topic in this forum, I find myself wondering why some people get paid almost on a regular basis when they don't even request payout while people like me have to wait usually far longer than we should. The program owner obviously pays his "favorites" first and if a complaint is posted on their forum it mysteriously "disappears". Unless and until the PO starts paying in order of request and THEN makes unrequested payouts this program should be boycotted.
Name: Justin Date: February 12, 2007 Comments: Why would any PO allow his forum to be run by the type of people running the BG Pay Mail forum? It reflects badly on the program and the owner himself. The way they treat people should not be allowed and if the owner isn't responsible than he should be. I've quit this program because of the lack of help or even decent responses on the forum. Owners who provide forums should take an active part in what is done on them. It's part of what being a "professional" is all about.
Name: Tanya Suelzle Date: February 14, 2007 Comments: Copy of my GPTBoycott forum post that lists my complaint.
I've been following these debates about BGPM from the moment they were first started, 9 months ago? Until now all the constant bickering instead of frank discussion put me off from making my own comments, or a complaint. The more this goes on, however, and the more things that are coming into light, like the gag clause and the sudden influx of BGPM supporters where there was deafening silence before, has finally goaded me into action
"I am a little baffled here. I was a member of this site, and when I take into account the number of emails I received in about a year, resulting in a couple of payouts, I cannot fathom the amounts some of these members are claiming they received.
I will admit I thought the gibberish was a game until I realized, it was meant to encourage members to do something with the search emails that were sent. But even taking into account, the successful deciphering of those messages, I still can't fathom the amounts claimed.
Can someone please explain. My curiosity is piqued.
This post is not meant as a put down at all. I'm just curious."
This baffles me too, I also was a member until late last year but ended up unsubbing because getting a single paid non-search e-mail once a fortnight was just not worth it. 2 cents a fortnight...?
I didn't do searches at all, in any program, until I found a couple of programs recently that clearly state on most pages that searches will be paid for as a regular viewed e-mail regardless of whether I actually search or not. I never did searches in BGPM and since I come from New Zealand (apparently not a Tier 1 country all of a sudden even though our close neighbour Australia is, go figure...) regular e-mails were few and far between. And unfortunately still are on most sites, hence my having to find some searches to do just to get at least 1 cent a day.
I can't remember exactly how long I was with BGPM, a year and a half maybe, give or take a month or so, and in that time I only managed to reach payout once, and received it with no problem at all, though it did take months to reach it (because of no searches). I also remember that payout was received just after Bill's PayPal account was frozen, paid to my PayPal account by someone who was not Bill. When I finally unsubbed I was still nowhere near the payout amount after more months of very, very few regular e-mails.
Another reason I quit was because I found Bill's, again, very, very few responses to genuine complaints on the BGPM forum downright rude and far from helpful. Lucky I never had reason to contact Bill in any way, I believe from observation that I probably would've been abused too. I didn't really take much notice of his rants in the e-mails, many PO's do that, usually the more unscrupulous ones though.
I believe BGPM should be boycotted and the longer this goes on the more other forum lurkers, like me, who have been sitting on the fence and reading all this will eventually make up their minds as the supporters of BGPM continually add more fuel to the complaints. It truly is more because of what they have inadvertantly revealed that helped me make up my mind. Good on ya, guys.
Tandall
Name: Deborah Walley Date: February 15, 2007 Comments: bill refuses to use paypal but still manages to make payments through paypal
bill gives members info to other members
bill gives even more info to even more members
bill does not pay all his debts
bill deletes or suspends members that complain
bill sends what appears to be abusive mails to his member base if things don't go the way he likes
bill refuses to follow the rules the rest of us are expected to follow, but demands that everyone follow all of his very vague and unfair rules.
bill won't even address a members complaint, he sends his representatives to deal with the problems and they always make the situation worse.
bill ands his reps are very rude to anyone who does not agree with them, they lie, twist facts, reveal personal info about people they are angry with.
Name: Cathy Williams Date: February 18, 2007 Comments: This program owner threatens people on his forum. He basically says if you don't do what he wants, he'll get even. The most recent was a "request" from "Bill" to a member of another forum to delete all posts about him on the second forum or he would continue to harrass the person on his forum with his silly gibberish filled posts.
That is hardly a mark of a responsible "businessman." If he posts that kind of insulting stuff on his forum and in e-mails he sends, something should be done.
Name: Robert Nandal Date: February 19, 2007 Comments: This PO and his representatives show a total lack of professionalism.Treat anyone who disagrees with deleteion of their account and bashing in this forum. This is uncalled for and this PO and site need to be boycotted ASAP. Also for using other peoples Paypal accounts to pay members when his is frozen for violating of PayPal's AUP.
Name: siobahn Date: February 19, 2007 Comments: The owner is rude and immature and makes a lot of bad rules to say he will delete members if they complain or ask questioins at other forums.
He pays his favorite members with no request and pays other members late. And when he pays late he always try to blame it on lame excuses. Too many double standardss with this site it needs to be boycottted.
Name: Winifred Date: February 20, 2007 Comments: BGPAYMAIL should be boycotted because the P.O. HAS LOST HIS MARBLES!! Visit the forum and check the posts made by *admin*
http://bgpaymail.com/forum/index.php?&showtopic=2483&st=182
On top of that: 1) Sends out ads for Ponzis, HYIPs and various other scams. 2) Gives members information to others to post on forums. 3) Uses another admin's PP account to pay members as his was frozen in June 2006 (He now refuses to do business with PP. funny haha!).
4) Has added GAG RULES to the TOS and forum.
5) Official representatives are rude and do not present themselves well.
People need to be warned about this FOOL/his cohorts and boycotting BGPAYMAIL is one way to let them know the program has MANY bad issues.
Name: KiowaT Date: February 21, 2007 Comments: Insults and threats from the so called "businessman" and his entourage of "skirts" for daring to ask for assistance on his forum are much more common than any helpful response. Posts are deleted and members are suspended or even banned for complaining about things that do NOT get fixed. His "gibberish" is used to insult people in e-mails to the entire membership and he DOES NOT PAY as he says he will. Some members are paid repeatedly (like Halexo who's been paid 38 times according to her) while others of us have to wait and wait to get TO payment and then wait even longer TO be paid. On top of that he's making payments to people who didn't even REQUEST it while those of us who DID request are not.
I'm glad I quit this program with only a measly 2.00 in my account. It took me two years to get there and I am sure I'd never be one of the "lucky" few who got paid randomly. It took me almost 2 months to get paid the last time with NONE of the promised interest he swears he will pay.
Name: Wil Date: February 22, 2007 Comments: Here are my complaints about BGPayMail, its owner, Bill Gazo:
1. BGPayMail sends ads for ponzi scams, as well as Adsense scammers, and is involved in search engine click fraud by providing bonuses (incentives) to members who provide him with evidence of their complete searches.
2. Bill has threatened to delete members who say things about BGPayMail that he doesn't like. In a number of cases, including my own, he has suspended or deleted members accounts for these reasons. BGPayMail has a rule in its Terms of Service that says any member who posts a complaint about BGPayMail on any forum other than the BGPayMail forum, will have their account deleted and will lose their earnings.
3. Bill has also threatened to take legal action against people, myself included, who post complaints or criticisms about either himself or about BGPayMail, as well as making a number of unsubstantiated accusations against them.
4. While Bill, his representatives, and a few of his supporters demand proof of the criticisms, observations, and accusations made regarding BGPayMail, Bill has threatened legal action against anyone who uses information from the BGPayMail website to offer as evidence. It it is clear from these sorts of threats that Bill has very limited knowlege of the laws regarding either defamation or copyright, and is using these threats as a form of intimidation to silence those who say things he doesn't like.
5. Bill, either personally or through his representatives, violated the privacy of several members. These violations include posting members' account information, including earnings amounts, payment dates, etc. He has also posted members' personal details, including place of residence.
6. Bill violates members' privacy by giving their email addresses to at least one other member (possibly others) so that the member can make payments via Paypal on Bill's behalf, due to his Paypal account being frozen.
7. While there are innumerable examples of Bill's immature, unethical, and unprofessional behaviour towards both his members and members of the GPT community in general (essentially, anybody who says anything he doesn't like), some of the most recent examples have been posted in a single threat at the BGPayMail forum: http://bgpaymail.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2483
Name: Halo Date: March 5, 2007 Comments: I had been waiting for 3 weeks for my payment from this program. Normally it wouldn't be a problem except I was seeing a lot of people posting that they got paid sometimes 2 and 3 times in that same few weeks. Considering it took me over a year to get to 3.00 I wonder how that can happen. I asked on the forum and the post was deleted almost immediately. But not before I was told by several people that I had no right to ask because he was "still within terms" and that I was too stupid to be paid if I didn't know the difference between 3 weeks and 30 days. I e-mailed the owner and he deducted .50 from my account for asking a question that could have been answered on the forum. No response to my e-mail just a deduction and a "warning" note on my account. Now I'm not at payout anymore so my request was deleted too. The owner lets his pet members be rude and cruel on the forum and doesn't care about those of us who were working hard for him. I ended up quitting because I know I'll never get paid.
Name: Massimo Date: March 25, 2007 Comments: I request my payment but webmaster deduct mt 0.50 and don't pay me, scam
Name: Daniel Gombos Date: July 3, 2007 Comments: I Requested payment, but They pay only when I get 3 dollars from e-mail readings, not from signups. The problem is that they send me 0 cent e-mails, nobody can get 3 dollars from e-mail readings on this site!
Name: Anneke Date: July 14, 2007 Comments: I was, well still am a suspended member of bgpaymail. I was suspended beginning of april 2007 and I assumed that after a month my account would be deleted for inactivity .To my surprise after 2 months I received a paid mail from BGPay and realised that my account was not deleted .
So I went to their forum and told that I was not happy that I wasn't deleted and That I considered further mailings as Spam and asked for the deletion of my account . This was the reply I got Quote:"On behalf of Bill
Ms Anneke, or ANY of the IDIOTS club
at the Fraud Ring Circus Get-Paid-To-Boycott and Brag is a LIAR the same as Cindi (N0 salutations:)).
THERE's NO WAY that ANY of them did receive ANY communication from BGPayMail. And she will stay SUSPENDED for posterity.
They are records that will be used as and when needed.
Let her show ALL OF THE HEADER , and GO complain to ICANN,
because I CERTAINLY will.
And yes, she is a confirmed Liar and too is in need of some medical help.
NO more answers to her posts or questions will be given."
So after months of inactivity I was not as per ToS deleted , but my personal info is held hostage and could be used as the PO sees fit .He already plastered usernames linked to real names in emails sent out to members and on his forum .
I am not at all pleased or comfortable with this PO holding on to my Info and would like to warn every one that not agreeing with this po or his representatives could result in a vendictive forumpost/email to all with your username linked to yor real name .
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